(Hopefully) The Last Lockout Fanpost

by dt3 on Jul 22, 2011 10:36 AM EDT

The NFLPA not reforming as a union is not an option, for the NFL to continue it is a necessity. I am not going to sit here and lie to you, saying that I am smart enough to know how the negotiations would have proceeded without the NFLPA decertifying but the fact is they stated they decertified in order to get a new deal done. That deal is now (99%) done and its now their responsibility to close Pandora's Box.

Without a union in place it is just a matter of time until one player (and his over zealous agent) wants to challenge the draft, the rookie salary cap, the economic system of the league in its entirety and all of this work/progress will be for not. The league will be found in violation of anti-trust laws, the draft and salary restrictions will end and, most importantly, parity in the league as we know it will end.

A team like Philadelphia, in a major market with an owner that is willing to spend $$$, will not be as affected as others but teams like the Cleveland Browns, the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Buffalo Bills can forget about EVER again picking up a true 5 star prospect. They will quickly become the Kansas City Royals, the Pittsburgh Pirates. The gap between the haves and have nots will spread to distances never before imagined and the competiveness of the league will become a thing of the past. The thing that makes this sport so great, that anything can happen on any given Sunday, will be forgotten and the NFL will join the other 3 major sport leagues in mediocrity where no one tunes in (or cares) until the playoffs start.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but is there not a cap base in the new CBA

I think I heard teams MUST spend 109 mill

by Sikahema on Jul 22, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions

confused what your point is here..

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by dt3 on Jul 22, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions

it may not be a great point,

but aren’t they forced to fill that cap floor with some kind of talent. Its the front office and personnel staff that need to scout talent. I do agree banking on high quality players can help, but its not the be all end all. If its a good organization they should be competitive. Hell,Snyder throws money around likes its his job, same with the Raiders, hans’t really worked out for them.

by Sikahema on Jul 22, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions

moot point… if the draft and the salary restrictions are challenged the NFL salary floor would be out the window as well.

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by dt3 on Jul 22, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Isn’t this the same doomsday stuff that was thrown around before this all started?

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jul 22, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions

no this is completely different doomsday stuff…

Before the lockout started it was all like “The world is going to end because we dont have football.”

This stuff is all like “The world is going to end because while we have football back it is a shitty version of what once was great. NFL salaries are out of whack and make the NBA look reasonable and we dont have a draft helping smaller teams stay competitive.”

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by dt3 on Jul 22, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions

just to be clear… the 2nd scenario is not what would result from this CBA but what would inevitably happen if the league was reopened without a union

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by dt3 on Jul 22, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions

No that’s the same improbable doomsday stuff that Goodell tried to play at the start of this whole mess. It’s even less believable now.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jul 22, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions

So you think the NFL opening up the season without a union is an option??

You really think that the next Terrelle Pryor or Janoris Jenkins suing the league to challenge the draft/rookie salary cap is unbelievable??

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by dt3 on Jul 22, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions

1. Huh?? The season can’t open without a CBA, which requires the NFLPA to exist. Why are you asking me this, it’s the backbone of your argument. It’s also why your argument makes no sense.
2. Could they try? Possibly. Could they succeed? No.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jul 22, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions

1) the point of my article is that the NFLPA wants to stay as a trade association. Have the CBA passed with no set deadline on when they would re-establish themselves as a union. If you doubt this just start researching this NFLVR fiasco which was blowing up on twitter earlier in the afternoon. Quoted from Roosevelt Colvin’s twitter when asked about the recertification process “@nflvr man if and when tht happens ur not the place to do it.” (emphasis added)

2) You base this on what? According to the letter of the law how can dictating where an employee works and how much they make not be deemed as anti-competitive regulations?? (disclaimer… i think holding the NFL and other sports leagues to the same standards as other forms of business ridiculous but it is what they would be up against if ever challenged.)

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by dt3 on Jul 22, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions

1. The NFLPA does not want to reform until all the issues are settled. Do you have a credible source that says that the NFLPA intends to forever remain a trade union and forgo re-certification or just half-informed hysteria?
2. The CBA would prevent that. The NFL cannot function without illegal business practices, which is why the CBA is needed to protect them from the liabilities that those practices would normally incur. This ridiculous idea was floated in previous comments sections, but there is no basis for it.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jul 22, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions

I love how my side of the story is “half-informed hysteria” while yours is taken as fact. I have already quoted players saying “if and when (the union is recertified)”. I have went over NFLPA leaders being quoted that they wont be forced to reconstitute as a union and that “any Agreement reached through (being coerced into reconstituting could be) declared null and void”.

