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Should the Eagles make a strong push for Ray Edwards?


Before I start, I would like for you all to remember how you felt on January 9, 2010. For those of you with a short memory, it was the 2nd straight beatdown given by the Cowboys to our beloved Eagles, ending our 2010 hopes for a SB and also ending the McNabb era in Philly. There are many reasons why the Eagles lost those two final games, including defensive pressure (or lack there of). The Cowboys converted a great deal of 3rd downs by passing the ball in that game with limited pressure on Romo.   Cole had a pretty good game, but the rest of the line played below standards (and seemed to have continued that trend until the hiring of Washburn). I was bummed after that game and couldnt wait for any team to whoop on Tony Romo in the following weeks. Well I didnt have to wait too long.....

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The next week the Cowboys played the Vikings and their beast of a DL dominated Romo and his OL all game. Ray Edwards became somewhat of a hero for me in that game (I just wanted to see Romo in the dirt on every play).

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Now I am in no way underestimating the talent that the whole DL had that year, but boy was it ever nice to see someone step up that day.

There has been a few rumors around Philly about the possibility of acquiring a guy like Jason Babin for next season. Babin had a great year last year and a lot of it was credited on the Washburn system. I happen to believe that even though part of that may be true, Babin showed great potential in the pre-season with the Eagles, and could have very well had a great year opposite Trent Cole, given the chance. Some guys peak later in their careers, it's not an anomaly. However, my thoughts remain that Babin will be looking for a long term deal, which could be a risky proposition for the Eagles, given Babin's age and upside (unknown).

Insert possible better option here: Ray Edwards.

Edwards has also just come off a career year (by his standards). Although he only ended the year with 8.5 sacks in 2010, he was the NFL's 3rd best  Edge Rusher in 2010. The Vikings tendered Edwards at the end of last season but with recent new CBA rumors it appears as though restricted FA tenders might be worthless in a few weeks. As Mike Florio wrote last week:

"We’ve been saying for weeks now that, if/when a new labor deal is reached, the minimum number of years for unrestricted free agency will move back to four years.  Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that, indeed, the pre-2010 rules will return.

It’s no surprise.  The limit moved from four years to six in the uncapped year.  For more than 15 years prior to that, the limit was four.

As a practical matter, it means that plenty of money will be flowing once the market opens, and those restricted free agency tenders applied to players with four year and five years of service, such as Vikings defensive end Ray Edwards, become meaningless."

My guess is that Edwards price may be about the same as Babin. However, Edwards is younger and has, IMO, a higher ceiling.

So I ask again, should the Eagles make a strong push to aquire Ray Edwards?

Poll
Should the Eagles get Ray Edwards?
Yes, a DE is a high priority (after RCB)
55 votes
Maybe/Yes, but DE is not a big priority
43 votes
No, the price won't be right
15 votes
No, there are other options at DE
18 votes

131 votes | Poll has closed

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Maybe, I don’t think DE is as big of a need as people are making it out to be. If we can get a good price on him or Charles Johnson I’ll take them.

by The Legend on Jun 28, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I tend to be on the fence with that one. I know that a lot of people are seeing Washburn as the next messiah right now and that he can turn any turd into gold…but that is yet to be seen. Hopefully he can…..but we all know Reid loves his DL and always preaches that its the foundation of the defense. It will be interesting to see what they end up doing. A great pass rush makes everyone else better…..

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by BWestFactor on Jun 28, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

*

yet to be seen in the new system with the Eagles thats is…

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by BWestFactor on Jun 28, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, what Washburn does ( unleashing the DL to pressure the pocket ) is yet to be seen here.
Also true that people are wrong who think of him as the “next Messiah”, or turning any turd into gold, because there’s no such thing, but wouldn’t you like to see another, better, pass rusher added?
And aren’t you a little excited about the changes Washburn will make?. I am.

"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson

by waterfield on Jun 29, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I say yes

If you have a great D-line, than the QB doesn’t have time to throw and your cornerbacks don’t have to be great.

Cowboys suck.

by stinkypants on Jun 28, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Better corners and more of a pass rush = D being on the field less = More time for Vick to have the ball in his hands.

"Learning to eat soup with a knife"

by h2o_34_35_44 on Jun 28, 2011 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

No

His success in the playoffs in 2009 was impressive but he doesn’t really add anything so outstanding that he is a must add. I say let our younger players develop and they should give equal if not better production.

