Ellis Hobbs Interesting Comments About Sean McDermott And Safety
by JasonB on Jul 4, 2011 1:47 PM EDT
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Former Eagle Dorsey Levens produced a new documentary on concussions called "Bell Rung." In it, one of the players he speaks with another former Eagle, Ellis Hobbs, who seems to have had his career ended by a neck injury (he was going to retire, but now maybe not?).
The most interesting thing he had to say though was what former Eagles defensive coordinator Sean McDermott told his team after they were shown the NFL's concussion safety video last year.
"Not 10 minutes after that film, we went into the defensive meeting and the D coordinator [Sean McDermott] got up and said, ‘Nothing changes about us. Nothing changes in your guys’ mentality,’"
But Hobbs continued,
"I mean, we all knew that anyway because we want jobs. I don’t really see anybody with a job who can’t tackle."
Now, outlets like PFT has have expressed some disdain for McDermott essentially telling his team to disregard the safety video (at least that's how it seems from the Hobbs quote). But what Hobbs said afterward really is the issue as I see it. It hasn't really been ok to hit a guy in the head for years. Players as a rule, don't intend to hit a guy in the head, they don't want to give guys concussions. It just happens. They're just trying to bring the other guy down.
So when McDermott says "nothing changes," what is there to argue with that? No player is taught to tackle by launching themselves into an opponents head. Not only is that dangerous, it's an inefficient way of tackling. Just watch Asante Samuel try to tackle someone by flinging his body at them. It generally doesn't work out well. The best tackles are when you hit a guy in the largest part of his body, wrap him up and take him down.
So unless the Eagles were instructing their players to take people's heads off, why would anything change for them?
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Yeah, I don’t see the issue. It’s not like McDermott said “Remember that video you just watched? Me neither.” He said he still wants his team to approach tackling with the same aggressive mentality, who cares?
“I don’t really see anybody with a job who can’t tackle.”
Asante Samuel must be invisible to Ellis Hobbs.
Asante can tackle,
he just doesn’t.. But last season he stepped up quite a bit.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
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Asante has always tackled players
Asante laid a lot of dumb hits last year.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
I agree with your assesment Jason
if McDermott knew that his team wasn’t a buncvh of headhunter’s, he wan’ts saying “disregard this bullshit ass video and lets go hurt some people” he was saying, “look we already have this covered, don’t change what we have been doing…and lets go hurt some people, legally” (now whether or not we needed to make some changes to defense is a different discussion). People will try to make something out of nothing every chance they get. This is nothing but promotional material for a second rate running back’s last shot at a payday. Anyway. Vote Victorino into the All-Star Game… http://atmlb.com/jgsYCW ….Let’s go!!!!!!
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
Mike Vick is a piece of shit
Honestly, I'm not worried about it, I'm not even surprised by it.
Every DC told there team the same thing. There were reports of defensive players saying “the Coaches told us to just do what we’ve been doing” in a round about way.
I’d tell my team nothing changes.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Video
They were mandated to show the video. Players aren’t going to stop and think before making a tackle. It’s human nature to stop the player running towards you.
"Running through the meadows,laughing with revolvers"- Warcloud.
I think it's very tough to ask defensive players
to play fast and hit hard but never accidentally hit someone in the head. It is fair to ask (teach) them not to lead with their own heads.
Some injuries are going to happen in football; at the same time the results mean the NFL can’t brush it off and do nothing. Players will always be resistant to change, but if the powers that be resist change, there’s no chance of the situation improving. It’s at least good that they’re making a half-hearted effort to change the style of play.
Secretary of State for BGN aka "Most diplomatic man on this site," as appointed by Talon Talent
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Its like checking from behind in hockey…..
If a player turns his back at the last second……just any football player can move or react at the last second…..its sometimes unavoidable.
LIke anything else there will always be dirty players doing it on purpose, but no one can control that. All they can do is punish them for intent…..
FLY #7 FLY !!!
In MUDD I trust !!!
I only see a problem if it was Asante’s quote saying that nothing changes. You’d have to assume that McD was coaching them the correct technique to begin.
I’m glad you reposted this story with a different light on it. I don’t get the outrage either.
I didn't even know there was outrage
This is the first I’ve heard of it.
I guess ignoring PFT for the most part is starting to pay off!
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Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
No player is taught to tackle by launching themselves into an opponents head. Not only is that dangerous, it’s an inefficient way of tackling.
That’s the message that should be (pardon the expression) drilled into the heads of players. Lead with your shoulder, not your head. Aim for the player’s bellybutton, not HIS head.
You have been banned from Big Blue View... "trolling the post game stuff at BBV is just classless and a great mark of a tool. Grow up man, enjoy your victory, but try to not reinforce every stereotype of a Philadelphia fan. Bye bye."
Lol, you’re thinking of the wrong drill. That expression doesn’t mean you take a power drill and mutilate people. You drill things into people through teaching and repetition ala an army drill.
Pretty sure he knows that man
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Jul 4, 2011 6:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Believe it or not I was taught to lead with my helmet
All D-Line & Linebackers on my team were taught to lead with our helmets, however we were told to aim for the ball. Our coach told us that he wanted us to break the fingers of the opposing HB’s & WR’s, so much so that one of our HB’s had only 2 functioning fingers on each had for most of the season from getting hit in training.
We did have to be careful though, in one game I led with my helmet face down, compressing the vertebrae in my neck and injuring our HB’s knee.