Now I ask you… do you have any credible sources stating that NFLPA has 100% full intentions on reestablishing as a union?? You dont… no one does. Because communication from the top of the NFLPA has been nonexistent. Players are so in the dark on how the recertification process is going to work that highly regarded players (James Harrison, Roddy White, Jon Beason, Arrelllious Benn, Kam Chancellor) retweeting links from bullshit sites claiming to be in charge of voting on the process.

Next question, if they do plan on recertifying can they do it in an expedited manner?? This garbage that it is going to take them 2 weeks to collect signatures is bullshit (and I honestly wonder if its a ploy to open the league year while delaying training camps). It takes 48 hours, at MOST 72 hours to get this done. What’s the plan if, 2 weeks into the league year, they dont get those cards back in order to recertify?? I cant draw up a situation causing this to happen but the truth is you dont put yourself in position to get f’ed over like that.

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by dt3 on Jul 22, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions

And where in there is a statement saying that they have any intention of never re-certifying? Nowhere, because they fucking have not said that.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jul 22, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions

and where have they fucking said that they fully fucking intend on fucking recertifying the fucking union. You fucking dont have any fucking definitive fucking proof either so your fucking side is no more fucking correct than my fucking side.

My only point is if the NFLPA fully intends on recertifying why arent they getting ahead of this issue?? Informing players on how the process is going to work and what to expect. Why are they wasting time threatening lawsuits and even opening up topics like this for discussion.

If you dont believe the point is worthy of discussion then move on. IMO a player tweeting IF they decide to recertify and NFLPA leaders claiming federal law is being breached is more than enough to discuss…. fucking.

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by dt3 on Jul 22, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions

You made shit up and got called on it, give it up.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jul 22, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Please quote below anything you think I made and I will happily source.

Otherwise stay classy.

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by dt3 on Jul 22, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions

The NFLPA will not re-certify and intends to enter the season as a trade association.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jul 22, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions

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by dt3 on Jul 22, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions

While your source is cuddly, it is not reputable, nor does it mention the NFLPA.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jul 22, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions

funny story… when I decided I wanted to post this as a response I started combing through my old BGN comments knowing I had used it about a month before. When I finally find it who is the one person who had commented back that they loved it… none other than KByars himself. Little did he know that cuddly, awesome dog would be used against him only 1 month later.

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by dt3 on Jul 22, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions

I couldn’t seem to locate that. Were you pushing the same bs idea that time too?
Also, you still haven’t linked any sources.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jul 22, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions

oh i thought you were done trolling. Here are the links you asked for…

Players stating “if and when” when discussing reforming as a union – http://twitter.com/#!/rcolvin3/status/94432095321075712

NFLPA General Counsel going on record in regards to " the time needed to consider forming a union" and “any Agreement reached through (being coerced into reconstituting could be) declared null and void" – ”http://philly.sbnation.com/philadelphia-eagles/2011/7/21/2287881/demaurice-smith-says-owners-may-have-violated-federal-law" target="_blank">http://philly.sbnation.com/philadelphia-eagles/2011/7/21/2287881/demaurice-smith-says-owners-may-have-violated-federal-law

Us getting along – http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2011/6/13/2221958/quick-poll-on-cbs-for-you-intelligent-individuals#69625752

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by dt3 on Jul 22, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions

And where in any of that does it say that the NFLPA will not re-certify and intends to enter the season as a trade association?
It doesn’t.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jul 22, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions

To be more explicit, where in there lies the proof?

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Jul 22, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions

2) Will they try? Eventually, yes. Just a matter of time. Could they succeed? Ask the Casey Anthony prosecutor if there is such a thing as a slam dunk, open/shut case. The possible repercussions are so severe that the league needs to make sure no one is ever in place to test this theory.

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by dt3 on Jul 22, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions

alright break it up, break it up

by con-vick on Jul 22, 2011 11:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

it was only a matter of time

by Sikahema on Jul 23, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions

until...

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by wild_eagle on Jul 23, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions