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What is DeSean's value?


In the interest of giving board space to this topic in the FanPosts section, I thought I'd pose the question of DeSean Jackson's true value to the Eagles...a value that can not be entirely measured in stats.

So what's he worth?

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We all know that this is going full pushups mode inside of a week given Jackson's agent and his penchant for douchey showboating.  But Jackson's gripe is certainly legitimate. 

Here are some of the salaries of the NFL's top receivers and, undoubtedly, Rosenhaus is going to ask for top receiver money.  Incidentally, today's contracts to Sidney Rice (5 years 40+ million) and Santonio Holmes (5 years 50 million) only serve to drive up the price.

Andre Johnson--7 years $73 million

Roddy White--6 year $50 million

Calvin Johnson--6 year $55 million

Larry FItzgerald--4 year $40 million

Reggie Wayne--six-year, $39 million

Now these are arguably the best 5 receivers in the game, so for DeSean to think he is going to get top-tier money like Johnson & Johnson is probably a bit far fetched.  But is he worth to the Eagles what Santonio Holmes is to the Jets?  Is he worth what Brandon Marshall (5 years, $50 million) is to the Dolphins?  DeSean was paid $480,000 last year and stands to make $565,000 this year. 

This holdout could last a long time.

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Like I stated earlier, this issue really concerns me.

As a fan, I love DeSean because he can make a wesome plays and totally affect games. As a fan, I can also become very frustrated with DeSean because I feel his production can be inconsistent… to an extent where he can DISAPPEAR in games.

Like cin7 suggested earlier, (although IDK how possible it is), I think DeSean is worth a very incentive-laden contract. My fear is that DeSean’s best attribute (speed) will diminish with time and he’ll diminish as a player, while we’ll be massively overpaying for him.

If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.

by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jul 27, 2011 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I do agree with that.

You can stop DeSean in ways you can’t stop Fitzgerald or the Johnsons because of the size issue. However, he backs safeties 15 yards off the line of scrimmage and opens up tons of space for the offense. Hell, the offense is what it is because of DeSean. I don’t think Rosenhaus is going to go for heavy incentive laden.

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by EvilBanner on Jul 27, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree about the speed diminishing..

if he gets a long term deal, say 5-7 years, what will he offer in the last few years oh his deal say he loses a step. But, with that being said, I want him to sign, lol. NOW

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by Sikahema on Jul 27, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

its not like he

Is gonna turn into a turtle at age 29-30

by con-vick on Jul 27, 2011 10:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And if he’s slowed and expensive last in the contract, they’ll just cut him. That’s the beauty of the NFL.

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by JasonB on Jul 27, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

beat me to it

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by NorthPhillyKid on Jul 27, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was

Just going to say the same thing If Jax bulks up a bit and looses some speed he is still fast as hell.

by Two Nickels on Jul 28, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

inconsistent???? Huh?

Jackson’s yards per game over the past two seasons is near the top of the league. People call Jackson inconsistent as if the other top 6-10 receivers get exactly 75 yards every game. But I don’t think that’s how it works for anyone, including Fitz, Wayne etc…

The typical top receiver will get 120 yards one week, 35 the next and 70 the week after that… that’s how it goes. See Fitz for instance… here’s his game logs from 2010.
http://www.nfl.com/player/larryfitzgerald/2506106/gamelogs

The receivers who put up an insane 1400+ yard season rarely come close the next year (see steve smith). Desean was on pace for nearly 1400 his second season but he missed 2 games. Also remember Desean’s rush yards (337 in 3 seasons) to not count towards his yardage but are just as valuable… he’s gotten a bunch of TD’s and first downs on end-arounds.

Oh and he returns punts too… quite well.

Desean’s week to week output will vary, especially since he’s a big play specialist… he could be open for a 70 yard TD but one missed block by Celek or an imperfect throw by Vick or a hold on Justice or Vick sees Maclin open first… etc… can be the difference between a 100 yard game and a 30 yard game.

I’m too lazy to do this myself… but I’d like to see Desean’s “inconsistency” be quantified… in other words, what’s the standard deviation of his yardage in the games he played the last two seasons (aside from the two he left early in)? And then compare this to other top receivers. I doubt there will be much difference.

by MikeCampy on Jul 27, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somewhere

Roddy White/Reggie Wayne level

Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.

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by MightyJoeBanner on Jul 27, 2011 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that the Rice contract is a good starting point.

5 years, 40 million-ish.

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by EvilBanner on Jul 27, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

I think he should be happy with that.

Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.

"The way I figure it, if my heads gonna pop off it's gonna pop off anyways" - Ellis Hobbs on the possibility of his neck breaking.

by MightyJoeBanner on Jul 27, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

5 years $40,000,000.01

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by DickMuffin on Jul 27, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

only if the pennie is given to him heads up , otherwise the deal is off

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by NorthPhillyKid on Jul 27, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think what's gonna drive up the price

Isn’t just the fact of the impact he makes as a receiver, but the special teams impact as well. There’s no doubt in the world that Rosenhaus is going to bring up that punt return vs the Giants as much as he can and probably say “there’s no way you win that game if DeSean isn’t back there fielding that punt” or something of that variation. That’s what is gonna be the deciding factor.