"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins

Mike Vick is a piece of shit

by Talon Talent on Jun 28, 2011 5:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Fake interest to force ATL to overpay him even more than they’re currenlty planning to overpay him

by DLawrence55 on Jun 28, 2011 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

true

he has atlanta falcon written all over him..

by ieatcrayons on Jun 28, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

So you would rather him line up against Winston Justice in week 2 just so it would “cripple” the Falcons financially? ….its not like playing in ATL will be hard enough to begin with, you them to add firepower?

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by BWestFactor on Jun 28, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Justice?!

I’m hoping we overpay for Doug Free!!

by DLawrence55 on Jun 28, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

well..i cant disagree with you there…

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by BWestFactor on Jun 28, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i’ll pass on him…… his a non factor in a very good vikings DL

by wagone on Jun 28, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edwards is way overhyped.

I’m sorry but playing opposite of Jared Allen and next to the Williams bro’s and just now having a career year? I’ll pass.

The dude struggles when 1 on 1 with an OT, he’s non-existent when you put a TE and OT on him.. Sure he’s a “great edge rusher” but he’s so unspectacular, he’s so streaky he’s not even worth the money.

There is a reason the Vikings just payed his Backup some pretty good money… And it’s because anybody could do Edwards job with the DL the Vikings strut out every week.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jun 28, 2011 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Well said. He is one of the most overrated DE’s in the entire league.

Jason Peters: Heart of a Lion, Face of a Chipmunk.

Eli Manning has the personality of a baked potato.

by DickMuffin on Jun 28, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and he's so unmotivated, like

all he bitches about is money.. The only reason he lit up the Cowboys that game is because one of the Cowboys players was talking shit about him..

I’ve seen the guy play motivated 2-3 times in his entire career.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jun 29, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

For everyone saying “no”, I’m genuinely curious in what you’re thinking the Eagles SHOULD do at DE.

BG clearly isn’t an option (to start the season, that is) at this point, so what do you think they should do?

If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.

by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jun 28, 2011 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I say give Tapp a go, he seems to be a perfect fit for Washburn’s system.

Jason Peters: Heart of a Lion, Face of a Chipmunk.

Eli Manning has the personality of a baked potato.

by DickMuffin on Jun 28, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked what I saw out of Tapp at times last year, too.

If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.

by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jun 28, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m fine seeing what Washburn can do with the guys we already have. If we do go after somebody I hope it’s Charles Johnson but know that probably won’t happen.

by The Legend on Jun 28, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give Tapp the start

Te’o go beast mode (which will happen this season). And bring in Graham mid season and have one of the best DE rotations in the league, while not spending too much money.

"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.

by number5 on Jun 28, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Te’o go beast mode (which will happen this season).

I don’t see beast mode, but I do see a good 5-6 sacks out of him in reserve time.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jun 29, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Te’o blows

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by Djax10 on Jun 29, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

what makes you say that?

you must be angry about where he was taken still.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jun 29, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty much, waste of a 3rd round pick for somebody that doesn’t even play

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First name Greatest

by Djax10 on Jun 29, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was buried on the depth chart lol.. I'm sure he'll play more next season.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jun 29, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

TO blows. :)

"It's a great day to be great, baby!"

"Here I am, brain the size of a planet,
and they ask me to pick up a piece of paper.
You call that job satisfaction?
'Cause, I don't."

THE BEARS STILL SUCK!

by NorthStarr on Jul 4, 2011 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

his ACL's.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jul 4, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

lmfao +1

"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins

Mike Vick is a piece of shit

by Talon Talent on Jul 4, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I chuckled to myself a little.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jul 4, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly.

I’m thinking we go with Tapp, he fits the system very well and he’s got the talents Washburn looks for.. Then have JP, Te’o and pick up a lower tier guy at DE till Graham returns.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jun 29, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Funny,

you hate Finnigan and call him overrated yet you like Ray Edwards?

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jun 29, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ray Edwards is good. Finnegan blows.

by d-jackfan10 on Jun 29, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Finnegan is a joke, Edwards is a joke.

At least Finnegan gets fired up over something.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jun 29, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least Ray Edwards plays football well. Finnegan is just garbage.

by d-jackfan10 on Jun 29, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have mixed feelings. The Eagles could use extra help at DE, but can we manage with what we have until BG gets back? Will BG be a reliable enough option when/if he gets back?

Also, I think it’s needless to say that Nnamdi needs to be the #1 target. Any other kind of big-time FA is secondary (no pun intended) to him.

