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DRC might just be what we need...

 Is this for real? or revisionist logic?

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A while ago, a lot of people (myself included) were clammering over DRC's terrible tackling.  While our corners would absolutely be called on for run support if we run a Tampa/Cover 2 style base D, that wasn't our main weakness in our RCB's skill sets last year, and are probably relative confident that a fundamental such as tackling can be taught to any willing player.  Is the image of Ellis Hobbs/Dimitri Patterson getting burned over the top "burned" into anyone else's memory? Kenny Britt really exposed this. He blew by Hobbs, exposing our young safeties.  PFF had this to say about that game:

    When a receiver sets the record for most receiving yardage ever against your team, it’s not a good day (especially when he only played two and a half quarters). It started with Ellis Hobbs (Britt lined up against him most of the day) who was consistently getting beat off the line, was getting thrown off when he tried to jam, and was mostly flat-footed when the ball was snapped. The
Eagles play a lot of zone so since Britt was running deep most of the time once he released off Hobbs, it was now the safety’s job.

DRC is 6'2, and although only 185, is considerably strong for his beanpole-ness (he put up 17 reps at the all-scientific benchpress at the combine) that is useful in jamming at the line, and has the quickness to make up for a mis-step in bump and run coverage.   I think this will help our safeties read and react.  If this is the case, I think this will help prevent giving up the deep play so easily. 

    Below are DRC's avg yds given up stats.  AZ play a lot of zone due to their weird zone blitz 3/4-4/3 scheme, and while we won't be following the same scheme, he will be asked to do a lot of similar things in coverage, and they show that DRC is a significant improvement over what we have (let's just assume we still have Hobbs since he's in retirement limbo and we have the option of re-signing him if he doesn't retire)

 

DRC's avg yds given up per play where his assignment was passed to):
Year Team Pos Plays Stops Dfts Yd/Play
2010 ARI CB 54 23 8 9
2009 ARI CB 68 39 20 6.9
2008 ARI CB 52 25 16 7.2
AVG 58 29 14.66667 7.7

The same stats for Dimitri

Year Team Pos Plays Stops Dfts Yd/Play
2010 PHI CB 48 22 9 8
2009 PHI CB 12 4 2 7.8
2008 KC CB 7 2 1 9
AVG 22.3 9.3 4.0 8.3

And Ellis

Year Team Pos Plays Stops Dfts Yd/Play
2010 PHI CB 15 7 2 8.3
2009 PHI CB 9 3 0 8.6
2008 NE CB 44 18 10 9
AVG 22.7 9.3 4.0 8.6

Despite a down year last year, he has a pretty good career avg. yards/play he defended, at 7.7.  This includes a blip-off-the-curve last year of where he averaged 9 yds/play.  in 2009 he averaged 6.9 yards/play (while also being targeted 68 times, highest sample size of all his years in the league).  This is a definite improvement over Dimitri Patterson, who averages 8.3 yds/play over his past 3 years (caveat: 2008 and 2009 are very small sample sizes), and Ellis Hobbs, who averages 8.6 yds/play over the past 3 years (with 2009 and 2010 being small sample sizes).  If DRC is on average giving up less yards/per play than Hobbs or Patterson, a reasonable assumption is that the deep pass is less successful on him than Hobbs and Patterson.  I know stats don't tell the whole story here, but this gives me reason to believe DRC specifically can do what no RCB currently on our roster can do.

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Tackling aside, is DRC a good fit for our team?
Yes, unload KK NOW
135 votes
Not thrilled, but we need to get something for the Kolbmeister
47 votes
No, I'd really rather the Eagles focus on picking up a FA corner
17 votes
shut up Iwearnumber20, youz an idiot
10 votes

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He’s gonna be going up against Dez Bryant / Hakeem Nicks, he won’t be able to get those guys down, just like Samuel can’t a lot of times. On top of that, we’ll have Coleman and Jarrett starting at safeties, so they’re not always going to be in the right spots to help out. And teams knows that neither of our corners like to tackle are going to be running a lot of screen plays, run plays towards both, before it was just Samuel, now both are horrible or unwilling tacklers.

by Eagladelphia on Jul 28, 2011 6:04 AM EDT reply actions  

See, I think a tall and talented cover man will be good against those clowns

by IwearNumber20 on Jul 28, 2011 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

In the NFL...

…tackling is a group activity. When our defenses were at there best under JJ, it wasn’t because we had tackling machines…it was because we had 3 or 4 people in on every tackle. If we can get back to that mentality, it won’t matter how good or not good one person is at tackling.

I have said that DRC is not as bad as people think. He is rail thin, but he is very tall with long arms and excellent speed. And he picks the ball off when it is in the air. The way it looks now, if he comes I think he can be 3rd-4th in INT’s in the league playing opposite of Samuel in this defense.

