PFF: Jason Peters Was One Of The Best Pass Blocking LTs In The NFL Last Year
by JasonB on Jun 14, 2011 12:00 PM EDT
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Pro Football Focus has been continuing their series on pass blocking and QB pressures for the past few weeks and today they published a list of the most efficient pass blocking tackles in the NFL. Their formula is fairly simple and encompasses all the bad things that could happen when a pass blocker faces a pass rusher. A sack, a hit or a hurry. They weight these differently and divide them by the total number of pass protection snaps. For more on the formula, definitely check out the article.
Focusing on the Eagles however, the news is good. Among left tackles, Jason Peters ranked 7th in the NFL in their pass protection efficiency metric. Eagles fans probably won't be surprised at this f they watched him the second half of last year. Peters was dominant. It was noticeable given how he had played in 2009 and for parts of the first half of 2010.
Two years ago, he made the pro bowl, but it may very well have been on reputation. He took too many penalties and was inconsistent in pass protection. Early last year, we saw some of the same problems, however after he had midseason knee surgery, he came back looking like a different player. The penalties were dramatically decreased, as was any pressure coming from his side. If he comes into next season fully healthy, he could very well find himself even higher on this list.
Also on the top LTs list was Cowboys' Doug Free, who finished in 5th. Among the bottom 15 as far as pass blocking efficiency? Giants LT David Diehl (third worst) and Washington's Trent Williams (9th worst).
On the other side, Winston Justice did not show up on the top or the bottom lists, but one Eagles RT surprisingly did. King Dunlap. To qualify for the list, a tackle had to have been a part of 200 pass plays. Dunlap evidently was and performed rather well. He showed up as the 13th most efficient pass blocking RTs in the NFL.
The Giants' Kareem McKenzie graded out as the second best. Cowboys' Marc Colombo (6th worst) and Redskins' Stephon Heyer (8th worst) made the bottom 15.
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Isn’t King Dunlap the kind of tackle that fits Mudd’s scheme?
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by Mikesta on Jun 14, 2011 12:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I actually feel OK with King as a backup. He had that one game where he came in for Winston in relief against the Niners, and Justin Smith absolutely abused him. But other than that, he wasn’t bad. You’d never know it, but he started 5 games last year – Atl, @Ten, @Dal, @NYG, and Dal.
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He shut down John Abraham completely. The funny thing is that he was considered a 1st round talent but dropped significantly because he was lazy and had a bad rap sheet. Those 2 things haven’t affected him here so I don’t see why he can’t live up to his intial expectations.
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Tony Dungy should really speak to him…
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by BWestFactor on Jun 14, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!!!
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King Dunlap was terrible at Auburn, he was benched in his senior year.
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Yes, after an astonishing first few years. But look at him. Just another head-case O-lineman that the Eagles take on? When oh when did that ever happen before? Can you say Andrews Sisters? He was Castillo’s pick. I wonder if Mudd would have picked him. Or if he’ll keep him. He sure has a high center of gravity. We’ll see.
Believe me, I want to see King Dunlop and Winston Justice become pro-bowlers and I haven’t given up on Winston because he was good before he was injured. The King rose to some pretty tough demands when called on last season, but both of them have also had horrible games. If Mudd dumped either of them, I would feel bad for them, but be OK with it. As for MJG, if there is still a slot for a backup at the end of camp (all 48 hours of it), fine, but he’s no starter. Not for a team the wants a championship. And I’d rather see a better backup than him in there.
How does he rank among RTs? I see him as a RT since he’s not protecting Vick’s blindside and isn’t going up against the opposing team’s best pass rusher
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How does he rank among RTs?
Who?
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Right Tackles
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Haha, no I meant who as in what player? Peters?
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I consider Peters a RT. I curious to see how he would rank among other RTs
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I think that’s somewhat unfair. He’s still facing the best pass rushers in the game, and the Eagles almost never give him any help. They stick him out on an island and say “OK, stop DeMarcus Ware 30 times all by yourself.”
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Lol, he’s asking about Peters or Dunlap. I know you meant Peters but he still blocked most of the best rushers. Most of the best rushers rush from the right no matter what. Osi, Ware, Allen, Peppers(mostly from right), Freeney all rushed against Peters last year.
Yeah, teams won’t move their entire D Line around against a lefty QB. The RDE (or ROLB) will still stay on that side. Peters is still facing the best of the best. The only difference is that Vick can see the pressure coming from that side better.
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Another note: In the first Giants game, they set a “blueprint” on how to contain Vick. They blitzed a lot from Peters side to flush Vick out to his right which he struggles with. Since that game, teams mimicked that and blitz more from the left side. Even with the added pressure, Peters finished with just 2 sacks and 3 holds given up all year. After returning from the knee injury, he was nearly unbeatable. PFF got this one right.
Teams don’t always switch their best rusher to the QB’s blind side. Usually those guys get comfortable on a side and stay over there. He isn’t facing any lesser competition because Vick is a lefty.
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Vick is left handed so if Dunlap were to play RT then he’ll be protecting his blind side.
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by Mikesta on Jun 14, 2011 12:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Samething but for Guards and Centers
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/14/2010-pass-blocking-efficiency-guards-and-centers/
Nick Cole is the worst Ranked Guard and Mike McGlynn didn’t rank much better for centers. Hopefully having JamJack back and Watkins in there the line will look better.
Unsurprised to see Shaun O’Hara as 3rd worst.
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…although not so sure how seriously I can take this with Herremans not in the Top 20.
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It seems like a lot of the middle-tier guards are fairly mashed together in the middle – can’t say there would be a whole lot of difference between, say, the 80th and 50th percentiles.
