Going Down that Dangerous Road of Free Agency and Why The Eagles Should Say No to Nnamdi Asomugha
by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 6:26 PM EDT
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Print[Note by JasonB, 05/08/11 6:26 PM EDT ] Promoted from fanposts. An interesting counterpoint on the Asomugha debate
Before you rip me apart for saying we shouldn't go after the best cover corner in the league and team up two of the 3 best corners in the game together, let me give you two words- WASHINGTON REDSKINS. BOOM! My explanation of why I despise building a team up through free agency....
Every single year a small but loud minority of Eagles fans demand that we sign some big free agent and every single year we pass on said free agent and every single year for the most part, we are competitive in the NFC. There never is a huge number of impact free agents each offseason so the supply is low but the demand is always high. This is a "what have you done for me lately" league, you have to win now. Owners and fans alike don't want to wait on the young homegrown players to develop, they want guys who can help the team win now. Those players that are acquired through free agency are always overpaid and usually disappoint, if not in the first year they will disappoint in the second or third year.
Let's take a look at our friends from DC. In 2000, they signed Jeff George to a 4 year, 18 million dollar deal in which he played in a grand total or 8 games, and about half of those was mop up duty in blow outs. In 2002 they signed my favoirte linebacker of all time, Jeremiah Trotter to a 5 year 35 million dollar deal in which he only lasted 2 years. In 1998, they signed Dana Stubbelfield to a 56+ million dollar deal after he won Defensive Player of the Year in 1997, he had a whopping 7 sacks in 3 seasons before being let go. In 2000, the Skins signed Deion Past his Prime Sanders to a 7 year 56 million dollar deal where he never lived up to his hype and was an unwilling tackler. I didn't have to mention the Haynesworth deal to show how bad free agency has been to the Skins.
The 2010 Chicago Bears are going to be a team that people throw out as a good example of improving your team through free agency. Last year they signed Julius Peppers to a 6 years 91+ million dollar deal with over 40 mil guaranteed. No doubt Peppers made a huge impact in 2010, but he is 31 years old already and will be declining in his career will make more than any other player on the team. I think this was a great short-term move by the Bears, but they will be hurt in the long-term as they have had a lot of bad drafts and that's according to Bears fans I've talked to, not just me.
We have to upgrade at the RCB position, but their are plenty of options. First of all, we nearly beat the Superbowl champs even though the right side of our O-line was beyond awful, Vick was bad beaten at the end of the season, we were one of the worst redzone offenses and defenses, we had no QB pressure from our D-line, and we missed two crucial field goals against the Pack in the playoffs. The line will be improved on both sides with coaching legends Howard Mudd and Jim Washburn. The kicking game will be no worse with maybe the best rookie kicker singe Mason Crosby. Juan Castillo had the confidence of Jim Johnson back when he was our DC so I have no doubt that he will fix our redzone woes. So with that being said, we don't have to have a pro bowl CB come in in order to compete with the big boys, but we have to improve at that position.
There's younger and cheaper options on the free agent market if we have to go that route, Jonathon Joseph, Brent Grimes and Richard Marshall could all be available. The guy I think we should get is Dominique Rogers-Cromartie of the Arizona Cardinals. It was reported earlier in the week that the Eagles will probably receive a starter and a first round pick for Quarterback Kevin Kolb. The only starter that really makes sense is DRC. The Cards drafted Patrick Peterson and are very high on CB Greg Toler. DRC is currently halfway through his rookie deal that is worth a reported 6 year 16 million dollar deal. He is cheaper than Nnamdi, and has about 7 years of his best football still left in him. He also is a ballhawk like Asante, and would greatly benefit from playing opposite of Samuel. The only question remains, will Arizona actually deal their 2008 first round pick along with their 2012 first round pick.
Currently we have 23 players on our offense and 24 players on defense that we have drafted, and that's not even including our undrafted players. We aren't the New York Yankees, we build our team through the draft and that's why we stay competitive every single year. It works for the Yankees because they technically have no salary cap in baseball. The Green Bay Packers are another example of how building your team through the draft is the best way to go. Patriots are another good example along with the Colts. Championships are not won in free agency and Andy Reid an co. knows that. That is why I believe we will pass on Nnamdi Asomugha and a good portion of people on BGN will bitch and moan, but secretly thank our front office in a couple years.
Now if Nnamdi is willing to take less money and years to play for a contender like us, then it would be a great move. But maybe Brian Dawkins will come back to the Eagles in his prime and maybe the Flyers will win the 2011 Stanley Cup. My point is, it's not going to happen. He will get many lucrative offers from teams that say they are ready to compete for a Superbowl. The Lions are going to say "Hey, look at our offense and look at our D-line, your the missing link". Teams will break their backs to get Nnamdi and prove to him they can win if that is actually is number one priority. A guy that signed that ridiculous contract to play for Oakland and Al Davis is probably going to chase the money.
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We need free agency... All this free time to explore reality is depressing
"you cannot think this 6-foot man is going to survive a full season if defenses have 904 chances to knock his block off"
by EaglesandRavensFan on May 7, 2011 9:51 PM EDT reply actions
So because the Redskins and Bears overpaid for FA you don’t want us to go after the best corner in the NFL? Just because other franchises make mistakes in FA doesn’t mean we will, most (and I could make an argument of all) of our big FA signings during the AR era work out for us.
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"For Who? My teammates. For What? To win" - Aaron Rowand
by Clint Eastwood on May 7, 2011 9:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Here we go
Terrell Owens, though he was a trade, blow up in our face in year 2.
Jevon Kearse was way overrated, really only one decent year.
Stacy Andrews was horrible.
Levon Kirkland and Takeo Spikes sucked.
Asante Samuel was a great pickup because there wasn’t a bidding war, he wanted to play for us.
Jason Peters was a trade and he was still young at the time, and actually relatively still is.
Jeff Garcia was a one year fix as our backup so that doesn’t count.
Leonard Weaver waa a good pickup but his contract was very reasonable.
To sum up, twice we went after a big name free agent and we failed on Jevon Kearse and succeeded on Asante Samuel.
Mike Florio, Mark Buerle, Michael Young, Jemele Hill- you have all tried to bring down the Eagles player and fans by way of your awful aritcles and ignorant tweets. Your all in the Axis of Evil.
by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 7, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
no way
TO was a steal .. and should be put on the great move list since he took us to a superbowl
No he DID NOT
This is something I always expect outsiders to say not faithfuls… Check the stats TO was out for about 7 games and missed all of the play-offs. The coaches and defense (JJ!) took us to the Super Bowl….
by Dr Phil E Fan on May 8, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
huh?
TO only missed 2 games the year we went to the the SB
by Mt Airy Groove on May 9, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Going off memory, TO missed the last 4 games of the regular season and all of the playoff games leading up to the Superbowl. He did NOT get us there, though you could argue he helped us get a higher seed.
by BreckBirds20 on May 9, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
First of all, dude was talking about '05 not '04
You should almost have your fan cards checked at the door if you can’t tell the difference :)
TO and the eight other Pro Bowlers that got hurt that year sunk ’05.
Second of all, T.O. didn’t miss 4 regular season games, he played all the meaningful games (we were 13-1 when he played, not including the SB).
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Bottom Line
He only played in the SB not the Play-offs…. I have put him behind me and rather forget he poisoned our team…
by Dr Phil E Fan on May 9, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
TO was a trade and it blew up in our face in year two. Great for us for one year.
Mike Florio, Mark Buerle, Michael Young, Jemele Hill- you have all tried to bring down the Eagles player and fans by way of your awful aritcles and ignorant tweets. Your all in the Axis of Evil.
by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
TO WAS A FREE AGENT...
His agent fkd up and didn’t file the papers to make him a free agent and it was a cluster fk…..therefore we had to give something to both the Ravens and the 49ers….get it right..
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on May 8, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
NO HE WASN’T YOU CANNOT TRADE FOR A FREE AGENT. His agent messed up the paperwork and therefore he was no longer a FA when we got him.
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It was both actually kind of
SF tried to trade him to the Ravens for a 2nd round pick even though technically he was a free agent, the Niners had to give that pick back. We gave the Niners DE Brandon Whiting and a 5th round pick for the rights to Owens.
Mike Florio, Mark Buerle, Michael Young, Jemele Hill- you have all tried to bring down the Eagles player and fans by way of your awful aritcles and ignorant tweets. Your all in the Axis of Evil.
by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
We "traded" for him to ASSURE we got him....didn't wait for the arbritrator....
PHILADELPHIA (March 16, 2004) — Terrell Owens will get his wish to play for the Philadelphia Eagles, following a settlement reached before an arbitrator could rule on the star receiver’s case to become a free agent.
The San Francisco 49ers, Baltimore Ravens and Eagles agreed to a deal to send Owens to Philadelphia, which will sign him to a seven-year contract.
The Eagles sent a fifth-round draft pick to Baltimore and defensive end Brandon Whiting to San Francisco. The Ravens get back the second-round pick they sent to the 49ers for Owens.
“If the arbitrator ruled he was a free agent, he could have gone anywhere. This was the Eagles assuring that he came to them,” said Gene Upshaw, executive director of the NFL Players’ Association.
Owens, who spent eight sometimes controversial seasons with San Francisco, was supposed to become a free agent March 3. But his agent, David Joseph, failed to file papers voiding the final years of his contract by a Feb. 21 deadline.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on May 8, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Meaning he wasn’t ever a free agent. Thank you for proving me right.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
sure, if you say so...
he wasn’t a free agent…and the trade that was accepted by the league wasn’t taken away from the Ravens either….
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on May 8, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not me saying so, it’s just the truth. Can you trade a FA? No. Was TO traded? Yes. Was TO a FA…….? No
It is as simple as that. He might have been in a few days, but he never reached Free Agency, and there for was never a free agent. I am right, and you are wrong.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
yep you got it...
the TRADE for a second rounder wasn’t taken away because the league knew he was going to become a free agent….and to appease the Ravens didn’t make us give them something along w/ the 49ers to force a 3 player trade to save face and appease the Ravens….
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on May 8, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
There are no winners when the argument is retarded.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Screw being the holder, I wanna be called the quarterback of the field goal team.
by KByars on May 8, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
We won’t go for nnamdi and we may not go for any fa corners …lindley has shown great potential and as you stated we did well last year with essentially no rcb
Nnamdi takes half the field out of the game but you’d rather have Lindley?
"I'd like to thank my hands for being so great." - Freddie Mitchell
"For Who? My teammates. For What? To win" - Aaron Rowand
by Clint Eastwood on May 7, 2011 10:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nnamdi will take away half the field for one maybe two more years but we will still be on the hook for 25-30 million dollars after that. Bottom line, he’s great for the short-term, but awful for the long term. I don’t want one Superbowl followed by 10 years of losing because we can’t resign key players.
Mike Florio, Mark Buerle, Michael Young, Jemele Hill- you have all tried to bring down the Eagles player and fans by way of your awful aritcles and ignorant tweets. Your all in the Axis of Evil.
by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 7, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Why will he last only two to three years? A ball hasn’t been thrown his way for the last 5 years. I don’t think he’ll decline that quickly.
"I'd like to thank my hands for being so great." - Freddie Mitchell
"For Who? My teammates. For What? To win" - Aaron Rowand
by Clint Eastwood on May 8, 2011 8:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He will only last 2-3 ears as a CB who shutsdown half the field and if he doesn’t shut down half the field he will be drastically overpaid
You still didnt answer the question. Nobody has thrown in direction for the last 5 years. So why would he decline like a normal corner?
"I'd like to thank my hands for being so great." - Freddie Mitchell
"For Who? My teammates. For What? To win" - Aaron Rowand
by Clint Eastwood on May 8, 2011 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
because everyone is human
he will decline, not to the level of a normal corner but he will decline it is almost guaranteed he will begin to decline maybe only to top 10 corner status but he will have a contract of being the number 1 corner so he will be overpaid, he will decline just as every other player in NFL history has declined because they are all human
I'll make this argument.
If he’s going to shut down half the field for 2-3 years, and Asante’s going to shut down his side for 2-3 years… Wouldn’t it be worth a big contract? You forget teams set up contracts to get either redone or dumbed 3-4 years into the deal…
So it’d be completely worth it to get Nnamdi.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
by wild_eagle on May 8, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps
but as has been mentioned other places Nnamdi will be in such a high demand that we may not have the ability to structure the contract in that manner because he can just say no and go somewhere else.
If the contract was structured to be redone or dumped 3-4 years in then I would be perfectly fine with it but I don’t believe that, that would be completely possible
Why are WE so concerned about overpaying?
There’s overpaying that hamstrings a team’s ability to field a competitive team in the future, and then there’s overpaying to make sure you get the player you need to put you over the top.
I firmly believe NA would be in the second group here, but the Eagles FO would never let it become a situation like the first.
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by D3Keith on May 8, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
CS if I'm reading you correctly
You’re saying that we’ll get 2-3 seasons of best corner in the league, and then a couple seasons of top 10 corner?
Sounds pretty great to me. Overpay please.
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but at what cost
we could possibly lose much because of that, its not overpaying im worried about its overpaying on the epic proportion that Nnamdi will get somewhere else but not here because we wont sign him
Dude, Julius Peppers got overpaid and it worked pretty well for the Bears.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
Ridiculous question
Chicago had some problems, DE wasn’t one of them. You can’t expect one man to win a team a superbowl, especially a defensive player.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
David K said defensive end WASN"T one chicago’s major problems. Corner back IS one PHI’s major problems, and would go a long way to getting us towards a SB considering all the other pieces we have in place.
by Eaglesadvocate on May 9, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but
we don’t need a Nnamdi at RCB to win the Super Bowl and getting someone like DRC who is cheaper and will be around longer makes more sense if Nnamdi’s contract gets to the outrageous size i think it will
if it doesn’t get that large then yes we should get him
Other options are available
and getting DRC would be great. But getting Nnamdi would be great too especially since we are one of teams with the most cap room. Why are you so against spending money on the best corner in the game when we have tons to spend? I’ll take him as a top 5 corner for two or three years and pay him for 4 or 5. And there will likely be a clause that give the option to cut him after a few years if his production declines. And if not, then there is always the option of cutting him if he becomes so overpaid that he is not worth it.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
because
I am assuming he will break records with his new contract and i don’t want to set that precedent for the team or tie up that much money when its not needed
CB's a need..
so getting a CB is needed.. Therefore spending the money is needed.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
I'm actually pretty good with Economics..
Although I’d say this..
Nnamdi is like GE (the backbone of moderns technology and society) which is a large company which is in everything. GE has been around for 130+ years.. It’s safe to say that it may never go away and it’ll be consistent…
Joseph, Grimes, Ike Taylor, DRC are all like small business who while successful haven’t quite made the jump, and don’t seem like they’re going to make the jump to GE’s level..
Nnamdi is big business.. The rest are Small.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
CB is a need
but having a Top-3 Corner is not needed we just need a solid starter to pro bowl level player
he won't set record with his contract
outside of his position. Might set a FA cornerback contract record but please…. I’d be just fine with that. If this team struggled with FA signings or was tight on our cap room, I’d 100% agree with you. But as a team that has a gaping hole at CB and plenty of money to spend, signing Nnamdi could be the best move we make this entire offseason.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
Peppers wasn't the missing piece to Chicago's D,,
The missing piece to our D is a CB..
So why not get the best?
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Don't you realize as of right now
(1) There’s no salary cap.. There may never be one again after this CBA.
(2) Even if there were a salary cap we’ve got over 100mill of space to work with for this year alone..
He cannot cost too much unless he’s asking some ridiculous amount no team will be able to ever meet.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
by wild_eagle on May 9, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
most likely
if there is a season there will be a cap
we do not have 100 million in cap space and we need to resign lots of players real soon and it would be nice to be able to sign both our firsts next year and maybe a Vet safety or LB or LDE and possibly RT not all but one or two so i would rather have 3 good FA’s then 1 superstar FA
Looks like we'd have 45mill or so in cap space to work with
signing some RFA’s and FA’s. That’s plenty of money to get Nnamdi.
i would rather have 3 good FA’s then 1 superstar FA
And this is why I question your knowledge of the Eagles… The Eagles were 1 CB away from winning 2-3 more games last season. Nnamdi’s a difference maker who outweighs 3 good FA’s.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
and we were
a bad pass by Vick from advancing in the playoffs getting a allstar corner doesn’t guarentee anything especially since when it mattered it was our run D and our offense that lost the game not our pass D. and the Titans game was lost because our capable starter got hurt and both Nnamdi and Asante can get hurt so i would rather have more good players throughout the lineup so we can win even with injuries or down days by some players rather then bank on 1 allstar
Umm..
a bad pass by Vick from advancing in the playoffs
Yeah and a few defensive stands from making it to where Vick didn’t have to force a bad pass… If the D didn’t put him in a position like that we’d be fine.
getting a allstar corner doesn’t guarentee anything especially since when it mattered it was our run D and our offense that lost the game not our pass D.
Getting a few “Good” FA’s doesn’t guarantee anything either.. Nnamdi bring more than they do to the table.. Also you’re wrong, if we had a RCB We would’ve won that game. their Pass D destroyed us.
and the Titans game was lost because our capable starter got hurt and both Nnamdi and Asante can get hurt so i would rather have more good players throughout the lineup so we can win even with injuries or down days by some players rather then bank on 1 allstar
Honestly bro? So you want the Drop off to be smoother? Newsflash! Asante, Lindley, Marsh and Hanson are pretty much guaranteed roster spots.. So whether the 2nd CB is Joseph or Nnamdi the drop off is going to fall to Lindley or Hanson (maybe Marsh) anyway so why not get the best?
Also buddy you’re being ignorant. You’re forgetting the fact anybody we put in there can get hurt, you’re not willing to bank on an allstar because “he’s to much money”…. It’s pretty well accepted that we’re a RCB away from being SB contenders, spend the money and get the job done right rather than taping the steering column together with some duct tape.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
the fact remains
that when it came down to the clutch moment it was Vick that choked not our D, our D did better that game then most especially against a team like the packers
I disagree the Nnamdi love is getting ridiculous at this point several Good to pro bowl level FAs are better then having Nnamdi this is a team sport and RCB did not lose the playoff game it was Akers, Run D, and Vick that lost that game
you totally misread that, i would rather get FA’s through several positions like QB, LB, RCB, RG, RT, LDE with our money rather then throw it all at RCB and we are going to have 2 firsts next year i would like to be able to sign them as well its not about depth at RCB its about depth everywhere on the roster
who said anything about duct tape? i simply want Cadillac steering column, struts, engine, and hub assemblies instead of a Mercedes steering column
I am sick and tired of hearing this we are a RCB away from competing crap its BS and everyone who pays any attention would realize that, we made the playoffs we are super bowl contenders, we won our division we are super bowl contenders, we were the team closest to beating the champions we are super bowl contenders…we are super bowl contenders period
Umm
that when it came down to the clutch moment it was Vick that choked not our D, our D did better that game then most especially against a team like the packers
Our D put him in a position where he had to force the pass.. Can’t expect Vickmagic every single week, quit bashing Vick to try and prove some dumb, incorrect point you’ve been trying to defend… Secondly, no we didn’t do well at all against GB.
I disagree the Nnamdi love is getting ridiculous at this point several Good to pro bowl level FAs are better then having Nnamdi this is a team sport and RCB did not lose the playoff game it was Akers, Run D, and Vick that lost that game
Umm, Really? Who’s a probowler who’s going to be out there that’s not an RFA under the 2010 rules??? Huh? Nobody at a position of need aside from Nnamdi….
I am sick and tired of hearing this we are a RCB away from competing crap its BS and everyone who pays any attention would realize that, we made the playoffs we are super bowl contenders, we won our division we are super bowl contenders, we were the team closest to beating the champions we are super bowl contenders…we are super bowl contenders period
Sorry we were in the Wildcard.. that doesn’t make us superbowl contenders.. there were a shit ton more teams who were better than us… Winning our division makes us SB contenders? Nope sorry wrong again… We’re not legit superbowl contenders yet, we’re 1 piece away and that piece is RCB.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Vick Magic?
to throw a half decent fade to the end zone thats not Vick magic its a pass any decent college QB makes 80% of the time and Vick makes it probably 95% of the time im not bashing Vick but seriously he had a chance to win the game and didnt and yes if our defense is the best ever our offense wouldn’t need to score but really football is a team sport and we were in position to win with the ball in the team leaders hand he is supposed to win, thats what defines a great QB
Good to Pro Bowl and we don’t know whos RFA yet and whos not so thats up in the air but there will be good players out there and we still have to resign our team in not too many years
and you are flat wrong we contended for the super bowl by being in the playoffs just like the cardnials who supposedly sucked yet almost won and the giants who shouldnt have been on the field with the pats and won you get to the playoffs you are contenders period you get to the playoffs 75% of the time you are serious contenders and anything else is simple denial of the reality of the game
Vick Magic refers to all the comebacks he spearheaded.
So what he failed on 1.. He had like 5-6 comebacks in consecutive weeks.
Umm I said under 2010 rules.. We know who the RFA’s are under 2010 rules.
Cards and Giants made it to the superbowl.. We haven’t since 04.. You’re fighting a losing battle.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
I am not losing anything
because every minute brings the lockout one minute closer to ending when we all win and one minute closer to the eagles not signing Nnamdi for better or worse
2010 rules aren’t really relevant to what the rules will be so i’ll wait, but i still want to resign most of our team over the next 5 years and our 2 firsts next year.
the Cards and Giants had “non-contender” teams just like us and the Packers were a 6 seed we were a 3 seed who screwed ourselves out of a 2 seed
Vick was average after the giants game and with the exception of the fourth quarter he wasn’t all that great in that game, i blame the oline as much as anything but thats what happened and that throw wasn’t a miracle come back it was a routine throw he messed up proving once again it takes as much luck as skill to win a super bowl
Isn’t there a chance that there won’t be a cap this year, meaning we can front-load NA’s contract so it doesn’t blow up the cap when it resumes?
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Screw being the holder, I wanna be called the quarterback of the field goal team.
I don't think so
They will begin negotiate a new CBA deal once all the courtroom drama is done. I think the owners and GM’s know that there will be a salary cap this season. If not the Cowboys could be the biggest contender to get Nnamdi because they bring in the most money of any other franchise.
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by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, there's a chance of that
The longer the court crap drags on, the more likely it is that 2011 will be played under 2010’s cap-free rules.
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This fact alone...
Is perhaps the most understated point on this blog. It negates a lot of the negatives of doing this deal. You can’t compare it to any of the redskins moves if the contract is frontloaded.
Also, there is no doubt that other teams will offer him a longer, more lucrative contract. The question is if he wants to play here and win now.
If nnamdi wanted the best deal and only cared about the money then he would have resigned with the raiders and gotten another huge deal already. They had the money and instantly gave it to other players when nnamdi didn’t resign.
by cin7 on May 9, 2011 6:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
if i built a one year team
i would take nnamdi any day of the week over lindley if i was building a team to win now and tomorrow and 5 years from now and i had to deal with a cap i don’t know what i would do because i don’t get to see lindley practice but i do not think Andy will go for nnamdi other then to drive up the price
Lindley is not ready to be a starter.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on May 7, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
depends
at last years level no, but lets not forget lots of players breakout from year one to two and while its not something i would bank on if andy is confident in his improvement then he might go with it; also, all that is needed is for him to be ready come playoff time because we proved we can make it to the playoffs lacking a stud CB
remember
this offseason is dramatically different…don’t expect that same jump with mini camps and training camp in jeopardy
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by jalarsen1 on May 8, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes
this is true but lindley may still be ready and perhaps the length of the lockout will determine whether or not the eagles make a play for Nnamdi but with cheaper options and not having a need to have an All-Pro at RCB in order to win and contend the eagles will not get Nnamdi
Yeah I really don't think anybody but Watkins
will start right away.
Jaiqwawn Jarrett sounds like a guy the Eagles FO wishes would start right away, but could lose out without the minicamps. Depending on the health of Nate Allen and the status of Marlin Jackson, our best bet might still be to bring Q back there.
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Lindley is a project
some upside, but hardly the guy we should go into the season with penciled in as the starter
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by jalarsen1 on May 8, 2011 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was a fourth rounder and didn’t do anything special last year. There’s no guarantee he’ll ever be a starter.
While I agree that Lindley's a project..
He’s got loads of upside. Back in 2008 he was projected to go top 20-25, but he chose to stay at Kentucky. While at Kentucky he held Harvin, Julio Jones, AJ Green (among a few) in check game in and game out… Now fast forward to the pro’s, in limited in the SF game he had a game sealing pick, he shut down Miles Austin TWICE, and only had a few “rookie mistakes” in the Bears game..
While I agree that we should give Lindley some more time to grow and learn, and that we shouldn’t go into next season with him penciled in as the starter I would not and will not be upset if he was the starter Week 1.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
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I wouldn’t say he’s got a lot of upside. People may fuss about Watkins’ upside since he’s already 26, but Lindley is only 16 months younger; he doesn’t have much time to grow either.
If he could become a decent slot CB/modestly good RCB (better than Hobbs) I’d call it a fair return from a 4th rounder.
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He's got a lot of upside.. I think he'll be starting sooner rather than later.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
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Thing is, if we sign Nnamdi to 5 years, will he ever start here? Probably not.
Asante’s and Lindley’s deals both expire in 2013. The only way he starts is if the Eagles FO decides Asante at 32 is too old and they eat the $10M from his final year, leaving him a one-season window. Not to mention Curtis Marsh should be hitting his prime at this time, and he’s got a higher upside than Trevard.
He’s probably not starting here unless Andy’s already decided not to sign a free agent CB this year (which I doubt) or Asante is moved before his deal expires (which I also doubt).
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Lots of Trevor Lindley love here lately. He’s becoming the equivalent to Sergei Bobvrosky on the flyers.
The team is pretty close to being primed for a run with Vick at the helm. Give me the superstar for the next 2/3 years and cut the unguaranteed contract down the road if you need to.
by andyreidswaistline on May 9, 2011 11:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Trevard Lindley...
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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You and your Kentucky players. I do want us to sign Derrick Locke to replace that bum Hall.
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IDK why everybody feels he can replace Hall..
Locke’s a RB.. He’s never played WR before, it’d be completely illogical to move him to WR..
Now I think he can do it, but I don’t think he’ll be better than hall at it.. Locke’s a good player I wanna sign him and make him a RB.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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Hall was also a RB in college, not a WR. Locke would be perfect for the plays designed for Hall. Point being that he has the ability to move around in the backfield and can be a threat from many places.
Jason Peters: Heart of a Lion, Face of a Chipmunk.
Actually Hall lined up at WR
quite a bit in college.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
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Idk. I just think that Locke will be able to do the same thing that Hall does for us, while being faster at it.
Jason Peters: Heart of a Lion, Face of a Chipmunk.
Fair enough..
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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I don’t follow the Bob analogy
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by alcatraz0109 on May 9, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That 24th on defense that wasn't drafted by us?
Asante Samuel. When the Eagles recognize that there is a worthwhile free agent, they go after him. We are not the Redskins and signing a big name free agent does not make us the Redskins. The Redskins give out huge paydays to all kinds of free agents, not just the ones that are worth a lot of money. That is their real problem. And you mention bad drafting from the Bears and Peppers as if they are related. They aren’t. The Bears poor draft history of late has nothing to do with them signing Peppers. Bad drafting is not a problem the Eagles have.
There is a recent Super Bowl championship team that used free agency to bring in a big name that helped them win: New Orleans. In fact, they brought in a couple splashy free agents since Sean Payton took over and they somehow managed to win the big one. They also had some solid home-grown talent. You seem to advocate staying out of free agency altogether where the big names are concerned, but I think that is just as bad as diving in headfirst. Careful analysis is required and the Eagles have proven themselves to be anything but the Redskins when it comes to signing free agents. So if they pay a shit-load of money to NA, we can trust that it is a smart move.
by NOLACuse on May 7, 2011 11:16 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Nnamdi is 29
Asante was what 26? and cheaper then Nnamdi will be. The key to not being the lolskins is not signing megadeals with players who have hit their prime and on their way down. 3 years from now Nnamdi will not be worth what he is being paid and if we give him a huge deal how will we resign mccoy maclin jackson vick and everyone else who we have on cheap rookie deals now but will need increases if they continue to perform like allen, coleman, lindley, chaney, fokou, graham?
Well said.
If we as fans can be confident of one thing, it is that the Eagles have their financial house in order. When we got Asante, it was exciting because we got a top talent and we didn’t have to worry that it would put us on the path to financial ruin. Last year, everyone hoped that we would get Peppers. When we did not, we could be confident that the price was too high.
I think we, as fans, can hope that we get Nnamdi knowing that the organization is not the Redskins and will not sacrifice the ability to remain competitive to do so.
by ATG. on May 8, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is not an argument against the OP. Your philosophy appears to be “in the Eagles we trust” (i.e., if we don’t get Nnamdi, obviously the price was too high, like it was in the case of Peppers). And I agree with that, given the front office’s track record. But I think the OP would say that Asomugha’s price WILL BE too high, which I also tend to agree with.
The OP is not saying the Eagles should not sign Asomugha, even at a reasonable price. He’s saying he doesn’t think the price will be reasonable. The logic of “if we do it, it’s a good move, and if we don’t do it, it’s a good move” does not really have a place in a discussion of whether the Eagles should or should not make a certain move.
My point on the Bears is they don’t draft well so if they whiff on a free agent or are on the hook for too much money on one player they can’t make up for it with a good draft or two. The Saints had mostly homegrown guys, I think your mainly just thinking of Drew Brees.
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by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 7, 2011 11:20 PM EDT reply actions
mostly home grown guys?
Like the stars they had on defense? like that star qb they have, Brees is a PRETTY BIG piece to that championship puzzle…. They got lucky w/ Colston as a 7th round gem, they have been way overpaying for a third down back/return specialist…..They had a great sesaon and you’re WAY overplaying it….
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by greenbean#twoOH on May 8, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
And Shockey who was also key that year.
And Drew Brees was no small free agent signing. That was a make or break situation. Point being: strategically signing free agents can be just important as home-grown talent in putting the pieces together. You can’t simply ignore big free agents on principle.
by NOLACuse on May 8, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yea, Darren Sharper and Greer were both key that year too.
Their improved defense was a huuuge part of them winning.
Dude.
Nnamdi make the Eagles an instant Super Bowl contender and you don’t want him because free agency is hit-or-miss and because Eagles mainly build through the draft? Seriously?
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we already are
we are a super bowl contender, we were the team closest to beating the packers last year in the playoffs. our crappy defense stopped the packers better then anyone else. Akers missed 2 field goals and vick underthrew a game winner.
we all need to stop saying add this or fix that and we are a contender, we already are. in my book we finished as the second best team last year and we had no RCB and no RG and we fixed RG so we were and still are contenders
in my book we finished as the second best team last year
Patriots, Jets, and Steelers would like to have a word with you.
And no, Eagles are not a Super Bowl contender with a gigantic hole at cornerback. As long as Dimitri Patterson is starting for Eagles, they’re not going to make/win the Super Bowl.
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by Imp on May 8, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
we did contend
we contended and in fact were the closest to beating the packers last year with no CB so yes we are a contender without one and since in the playoffs we came closer to beating the packers then the steelers they can shove it and go cry in a corner
Eagles were close to beating the Packers!
And Lions DID beat the Packers! Lions to the Super Bowl!!
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by Imp on May 8, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
in the playoffs
we earned a spot and in the games that counted we were closer then anyone so in a system that is one and done we have just as much right to claim second best team as anyone else moreso because we came closer and just by making the playoffs it proves we are a contender and thats all that matters
You’re not getting it. Just because Eagles came close to beating the Packers doesn’t automatically make them a contender. You know who came closest to beating Saints in playoffs in ’09 season? Vikings. After that, they went 6-10 last season.
Instead of leaving a gapping hole that can be exploited by other teams, Eagles can turn it into a strength. You know, by signing the best damn CB in the league. That way, it goes from a gigantic weakness to a gigantic strength.
There is not a good reason to pass on Nnamdi. Eagles have more than enough cap room for him for years, Eagles have a perfect spot for him, and Eagles would have the best cornerback duo in as least the last decade.
And his age is getting overrated. Charles Woodson’s two best years came when he was 33 and 34 years old. Champ Bailey is 32 and still a top-5 cornerback in the league. Nnamdi still have number of good years left in him.
/rant
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by Imp on May 8, 2011 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
We have cap room now but five years from now we won’t and i do not believe the eagles will give a mega deal to CB going on thirty and maybe they have someone else lined up or maybe they will start lindley if they think he is ready either way i trust them to keep us contenders and not throw all our eggs in one basket
We have cap room now but five years from now we won’t
Because, you know, the FO is braindead when dealing with the cap. For example, you remember McNabb? He was given a $115 million contract that the Eagles had to work around with for a decade.
Pfft, no way the FO can work around Nnamdi contract five years down the road.
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McNabb was young and the center of our offense and we had no alternative and he was going into his prime not out of it, if he got hurt (which he did) he had time to recover and we would still get value. If Nnamdi gets hurt then takes a year to get back to form likely he would never return to form and we would be screwed because we would have thrown money at him for no reason. Also, there will be a bidding war with Nnamdi so per year he could get a larger contract then McNabb had
I’m not saying they couldn’t work around his contract or i would be upset if we had him but I don’t think we will go for him and i won’t be upset when we don’t.
And none of that things about injury had anything to do with working around a contract…
Not to mention Nnamdi does not have that big of an injury history. 8 year career, total of 5 games missed. What you said would be far more relevant if Nnamdi constantly missed 3-4 games per year.
Also:
I’m not saying they couldn’t work around his contract
We have cap room now but five years from now we won’t
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by Imp on May 8, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
past injury history
has no bearing on freak accidents like weaver had and thats a big risk.
i’m not saying its impossible but unlikely to work considering over the next 3 years we need to resign, to most likely higher contracts DeSean, Vick, Maclin, McCoy, Chaney, Fokou, Allen, Coleman, Lindley, Heremans, Cole, Graham, Dixon, Laws…etc etc etc…the point being our entire team is young and does a very good job of winning already so if we want to keep the team together and create a dynasty then we need to be able to pay these players and the cap room will disappear rather quickly when our young players outplay their rookie contracts.
Big risk? A freak accident is a “big risk”? It’s called a freak accident because it doesn’t happen often.
Because, you know, signing one guy to a large contact will prevent Eagles from resigning young guys. Much like signing Samuel to that gigantic contract that prevented the Eagles from resigning Brent Celek and Wiston Justice to long term contract!
Seriously, you really think Eagles can’t resign most of those guys with Nnamdi on the roster? Hello 2008 roster when you had (off top of my head) McNabb, Westbrook, Tra Thomas, Jon Runyan, Asante Samuel, and Darren Howard to big contracts. It can be done with Nnamdi on the roster and Nnamdi will make this team far, FAR superior to any other options out there in the market.
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by Imp on May 8, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Asante wasn’t a huge contract, it was pro bowl worthy but it was ridiculous. You don’t seem to understand how big his contract will be. Talk to me when we have free agency and someone gives him a bloated deal.
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by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
And if someone does give him a bloated deal, you can be pretty sure it won’t be us. The Eagles are one of the most financially sound teams in the league. Hoping that they make it work to bring in the best talent available is not saying that I hope they choose financial ruin.
The reason we can be unreservedly excited about the prospect of getting him is because we don’t have to fear that the FO will destroy our ability to be competitive.
by ATG. on May 8, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
if we do
i would be ecstatic if he took a discount to play for us but with other teams bidding outrageously i don’t think we will get him at a good enough discount
But I think we can trust this FO to make the right call, and why statements like
We have cap room now but five years from now we won’t
are baseless. We always have cap room, and we always use it wisely.
For the record, I don’t think our FO pinned their hopes to fill a hole on outbidding everyone else. I wouldn’t be surprised if we never learn the truth of the Arizona deal has a contingency for whether we want DRC or some other option, a contingency that we exercise based on the Nnamdi sweepstakes.
by ATG. on May 8, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
we have cap room
because we dont overpay FA’s and we won’t overpay for Nnamdi in other words we aren’t getting nnamdi and i am happy with that because he will be overpaid
Sure we do, but we overpay for good ones. Asante is probably overpaid, so was Jevon Kearse. Te thing is that when they are players that can take you to the SB, it is worth it. You don’t want to overpay for the guys that aren’t legitimate superstars. Julius Peppers changed the entire culture of the Bears defense.
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by Ed Van Chimp on May 8, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yup
Asante 6 years/57 million.
Peters 6 years/63 million.
Sometimes “overpaying” is necessary to have certain building-block type players.
Ed your posts are on point on this thread. I’m wearing out the rec button.
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Asante
statistically is better then any other CB in football doesn’t get the most CB money so he is not overpaid
Kearse was a waste of a pick up
the Bears didn’t win a super bowl and Peppers is going to start declining soon and we will see what happens with the bears then
Jevon Kearse was fantastic in 2004, and looked great in 2006 then he hurt his knee. If he doesn’t get hurt who knows? I do know that the guy was easily our best defensive player in 2004.
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ATG great post
true on the baselessness of the concerns — FO has never given us reason to fear they won’t be able to manage the cap. They give us the fear we won’t win it all, but the cap they have under control.
Good point about Arizona contingencies too.
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Not most
some of those guys. I listed them all because all of them will need be resigned and if we use our cap space on Nnamdi some of them will not be happy with the money available to them and will take the bigger payday elsewhere.
just because it doesn’t happen often doesn’t mean it isn’t a large risk especially if you are staking your season and future on one player who would be worthless if it happened thats the risk to the organization
We grasp the concept ...
… we just disagree on its impact.
Frankly, I don’t think signing Nnamdi — even at the outrageous price of $15 mil a year — would cripple us from keeping our young nucleus together. Even if Nnamdi and Vick cost $30 mil a year, you still have $100 million or more to work with.
over the next 3 years we need to resign, to most likely higher contracts DeSean, Vick, Maclin, McCoy, Chaney, Fokou, Allen, Coleman, Lindley, Heremans, Cole, Graham, Dixon, Laws…etc etc etc…
A couple things here. 1) There are ways to trim the fat before they’d let a McCoy or a Maclin or a Cole walk.
The jury is still out on guys like Chaney and Lindley and Coleman and Fokou. But I don’t see any of them commanding major deals.
And the talent is staggered so not all these deals would have to be redone at once. The birds are very adept at extending young guys for less than market value before they hit the market. i.e. they trade a bit of extra money for the security of the extension and signing bonus.
They also would have several years to figure out how to get all these deals done, and an opportunity each offseason (most likely) to purge players who outplay their deals, Asomugha included.
Considering the Eagles have navigated around a handful of large contracts before, I don’t see why they can’t do it again. Especially considering that if 2011 is played under 2010 rules (i.e. no cap) they can funnel NA a huge payment up front and keep the base salaries in capped years simple.
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well if its not capped
then i see no reason why we wouldn’t get Nnamdi front load it and go with it
in a capped year i just think the contract will be so large that the eagles will rightfully avoid it
Thomas and Runyan had expiring contracts, and McNabb and Westbrook were close at that point, and eventually let go. The only guy on that list that is still here is Asante, so your point is that we can sign a big contract and let go of our older guys? Who would this be? Danny Watkins?
We seem to be drafting 15 guys a year now to get similar production from rookies/2nd year players than to re-sign 3rd-5th year players because it is cheaper to do. How many LBs have we drafted? How many CB/S have we drafted?
I’m all for Nnamdi, I think we are instant contenders with him, and could certainly match up with ANY team in the NFL, but he’s 29, would require a long-term deal, and I agree with the OP in saying that I don’t think we WILL go after him.
by Mc5 on May 9, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Omg! Nnamdi will cost a lot!!
It’s not like the Eagles will have the cap room to sign him!!
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by Imp on May 8, 2011 12:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I stopped at your first sentence after the jump
This year, the call for the top FA is vastly different than years past; EVERYONE wants Nnamdi, and our non-drafting of a starting caliber CB proves that the team is ready to execute a signing for a FA CB… now if it’s NA or someone else, we’ll find out eventually.
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by Ralf E Chubbs on May 8, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I stopped before that. A lot of the logic is faulty
WASHINGTON REDSKINS. BOOM! My explanation of why I despise building a team up through free agency.
True. But we’re not building a team, we’re putting the icing on the cake.
Every single year a small but loud minority of Eagles fans demand that we sign some big free agent and every single year we pass on said free agent and every single year for the most part,
True we compete every year without always signing the top guy out there. There are 32 teams, no way we can always sign the best guys.
That said, there has never — or at least not since we’ve added T.O. — been this concurrence of glaring need, available player and apparent willingness on the part of the FO to go get said player.
In other words, this ain’t the same as wanting Anquan Boldin when we already had DJax.
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by D3Keith on May 8, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I totally agree, but we have absolutely no indication that we are willing to go get him.
by Mc5 on May 9, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
indication, no-
but all signs point to a top FA CB…
1) lack of good, CONSISTENT CB play last year
2) enough room in our salary cap/budget to sign a premier FA, solid starter… and then some
3) non drafting of a starting CB in this years draft
4) Andy and Co has GOT to be feeling the pressure, whether he wants to admit it or not; so close, yet so far
5) the market for good FA CBs is above average this year, with the icing being NA
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by Ralf E Chubbs on May 9, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
haha right on
i held my tongue until i couldn’t any longer.
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by Ralf E Chubbs on May 9, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
didn’t read past Washington Redskins. NA and an improved pass rush equals a good chance to compete for the SB if match ups go our way.
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
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by MightyJoeBanner on May 8, 2011 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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Agree 100%
If they can get him for a 2 year deal, then get him, anything longer than that is too much $$$ invested….not a sound business decision with the other options looming around…
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That’s my point, Nnamdi’s track record tells me that he will want a big contract, probably around 6 or 7 years anywhere from 90-100 million with about 45 of it guaranteed. If he is 100Z% committed to winning a SB and is willing to take a little less moeny and less years than great, we will take him. Otherwise let someone else overpay for him.
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by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
This is why I don't follow your $$$ logic
If it’s 45 mil guaranteed and he gets old and we cut/trade him after 3-4 years then what’s the problem? Still a good deal IMO.
by cin7 on May 9, 2011 6:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Hundreds of comments (and childish arguments)
and you are the first to bring up that simple truth.
Rec’d.