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by macjack09 on Jul 27, 2011 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

i think its fair 2 say.....

he should get somewheres around the same deal Santonio got, however it plays out Howie has to figure this one out and fast to.

by goldenbird09 on Jul 27, 2011 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Desean is the new Westbrook

Without him the offense is a shell of it’s self. He is the most explosive player and the swagger of this young team. We need him, get it done.

Let's get it Birds.

by homestar2281 on Jul 27, 2011 9:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

what about Vick?

hes not holding out but when does that deal get done?

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by Sikahema on Jul 27, 2011 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

.

Jason Peters: Heart of a Lion, Face of a Chipmunk.

Eli Manning has the personality of a baked potato.

by DickMuffin on Jul 27, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i just wet myself laughing so hard ... not really

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Creator of "Jibta" - NPK

"i know talent .. the eagles do not " – JIBTA

by NorthPhillyKid on Jul 27, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

I have no idea why this struck me as being so damn funny but it is very comical lol

by Two Nickels on Jul 28, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

its got mad scientist honey bear written all over it

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Creator of "Jibta" - NPK

"i know talent .. the eagles do not " – JIBTA

by NorthPhillyKid on Jul 28, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vick is franchised. His money is huge for 2011.

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by GreenInBaltimore on Jul 27, 2011 10:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I would have to say 4 years 35 million, 12 guaranteed. His speed isn’t going to last, and once that is gone, he’s basically useless.

Calvin Johnson is leagues better than him.. he shouldn’t even come close to that money.

Byahhh!

by begforme4484 on Jul 27, 2011 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Not if he gets hurt.. he does have a tiny little frame

Byahhh!

by begforme4484 on Jul 28, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever DeSean wants, he can have !!!

by Eagladelphia on Jul 27, 2011 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

what

if he wants yout butt?

And if R. Kelly goes to jail, I'LL PISS ON YO' CAT!!

by Riley Freeman on Jul 28, 2011 12:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

*your

damit! im getting a new phone fuck the tiny keys on the Droid.

And if R. Kelly goes to jail, I'LL PISS ON YO' CAT!!

by Riley Freeman on Jul 28, 2011 12:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

relax, we’re talking about money, stay focused

by Eagladelphia on Jul 28, 2011 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eagles should take care of their guys first, they shouldn’t let this go on for too long, sign him to a nice contract, make him happy and bring him in to training camp right away… The FO aint doing shit until friday at 6 anyways…. might as well get this deal done NOW… come on Banner and Lurie, pay the man… stop being so frugal with the millions you have…

by Eagladelphia on Jul 27, 2011 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

He's worth 9-11 mill a year in my opinion.. Not all of it guaranteed of coarse.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

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by wild_eagle on Jul 27, 2011 10:42 PM EDT reply actions  

the guarantee is coarse like a rock ?

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Creator of "Jibta" - NPK

"i know talent .. the eagles do not " – JIBTA

by NorthPhillyKid on Jul 27, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

course? Fuck my dyslexia.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jul 28, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

you mean

fcuk my dyslexia. :)

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Juan Castillo switching from the offensive line coach to Defensive coordinator is soooo dumb it might just work.

by MightyJoeBanner on Jul 28, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

The man can win a game at the drop of a hat. PAY HIM.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
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by KByars on Jul 27, 2011 10:50 PM EDT reply actions  

this

Last name Ever
First name Greatest

by Djax10 on Jul 28, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's not just a playmaker, He's a Gamebreaker

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by w-w-JJ-d on Jul 27, 2011 11:00 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

desean is in the myans ?

clay wont be happy, neither will jax

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If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK

Creator of "Jibta" - NPK

"i know talent .. the eagles do not " – JIBTA

by NorthPhillyKid on Jul 27, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

"What is DeSean's Value" is a frickin hillarious post coming for evilbanner

Banner is going to set his own value and I hope this doesn’t turn into drive way crunches.

by Sullybmore on Jul 27, 2011 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

he can actually be serious some times

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If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK

Creator of "Jibta" - NPK

"i know talent .. the eagles do not " – JIBTA

by NorthPhillyKid on Jul 27, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said before.

Desean does not need to hold out to be paid. The Eagles will pay the man no matter what. His little ass needs to get back to practice. We have a SuperBowl to win. This move is not helping anyone. .

by greenage on Jul 27, 2011 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

6 years 45.6 mil

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If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK

Creator of "Jibta" - NPK

"i know talent .. the eagles do not " – JIBTA

by NorthPhillyKid on Jul 27, 2011 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

6 yrs, 48.6 mill

Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"

by NJEagle on Jul 28, 2011 12:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

6 yrs, 48.7 mill

And if R. Kelly goes to jail, I'LL PISS ON YO' CAT!!

by Riley Freeman on Jul 28, 2011 12:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

6 yrs, 48.71 million.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jul 28, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

what everyone who has ever had that happen to them on the show wants to say.

by brisulph on Jul 28, 2011 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

lmao

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If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK

Creator of "Jibta" - NPK

"i know talent .. the eagles do not " – JIBTA

by NorthPhillyKid on Jul 28, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec

"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh

If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK

Creator of "Jibta" - NPK

"i know talent .. the eagles do not " – JIBTA

by NorthPhillyKid on Jul 28, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am with

WE and Riley, 6 yr 45 to 50 mil should be sufficent and make about $15 mil guranntee, be hapopy and play on

by DcEagles29 on Jul 28, 2011 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well....

