Looking At Marty Mornhinweg's QB Evaluation Method
Seth Wickersham wrote a great piece over on ESPN Insider last week about Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg and his method of QB evaluation. It's actually pretty simple and based on a widely available stat. Yards per attempt.
You simply take a QB's yards passing, divide it by the number of throws he made and you get your yards per attempt. It's a very simple, yet sensible way to measure how effective and efficient a QB is. It can also can give you some expectations as far as the passing game. After a large enough sample size, you've got an idea of how many yards you are likely to get per passing play called. It also correlates pretty well to success. 72 percent of the top five passers in yards per attempt over the past 10 years have led their team to the playoffs.
"That statistic not only correlates highly with winning and scoring, but it shows that you get big chunks of yardage in the passing game," he says.
Marty says that simply having a high completion percentage isn't particularly useful if you aren't making big plays.
"If the QB [has a 70 percent completion percentage] but is averaging 5 yards per attempt, that doesn't do a team any good," he says. "I like to take shots."
Last year, Michael finished fourth overall in yards per attempt behind Phillips Rivers, Aaron Rodgers and Ben Roethlisberger. Three of the four made the playoffs and two were in the Superbowl.
Of course, Marty's grades go beyond the simple YPA you'll find on any stats websites. He also backs it up with film review to get the real statistic. For instance, if a WR drops a pass, Marty says he will grade the up in that instance. So in reality, Michael Vick was averaging more than 8.1 yards per pass attempted. By the way, that's one to two yards better than he did in Atlanta.
After the jump, we take a look at some QBs who are deficient in the category and look at how some of the NFC East QBs fared. Also, how does the stat treat Kevin Kolb?
Below is a table of all the starting QBs from last year sorted by YPA. Some guys at the bottom are no surprise. Young QBs are rarely asked to air the ball out and that shows here. Jimmy Claussen had the lowest YPA and Sam Bradford wasn't far behind. Bradford got a lot of praise last year, but played in an extremely nerfed offense. Whether it was his inability or their unwillingness to try to make any plays downfield last year, the Rams offense clearly suffered from a lack of explosiveness. So while Bradford completed a solid 60% of his passes, he wasn't very efficient with them.
The biggest outlier would seem to be Matt Ryan, who puts up some gaudy numbers, but doesn't produce a lot of yards per attempt. He averaged only 6.5 YPA last year, which was the same mark he had in 2009. In the playoffs, "Matty Ice" sees his YPA drop to 5.6. Once again proving that he has the biggest misnomer of a nickname in the NFL.
As for the NFC East QBs, Tony Romo has a career YPA of 8 and leads the division. Dallas has always had weapons and been a team that likes to take shots. That shows here. Jon Kitna had a good 7.4 YPA last season in Romo's place.
Donovan McNabb has a career YPA of 6.9, but that jumped to 8 when he played under Marty Mornhinweg. His low career averaged is dragged down from some dismal YPAs early in his career when he was young and the Eagles offense didn't have a lot of weapons and was very dink and dunk.
Eli Manning is an interesting case because he has the lowest YPA in the division at 6.8, although like McNabb his career number is dragged down from some dismal marks early in his career. For several years he was barely managing six yards per attempt. However, these past few years have really trended up for him. He's averaged 7.7 yards per attempt over the past two seasons.
Kevin Kolb's YPA in games he has started is a very good 7.5. I did exclude that last Dallas game with all the backups because I don't really think that says anything about him as a QB, but if you did include it, his YPA drops to 7. That's still well above pretty much every young QB in the game. Actually, the one younger QB who does produce a lot of yards per attempt is Josh Freeman of the Bucs at 7.3 yards per attempt.
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Vince Young is a bit of a surprise to me.
Matt Ryan isn’t just because their offense is so incredibly boring. I wonder what it will look like with Julio Jones opposite Roddy White.
That Bucs team… man… if this draft and last draft work out and they nailed their early picks that is going to be a damn scary team in the not-so-distant future.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Jun 22, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions
Damn, with all the talk about the new coaches, I almost forgot about Marty.
The Falcons are going to be a force this year. I look forward to seeing their offense. That would be a cool NFC Championship game: Atlanta @ Philly - wow.
by thePurpleLion on Jun 22, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I should have singled him out. Young only started about half their games last year. So it’s not a big sample. His career YPA is only 6.8. So it’s not likely that he would have sustained that pace.
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Does anyone know how long Mornhinweg’s contract lasts? I tried to google it but I came up with jack.
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Not long enough.
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by h2o_34_35_44 on Jun 22, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
and this shows why “Matty Ice” and Sanchice are the two most overrated QBs in the NFL right now.
by Anders Jensen on Jun 22, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’m skeptical of any list that has McNabb rated over P Manning.
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by h2o_34_35_44 on Jun 22, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s just this year though. Manning had his lowest YPA in years last season. Career he’s at 7.6
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I personally like Marty, everybody can give all the credit to Reid all they want
but I think Marty has more to do with our O being so good than we truly know.
I would love to keep Marty for another 10 years along with Andy.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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I'm certain he's gonna be up for another go-round as a HC here in a couple years
and that’s if he doesn’t leave to go coach his son @ Stanford or something…
I think he feels comfortable here, though… that’s always a good thing.