I was taught to watch the hips, lead with your helmet, but keep your eyes up. Never look down when your gunna tackle. That’s how you get the compression injuries you were talking about. Follow the hips, keep your eyes up and if you can, put your helmet on the ball. That’s what I was taught anyway.
"Get 'Em"
by FlyEagles15 on Jul 4, 2011 7:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was taught that you need to
watch the hips, when all else fails you put your shoulder right into his hips, keep your eyes on the ball at all times and put a hand or facemask on the ball each tackle…
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
this was always fun in rugby. Some people were so well trained in a football tackle of putting you facemask into the body, that they would go to instinct and really kill themselves when they forgot that we dont wear helmets. Guys were breaking their noses and jaws on poor form.
This is why I cringe at hits like Asante gives, or Dunta vs. DeJacc… it can be trained to not use the helmet, and just bend the guy in half with you shoulder. The speed will still give some ugly collisions, but more hits could look like Sheldon vs Bush ( paper bag!).. which isnt less exciting or going to ruin the game
Always put my head to the side and punched the ball because I've
always been a strong kid once I got my arms around them and my feet planted they’re either going down or not going nowhere…
Yeah I love/hate those hits.. Also when you put your shoulder right in the hip area you can sweep your hands on the back of the knees and collapse them if you can’t get them down.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
+1
always look at what your hitting. Also our athletic trainers made us read the warning labels on the helmets.
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
Oh man yeah we had to read the warnings on the helmets,
we had a concussion test before and after each season and before and after spring football…
Here in Orlando there was a stint where 3-4 athletes died from head injuries so they cracked down a lot here.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
I went to a private school (the best in the state of hawaii, also where Max Unger and Te'o went) and we have the exact same concussion program/test that the NFL uses
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
Yeah all HS's in Florida have it.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
its obvious that your coach doesnt know how to tackle and probably never played with the big kids. you can never be carefull leading with your helmet and most likely wont make a secured tackle. YOU AIM FOR THE LOWER MID SECTION AND WRAP UP THE LEGS FROM THE KNEE AREA! if your’e skilled you can rip the ball out on the way down. Someone’s dad should have whooped his ass for teaching that!
Does anybody else get the sense
That in private Sean McDermott is probably kind of an asshole?
Can’t explain it, just a feeling.
Veritas Liberabit Te
by DSmith215 on Jul 4, 2011 5:56 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
To that I would add this...
…he was one of the few assistant coaches in recent Philadelphia history (in any sport) who consistently called attention to himself with his inability to understand the basic fundamentals of the game he was coaching. He was shockingly bad at his job and I am truly surprised that it took him so long to get fired. I honestly think he got his job from some sort of outreach program with Habitat for Humanity or the Peace Corps.
"Solace these balls. They better get their guy and he better make a good impression in 2011."--mvict responding to JasonB's comparison of the Eagles to the Bengals
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
Don’t know anything about him being an asshole in private, but he was a dumbass in public.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
"To catch theme is my real test, to train them is my cause."
by Imp on Jul 4, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Leading with the helmet is a serious issue; countrecoup and spinal cord injuries should not be taken lightly.
The hard part in reducing them is fairness. Football is a fast, physical sport and its a difficult delineation between hits that are intentional and avoidable and hits that are accidental and unavoidable.
I would say though that maybe if McD took it a little more seriously last year, we might have seen a few less head on hits by some of our guys who haven’t been known to practice body tackles.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
The significance of this discussion...
…is that NFL football as we know it could ultimately be doomed. New research proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is a sport that, when played correctly, causes a certain percentage of it’s players to be debilitatingly injured for life. Occasionally players are paralyzed, rarely some die outright (usually training incidents). More and more suicides and brain damage has been attributed to this game that kill the players after they retire.
Just as lawyers feed off the greed that has created this work stoppage/lockout, so will they eventually start suing the teams for these injuries. And maybe for good reason, it’s not like the league takes care of these guys when they become drooling idiots. When the lawsuits start, the owners will have to mitigate their liability and the game will change forever. Some people on this board have used the term ’pussification."
We haven’t seen the lawsuits popping up yet, but they cannot be far off. And as such, I fear that the days are numbered for the game as we know it.
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AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
by KByars on Jul 4, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The Lawyer's cannot start suing the teams for these injuries,
when a player signs his contract it has a waiver they’re accepting that the sport can (1) Destroy their body in the long run (2) can cause issues like what you listed above and (3) can result in death.
Now the only way a team can be sued for a death is if they neglect something..
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Do you believe in the Easter Bunny too?
Did you ever meet a lawyer? Do you think that would stop them for long? No contract is inviolable. If they smell money, it’s like blood in the water. The media is serving to set this up by publishing the brain damage reports. Boxing, MMA, Football; all full contact sports are doomed.
Whoever you are, when I log off, you cease to exist.
Yours truly,
H.R.H Emperor Iggy of the Internet, forever to be known as the InterEmperor.
I don't believe in the Easter Bunny
but I damn sure know that a contract is a contract. The judge will look at any case of the sort and toss that shit right out with the trash. If you are an employee of the NFL you sure as hell know the inherent risks involved and further more when it is stated in the contract those risks and that the club and NFL are not to be held liable, those blooduscking lawyers wouldn’t have a case.
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
Mike Vick is a piece of shit
When you sign a contract they have a section that says they aren't at fault for long term issues.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
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