AND, I reiterate. WE ARE RUNNING A TAMPA 2 WHEN WE SEE OUR TEAM RUNNING A TAMPA 2. So far, this is just rampant speculation, no more plausible than all the Anquan Boldin/OJ Atogwe rumors of years past. We will know what base defense we are running when we see our team line up in pads at Lehigh. Until then, treat it as a rumor on the Yahoo Sports page.

I-C-Y-U-H8-ME

by Qwest on Jul 28, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or...

…A Yardbarker article. lol

I-C-Y-U-H8-ME

by Qwest on Jul 28, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yardbarker….the retard of sports blogging.

Jason Peters: Heart of a Lion, Face of a Chipmunk.

Eli Manning has the personality of a baked potato.

by DickMuffin on Jul 28, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The last season under JJ (and maybe one of the best season aswell) we had Mikell, Dawkins and Brown to be one of the best tackling and hard hitting secondaries. There is a reason why we drafted JJ, hard hitting, sure tackling safety. Your safeties have to be able to tackle.

by Anders Jensen on Jul 28, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, JJ = Jim Johnson..

Spell out Jarrett.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jul 29, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or maybe just an affectionate ’Quan will do.

by IwearNumber20 on Jul 29, 2011 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

coleman isnt starting

theres no way nate allen doesnt start

by JIBTA on Jul 28, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Coleman will probably start at SS till Jarrett gets up to speed fraud.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jul 28, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

fraud. Love it.

"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins

Mike Vick is a piece of shit

We be journalizing, son.
by JimmyK on Jul 21, 2011 7:21 PM EDT

by Talon Talent on Jul 28, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're welcome.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jul 29, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

well, his injury could delay his ability to start.

by Eagladelphia on Jul 29, 2011 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Asante throws some hits here and there when he needs too..

It’s not like he does what Jenkins did, he’ll put his body on somebody when he needs to.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jul 28, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

ehh

he’ll put his body ontowards somebody when he needs to.
fixed it

it just isn’t as effective when he goes bouncing back off of them.

"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins

Mike Vick is a piece of shit

We be journalizing, son.
by JimmyK on Jul 21, 2011 7:21 PM EDT

by Talon Talent on Jul 28, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The guy is a probowl cover ace. He is a bad tackler. I think Asante is a big hitter,,,,but bad tackler. This idea that the Tampa 2 NEEDS good tackling CB’s might be true in most cases. But I believe that Andy is not an idiot. If Washburns system calls for guys getting pressure…and they do the CB’s are gonna need to cover.

So maybe we’ll be great vs the pass and not so great vs the run. IDC as long as the combo wins.

Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.

"The way I figure it, if my heads gonna pop off it's gonna pop off anyways" - Ellis Hobbs on the possibility of his neck breaking.

by MightyJoeBanner on Jul 28, 2011 6:23 AM EDT reply actions  

actually

most corners in nfl arnt great tacklers .. courtland finnegan and darell revis arnt anything special

by JIBTA on Jul 28, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

When you have to type up homework assignments for your special ed classes do .. you type in one big .. double dotted .. run on sentence .. like this?

by ieatcrayons on Jul 28, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

it’s 3 dots… and it’s called an ellipses

by 21510akland on Jul 28, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was talking about what jibta does…

by ieatcrayons on Jul 28, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Cortland Finnegan also blows, don’t know why you’d put him there with Revis

Last name Ever
First name Greatest

by Djax10 on Jul 28, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

It’s important to remember that his bad year happened after the Cardinals stupidly let Antrel Rolle and Dansby go, so he didn’t have a whole lot of safety or linebacker help (Kerry Rhodes is a hack, and I can’t pretend to know anything about whatever scrub got throwin into the cavernous hole Dansby left in that defense when he chose to take his talents to South Beach).

by IwearNumber20 on Jul 29, 2011 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

If DRC comes here, it won’t be for Tampa 2 zone purposes. DRC is a super athlete that excels in man to man coverage, I wouldn’t be surprised if DRC came in and was instantly tasked with taking on Dez Bryant, Hakeem Nicks and other explosive down field players.

To illustrate how fast DRC is, watch this. Watch him slip and then catch back up to DeSean Jackson and get a hand on the ball.

He is a former probowler who had a very good rookie and sophomore campaign but his play tailed off last year.