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It was already mentioned. The reply was “He wont sign a contract structured to let that happen with other options” more or less
by Mc5 on May 9, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t that be a first? I don’t think anyone is suggesting he’s getting a 100 million contract guaranteed, are they?
no, but i’m sure he can play it against us “You can get rid of me cheap after 3 years, i can get 5 for sure with (Bal, Hou, etc etc)”
by Mc5 on May 9, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
What's wrong with 4 years?
We get 2 years of elite play and 2 years of better-than-average-but-not-quite elite play, that’ll be worth it.
Honestly, if we win one single Super Bowl in the time he’s here (and remember, with Vick and the young guns, the rest of the team is already peaking) it will be worth whatever we pay.
I’m usually on the be fiscally conservative side, but I think saving all that money and then not spending it when you need it means all that saving has been a waste. Now is no time to sit on our hands, it’s time to take advantage of the position being prudent has put us in.
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by D3Keith on May 8, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not saying what I would do, what matters is what will likely happen. The Eagles like to give themselves easy outs, especially with players around 30, that’s just how it works. Would I want Nnamdi for 4 years? Hell yes. Is it likely he can find a more secure (/ridiculous offer) elsewhere? Probably.
As Tom Cruise says in a Few Good Men, “It doesnt matter what I know, it matters what I can prove!”, same logic, with a few different words lol
he might only be great for us for 2-3 years but maybe reid will wanna go all in since vick will only be great for 2-3 years
by ieatcrayons on May 8, 2011 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
andy
hasn’t and mostly likely will continue to never go all in and for good reason, because if you go all in and a key player gets hurt you are screwed
Eagles have good depth.. If a key guy goes down 2 more quality guys step in and fill the void till the Key guy returns...
Look at what happened when McNabb went down and McMahon and Feeley took over, look at when Westy got hurt and McCoy stepped in, Weaver to Schmitt, LJ Smith to Celek, Shawn Andrews (at RT) to Justice… etc.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
we have good depth
because we don’t overpay for free agents and go all in for a year, we build teams to win year after year and in the majority of the years that andy has been in philly we have contended for the super bowl without ever going all in signing a huge free agent
How would signing a FA hurt depth? Trading draft picks and poor drafting is what gets the Redskins into the most trouble. The FA thing hurts them, but mostly because it is usually a cover for the fact that they haven’t built the team correctly. This is not the case here.
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because
when you overpaid for FA’s then you cannot resign your depth players to higher contracts because they could possibly start somewhere else
and Nnamdi will be overpaid somewhere
We draft for depth
allowing us the flexibility to overpay for guys like Peters, Samuel and hopefully Asomugha when they become available.
The crazy thing is the restructuring of the team the past few years means we could extend Vick and Jackson, sign Asomugha and still not be tapped out, and that’s going off the 2009 cap limit.
We have like $86 million going toward player salaries next year, and that’s including $15 million for one year of Vick. (see eaglescap.com) The last time there was a salary cap, it was $127 million.
Nnamdi is not going to eat up all $41 million of available cap room. Assuming there is a cap.
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Nitpick over the definition of overpaid
Speculate wildly as to what NA’s deal might comprise.
Bottom line, even at $15 mil a season, even with Vick, Jackson and others like Bradley or Mikell potentially needing new deals, the Eagles’ past cap management (including the great purge of 2009) has put them in position where they could stomach a giant NA deal, especially if they got creative.
There are arguments for why you might prefer a player like DRC over NA, but “the Eagles can’t afford it” is not one that is well supported by the facts so far.
Not to mention that NA is about as close to a guarantee of return on investment as any free agent we could possibly sign. And it’s a huge need which would have an impact on the rest of the defense. Seems to me like it would be money well spent, at least at the outset.
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you mean...
Detmer and Feeley in 2003…McMahon was garbage, and he stepped in in 2005!!!!
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You cant use numbers as words!!! Also, "Till", is not a word in the english language.
BOOM!!!! Busted by the grammer police.
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by Dunta Is A PUNK on May 8, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
**Meant for Wild Eagle**
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by Dunta Is A PUNK on May 8, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
shut the fuck up and use Google.
Till is a word.
It’s interchangeable with “until”…
and actually the number was a number.. 2 quality guys as in.. 1 quality guy + another quality guy = 2 quality guys.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
@Wild Eagle....
I was just fucking with you. Chill out .
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by Dunta Is A PUNK on May 9, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh and I can't fuck with you?
lol.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
You can't call yourself the grammar police when you misspell grammar.
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by snowhill82 on May 9, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wow! This is like Reid calling someone overweight or JIBTA calling someone racist.
1. There is an apostrophe in the word “can’t.”
2. The word “can’t” is a contraction for “can not.” This is not what you meant. Clearly, Wild Eagle could use a number. What you meant is he should not, or “shouldn’t” (which also has an apostrophe). As a side note, the point you were trying to make was correct, numbers up through ten should be written out, as a general rule.
3. You used quotation marks to denote that you took the word in question from Wild Eagles text. Wild Eagle did not capitalize the word. If you need to make it capitalized in your context you should put the altered text in brackets, i.e. “[T]ill.” However, you should not have capitalized it.
4. The second comma in your second sentence should not be there.
5. As pointed out above, till, indeed, is a word. Most people are familiar with the term as the action of loosening the soil in preparation for seeds being planted. What you probably meant is to say that the word should not be substituted for the word until. This is also incorrect.
Till and until are generally interchangeable in both writing and speech…
6. It is never correct to use multiple punctuation at the end of a sentence.
7. Your last sentence, in which you claim to be the grammar police, is a fragment.
8. Also mentioned above, and my personal favorite, you misspelled grammar.
by ATG. on May 9, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As much as I hate "Till" and would never let it get in a story I'm editing ...
… it is acceptable.
It’s stupid because it’s short for until, but for reasons I cannot explain, Till is preferred to ‘til in places I’ve worked.
Carry on.
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LOL!! It was a joke because wild eagle messed with me last week. Jeesh!
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by Dunta Is A PUNK on May 9, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah this is going to far lol.
it’s a blog.. I say cant wont fuck ballsack shouldnt…
I’m just to lazy to hit the ’’’’’’’’’’’’ a billion times.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Shouldn't it also be "English language", rather than "english language"?
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Re: All-in
hasn’t and mostly likely will continue to never go all in and for good reason, because if you go all in and a key player gets hurt you are screwed
That’s why you go all-in for 2-3 years. We have replenished our youth so that if misfortune falls upon us in 2011, or we get there and lose, we still have a shot in 2012 and 2013.
They have deliberately continued to stay young and cheap so that if they went “all-in” it wouldn’t be the same as putting all our chips on 2011 and having no shot thereafter.
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The Patriots went all in for 2007. Brady got hurt in 2008 and in 2009 and 2010 the Pats won the division… You don’t really have to risk that much signing Nnamdi.
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"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
Yeah, and how many has Andy won? They have been better than we have since then, I know that much.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
it point
is that going all in doesn’t mean guarantee anything so it is better to build for success year after year rather then a 2-3 year window
Bud... We have a 2-3 year window..
(1) Reid’s contract is running out in 2-3 years, if he doesn’t get us a SB or in one soon he’s finished here.
(2) Mike Vick’s got 2-3 years left at best. Gotta capitalize or we’re stuck with a bunch of shitty ass QB’s till we find one who can get the job done… Pretty much Reid’s living and dying with Vick… Vick’s our best option at getting a SB, he’s got 3 years max left.. Thus that’s our window.
(3) Look at all our young talent? Do you think we are going to be able to keep all of them? As their contracts come up in the next 2-3 years we’ll have to decide who stays and who goes.. we cannot afford them all (regardless of if we sign Nnamdi or not).. Thus a 2-3 year window again.
Point is that we’ve got 3 years max to bring this shit home. It’s time to go balls to the wall and build the best team possible for the next 3 years.. Nnamdi gives us that option. The youth at LB’s pretty good and if Bradley comes back I don’t think LB’s an issue and our DL is pretty damn good as usual…
We have a window. Once we win then we can focus on building for the future.. But is win now time. Not build to compete for the next 10 years mode.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
2-3 year window is crap
1) Andy isn’t finished here without a Super Bowl he won’t be gone until he wants to leave or he provokes Lurie like Fisher did to Adams, Andy will be here just as long or longer then Fisher was with the Titans/Oliers
2) Wrong just wrong on Andy being tied to Vick and getting crap after Vick Andy was ‘tied’ to McNabb but wasn’t he was ‘tied’ to Kolb but wasn’t and he isn’t tied to ‘Vick’ who until this season was a below average QB and Andy will have no trouble replacing Vick, not to the level of this past season when Vick was on but to McNabb levels easily
3) If we don’t sign Nnamdi we will have 30+ Million to resign our young talent, so yes we could keep everyone that we wanted to which is why I don’t want Nnamdi for a huge contract we should offer him a fairly large deal and say take it or leave it like we did with Peppers
Every year is win now mode and as stated above this window crap is bull the only part of our team that is on a window is Vick everything else is built for the long stretch.
I realize most are pessimistic on the being a playoff team 9 out of 12 years because we don’t have a ring but that is on players choking and Andy failing in game management not on not having the talent to win and most teams that get that far year after year catch a break somewhere along the line so we didn’t it doesn’t mean we won’t down the road and any team that wins a championship catches a break or multiple breaks so its irrelevant to say we should build a team that doesn’t need to catch a break
I'm sorry but Reid may end up being what tony Dungy was to the Buc's.
1) Andy isn’t finished here without a Super Bowl he won’t be gone until he wants to leave or he provokes Lurie like Fisher did to Adams, Andy will be here just as long or longer then Fisher was with the Titans/Oliers
Nope. After a while people get tired of just being Playoff contenders… We have to get to a SB or extremely close for Andy to get another extension here.
2) Wrong just wrong on Andy being tied to Vick and getting crap after Vick Andy was ‘tied’ to McNabb but wasn’t he was ‘tied’ to Kolb but wasn’t and he isn’t tied to ‘Vick’ who until this season was a below average QB and Andy will have no trouble replacing Vick, not to the level of this past season when Vick was on but to McNabb levels easily
You’re fucking dumb bro.. Vick has 2-3 years. Reid has 2-3 years unless he wins.. The team’s window is about 2-3 years.. it’s time to nut up and get the missing peice.
3) If we don’t sign Nnamdi we will have 30+ Million to resign our young talent, so yes we could keep everyone that we wanted to which is why I don’t want Nnamdi for a huge contract we should offer him a fairly large deal and say take it or leave it like we did with Peppers
No.. We’ll still have the cap room to resign everybody we want to keep (Djax, McCoy, Maclin, the young talent)
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
If andy was dungy
then he would have been long gone but we don’t decide when he leaves Lurie does and he will keep Andy as long as he wins
thanks man, vick has 2-3 years and as said above reid doesn’t and the rest of the team doesn’t and your really denying reality holding that andy and vick are tied together when history shows that isn’t true
2 firsts next all our talent and 10-15 million per year for Nnamdi isn’t going to happen. Offer him a solid top 5 contract and take it or leave it, it is what they will and should do our front office doesn’t and hasn’t fought in bidding wars because its stupid to fight in bidding wars because the winner gets screwed
but we don't need to
we have no need to go all in and risk anything because we already are contenders so go for DRC or some cheaper free agent
But again, you think all-in = risk
I don’t fear what you fear, so what you consider risk, I do not.
DRC would be a very nice pull for us, getting him would make me happy. If we get him, I hope it’s because we believe he can be a very good player for longer, and because we believe the compensation makes more sense.
Not because we were scared that NA might cost a lot and eff up our 2014 cap.
we have no need to go all in
This right here, I can’t get with this thinking. Not when there very little risk involved. If you disagree and consider it a high-risk move, that’s your prerogative, but I feel like the player is more likely to deliver than any other available player, and the Eagles’ money management position and proven skills in that area mean they could handle whatever they’d need to pay him.
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Eagles stick their hat in FA EVERY YEAR...
Which just don’t always win the bidding war and refuse to go passed our perceived value…..We wouldn’t give Peppers as much money, but we offered more to Moss then the Pats and he went there anyway…..TO was a great signing despite his ego and we went to a SB even if wasn’t the direct reason we got through the playoffs, Kearse wouldn’t be looked at as bad if he didn’t get injured….Naming over the hill NAME PLAYERS like George that the Redskins overpaid for doesn’t help your point.
NA is a bonified MONSTER at RCB, there’s no speculation about fitting in our system or being over the hill, he easily has at least 3 good years left….then maybe there will be some decline, but speculating that decline is pure BS and won’t mean anything if Reid is finally wearing a Ring in camp he won w/ the Eagles.
That being said I can see both sides of the argument of why we should and maybe shouldn’t go for NA in free agency….it’s been written about already. I can see both angles and they both make sense, but w/o risk there’s no reward. So take the small risk and hope it works out, or take the big risk and hope it works out. Obviously everyone here is leaning toward taking the big risk. Lastly, there’s only been a couple years where Eagles fans are screaming for the best available FA; it’s normally trade for this star or trade for that star.
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by greenbean#twoOH on May 8, 2011 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Both sides have good points
Whether your team Nnamdi or team DRC, there’s good points either way. Nnamdi could help us win a Superbowl this year or next year but he will hurt us a little down the road depending on how big his contract will be and trust me, it will be big. DRC is an up and coming corner that is a solid #2 option who would greatly benefit from the tutoring of Asante. He is in year 4 of a 16 million dollar contract so we would have money to add someone else if need be. I’m about 80% sure we got either Nnamdi or DRC. Either way I would be happy, I would just caution us from getting Nnamdi.
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by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 6:09 PM EDT reply actions
Don't divide us into Team NA and Team DRC
I hated this with McNabb/Kolb and I’m going to hate it this summer too.
I’m Team Upgrade-From-Hobbs/Patterson/Hanson/Lindley.
Whatever makes the Eagles defense better than it was last season and gives us a unit that will keep us in position to win it all.
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by D3Keith on May 8, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It worked for team Jacob and Team other guy on that vampire movie. I’m team Andy. I trust him no matter what he does, except for on challenges.
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by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah go Team Upgrade from HPHL
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That could stick. lol
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Asomugha isn't building a team through free agency
It’s finishing it. That’s where free agency is useful and valuable. When you think your core is built and you’re a player or two away from being a serious Superbowl contender. This team is ready to win now, so adding a major piece in free agency is more of a finishing touch than it is a “building block”
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by JasonB on May 8, 2011 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 13 recs
+1
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Agreed
However, what of your money can get you upgrades at 2 vital positions instead of only one? Whats the smart decision there? Not getting Nnamdi is the answer. We dont know their plan, but from the outside looking in, they still have more than one hole to fill/add depth to…
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also
my biggest concern is not the short term consequences, its the long term 3-4 years down the road, when you have all these young guys coming into big contracts, and youre still paying Nnamdi 10M per year to be (what im assuming he will be) aveage. Its a gamble either way, im just not so sure they can get him for a good deal (short term & long), especially with other options out there…
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And signing Nnamdi does nothing to hurt that, which is where your argument goes astray.
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by Ed Van Chimp on May 8, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
its ALL about the Benjamins man
As we see apparent with this lockout. We arent the ones running this team, which is why arguments on both sides make sense because we create our own assumptions on the situation. Everybody is kinda right on this post…..how beautiful…a BGN first Im sure…
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except
that his huge contract that will harm our ability to resign the talent we currently have on the roster
No. It won’t. McNabb had a 115 million dollar deal, and we kept everybody we wanted.
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by Ed Van Chimp on May 8, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
McNabb
was in his prime and the center of his offense Nnamdi is on the back stretch of his prime and not the center of our defense
This is an assumption
Not a fact.
Nnamdi is on the back stretch of his prime
He’s has 8 seasons in the league, six as a fulltime starter. That’s defnitely mileage, but nothing suggests he’s begun to fall off. He’s very much in his prime.
But regardless of how we define “prime” … If he signs a four-year deal and they get two years of elite play and one year of sub-elite play and then they cut him … how has that hurt the franchise in any way? Elite players help the franchise.
Also what if he’s the next Champ Bailey and is still pretty dern good at 35? Then would a four-year deal look bad? A five-year deal?
You guys are overthinking this. The only good counterargument I’ve heard is sign a very good corner for half of what NA costs and use the rest of the money to make other moves. (It’s debateable how many other moves we really need to make, and how much impact they would have as opposed to NA, but that’s at least a sound argument)
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yes
exactly what i would agree with is to sign a corner who is good but for half the price
its assumption that he will decline but its assumption he will be good and the reason i would caution against getting him is the assumption that he will make close to 15 million a year and possilbly a 6-7 year deal…maybe we could get him for 10 million and 4 years and i would be so very happy but he is going to want to make more money then that and get it
Fair, we can agree to disagree
Nnamdi is a smart guy, he and his agent are going to see right through the charade of any team that’s offering 7 years to a 30-year-old player. They have no intention of honoring the last 3 years of a 7-year, 100-million offer so it’s not all that different from a four-year deal with similarly guaranteed money.
Also we’re operating off the assumption that NA is like your average money-grubbing free agent, which nothing I’ve read supports. He seems like the kind of guy who would see the wisdom in coming to a major market like Philadelphia to be a popular and beloved player rather than taking more money from a big-market, weak team (Texans) or small-market
He seems like the kind of guy who would use the extra exposure to further his charitable efforts and see the chance at making an impact in a city like Philadelphia as part of the recruitment package. Not saying he’d leave tons of money on the table, but if we’re offering guaranteed and fewer years or what have you, I’m not certain that eliminates us.
He seems like the kind of player who is not just going to take the longest offer with the most zeroes at the end. He’ll consider the impact of everything, going to a contender, leveraging whatever fame he generates into doing more off the field.
I’m not just saying that to say it. I think outside of the Jets, we have the most compelling offer in terms of money available, talent already on the roster to potentially win a Super Bowl and desirability.
If we go hard after him, we have a shot. If we trade for DRC, live will still be sweet.
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"A guy that signed that ridiculous contract to play for Oakland and Al Davis is probably going to chase the money."
He was drafted by Oakland. Can’t blame a guy for staying where he went to college (Cal), lives and runs charitable foundations.
As far as “chase the money,” refer to the above.
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well if its true
that he would want to give us a discount or deal because of more exposure for charity work then its more reason to take him but like you said its all in whether or not we think he will or if that discount would be affordable
Technically you said back stretch of prime
which isn’t wrong. But I fail to see how it’s a bad thing.
If you pay for four years of prime and you get three … that’s a pretty good return on investment. Plenty of FAs get hurt or flame out and don’t provid that ROI. NA is about as likely to produce as any free agent out there, for at least the next 2 years, if we agree he is currently still in his prime.
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yes
but i think he will get a deal longer then 4 years
i do think he is in his prime and will perform at a high level for 2-3 years yet
3-4 years from now ...
… I disagree that the Eagles would ever allow themselves to get into cap hell, but honest question.
If we won a Super Bowl between now and then, would you still be so concerned?
I realize smart cap management is about positioning yourself to be able to compete year in and year out, but I think when your past seasons of smart cap management put you on the brink of being able to win one, you’re putting the cart before the horse if you’re afraid to make a move because it might affect you 3-4 years later. You have 3-4 years to figure out how to navigate that obstacle.
I wouldn’t say be a “win now” team if the rest of it hadn’t been perfectly orchestrated to win now … but it has been.
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So what if you say get the 2nd best Corner in the league for significantly cheaper, then use the rest of your cash to upgrade another position? Isnt that a viable option that you should carefully consider? Putting all your eggs in one basket can definitely work for you, but you still have to consider your options. Cap management will be affected regardless, I just think that there are other options out there than simply breaking the bank on one player. Now with thta being said, I will not be upset if they end up signing him. I see value in both sides of the argument.
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I'm all for careful consideration
What I’d be against is, after that consideration, coming to the conclusion that the Eagles have deftly managed the cap for years to give them the flexibility to sign someone like Asomugha, and having him be interested, but then not doing it because it sounded expensive.
Signing the second-best available corner would also be a decent outcome. I think NA is on another level that would make our mediocre LBs and DEs look better, and I think the fact that he wouldn’t cost us any players or picks makes it even more worth it to acquire him. Plus he’s about as proven as proven can be and is about as far from having off-field issues as possible. So I factor all that into the value of signing him.
However, I wouldn’t hate on getting an upgrade at corner not named Nnamdi (assuming we gave it our best shot and he wasn’t on board) and someone else, like say, Babin.
I see this producing one of three emotions for BGN and the rest of the rational fanbase:
1. Exhilaration: Sign Nnamdi Asomugha. Worry about the contract later, we just got the best defensive player in football without even surrendering a draft pick.
2. Satisfaction: We sign or trade for a cornerback who is a clear upgrade over Hobbs/Patterson/Hanson/Lindley. Anything else is gravy. Now we watch and see how the Washburn-Castillo defense performs.
3. Disappointment: We inexplicably fail to address RCB and we go into the season with very tentative hopes. Need to stay healthy and have the offense carry us and have a lot of things break right.
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You kinda tossed MWE under the bus by putting this up front.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Screw being the holder, I wanna be called the quarterback of the field goal team.
I don’t think so. I might not agree with him, but I thought it was an interesting argument.
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That was one of the worst articles I have read here in a long long time. If the Eagles get Aso they will have a legitimate chance to win the Super Bowl over the next 3 years. That alone should be enough for the Eagles showing him the money.
And please do never ever compare the Eagles with the Redskins.
one of the worst articles I have read here in a long long time
Go check out the ones in the recommended section authored by JIBTA, then report back.
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Majority of the people who say this is the worst article every written on here have never written one themselves. Also, if Jason or Jimmy or Bob had written this you wouldn’t be so hard. Just something to think about, but I respect your opinion.
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by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not dude
Just some person angry at the world taking it out on you…
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It makes a good argument,
one that I don’t agree with, but I appreciate you putting the view out there nonetheless.
I think you got a bit extreme saying signing one guy would put us on the road to Washington-ness, but mostly I think people don’t have enough to discuss with the lock out and so everything is magnified.
eagles with roster as is has a legitimate chance to win the super bowl over the next three years, as they proved this year by making the playoffs
Yes, because Dmitri Patterson is completely capable of Manning up on DEZ Bryant, Hakeem Nicks or Donald Driver.
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well
it worked this past year
besides by next year lindley will be the starter over patterson and we will have that upgrade at least
It failed horribly this past year. Our pass defense was absolutely atrocious largely due to the fact that if anyone wanted to throw all they had to do was look for Asante and then throw to the other side of the damn field. We gave up 31 passing TDs and could not stop anybody in the RZ.
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we got to the playoffs
and were one pass from beating the packers so it did work and to say otherwise is silly we contended horrible pass D and all
You cannot be this dense. We got to the playoffs. So what? You can make the playoffs with a LOSING RECORD. We got to the playoffs because of our offense, our defense kept us from getting a bye to get healthy, HFA and making a SB run. We got to the playoffs and lost in the first round, therefore we need to get better to win the SB. Nnamdi makes us a SB contender instantly.
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we already are
contenders we were 1 pass, ill repeat 1 pass from beating the eventually champions. yes we should strive to get better but we already are contenders and nnamdi doesnt guarentee us a ring
No gaurantee
But he definitely increases the odds. This team is way better with NA
From winning a game and then having to play 3 more games to win the SB. Including a team that beat us. In the NFL you don’t stay the same, you get better or worse. If you neglect a deficiency it will only be exploited even more the next year.
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That’s only if our D could keep GB out of field-goal range. We can’t pretend that we were the better team and just happened to lose.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Screw being the holder, I wanna be called the quarterback of the field goal team.
Apparently we can.
We can’t pretend that we were the better team and just happened to lose.
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No way is this one of the worst articles ever written. It’s not a bad article at all. He’s just taking an opposing view. A view that I really really really disagree with, but it’s not bad.
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this is what happens when u take football out of peoples (more importantly bloggers) lives… they become absolutely delusional… WHAT DO U MEAN U DONT WANT THE #2 BEST CORNER BACK IN THE NFL?!?!? IDC HOW MUCH $$$ IT TAKES…… pay the man!!! You know what the Eagles are gonna tell him.. theyre gonna say hey we dont NEED u but heres a 5 year $95 mil contract. if u want a super bowl ring sign on the dotted line.. end of discussion… I do like you other options but when argueably the best player at his posioton is available n it jus so happens that is an area of NEED for ur team its a marriage made in heaven. n ill tell u what. if the cowgirls get him ill be beyond pissed.
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by Clint Eastwood on May 8, 2011 8:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
5 year $95 mil contract
Just for the record, that’s $19 million a season. I think Vick gets that before NA.
We’re possibly overestimating the contract this guy is going to get. NA knows he’s 30. NA knows he can be cut at any time. A giant backloaded deal isn’t gonna mean as much as something frontloaded like the 4-year, 46 mil deal Revis signed, with $32 guaranteed.
They can throw whatever big numbers are necessary to make it work, but bottom line he gets guaranteed money and a year-to-year deal for 2-3 years or as long as he is as useful as his contract warrants.
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If NA would take the same deal that Revis took I’d jump all over that. Front load the hell outta that deal, especally with the amount of cap space we have this year.
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by SGTSteve on May 8, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if that was the deal
i would take it in a heartbeat and never look back but i think he will get much much more
I have a post above
with links to what cornerbacks make and reasoning for why NA’s total deal shouldn’t concern us. Even at 15 mil a season, which is what he made in the deal the Raiders just voided, that’s 4/60 or 5/75, not 5/95.
And if the new CBA is like the old CBA, teams don’t necessarily have to honor the entire deal, so really it’s just about if NA gets 20 mil up front or whatever.
The length of the deal and the overall number might not really need to be what we focus on.
I would worry about the impact of an NA deal on accelerating the desire for extensions by Vick, DJax and McCoy, but I think all those guys will be taken care of. And I think Asante won’t be back after his last 2 years expire.
I think the worry here, involving so many hypotheticals (if NA wants to sign, if he will command an unprecedented contract, if his play will warrant the contract or fall off, if the new CBA will allow the team to get out of the deal if it ends up not being warranted, if we’ll even be a contender in 2014) is misguided.
But I wouldn’t be unhappy with a certain 26-year-old corner signed to a new deal at $6-7 mil a season either.
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it is speculation
but considering that other FA defensive stars like haynesworth got unprecedented contracts i don’t think its unreasonable that Nnamdi may get a 6-7 year deal at 90-105
Haynesworth was 27
and signed with the Redskins. But again the number that matters is the $41 mil guaranteed, not the 7 years 100-whatever that he’ll never see.
The Peppers deal (6/91.5) is a factor since his age is similar and it just happened, but DEs tend to get paid out the yang.
NA just had a 15/mil a year deal voided. If he could get that again over the course of a deal, he would be the highest-paid corner in football.
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Huge chance of a superbowl ring
Why not go for it all for the next few years and sign Asomugha. Take a chance and try to win in a superbowl in a 3 year window. Vick isn’t going to be great for the next 6 years either. Do you think Kafka is good lead us all the way after Vick slows down. Go all in, try to WIN a superbowl, rebuild.
I’d take a superbowl and then have to rebuild for 4 seasons any day of the week.
by eagles4321 on May 8, 2011 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Especially considering all the years
we tried to win one and failed.
Of course we’re still gonna try. I’m not sure the Eagles will ever have to do a full rebuild (they’ll draft a QB of the future next year maybe) where they just can’t compete. If they go 6-10 it’ll be a nightmare year of injuries like ’05.
I’d take a superbowl and then have to rebuild for 4 seasons any day of the week.
+1000. Especially considering that “rebuilding, Eagles-style” and “having a good team that loses in the first round of the playoffs” feels roughly the same.
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if you have the chance to get the best cb n the nfl
you go and do it. he’s one of the top players in the nfl period…this is insane
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by Joe_D on May 8, 2011 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I have to agree with Joe_D here.
If we dont get NA I dont think the Eagles are DOOOMED. But if you have the chance to grab him. Why the hell not.
Dont you think that all the other teams think the same thing?
Other teams will blow up their bank account as well….and yeh sure Eagles have a bit more room this year, but whats to say itll be the same in 2-3 years…..they arent the Redskins…theres a reason for that too…planning….
