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NFL Hot Button Topic of the week - NFL - ESPN
Which ex-Giant would you sign, Plaxico Burress or Tiki Barber?

Going to the videotape aids Eagles' draft decisions | Philadelphia Inquirer | 07/05/2011
Howie Roseman talks about his method of player evaluation.

First-round pick for Kolb? Think twice, Seahawks - NFL - CBSSports.com Football
Given his youth and promise, Kolb might well be worth a first-round choice when the lockout ends and the trade moratorium is lifted. But projecting a quarterback with such a limited body of work is tricky business. And if history is an indication, the Seahawks, of any other team interested, probably can't be sure the price is right.

McNabb May Only Fetch A 6th Or 7th Rounder - The Washington Post
If the Redskins move Donovan McNabb a minute after a new collective bargaining agreement is formally implemented or wait until the day after their first regular season game — the option deadline — it would still be surprising if any team offered more than a sixth- or conditional seventh-round pick for him. Shanahan needs to let McNabb move on at any price.

The Lockout Will Not Stop Tony Romo And Troy Aikman From Having A Spirited Game Of Beach Football
Yeah, also, Sean Payton's there, in the yellow shirt. Bobby Carpenter's the dude in the giant blue shorts. Stop slobbering, Cowboy fans. We can see you over there.

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Safe Ride Advocate Neal Busted For DUI - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN
Four-time Pro Bowl fullback Lorenzo Neal, who now works for a drunk driving prevention program, was arrested for DUI after veering off the road and crashing his truck into a pole in Fresno, Calif., local station KFSN-TV reported Tuesday.



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The Seahawks article is pretty dumb.

This just a year after dealing a third-round pick to San Diego, and switching second-rounders (a difference of 20 slots), for career backup Charlie Whitehurst, who had never started a game in his four seasons with the Chargers but still got a two-year, $8 million contract from the Seahawks. The seeming mistake with Whitehurst — who, despite starting just two games in 2010, still has a few supporters in the Seattle front office — might be rectified if a Kolb deal is completed.

If the Whitehurst trade seemingly didn’t work out, shouldn’t that be a reason to get the best available QB on the market? Also, how can their FO have more faith in Whitehurst than Kolb, when they keep mentioning a small body of work…seems a bit hypocritical since Kolb has a much larger body of work than Whitehurst.

Still, a first-rounder is a steep price.

Really Seattle? This is a team that has drafted these guys in the first round:
2000 Chris McIntosh: BUST
2001 Koren Robinson : Not worth 9th overall. Not a bust but nothing to write home about
2001 Steven Hutchinson : All-pro guard in his prime
2002 Jeremy Steven: BUST (although he caught the only TD in the Super Bowl against the Steelers)
2003 Marcus Trufant: Above average corner
2004 Marcus Tubbs: BUST
2005 Chris Spencer: BUST
2006 Kelly Jennings: BUST
2008 Lawrence Jackson: BUST
2009 Aaron Curry: BUST
2010 Russell Okung: Not worth the 6th pick, a bit overrated.
2010 Earl Thomas: Okay, we’ll give you that one.
2011 James Carpenter: To early, I personally don’t think he’ll be a star.

So that’s what? 4 for 13 in successful first round picks?
Unless they are planning to get Barkley, Luck, or Landry Jones, there reasons for not getting Kolb are pretty dumb.

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by immynimmy on Jul 6, 2011 6:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't think Kelly Jennings is a bust.

I think he’s a solid player.. I also don’t believe Curry hasn’t been given enough time yet.. Okung’s only had 1 year and was a great OT prospect coming out he was every bit worth the #6

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jul 6, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kelly Jennings for where he was picked is a Bust in my book. He’s an adequate starter at best. Struggles against big receivers, not physical, not quick or fast, and he’s pretty small which certainly doesn’t help things. At this point of his career he should be a back up and he was drafted in the 1st round only 4 years ago.

I doubt Curry is going to get any better. He’s basically a less athletic/physical/aggressive ernie sims. No instincts, not football IQ. That was his biggest knock coming out of school.

And I guess I’ll give Okung the benefit of the doubt.

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by immynimmy on Jul 6, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jennings in producing so I wouldn’t call him a bust.

Curry’s going to be fine.

And yeah 1 year? You can’t be blasting him for 1 year lol.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jul 6, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve got to disagree on Okung. He was the best tackle in the draft and the Skins only took Trent Williams first because he ran a good 40 at the combine. But I’m with you on Carpenter. I know you can’t really judge a draft before any of these guys get on the field but I think they dropped the ball this year.

Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to Vicktory!

by KeepSwinging on Jul 6, 2011 11:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Williams

was more athletic, Okung was more of a mauler.. Both were about tied.

Also yes, they may have dropped the ball Carpenter, he’s a good OLman with upside, but not a 1st round guy.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jul 6, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okung would have been the 2nd overall pick if he was in the draft a year earlier. 2010 was a very good draft, Bradford, Suh, McCoy, and Berry were considered to be franchise players. Williams was drafted first because he was a better fit for Shanahan’s zone blocking scheme.

by Noble Psychopath on Jul 6, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly lol.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jul 6, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa

a little early to be pulling the plug on Curry

by DLawrence55 on Jul 6, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Koren Robinson was a bust. He was good his 2nd year, but other than that his career as a whole wouldn’t be considered a success even for a 2nd rounder. You are too hard on Curry. The guy had 73 tackles and 4 sacks as a SAM. I don’t have advanced stats and I didn’t watch many of his games, so maybe I’m not the best judge.

by Noble Psychopath on Jul 6, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Koren was most certainly a bust

You are right, the guy had a couple okay seasons — late in his career in Green Bay he was good too, but him and David Terrell … well just see for yourself.

2001 NFL Draft
8 Chicago Bears David Terrell Wide Receiver Michigan
9 Seattle Seahawks Koren Robinson Wide Receiver North Carolina State
15 Washington Redskins Rod Gardner Wide Receiver Clemson
16 New York Jets Santana Moss Wide Receiver Miami (FL)
25 Philadelphia Eagles Freddie Mitchell Wide Receiver UCLA
30 Indianapolis Colts Reggie Wayne Wide Receiver Miami (FL)
33 Cleveland Browns Quincy Morgan Wide Receiver Kansas State
36 Cincinnati Bengals Chad Johnson Wide Receiver Oregon State
41 Green Bay Packers Robert Ferguson Wide Receiver Texas A&M
52 Miami Dolphins Chris Chambers Wide Receiver Wisconsin
74 Carolina Panthers Steve Smith Wide Receiver Utah

Ouch.

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by D3Keith on Jul 8, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The ex-Giants article

I think it has been said, but I’ll repeat it… ahem… “This lockout needs to end, if this qualifies as news”.

by brisulph on Jul 6, 2011 8:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Did anyone see on csn that Derrick Gunn thinks it’s a “given” that Jason Babin returns? I think Babin has made it clear that coming back isn’t his 1st choice & with the way Howie is I think he’d go for someone younger that has more upside that is already better like Charles Johnson

by The Legend on Jul 6, 2011 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

When does the game drop? I usually wait a week or two to pick up NCAA so someone has time to upload the rosters.

Given all that, hell yeah, I’m game. XBL or PSN?

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by El Donkerino on Jul 6, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Drops next Tuesday :P

Was gonna see if anyone was interested in a BGN dynasty :P

And I’ll be on 360

by The Fish on Jul 6, 2011 11:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If It's PSN I may join you.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jul 6, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

PSN lol

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 6, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

lulzsec lol
dedicated servers lol
constant netflix problems lol

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 6, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

nicely done Ogre

I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jul 6, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe it’s obligatory.

by DonnyD on Jul 6, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

None of those impact or impacted me. How’s your HD DVD collection?

by SuburbanElite on Jul 6, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait...

Is this really on the verge of turning into a fan-boy flame war?

Let the beasting begin.

by TransplantedFan on Jul 6, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plax vs. Tiki

I expect Plax to make a better contribution to a squad rather than Tiki. Plax can be used to go over the top of his defender and is a much better redzone threat. Plus Tiki is an asshole,Plax is just a clumbsy gun slinger.

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by Dunta Is A PUNK on Jul 6, 2011 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I am so fucking sick of this goddamn lock out.

by Jason-E on Jul 6, 2011 5:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Tiki vs Plax?

is that even a real debate?

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by theaction on Jul 6, 2011 7:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

McNabb

I can’t beleive how f-ed up his situation is. At least he’ll be leaving Shanahan’s influence. I’m still rooting for the guy.

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by IggleGreen on Jul 6, 2011 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Plax is far more likely to succeed than Tiki come on now

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by Djax10 on Jul 6, 2011 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

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