Funny story. I actually made a fan post on this a few months back.

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2011/1/11/1928132/examining-deseans-and-vicks-prospective-contracts

I put the big name receivers who got extensions in 2010 together and two players who I feel have similar career trajectory at the time of extension or signing of a new contract. Brandon Marshall and Andre Johnson are going to get more than DeSean got and you can see why, they were better receivers. At the time of the contract signing I feel like Anquan Boldin, Greg Jennings and Roddy White all have similar enough numbers to DeSean to guess that his contract will be somewhere in the ball park, but two things threw a wrench into this. The first wrench thrown into the gears was DeSean Jackson as a football player rather than just as a receiver, as an all purpose football player he has about 500 yards more than the next closest receiver and his TD production when you factor in rushes and returns matches up with the TD production of Brandon Marshall and Andre Johnson. What, or I should say who, else threw a wrench into things? Jerry Jones. That monster contract he gave Miles Austin after one year of production really drove DeSean’s price up IMO. DeSean is going to look at Miles Austin’s contract, see a guy who has one year of production, was older than him and got a contract comparable to ones that Andre Johnson and Brandon Marshall received. DeSean out produced Miles by a landslide when you look at their numbers at the time they were seeking extensions.

If you figure thatDeSean’s contract will be similar to recent extensions of top receivers the figures of the deal would average out to be: 5-6 years, about 45 million dollars with about 18-21 million guaranteed.

After seeing the contracts that Holmes (5 years, 50 million, 26 guaranteed) and Rice (5 years, 41 million, 18 guaranteed) got, I think that I’m still right on track to be right.

by d-jackfan10 on Jul 28, 2011 2:09 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

Holmes and Jackson are at a similar level at WR (Jackson better), so his contract is a fair one for Desean Jackson

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by number5 on Jul 28, 2011 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

+2 and a rec

add up the numbers and the man needs to get paid! It has been said before this man deserves to paid more than Sid Rice, not only does he have better overall numbers he is more durable than Rice!

by #12 on Jul 28, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow Colts got Reggie Wayne for a steal!

I think we should give DeSean no more than 8.5 mil per year.

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by Ralf E Chubbs on Jul 28, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

wayne much older, you can see he’s starting to slow a bit…

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by Bleediots on Jul 28, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/430427-texans-ink-andre-johnson-to-highest-wr-contract-in-nfl

Just saying, if Andre johnson is only making 10.5 million a year after his bonus, we need to temper what the Eagles will give DeSean. I’d be ok with 5 years, 45 million with 12 million guaranteed. Anymore, we need to start seeing consistent 1300 receiving yd double digit receiving TD years.

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by JimmyK on Jul 21, 2011 7:21 PM EDT

by Talon Talent on Jul 28, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Desean's contract.... Revis' contract?

I guess I’ve got this idea in my head that we’d be better off structuring Desean’s contract similar to the way the NYJ set up Revis’. A large up front bonus to basically reward him for way out performing his rookie contract and reasonable yearly salaries for the term of the deal.

Revis’ contract: 4 years, 46 million with 32 guaranteed
2010: $7.5 million base salary, no signing bonus
2011: $18 million option bonus (due on the first day of the first league year after 2010, accounting for the chance of a lockout), $7 million base salary
2012: $7.5 million base salary (guaranteed for injury)
2013: $6 million base salary (guaranteed for skill)

I’m not saying that Desean should make Revis money, or get the crazy guaranteed money that Revis is getting, but the model of the contract seems like a good one, especially considering the Eagles’ cap space this year. And that d-jackfan10’s suggestion of

5-6 years, about 45 million dollars with about 18-21 million guaranteed
would be a reasonable one.

"On the flip side, though, Bleeding Green Nation cites a PFF study that says Jackson dropped the highest percentage of catchable passes (19.67 percent) of any receiver in the league last year. I think he also dropped that punt at the end of the last Giants game. But then he picked it back up."

by Mike757 on Jul 28, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Preferably 6 years if this were the case.

"On the flip side, though, Bleeding Green Nation cites a PFF study that says Jackson dropped the highest percentage of catchable passes (19.67 percent) of any receiver in the league last year. I think he also dropped that punt at the end of the last Giants game. But then he picked it back up."

by Mike757 on Jul 28, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pay the man his f##kin money.

by rugbyrowe on Jul 28, 2011 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Desean holding out makes no sense

I just heard on NFLN that for every day he skips camp he loses 30k. Plus, if he doesn’t report to camp by the eighth, this next year won’t count towards getting to free agency. He’d have to stay another year her at the same pay rate under the new CBA. He’s already lost 60k and stands only to make 565,00 this year; holding out could lose him a good chunk of his salary.

by nyeaglesfan624 on Jul 28, 2011 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

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