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because for the past 11 years
our cap has always been well maintained by ppl who know the fuc they are doing. Im guarantee YOU that they are not going to fuck it up over one guy. that fear is completely speculative and holds no truth
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by Joe_D on May 8, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
agree....
if nnamdi wants 2 come here its a no brainer 2 go out and get him…cut and dry
by goldenbird09 on May 8, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
we know that teams aren't built through FA
we are the youngest team, or one of them anyway, in the NFL….. its not like were dan snydering shit
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by Joe_D on May 8, 2011 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
and what better way for the young cbs
to learn and develop through asante and nnamdi.
Good teams don't let massive contracts hold them hostage.
Out of the last couples years can you name any team that went to the superbowl who had a MASSIVE contract like the one NA would want? That being said, I wouldn t exactly be pissed if we did get him now, but pissed 5 years down the line when he’s 36 and a nickel corner at best
he wouldn't hold us hostage with a massive contract
we’re one of the top 5 teams with the highest amount of cap room you know?
and ys to answer your question. the saints had salary cap issues and had to dump some guys after their sb
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Colts with Peyton Manning?
Saints with Drew Brees and Reggie Bush?
One or two big contracts does not cripple a team. Continuing to pay mulitple players who have outlived their usefulness, and being stuck doing so because you never draft anyone good (i.e. Redskins) does.
As long as we are drafting young players who contribute at $455,000/year or what have you (McCoy and DJax make less than $2 mil total this coming year), we’ll be in good shape to pay or overpay a few guys.
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We're not a rebuilding team like the 'Skins, we are a team a couple of good players away from winning it all.
Rivals beware
exactly why you go out nad get a guy like NA
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by Joe_D on May 8, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
we are more like a lucky break or two from winning it all just like all other playoffs teams
you cannot ever build a team that is guarenteed to win the super bowl luck and coaching and tons of other factors play to much of a roll to guarentee anything
wouldnt have mattered....
even if we wuda gotten by GB eventually that defense wuda caught up 2 us and been the downfall.
just like it did for the colts when they won
you cannot assume that a problem will catch up to you just like you cannot assume fixing that problem will guarantee a ring
Thank you
I can’t believe this an issue
by Bono Hit My Car on May 8, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, because they only counted them for 2 years of his career…
by hungarian_eagle on May 9, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the warning...
But I will still take my chances with one of the best corners in the league WHO HAS BEEN THAT WAY FOR AWHILE. This isn’t a flash in the pants here. He’s right in his prime. over, not under it. 2 years and you have to eat 3 years? WORTH IT! I haven’t heard a peep saying “oh yea NA is way over rated and here is why.” This all “This might end up bad cause of my tummy and what I have seen other teams do.” AS + NA + Washburn = Everybody looking a lot better up front. Ladies and gents, the window is closing with Andy and Vick. I want them to make the push NOW! If they win a superbowl in the next 2 years, do I really give a crap if we miss the playoffs 2 years from then? Probably not..
there is no closing window
we have one of the youngest teams in the NFL and get younger as we speak and we still contend for a super bowl almost every year
With Vick and Andy there is.
Andy, whatever … but Vick isn’t young and he is taking a lot of hits. I don’t think he can keep that up in 2 years
by Bono Hit My Car on May 8, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
we will get another QB
Andy has made McNabb, Feely, Kolb, and Vick all winners I am confident that he will get us another QB to replace Vick, whether that is Kafka or someone drafted next year or someone else andy is a great QB coach and our team doesn’t need vick to win its just that vick is very good
Yes, we’ll just go get another QB. Because Franchise Qbs grow on trees and everything. You do realize to develop Kolb it took Andy 3-4 years. That basically means if Kafka isn’t the guy then we won’t have a QB when Vick’s body poops out.
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they do for andy it would seem
and either way vick is the only part of our offense that is old so its not like we have dozens of holes popping up that need filling soon only 1 hole
Based on what? Andy had the 2nd overall pick for McNabb, 3-4 years to develop Kolb and got lucky that Mike Vick pulled his head out of his ass. If you want a good QB in 5 years it needs to be addressed withing the next 2 years.
Well considering that one hole can make this a 6-8 win team yeah I’d say it is a pretty pressing issue.
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it didnt
make us a 6-8 win team this year it made us a 10-6 team one pass from beating the packers
Feely? over the hill Garcia? Vick out his butt and next year is a deep draft at QB we will most likely get our future QB there
Feeley didn’t play that amazing. He wasn’t a good team and we had a defense that bitchslapped anybody in their path. Garcia in my opinion was not over the hill, he went to TB and played well after that.
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He played well enough, with assets that this current team does not have….
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by Ed Van Chimp on May 8, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
but
andy didn’t look for him as a new francise QB and when andy goes for a francise QB he gets one McNabb and Kolb, and sometimes he even gets lucky, Vick
I like Kolb, but let’s not crown him yet. He’s been good is a couple games, but he’s been pretty bad in a few as well. The jury is still out on that one.
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Jury is out
but then again the jury is still out on Vick as well but by the evidence provided it is fairly safe to assume Kolb will be at least an above average starter thus the high trade offers
how bout....
kolb goes 2 arizona and gets hurt in week 1 thus giving us the #1 overall pick and Luck lololol stuff of dreams i kno lolol
have you seen their D
It could happen
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by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
But I don’t think Andy stays if we don’t win a superbowl under his current extension. Guys like Vick and NA aren’t your dime a dozen players. Vick you build a team around, and NA you can finish a team with. The coverage on WRs will allow more time to get pressure on the QB. With Washburn working his mojo, this is a no brainer in my eyes. Andy wants to keep his job… this should happen. It won’t ruin anything if we sign him.
by Bono Hit My Car on May 8, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
pipe burst!
Pressure is the key to a secondary UPS and downs. When Graham and Laws were rotating and healthy Eagles looked fire. Patten Manning spoke highly of our d after the eagles victory. No pressure pipe don’t burst and that’s just what happened after Graham and Laws went down.
by pragit on May 8, 2011 8:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Jonathan Joseph is the way my brothers...
Of course getting Nnamdi is the stuff of Madden negotiations but the reality of the NFL’s players’ personalities is scary. We haven’t paid others for their decent service they have rendered so it is difficult to realistically believe in the acquisition of Nnamdi (not saying impossible).
Jonathan is serviceable and has more tread on the tire for less money.
The youth we have will develop and the Nnamdi talk will be behind us when they do. If we wanted big fan named player we would have gone after D. Hall when he was up for grabs.
I would take him
but remember it only costs money to sign NA. Then we can still get a first-round pick in return for Kolb. Factor that in to your thinking:
NA + 1st rounder for Kolb
or
DRC
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if that is it maybe
but rumor has it that it would be DRC + Pick for Kolb and it all depends on the amount of money for Nnamdi….yes he is a top 3 corner and i would love to have him but its all about the money
Sure, it's about the money
But there are few guys more likely to give you a good return on investment than a guy who is tops at his position and the opposite of a locker room cancer.
I wouldn’t have a problem with them spending big on NA. I think he plus Asante makes the rest of the D look a lot better.
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True
As noted (below, CTRL+F to the post with the USA Today Salary Database linked in it), 15 mil/year avg would make him the highest-paid corner in the game.
Elite corners make like 9 a year. Revis averages 12/yr but he got 32 of his 46 up front. Plus he’ll be a free agent again in his 20s.
15/year would put this guy in a class of his own. And don’t think for a second the Eagles would just give him a deal with all that in base salary. That would be a very creative contract, especially if 2011 rules are 2010 (no-cap) rules by virtue of the lawsuit. NA could get a lump sum payment up front in an uncapped year and take a reasonable base.
I think there are ways you could get this guy his money and still pay everyone else. And that’s largely because we have guys like Jamar Chaney playing for $455,000 next year and McCoy making $832,000 and DJax making $965,000. Sure helps when you strike gold outside the first round of the draft.
Basically though, this is a win-win:
We either get Nnamdi plus a first-round pick from the Kolb deal.
or
(something like) DRC and Babin and $ savings to be put toward extensions.
If these are our choices, me likey. I’m open to less-expensive upgrades. The choice I hate is “mess everything up, get stuck starting Trevard Lindley.”
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Agreed
with no cap i wouldn’t care about the cost, i would through 30 million in next year and not care but i don’t know if that will happen. I believe that the FO is looking into multiple options or already got something essentially done to fix the problem.
and yes i think that if the FO plays their cards right which they normally do it is going to be a win-win scenario for us. because i can’t see how holding an extra QB worth a first rounder and extra cap space and being so close to a super bowl ring lands us in a crap zone without extraordinarily stupidity from the FO
Finally, we agree
Bottom line, something good is going at happen at CB.
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said it b4 and ill say it again......
i have a hard time seein the cards giving us a first and DRC……i dun care whos reporting wat i dun believe everything i hear…i think if anything we get a 1st and a 4th.
This isn't the worst article ever
that’s harsh… It’s points are valid, but as a whole the analogies are off
In fact, Peppers made the bears defense a LOT better and nearly beat the packers to advance to the Sb as well…
and we’re no where near the skins …so this is pretty off
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Worst article to ever get the front page...OHHHHHHHHHHHHh
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by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I have succeeded
Got my post on the front page and started a very good discussion. There are defintley two sides to this story. Team Nnamdi and Team DRC. I will be ecstatic with either one, just worried about Nnamdi’s deal.
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by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 8:30 PM EDT reply actions
when has banner EVER
fucked up a deal that hurt ur cap situation? its been good for the past decade hence we’ve been contenders for the past decade. your fear should not be a concern
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Good point
Which is why I trust it’s the right move if we make it. I just don’t think we will. That’s what this post is all about. Trying to prepare our fans when we don’t get Nnamdi.
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by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No sir
Otherwise it would be called… Why we probably won’t get NA.
You are against it. Which is fine, but I find it silly :)
by Bono Hit My Car on May 8, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m againist overpaying him. I’m not stupid. I know Nnamdi would be huge for us.
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by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
overpaying?
If you would have simply spelled out the contract you would offer NA, if you were in a position to, then your post would have made a whole lot more sense.
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I think an article about why we WON’T get Nnamdi would have been received a bit differently than this article about why we SHOULDN’T get him. This line of reasoning led to claims (granted, many not from you) that our FO was going to ruin us by signing him, when it sounds as if you were thinking our FO would never ruin us and so we should brace ourselves for seeing him in something other than Midnight Green.
by ATG. on May 8, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good rebuttal
I think an article about why we WON’T get Nnamdi would have been received a bit differently than this article about why we SHOULDN’T get him.
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Rec'd
That’s why, at times, this thread has degenerated into nonsensical, childish arguments.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
As opposed to other threads?
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Put me on Team Upgrade-From-Hobbs/Patterson/Hanson/Lindley
Team Nnamdi and Team DRC. I will be ecstatic with either one, just worried about Nnamdi’s deal.
It’s cool to have a preference, but dividing Eagles fans into teams is silly. (See McNabb vs. Kolb; nobody was on Team Vick). I want us to make a move that significantly increases our chance of experiencing a Super Bowl win.
It’s baffling to me why we as fans are worrying now about the impact of a potential Nnamdi contract 4 years down the road when 1) 4 years is a lot of time to brace for impact and 2) this front office has never given us reason to believe it would give out a contract that would cripple the franchise’s future dealings. Never.
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I’m on team “let’s get any corner who’ll force QB’s to throw the ball more towards Asante, even if only a little”
also on team “can we please keep Mike upright”.
And, I’m a card carrying member of “trust in the FO, ‘cause we’ll be competitive”.
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by corn on the kolb on May 9, 2011 12:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Part of me thinks this is just a pre-emptive psych job
for Negadelphians who need reasoning to fall back on in case Asomugha doesn’t sign with us.
Y’all do you. I’m gonna be optimistic until there’s a reason not to be.
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Hey wow I'm good
Hadn’t read this:
Which is why I trust it’s the right move if we make it. I just don’t think we will. That’s what this post is all about. Trying to prepare our fans when we don’t get Nnamdi.
So yeah. Thanks for lookin out, I guess.
If we’re already a rational fan who doesn’t assume the sky is falling at every missed opportunity, then I would have been better off ignoring this post? Damn. Now you tell me.
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I'd have to admit
Not one of my best posts, but something to think about. Not well written but my point was Nnamdi will want a huge contract and I don’t think we should/will give it to him.
Mike Florio, Mark Buerle, Michael Young, Jemele Hill- you have all tried to bring down the Eagles player and fans by way of your awful aritcles and ignorant tweets. Your all in the Axis of Evil.
by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
We have a ton of guys we will have to resign to bigger deals- Graham, Allen, McCoy, Jackson, Vick, Maclin, Chaney, Stew, etc and Nnamdi will want 16 mil a year avg
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by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You could have made this post 3 years ago
saying Reggie Brown, Shawn Andrews, Kevin Kolb, Quintin Mikell, Omar Gaither and Patterson/Bunkley will all need new contracts for us to be competitive in 2011.
I understand being prudent, but a lot can change in three years.
Not signing Nnamdi because he might decline in play in three years isn’t prudence, it’s fear. And that’s not how you win. As Method Man once said, scared money don’t make money.
(quotes great philosopher to prove point)
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by D3Keith on May 8, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hear you, I just think you're overthinking it ...
… Bottom line, if we bring him on board and win a Super Bowl, we can worry about him being overpaid later. IF his deal is crippling, IF his play declines so badly he’s not worth it anymore, IF IF IF
It’s too many hypotheticals to worry about when so much can change between now and 2014-15. We might not even have a QB then. NFL teams can get out of deals. We’re not locked into anything, we can cut dude if he suddenly sucks, this ain’t the NBA and we ain’t the Knicks.
It’s overthinking. If NA comes here and helps us win it all in 2011 or 2012, I’m willing to go 10-6 in 2014 when he outplays his contract and is only a pretty good corner.
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Great points
Mike Florio, Mark Buerle, Michael Young, Jemele Hill- you have all tried to bring down the Eagles player and fans by way of your awful aritcles and ignorant tweets. Your all in the Axis of Evil.
by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey thanks
That almost never happens here. I’ll take it.
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2014
Asante’s only here for two more seasons, at 9.5 and 11.5 mil. He’s probably done with us after that.
http://www.eaglescap.com/next.html
The only guys under contract for 2014 at the moment are Avant, Celek, Peters, Graham and Patterson. Add Danny Watkins too.