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by alcatraz0109 on Jun 14, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably not and I suspect it’s much harder to judge when a guard has done his job as opposed to a tackle. It’s usually pretty clear who the tackle is supposed to handle. It’s not always so with an interior lineman.
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I’d have to agree. I don’t really think this metric isn’t as effective for grading interior linemen as it is for tackles.
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by alcatraz0109 on Jun 14, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I have started to dislike PFF.
Their work is not consistent across the board and some are just downright garbage. Todd Herremans was a pro-bowl alternate(no, it’s not just a popularity contest. You still have to be good) and we all saw how good he was yet he is not even in the top 20. Maurkice Pouncey is a pro-bowler and Pittsburgh’s line is not nearly the same yet they are saying he is one of the worst guards in the NFL. I have seen him play, dude is going to be All- Pro. Anything that they assign a value to according to their made up grading system and stats is heavily flawed. They interpret way too much and favor certain players over others. Their “catchable balls” classifications , pass rushing productivity, pass blocking efficiency and all these other shit they make up are flawed, non-informative and just plain worthless. They are just good for getting numbers like snap counts, penalties, DB stats and just raw numbers. Anything involving some sort of grading and evaluation, they shit the bed.
None of this comes as any shock
As I watched iggles games last year, it surprised me to see Peters being as dominant as he was. I had always considered him overrated as hell, but I take that back.
Also not surprised with the Giants’ rankings. Already knew Diehl at LT was a steaming pile of doodoo, and that Kareem McKenzie played like a top 5 tackle last year.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Jun 14, 2011 1:18 PM EDT reply actions
In 2010
You would have to be blind to see that the interior offensive line was a real problem for the Eagles. Also, when Herrimans came back from injury you could see how much better his side of the line played. Herrimans is a very good guard considering he is built much more like a OT than an OG. One has to wonder if Peters improved play was also the result of getting Herrimans back in there as well as the knee surgery.
I felt bad for Justice. He was playing next to a less than average OG and apparently his knee started to give him fits during the year inhibiting his anchor and mobility. I believe that when healthy he can be a solid, if not pro-bowl contributor to the right side of the line. One hopes that the guard that they drafted will help anchor that side of the line and that Jackson will be able to resume his solid play – which I understand may be at issue due to the length of his recovery.
Peters
Will fucking love Mudd’s new system. He will get to punish people on every snap.
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I am interested to see if these stats account for 1 on 1 blocking or skills players chipping in
For example we all know that Jason Peters gets very little assistance and is pretty much always 1 on 1 with anyone he faces, however on the regardless of RT we saw Celek staying in and blocking a LOT more this year than last, especially when Justice injured his knee and when King Dunlap was starting.
Dunlap did ok, he didn’t blow the world away (but hey he was a 7th round pick), but was dependable but not as good as a healthy Justice.
This is just weird
By pretty much everyone’s account our OL was a major letdown last year.
Even so Dunlap and Justice, who were both supposedly DONE two years ago, both performed well by most accounts. Peters is considered an excellent LT. Supposedlly Herremans is a very good LG, Mike McGlynn was by most accounts quite a good replacement for Jackson at center, and MJG, while considered the weakest link on the line, didn’t suck outright.
So where is the problem? Somehow, with all of these quality players, the line still got MV turned into pudding on a regular basis. Can someone who understands these things better than I explain to me that with all of this solid talent, how the line is still mostly ineffective?
So where is the problem? Somehow, with all of these quality players, the line still got MV turned into pudding on a regular basis. Can someone who understands these things better than I explain to me that with all of this solid talent, how the line is still mostly ineffective?
Winston Justice is awful. Mike McGlynn was not an adequate Jackson replacement and Nick Cole was awful last year.
The entire right side of the line struggled last year, the only time the right side even looked reasonably decent was when MJG and King Dunlap were playing.
Combine that with Michael Vick practically running into sacks, holding the ball too long, getting happy feet and running around and the talent looked even worse than it was. Vick makes our offensive line much, much worse than it would be with a decent pocket passer.
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That being said you have to line up cause and effect
At the beginning of the season, Vick trusted his line, took a few sacks and didn’t get “happy feet”. However after getting injured and pummelled in some games as MJG, Cole & that Arizona cast-off turned into revolving doors, he started turning back into the old run first Vick we saw in Atlanta.
At the end of the day the left side of our line was excellent, McGlynn was an adequate starter, but RG was a shambles and Justice was on one leg for half the season. Seeing as a 1 legged man and a revolving door was on Vicks blindside, I am not surprised he got happy feet!
by Brawnybalboa on Jun 14, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Then I’m not crazy. This article is Bull Hockey. You can’t sugar coat this Offensive Line.
I am all for Justice if he can play to the level necessary, but Runyan played RT on one leg and no one barely noticed. Granted, it’s Vick’s blind side, not McNabb’s but let’s face facts guys. 3/5 of the OL was not acceptable last season. Enuff of the fluffy, feel good articles. These guys didn’t do the job. They lost Kolb his starting job by getting him injured and then they got Vick injured, too. And for the rest of season the poor convict got pasted more times than arts and crafts class in Kindergarten.
The offensive line had better buck up this year or Vick will be done. He’s too old to take the physical abuse any more seasons like last season.
And in case anyone takes umbrage to my post, please look up my “I blame the coaches” post from early last season. Obviously Andy read it and agreed. He got rid of a lot of crap this off season.
You’re not crazy but Michael Vick didn’t help things at all, the guy created so much pressure for himself too. The o-line was bad but not as bad as Vick made it look.
With Jamaal Jackson coming back and Danny Watkins being here there should be a big improvement this coming year.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
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by d-jackfan10 on Jun 14, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
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