If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.

by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jun 28, 2011 10:04 PM EDT reply actions  

No

I like the core we have right now, and the number one reason he thrived was because other teams doubled Allen and Kevin Williams, which in Philly teams would focus on Cole and Edwards. And currently our DT’s aren’t amazing pass rushers.

"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.

by number5 on Jun 28, 2011 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

“and the number one reason he thrived was because other teams doubled Allen”

So why havent anyone realy thrived opposite Cole then?

And if youre gonna say well Parker did ok, well Parker is also aging and has a fat contract….AND he still aint as good as Edwards…

FLY #7 FLY !!!
In MUDD I trust !!!

by BWestFactor on Jun 29, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Umm

Production opposite of Cole in 2010

Tackles: 64
Sacks: 13
Pass Def: 6
Forced Fumbles: 3

Production of Edwards in 2010

Tackles: 37
Sacks: 8
Pass Def: 2
Forced Fumbles: 0

While no single individual has “thrived” opposite of Trent Cole, the entire LDE position has..

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jun 29, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you just compared 1 player vs a bunch of players. Edwards is still a pretty good edge rusher dude. I know you don’t like him but he does have some value. And right now, to put all our eggs in the Tapp/Sapp/Teo/CFLer for the rotationat right and left DE is kinda thin….

FLY #7 FLY !!!
In MUDD I trust !!!

by BWestFactor on Jun 29, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edwards vs Parker

Edwards 2009- 16 games started, 16 games played. 51 tackles, 8.5 sacks, 1 FF
2010- 14 games started, 14 games played. 37 tackles, 8 sacks.

Parker 2009- 11 games started, 16 games played. 34 tackles, 8 sacks, 2 FF.
2010- 10 games started, 13 games played. 22 tackles, 6 sacks, 1 FF.

Parker is damn near as good despite playing less and being older. Edawrds is gonna want a bigger contract then he would be worth to our team.

"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins

Mike Vick is a piece of shit

by Talon Talent on Jun 29, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Parker is old and fading fast and is getting paid alsmot as much as Edwards is going to get….Edwards is way yunger and had more upside.

The Eagles are basically in the same position DE wise as they were prior to the 2010 draft. The only difference is that now Parker is older….

They need to make something happen dude…

FLY #7 FLY !!!
In MUDD I trust !!!

by BWestFactor on Jun 29, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know Parker is older

and yet with that age he is giving us damn near the same production as Edwards who has a better DL surrounding him. Just think we can get good enough production out of what we have or for cheaper then Edwards is going to come.

"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins

Mike Vick is a piece of shit

by Talon Talent on Jun 29, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Edwards 2009- 16 games started, 16 games played. 51 tackles, 8.5 sacks, 1 FF
2010- 14 games started, 14 games played. 37 tackles, 8 sacks.

Parker 2009- 11 games started, 16 games played. 34 tackles, 8 sacks, 2 FF.
2010- 10 games started, 13 games played. 22 tackles, 6 sacks, 1 FF.

You’re leaving out the 65 hurries and 26 QB hits for Ray Edwards in the past two years. Parker has had 39 hurries and 10 QB hits the past two years.

You were saying?

by d-jackfan10 on Jun 29, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

well

I don’t subscribe to PFF or wherever you get those stats, so yeah I don’t see those to count them. On top of that what constitutes a QB hit and what constitutes a hurry? I figure if they were able to be taken with any sort of accuracy the NFL would probably keep track of tghem as well. I figure I want my DE to get to the QB, not almost get to the QB.

"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins

Mike Vick is a piece of shit

by Talon Talent on Jun 29, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re free on FootballOutsiders.

by d-jackfan10 on Jun 30, 2011 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry.. I used

Parker, Graham, Tapp and Te’o who all took snaps at LDE..

And still our LDE position gets more production than Edwards does.. Our LDE position is “thriving” if you consider Edwards to be.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jun 29, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

And my comment which was
While no single individual has "thrived" opposite of Trent Cole, the entire LDE position has..

is still very valid.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jun 29, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not all of their sacks came from the LE spot and you know that.

by d-jackfan10 on Jun 29, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn't vote

because I would take Babin or Edwards if the price was right.

"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson

by waterfield on Jun 29, 2011 8:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Our DLine is not good besides

Cole and Dixon

Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.

"The way I figure it, if my heads gonna pop off it's gonna pop off anyways" - Ellis Hobbs on the possibility of his neck breaking.

by MightyJoeBanner on Jul 1, 2011 8:24 AM EDT reply actions  

laws, bunkley, Parker, Tapp and graham..

there helped you on on what you missed there.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Jul 1, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

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