He is a very good acquisition by the Eagles if the trade goes through as expected.

by d-jackfan10 on Jul 28, 2011 6:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Will he have trouble with the screens to the big Wr’s like Samuel has ??

by Eagladelphia on Jul 28, 2011 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

What you don't realize is that most teams don't screen to Asante's side, I didn't see it happen much last season,

and the few times I have seen it over the years Asante’s picked it.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jul 28, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting, so are you saying that the eagles would change their “proposed” bears-like scheme for a base defense that calls for more man to man? I think changing your scheme to fit your players is smart coaching if you has a young and stable team. Clearly judging by what you say about DRC the cover 2 D doesn’t cater to his strengths. Personally I think he will be fine in a zone heavy system, especially against the deep ball. he had to cover large zones in a scheme relying heavily on zone blitzes, I’m worried about his run support.

by IwearNumber20 on Jul 28, 2011 7:09 AM EDT reply actions  

and the deep ball was a weakness for us last year

hence why DRC is a good option. We can use stats all we want, him may be awful at tackling, but it is 10X better than Patterson

Reporter: "Randall, why do you think you can fly?"
Randall: "Because I'm an Eagle." HA

by Sikahema on Jul 28, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boom

exactly. While we can cry about his tackling, but his numbers show he’s tougher to throw the deep ball on than hobbs or patterson, thus, he is a vast improvement specifically over what we were weak at last year.

by IwearNumber20 on Jul 28, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

AND

He gives us some height in the secondary which we need because there are some big WR in the East and all around the league that we have no one to match up on, lets get this done already, we are not going to get DRC and a 1st so just get the 2nd rd pick and move on and get this ball rolling, Mike & Mike on ESPN this morning talked about how disappointing the Eagles have been thus far in free agency when everyone figured they would be out the gate aand shutting it down, but like always I hope our FO knows what they are doing

by DcEagles29 on Jul 28, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

they will.......

i think were still gonna wind up with either Edwards/Babin which will prolly be Edwards hopefully, and a veteran LB and Safety. A interseting thought came into my mind before which was do we try to sign Marion Barber to a contract???

by goldenbird09 on Jul 28, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

If

we have the right personnel for Washburns system these two CB will be perfect. Our pass D will be great. If our LB’s fit Washburns system and our Safeties can get up in there our run D will be fine. Good enough to win.

Joe Banner is Evil Banners father. Kinda like Luke and Darth Vader.

Juan Castillo switching from the offensive line coach to Defensive coordinator is soooo dumb it might just work.

by MightyJoeBanner on Jul 28, 2011 8:41 AM EDT reply actions  

we will

win and play crazy better then last year I have no doubts about our LB and if we add Tullock we are going to be insane D because I feel babin is coming to philly cause he wants to play for Washburn

by DcEagles29 on Jul 28, 2011 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

gonna be hard.....

to land Tulloch since the Lions are on a spending spree to bolster their defense, i guess its gonna come down to if Tulloch wants to play for a contender now or help build a young D. Its gotta be appealing to him to know in Detroit hes gonna have suh and fairley eating up blocks for him.

by goldenbird09 on Jul 28, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair

asante’s tackling last yhear improved greatly

by Jeff Sun on Jul 28, 2011 9:09 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Why am I excited about DRC?

Dez Bryant
Miles Austin
Hakeem Nicks
Steve Smith

by The Pied Piper on Jul 28, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

agreed

Reporter: "Randall, why do you think you can fly?"
Randall: "Because I'm an Eagle." HA

by Sikahema on Jul 28, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

1st – DRC has added about 10 pounds in the off season, so he is a lot closer to 200 than he is 185.

2nd – Our Read and React Def will rely on our LB corp to be responsible for the majority of tackling on run plays.

3rd – For better or worse, his level of play coincides with that of the Def and the team in general. The better everyone else plays, the better DRC will play. I see him relishing the opportunity to play opposite Samuel and playing a lot closer to his 2009 Pro Bowl form than his sub par 2010 form.

4th – Actually, I don’t have a 4th point, other than loving the addition of DRC and Babin, and hoping we can add Tulloch. Our Defense will be in Beast mode son!

by The Reddgie on Jul 28, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

...

1- DRC being closer to 200 makes me feel loads better.. 6-2 200lbs is much better than 6-2 185, no wonder he couldn’t tackle.

2- The read and react will rely on the LB’s a lot more. that’s why we need a guy like Tulloch he’s the perfect fit for MIKE in that system.

3- Our D plays hard, I expect DRC to also.

4- I like the addition of Babin from a standpoint of it’s essentially a 2 year deal then it drops significantly. So after 2 years when Graham overtakes him we can just cut him with little impact…

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jul 28, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

or have a great rotation with Babin, Tapp, and Te'o

"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.

by number5 on Jul 28, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking Te'o's a darkhorse for us..

Apparently Washburn’s been on his ass hard so far…

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jul 29, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

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