It’s an expensive fivesome (not sure Avant is going to make his 3.9 mil that year, for instance) but let’s just say they’re all here. That’s $24 million committed. Maybe $28 when you factor in Watkins.
Based on the 2009 cap, that’s still $100 million with which to sign 48 more guys. Take $15 million out for Nnamdi (probably more like 10, but let’s pretend). That still leaves $85 million to sign 47 players, nearly $2 million a player. We need a QB and guys like McCoy and Jackson and Maclin aren’t factored in, but the way we draft, we’ll have our fair share of young players making 455,000, etc.
Trust, one hefty deal doesn’t cripple a franchise. Doing those kind of deals over and over again does.
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Not just doing them over and over, but over and over to cover deals for bad players. Nnamdi may squeeze cap room, but that is ok if he shuts down half the field. What isn’t ok is if he plays poorly because then we can’t address that issue. The Redskins sign bad players to huge deals, and then have to cover those up with more huge deals. It is a vicious cycle.
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by Ed Van Chimp on May 8, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They also change coaches and systems every 2-3 years.
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Final Thoughts
I firmly believe that if we sign Nnamdi it will be the best decision for this franchise in the short term and the long term However, we may not get Nnamdi because he will want a record breaking contract for a defender that goes 7 years and averages about 18 mil a year with about 50-60 guaranteed. We may be able to get DRC and a 1st round pick from Arizona for Kevin Kolb. DRC’s contract is very manageable, about 2 mil this year and not much more for the next year with an option for the following year. Is Nnamdi the final piece? Do we need to address more needs instead of signing one guy to a huge deal? Will passing on Nnamdi haunt our dreams as he helps another team win a Superbowl that should be ours? All important questions to think about no matter which side you are on. I will be happy with either Nnamdi or DRC but I think there is already a deal in place to get DRC.
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by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
A first and DRC is just too big of a haul to come together. If we could get both for Kolb I’d be all for it, but it’s more likely to be either or. In that situation, I take the pick and sign NA.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Screw being the holder, I wanna be called the quarterback of the field goal team.
the problem is this
A traded player pretty much has to play for you……a FA doesnt….
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That’s why I said to sign him, so that he does.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Screw being the holder, I wanna be called the quarterback of the field goal team.
hahaha I hear you dude
but what IM saying is if you say turn down a deal from the Cards for DRC, in hopes to signing Nnamdi and then he decides that he likes the Cowboys more, we’re screwed
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I'm pretty sure there's not just a Plan A
and no other plan.
If Plan A falls apart, move on to Plan B and pretend like it was Plan A the whole time.
These things are worked out beforehand or in real time so that you don’t get screwed. I’m sure we message-board folk aren’t contemplating anything the FO hasn’t considered five times over.
NA or DRC would make us a lot harder to beat next year. So would JJ, BG and several other corners who we aren’t speculating about now but could come available through trade.
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or move to plans C, D, E
and pretend it was always plan A and then lie and say you would never have considered plan A
Then
every Eagles fan believes you
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on May 9, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
"he will want a record breaking contract for a defender"
Why are we assuming this?
Dude knows he’s 30. Dude knows he’s never sniffed the postseason. Dude knows that the Eagles, Jets, Bears, Falcons (IMHO) might be his only options to contend.
I’m sure his agent will try to milk it, but it doesn’t mean he can’t get fat guaranteed money up front in a deal that is effectively only for 2-3 years, even if it’s paraded around as a 5-year deal.
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Because
And this is pure speculation not fact but, Cornerback is becoming crucial to any team’s chances to win in the postseason. Because he will have about 16 teams bidding on him. Because he has better shut down numbers than anyone. Julius Peppers got a deal that has the potential to be worth over 110 million dollars at a more physical demanding position at the age of 31.
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by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool, you have reasons; I just disagree with most of them
I say when it gets down to it, half the league might show interest, but between price and whatever NA’s requirements end up being (contender?) I don’t see more than a handful of teams really going hard after him. And except maybe the Jets, I think we are as attractive a destination for a player who wants to be a key cog in a potential champion
Cornerback has been crucial, it’s not like NFL teams just realized that. Peppers might be the standard-bearer, but for a second let’s not compare defensive ends to corners in terms of what they are paid. Comparing corners to corners:
Nnamdi’s last deal: 3 years, $45 million
Revis: 4 years, $46 million, 32 guaranteed
Asante: 6 years, $57 million
Here’s a better way to look at it: USA Today NFL Salaries Database
Their most recent data is for 2009-10, but sorted by corners, after Kelvin Hayden inexplicably making $17 mil a year and Gamble making $14, it’s Nnamdi at 12, Dunta Robinson, Champ Bailey and Asante among others at 9 and then most corners in the $6 m/year range.
Even if Nnamdi stays at his previous level of 15/year, 4 years 60 mil would do it. Or 5/75. But NFL contracts are more about the guaranteed money anyway.
Point being I don’t know that NA necessarily commands Peppers’ deal. And even if he did, Peppers’ deal is 6 years/91.5 million with 20 guaranteed up front and 22 in the second season. (source here)
In other words, he’s never seeing all 91.5 or 110 unless he’s freakin amazing that entire time.
The projections for Nnamdi’s contract and the real money involved (not the inflated reported number of years and dollars) are being way overestimated by BGNers.
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Not to mention
we have cap concerns but we don’t know what the cap is or if there will be one. But assuming there is and most of the past system stays in place, then we also can assume that all years of a giant contract don’t have to be paid, therefore why are worrying?
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C'mon man.
potential to be worth over 110 million dollars
This is called being disingenuous.
You know perfectly well that the only way Peppers can possibly earn the full contract is either if his team’s FO is literally brain dead, or he can continue to play at a dominating,Pro-Bowl level.
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same reason we assumed
we could get a first and third for kolb because low supply and high demand creates huge price
Cliff Lee
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Adam Caplan said we would get a starter and a 1st rounder for Kolb. The only starter from Arz that would make sense for us is DRC. We had a deal in place before the draft, allegedly. I am 60% sure that it will happen. However, we may make a run for Nnamdi first.
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by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 9:37 PM EDT reply actions
That starter could also be Boldin, though.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Cam Newton: future QB bust
by Imp on May 8, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
DRC isn’t a “starter” he is a star. That is a bit different.
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by Ed Van Chimp on May 8, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
in the off season “starter” and “star” are basically the same, since at any point in training camp a starter could get demoted, but stars hold their jobs regardless.
Anyway, you’re reading too into it. He can’t report “star” from the Cardinals, because they only have a couple, and of them, DRC is the only one who makes sense.
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by corn on the kolb on May 9, 2011 12:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, Star and starter are the same thing. Stop, we both know that a starter and a first is not DRC and a first if you don’t know that you’re crazy and I hope you work for the Cards FO because that would be a retarded deal for them.
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if
peterson replaces DRC and upgrades over him even then its not that retarded they went from super bowl contenders to basement dwellers essentially overnight when warner left and their coach is on the hot seat so he may mortgage the future for the chance to save his job
Matt Boldin?
Good shooter from Gonzaga, won’t get out of the NBDL league though.
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by MidwesternEaglesfan on May 8, 2011 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Touché.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Cam Newton: future QB bust
by Imp on May 8, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
good post.
I have to say Namdi at 28 would be a no brainer. But at 30—-I dunno…how many great corners have their been in the history of the LEAGUE that have still been great after 30.
Champ Bailey, Charles Woodson—-maybe less than 10 ? DRC makes more sense. Eagles are not going to overpay for Namdi—but teams like the lions, redskins or cowboys will. This is why they are where they are and we are where we are year in and year out.
Absolutely true
And DRC would make a lot of Eagles fans very happy. That’s a very big upgrade from what we had here.
This post and subsequent comments, however, seem to be less about whether we’d be satisfied with DRC and more about the logic of not even attempting to sign Nnamdi because of the price tag. Many of us think we should at least give it a shot, price be damned, as the ultimate return could be worth it.
That said, a 26-year-old star cornerback to play across from Asante is not a bad consolation prize. And clearly the lack of movement at QB by Arizona and at CB by the Eagles in the draft is peculiar.
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not that we shouldn't try
but that we shouldn’t offer stupid huge contracts to him i would still make him an offer that is reasonably large contract and an opportunity to win a ring but not get into the bidding war
Well team-crippling deals are usually not advisable
But one could argue that NA is a special case.
One could argue that even a giant deal wouldn’t be crippling.
I guess it all depends on what the options are. If it’s NA at 15 mil a season plus the pick we get for trading Kolb or a younger DRC extended at maybe 6 a season but it costs us what we could get for Kolb … it’s an interesting debate.
Either way we’d be much better at corner, which would make me a very, very happy fan.
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On another note,
How good is Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie? I know nothing about the guy, outside the fact he plays for the Cardinals.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Cam Newton: future QB bust
Hes good enough
To have this post created with over 270 comments lol
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without this potential trade rumor
A lot of opinions on Nnamdi would change im sure…
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* on going after Nnamdi
I dont think there are any debates over his talent
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Pay the man. I can easily see Nnamdi being the best cover corner for the next 4-5 years.
Which should be the amount of years we’d give him on the contract.
At 34 and 35 yrs old ?
Not sure ive seen that before. Maybe Dion. But that’s because he refused to play the run our tackle much.
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I don't know if that's true
But does he have to be the best to justify the deal? What if in three years he’s merely pretty good. Like say, Champ Bailey.
In the end, it’s whether he helps the Eagles win it all in 2011, 12 or 13 that we should be concerned with. Not whether he’s paid like the No. 1 corner but is only the 6th best guy in the league in 2014.
This front office has never given us a reason to worry about the team being crippled by a single contract. If they do the deal, I expect it to be done creatively and in a way that pays NA up front but gives the Eagles an out after a few years if his play declines sharply.
But at the same time if his play declines some and he’s still a very good player for us making elite player money, I’m sure we’ll all live. And the team will still be competitive.
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If one of the fears is that at his age he may only be good for a few more years
then shouldn’t we also be worrying about the LCB position? Isn’t Asante actually older than Nnamdi. Why can’t we have 2 of the best right now, with a few young guys learning from them and able to step in and be effective down the road. I really like the idea of Nnamdi, but I also understand the viewpoint of how expensive it will be. I just wonder if going after him means that we may neglect drafting or signing a game changer at the position later on because there will already be so much money wrapped up in CB’s (Nnamdi at 10-15 mil, Asante at 10-12 mil).
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by EaglesandRavensFan on May 8, 2011 11:42 PM EDT reply actions
The counter argument to that is twofold
One, having two elite corners makes the rest of the defense so much better that it’s akin to spending money on better players elsewhere.
Two, yes, Asante is likely outta here after he gets his 9.5 mil this year and 11.5 next. Maybe even sooner if Marsh or Lindley develop. Eagles love to turn spots over to their new guys.
If they skip NA and go DRC or whoever, that’ll be fine. If they believe that’s the best option for both now and later.
But they can’t not sign NA out of fear for how it will affect the 2014 cap. That’s playing scared.
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I agree
I was just trying to point out that if we are worried about his age, then why isnt there more comments about Asante’s age. We have no idea when these guys will decline. What we do know is that what they can do on the field definately makes them worth the money right now….
"you cannot think this 6-foot man is going to survive a full season if defenses have 904 chances to knock his block off"
by EaglesandRavensFan on May 9, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Those are great points
I think NA+AS (we will call them NaS) would make the entire defense better. And probably Juan Castillo a genius.
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Trimming the fat
Since this whole thread is about worrying about the Eagles’ money, there are plenty of other ways we could trim the fat and still afford Nnamdi.
Guys like Juqua Parker, Joselio Hanson, Jason Avant, Mike Patterson and Winston Justice are all useful cogs on a good team. Teams don’t win the Super Bowl without major depth.
But at the same time I don’t think any of those guys are someone we couldn’t get similar production out of a younger, cheaper player at some point down the line. All their contracts are potential places where the fat could be trimmed.
i.e if Dixon and Laws continue ascending, why would we pay a pretty good Mike P 4.8 mil in 2013 and 5.5 in 2014?
If we really want to do this, we can. There’s certainly two sides to the argument of whether the money is better spread among several pretty good guys or one great one and a bunch of cheap rookies, but it can be done.
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a few thoughts
1) enjoying the quality post, looks like it stirred up a lot of debate which I’m looking forward to fishing through at work tomorrow
2) who here wouldn’t trade 3 years of being in the NFC East basement for 1 ring? I would. I most certainly would. I’d fuck the hot girl at the prom if it meant I got crabs for 6 months.
This being said, philadelphia will not sell the farm. Sure, the clock is running out on Vick, Cole, Samuel, and Reid (yes, he’ll be moving on in a couple of years), but I don’t see things to suddenly change.
The drafting of Watkins does indicate that we’re in a bit of a win-now mode, as we should be. But a youngerish corner (read: DRC, Joseph, Wilson) would be an adequate pick up.
3) the argument that philadelphia was not a superbowl contender last year is completely false. Yes, we should have beaten the Packers, and no, that doesn’t mean we would’ve won the remaining matchups. However, Philadelphia was most certainly a contender- and still is.
There are 4 holes now, 2 major and 2 minor. LCB is being addressed, we all understand that. We’ve already seen the right side of the line getting addressed as well. They are clearly trying to improve our shoddy linebacking corp (moreso than I ever remember seeing JJ do), and I haven’t seen a damned thing done to improve our D-line outside of Washburn. (Maybe they believe the pieces are there and they were badly coached).
But right now, as it is, Philadelphia was and still is a contender. We’re a piece away, barring injuries.
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by corn on the kolb on May 9, 2011 12:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Its pretty funny
to see people that praised the Eagles for not over paying for any free agents last off season now plead for the signing of NA.
This team is not one player away, and it is more the case on defense than any where else on this team. We couldn’t stop any one last year. We are playing with a bunch of stop gaps on the d-line (other than Cole), A bunch of potential at line backer (but potential can go both ways), and in the secondary who knows if Allen will be ready and we are looking at a rookie possibly starting next to him if he can not go. On top of all of that This is the least Eagles like move ever. How many players over 30 have they ever signed, and also given a massive deal to. It is just not their style.
Let's get it Birds.
Disagree: "This team is not one player away"
It most certainly is. Two if you count the second-string quarterback we’ll need to back up Vick after we trade Kolb.