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by Ralf E Chubbs on Jun 22, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd hate to coach my kid...
but yes I can see him being up for a HC position sometime soon.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
He'll yeah dude
He was green when he coached the lions…
Didn’t Bellichick coach the browns awfully until the Pats hired him?
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by Ralf E Chubbs on Jun 23, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Billicheck was the coach until the Pats got him and I believe he was piss poor then.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
FFS, the lockout needs to end. I’m betting that Marty can also tell you if it’s raining by sticking his hand out a window.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
LOL
I am sure he can,, it is not brain surgery and everyone has to to come up with this crazy scheme. basic’s overrule gimmick, lets get this shit started,, what we got about 2 weeks and we will be ready to go, everyone is getting the last minute vacations out the way and then on to football
ESPN did a best assistant coach list, and about 20 or so coaches got votes. Marty didn’t get a single vote, which is just ridiculous.
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Maybe because everyone assumes that Reid still calls the plays…which would sort of seem legit since the plays and frequency of them have been the same regardless of who the OC is.
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I think Reid lets Marty call a lot of them but he's got the power to veto anything.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
Drat
This made me remember how close we came to beating the Pack last year, and who knows what would have happened if we had…
I think I will be drinking tonight.
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Anyone else notice that in 6 games Tony Romo threw 7 picks
id say he was on pace to 20+ picks
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Do you hear that? That's the sound of the media ramming the Miracle at the New Meadowlands down your throat for the rest of your life...BAHAHAHAHA....
Did you count how many went off of the Receivers hands?
Roy Williams guarantees any QB at least 4 for the season and that is probably being nice. I have never seen a WR let so many balls go off of his hands, chest and face.
Miles Austin also had a couple go off of his fingers into opposing player’s hands.
Hopefully, from a Cowboy fan’s perspective, Tyron Smith plays well and Doug Free gets resigned. . . . Otherwise, it will be another year of 1, 2 and 3 step drops. . . . . Not a great formula for any football team.
So?
who care is they were off the WR’s hands.. A few of Vicks INT’s came off a WR mistake.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!
It happens, I understand that.
theaction was saying Romo was on pace for 20+ picks. That number is not all that valid if looking at his career stats.
There were explanations for many of the picks that were thrown, before he got hurt, many of the balls were well thrown, yet the WR failed to do his job correctly.
I don't get it
I keep hearing that its a long shot for the Eagles to sign Nnamdi, but there never give any real reasons why. The reason that seems to be most unanimous is that Nnamdi will cost too much and other teams will offer more than us. My question is….what team?
Cowboys can’t sign him because they would have to clear a couple contracts to do so including Newman. The Texans have openly stated they won’t pursue NA. The Jets can’t since half of their starters are FA this offseason including David Harris, both Holmes and Edwards, Erik and Brad Smith, Pool along with many others. The Seahawks said they won’t. The Steelers have confirmed they won’t. The Lions said they might (but its the Lions). GB has confirmed they won’t (and why would they?), Washington might (but would NA really want to go to the FA deadzone?). The only team I could see possibly giving us trouble for Nnamdi really are the Ravens.
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Hmmm
If you add back dropped passes, seems to me you need to factor in YAC somehow…I mean…how many people have a DJax?
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by 92-74-99-96 on Jun 22, 2011 6:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
YAC is a part of the total yards so its already a part of yards per attempt
by Anders Jensen on Jun 22, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m gonna guess this isn’t accounting for sacks?
Manning’s number will float up, since he only got sacked like a dozen times.
When you add sacks.
I picked a handful to illustrate this point.
Rivers – 8.7
Rodgers – 8.3
Roethlisberger – 8.2
Vick – 8.1
Brady – 7.9
Cutler – 7.6
Schaub – 7.6
P. Manning – 6.9
Clausen (for s&g) – 5.2
Those are some high numbers. Like, all-time, especially Rivers’s 8.7 YPA. But if you include sacks and sack yardage…
Rivers – 7.74
Rodgers – 7.37
Brady – 7.2
Roethlisberger – 7.07
Vick – 6.91
P. Manning – 6.63
What this tells us is that Vick got sacked. A lot. He got sacked 34 times while actually attempting only 372 passes. Philip Rivers, conversely, got sacked 38 times with 541 attempts. And Manning, above all, only got sacked 16 times with 679 attempts.
Qualitatively, it appears not to matter too much. Quantitatively, this is a more precise way to measure things. To illustrate further, take Matt Schaub and Jay Cutler. Without including sacks, the YPA are identical. When you include sacks…
Schaub – 6.84
Cutler – 6.03
Schaub was 32/574, Cutler was 52/432. 52 freakin’ sacks!
And just because I couldn’t resist, when including sacks:
Clausen – 4.02
That means there were a bunch of running backs who averaged more per carry than Clausen did per pass.
by Eagle Fly Free on Jun 23, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Is 4.02 Clausen's IQ
Only kidding, I think it is the IQ of the Carolina GM for taking Clausen early in the 2nd, Cam Newton #1 Overall and they will probably pick Luck next year (since they will still be horrible).
Marty looks like Kenny Shea from Rescue Me in that picture..
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