Look, it’s not Madden. We can’t have superstars at every position. Our DL and LBs are adequate. We made it a priority to keep Vick upright. Defense doesn’t have to carry this team, it just has to keep us in striking distance.
Since we either beat or were within 5 points of the best teams in the NFC last season (Packers, Bears, Giants, Falcons) WITH the holes at RG and RCB, I don’t see why we’re not a SB contender with both those spots addressed and everyone else back in the fold.
I would still make The Pack the favorite, based not just on them defending but getting Jermichael, Grant, et. al. back. But after that, I don’t think there’s a team in the NFC you can say is hands-down better than us.
And as for the AFC champ, just have to beat them one game, h2h.
They might not be the No. 1 team in the league from jump. They might not dominate or crush like the ‘04 team that started 13-1. But they can very well win 12 games and get a bye and put themselves in position to get to [whereever next year’s SB is].
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I wouldn't mind seeing the eagles give up a good amount for Brent Grimes.
I might even like that signing better than NA.
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You want to give up a 1st for Brent Grimes rather than signing Nnamdi + keeping our 1st?
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on May 9, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
probably cheaper in the long run.
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Keeping it simple:
Whatever it takes, sign Nnamdi. If we’re really in a “win-now” mode like everyone seems to think we are, it’s the only thing that makes sense to do. If we can’t sign him, for whatever that reason might be, then we can cross that bridge when we get there. Signing Nnamdi is #1 priority no matter what the cost may be.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on May 9, 2011 1:18 AM EDT reply actions
Statements like this demonstrate
how protected we are from bad deals by our front office. I bet you would be hard pressed to find a fan of the ’Skins make a similar statement. We can scream for out FO to open their wallet because we know they will not make a deal that cripples us for the future.
All the more reason to do it.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on May 9, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
"it’s the only thing that makes sense to do"
Well, no. Other things, like trading for DRC, also make sense.
But signing Nnamdi is the preferred option for anyone who would like the see the Eagles take their best shot at winning a Super Bowl.
Nobody disagrees that he’s either the best or second-best corner in football, and that we have a major need at corner. Guys like this almost never become available.
It makes a hell of a lot of sense, but if it doesn’t happen, and we get another very good corner, we will still be a very good team.
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Why the hell are we even debating this? Sign the man the instant the Eagles are able to do so.
And are we really going to sit here and pretend that Andy Reid built this team by not signing free agents and making trades (which is riskier if you ask me, because then in addition to getting a player & likely giving them a new contract you’ve got to part with assets too)? Are people forgetting Jon Runyan, Jevon Kearse, Terrell Owens, Donte’ Stallworth, Darren Howard, Chris Clemons, Asante Samuel, Kevin Curtis, Sean Jones, Jerome Harrison, Stacy Andrews and Jason Peters are all guys who Andy brought in from other teams. The Eagles have NEVER been afraid to go after the big guys in free agency. Last year they had an offer on the table for Julius Peppers and the year before that they pursued Jason Brown. The Eagles have always pursued outside options that would make this team better and they’ve yet to turn into the Redskins. Your argument is what is called a slippery slope argument. It’s fallacious and illogical. The Eagles will not suddenly turn into the Redskins if they signed Nnamdi.
And signing cheaper options never won anyone a championship. Go big or go home. This isn’t the who can field the best team while using the least amount of cap space game, this is football and you put the best team out there despite the cost.
In addition to this the Eagles would not be building this team through FA if they were to sign Nnamdi. They would simply be putting the finishing touches on it. Like you mentioned Currently we have 23 players on our offense and 24 players on defense that we have drafted.
But here is where your argument really falls apart. You say the Eagles shouldn’t sign Nnamdi but you advocate trading for DRC. Are you kidding me? How are these things different? Neither is building through the draft which is what you seem to be so focused on. I’ll tell you how they’re different, the Eagles are trading a valuable asset for one while the other one is just signed to a contract. Signing Nnamdi and getting a first round draft pick is FAR better than getting DRC.
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Thread over.
And signing cheaper options never won anyone a championship. Go big or go home. This isn’t the who can field the best team while using the least amount of cap space game, this is football.
I envision you pimpslapping innocent bystanders and making a B-boy stance after saying this.
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fallacious and illogical
Shit just got real.
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by DeSean10 on May 9, 2011 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Haha. Every time I see something like that I think of that anchor man scene. “Boy, that escalated quickly… I mean, that really got out of hand fast.”
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You were right.
The dictionary hasn’t caught up yet.
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And of these acquistions, we are no longer paying
Are people forgettingJon Runyan,Jevon Kearse,Terrell Owens,Donte’ Stallworth,Darren Howard,Chris Clemons, Asante Samuel,Kevin Curtis,Sean Jones, Jerome Harrison,Stacy Andrewsand Jason Peters are all guys who Andy brought in from other teams.
In other words, signing free agents does not keep you being competitive four or five years from now if you know what the [expletive] you’re doing.
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Right. Which is why you don’t build your team around free agents, you just add free agents to put the finishing touches on a roster which is exactly what signing Nnamdi would be doing. Free agents signings and trades can push you to that next level. Terrell Owens did it for the Eagles back in 2004. Randy Moss did it for New England. Julius Peppers did it for Chicago. Drew Brees did it for New Orleans. Jared Allen did it for the Vikings. Michael Turner, John Abraham, Dunta Robinson and Tony Gonzalez did it for the Falcons.
You have to be smart. The Eagles have gotten solid contributions from nearly every one of those guys (Clemons, Jones & Andrews are the exceptions). Signing Nnamdi Asomugha is smart. He is proven. He isn’t some schmuck coming off a career year who is a guy that is projected to be on the upswing. No, Aso is hands down the best corner in the game and he has been for the better part of the past 5 years. He isn’t going to be here for 7-8 years but he could be here for 3-4 and be the piece that pushes the Eagles over the hump at least once while Lindley and Marsh develop behind him.
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"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on May 9, 2011 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Signing Nnamdi and getting a first round draft pick is FAR better than getting DRC.
Well the rumors we all heard was that the eagles would trade Kolb for a 1st and a starter. Either way we would get the 1st. It all comes down to how they feel about money and age. Nnamdi is going to turn 30 while DRC is much younger and would make considerably less.
You only think were front runners because our team is winning.
DRC is much younger and no where near as good.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
And
Kearse, Owens, Stallworth, Howard, Clemons, Curtis, Jones, Harrison (By virtue of never really playing), and Andrews all either blew up in our faces or never did anything spectacular.
the point is that Nnamdi’s contract may be outrageously large and because of that and his age it would be wiser to go with a cheaper option who is still an upgrade over what we had.
Nnamdi is a clear upgrade and top 3 corner but that doesn’t mean we will or should break the bank for him. Now if he would come here for a reasonably large contract then yes sign him but the argument here is that he will command an unreasonably large contract
Kearse was good before he got hurt, Owens worked out perfectly fine considering 2005 was actually derailed by injuries, Stallworth was a very good asset for us, Harrison was a trade for one of our scrubs, and Andrews wasn’t healthy and was projected to play out of position.
Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"
Still
None of those elite FA’s helped us win a ring none of them commanded the type of contract Nnamdi will and Owens was an awful acquisition just awful he should never have been signed ever he was a cancer and want even used in our playoff run due to injuries
If we can’t get DRC in a trade with arizona, we have to sign Nnamdi. Simple as that.
You only think were front runners because our team is winning.
Cromartie is good but Nnamdi is better. Much better.
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I agree but DRC is only 25 and costs about 4 million a year. If Asante was younger it’d be a no brainer to pick up Nnamdi. Both will be 30 going into next season so it would be wise to think about a few years down the road. Im happy with either one really because you can’t get much worse than Patterson.
You only think were front runners because our team is winning.
thats a wet dream. Imagine having them both? lol, not going to happen though
by Mc5 on May 9, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
there are more then
just those two options while those are the two best case scenarios we aren’t screwed if both fall threw and we get someone else
Wow, quite the thread
MidWestern, great post. I agree with much of what you have to say. Champions have not been built through FA.
I think the FO will make a bid for him with a lucrative contract offer that is somewhat team friendly, but he will get a better offer from a team that is close enough to SB contention that he will take the bigger payday. AR and the FO will talk about how they tried.
If we can get DRC and a pick for KK, then that is not a bad “consolation prize” and a few years from now, we may be thanking our lucky stars that we missed on NA.
Championships are not won through free agency
Didn’t the niners sign a big name cb in free agency right before they won a sb in 1995? His name neon something, he played for Florida state maybe.
by Saidrick on May 9, 2011 11:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Great Post
I agree 1000% also. I’ve been saying this since the end of last season. I’d love to have NA for the right price. But I think getting someone like Grimes or DRC would be a much better option. They are younger, cheaper and would still be a huge upgrade to the defense!!
With this argument...
The only move less frugal than signing NA to long term money would be doing the same with the MikeVick extension.
With the hirings of Mudd and Caldwell. The impending LT signing of Vick. The short term left on Reids contract and a pretty solid team, I say go all in with NA MV and maybe Babin. They can afford it.
by andyreidswaistline on May 9, 2011 11:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Washinton is a bad example
They sign players to dumb deals when they are way passed their prime and declining or they don’t fit what they are trying to do…we have pieces on this team that we got through the draft now we tighten it up through FA and we will b e good….
And they aren't building through FA
They are just adding to what has already been built
Ok..
You say signing Nnamdi over getting a younger guy is a risk???
Nnamdi is a know commodity. He’s a stud.. These other CB’s aren’t yet, but they have the potential… So in my opinion it’s a bigger risk to go after DRC over Nnamdi. You’re passing up the #1 CB (arguably) in the NFL for a guy who’s really nothing special and has not shown flashes even close to Nnamdi on an off day..
Also I’d like to say you’re assuming that with trading Kolb we get a 1st round pick and a starter… You’re assuming the starter will be a CB.. You forget LB’s still a need, right now I’d say the OL could use some improvement, LDE as of now is way up in the air, and Nate Allen’s injury combined with Mikel’s departure(assuming it happens) makes Safety a need for me as of now…
Point is that Nnamdi’s the best. We have the money to get the best… So just go get the fucking best.. It’s like needing a camper and going with the beat to hell VW Bus over the brand new Fleetwood Excursion when choosing anybody over Nnamdi.
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Wild_Eagle!
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-Awarded by Number5
I see your point
but we do have money to spend. So why not try to fix a few of the issues you pointed out. Get a good CB, Grimes, Marshall or DRC. Then how about going out again in FA and finding a LB, or maybe another DE to spell Cole or a starter/rotation guy on the left side, etc.
Spending a ton of money on one guy, NA is risky because he’s going to want a lot of money and a lot of years. Getting a guy younger will get you a lot of years with less money and pairing up with Samuel would be a great tandem. Then going out and working on other areas would also improve the overall defense. NA would help but I think getting a few B to A- players would be better then just getting one A+ player.
Simple..
(1) Nnamdi’s not going to be that big of a hit, you people act like the Eagles haven’t worked around big contracts over the years.
(2) Why get a good CB when you can get the best? Grimes is ok, Marshall didn’t play that well last year, DRC is overrated…
(3) No LB in FA right now (unless they lower the whole restricted FA thing to 4 years) is worth it right now. Best one out there is Manny Lawson and he’s not worth it.
(4) Another DE? Who’s out there? Edwards? Thanks I’ll pass on him.
(5) Nnamdi improves the overall Defense. If you cannot throw on our top 2 CB’s you’re forces to pick on our Nickel CB (Hanson) who played well in the slot last season (one of the top I believe).. Then you’ll have to focus on our Safety’s and I have confidence in Nate Allen and Coleman/Jarrett playing zone and reading the QB… Our Secondary will be straight up shut down if we get Nnamdi, which means they’ll have to attack our LB’s, with Chaney you have a good LB who can cover a little, not the best but good enough, then you have Fokou who’s good enough, and then whoever’s left is a mystery… Point is our LB’s will be good enough in coverage to help, and we already know Fokou, Chaney and Bradley can get shit done…. The DL? Cole’s a beast, Tapp and Parker can split time for 6 weeks till Graham returns and we can let Graham replace Parker. DT is squared away..
I don’t see who’s out there that’s an obvious upgrade at LB, or DL… Joseph’s good, Grimes is ok, DRC is ok… I’d rather go with Great..
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Edwards is vastly overrated. Being on the same line as the Williams wall and being across from Jared Allen, while having around the same production as Jaque Parker means that you are average at best.
Jason Peters: Heart of a Lion, Face of a Chipmunk.
Fuck.. Average is an overstatement.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
I was aiming for shittastic.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
I understand and I'm not saying your wrong with any of this.
I’m just coming from a different direction. I agree that their isn’t much out there for LB, but we don’t really have much either. I like Chaney, but he’s young and now the league has video of him and will know how to attack him. Bradley hasn’t been 100% the last few years and Fokou is good, I personally like him but he never really makes a big play he will tackle, sure but where’s the blowing hit and fumble, etc.?
Also, i love Cole like the rest of us but he needs more snaps off. He has wore down at the end of the season the last few years because he puts everything in every play. It might be good to get someone, if there is anyone out there (I’m not sure who is available), to spell him once in a while. That way he will be fresher as the year plays on.
Past results will not predict future results.
If every FA signing of a big named older vet turned out to be a failure it does not mean the next one would be a failure.
Why I think they need to sign them is I believe they have a very very short window to win. Why?
-Vick is aging.
-Cole is aging
-Asante is aging
-Our Oline is pourous
-Parker is aging
Some DE play well with age. So Cole has 3-4 years.
Parker is nearly done. There’s the majority of our sacks from the DL.
Vick is not a pocket QB, gets hit a ton how many years 2-3?
If Asante slips whoa! We have a bunch of unproven guys or proven losers.
Preference that Mikkel is prob gone after this year.
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
"The way I figure it, if my heads gonna pop off it's gonna pop off anyways" - Ellis Hobbs on the possibility of his neck breaking.
idk bout the VY
wouldnt this b awesome if we get Nnamdi, Bush, and VY…. y get nnamdi well bcuz hes the best. Bush wud just add another playmaker. and y not Young? hes a winner n he can learn bhind vick n we prolly hav 1 of the best QB coaches in the NFL today
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