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NFC East Pre And Post Lockout Delusions

Mike Sando did an interesting post on NFC West delusions heading into both last year and this year. I thought it was a great idea and have decided to rip it off... So we're going to examine the expectations the NFC East teams had going into last year that didn't work out as well as the delusions they may have heading into this season.

Philadelphia Eagles

Delusional 2010 Storyline - The defense would have no problem dealing with the losses. We expected Sean McDermott would step into Jim Johnson's shoes and run the defense like he had been groomed to do. We thought that the hole created by the trade for Sheldon Brown could be filled by Ellis Hobbs. None of those things proved to be true.

Post-lockout storyline to resist: Getting rid of Sean McDermott will improve everything. McDermott made his mistakes last year, but it's not fair to pin all of the defenses' problems on him. No defensive coordinator is going to make Dimitri Patterson a starting corner or turn Ernie Sims into the player Madden NFL seems to think he is. Juan Castillo can't make Stewart Bradley an injury impervious iron-man. There were serious personnel problems on the defense last year that still need to be addressed.

Dallas Cowboys

Delusional 2010 Storyline - The Cowboys had as much talent as any team in the NFL. This was easily the biggest delusion the Cowboys faced last year, that everyone thought they were so stocked with talent. As it turns out, they really weren't. Anthony Spencer never built on the strong finish he had to 2009. Their secondary was exposed (especially Mike Jenkins). Roy Williams wasn't poised for a breakout. They didn't really have three or four starting caliber running backs. Their vaunted pass rush ended up being just mediocre.

Post-lockout storyline to resist: Tony Romo and Jason Garrett will solve everything. This kind of relates to the 2010 delusion. While free agency may change things, Dallas hasn't done much to change the complexion of a roster that proved to be overrated last year. The Cowboys were 1-5 with Romo before he got hurt, so it's not as if his absence was the only reason they struggled last year. And while Jason Garrett will be the head coach this year, he still only finished the year 5-3, with one of those wins coming against the Eagles backups.

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New York Giants

Delusional 2010 Storyline - Honestly, of all the teams in the division, I really had the most trouble figuring out what the Giants were most deluded about. So I reached out to Ed from Big Blue View and he cited the secondary.

In retrospect, I think the biggest 'delusion' the New York Giants might have had going into the 2010 season is that with the additions of veteran safeties Antrel Rolle and Deon Grant, and the return of a healthy Kenny Phillips, that they had solved all of their issues in the back end of their defense. In 2009, with Phillips sidelined by a knee injury and guys like CC Brown and Aaron Rouse playing safety, the Giants were a sieve in the back. They spent a ton of money to fix that with Rolle and Grant, and counted on Phillips to return. Yet, they still surrendered 44 plays of more than 20 yards and 10 plays of more than 40 yards. That is too many for the amount of talent they have in the secondary.

Post-lockout storyline to resist: That last year was the anomaly for Eli Manning. The Giants' QB had a problem with turnovers for the first four years of his career, but then he seemed to turn a corner and dramatically cut down on the turnovers. The Giants got themselves a Superbowl partly as a result (he had one turnover in the playoffs that year). However, in 2009 they started to go back up as he turned it over 22 times (14 INTs, 8 F). Last year, it was as bad as it's ever been as he led the league in INTs and turned the ball over 30 times (often in hilarious fashion) (Really hilarious). More and more, it seems like the anomaly was 2008.

Washington Redskins

Delusional 2010 Storyline - Donovan McNabb would solve their long standing Quarterback problem. By the end of the year he had been benched for Rex Grossman.

Post-lockout storyline to resist: Mike Shanahan is a great coach and will turn things around. Shanny won two Superbowls as head coach of the Broncos, 14 years ago. Since then his winning percentage is just .551. The Redskins offense marginally improved under Shanahan, but their defense got worse. They only won two more games and still finished last in the NFC East. Now, it doesn't mean we can definitively say that Shanahan doesn't know what he's doing anymore, but we can't really assume that he still does. He's been fairly mediocre since John Elway retired.

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Last year, it was as bad as it’s ever been as he led the league in INTs and turned the ball over 30 times (often in hilarious fashion).

I thought it was going to be the left handed throw, but your link works too.

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by JimmyK on May 27, 2011 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEzoacEBjWM

I tried to find the untouched fumble against the Eagles but couldn’t…

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by JasonB on May 27, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha… awesome.

by 92-74-99-96 on May 28, 2011 10:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The list continues

Dallas Cowboys
Delusional 2011 Storyline- The Cowboys are the favorites to win the superbowl.

New York Giants
Delusional 2011 Storyline- Are going to beat the Eagles at least once this year.

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Delusional 2011 Storyline- Mike Shanahan will turn the Red Skins around .
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by greenage on May 27, 2011 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Philadelphia Eagles

Delusional 2011 Storyline- Signing NA will solve all the problems in the secondary. Once you lose Mikell, you will have two hard hitting safeties that can’t cover, and one 2nd year man who may be able to but is coming off of a blown knee suffered fairly late in the season.

OR

Because Jim Johnson used to ask Juan Castillo for advice, he will step in and seamlessly be able to design defenses, execute them on gameday, and make adjustments on the fly, something he’s never done before. At least McDermott had experience.

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by bigbluethruandthru on May 28, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

The second one is what worries me most.

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by KByars on May 28, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who are the hard hitting safeties that can’t cover?

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by JasonB on May 28, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coleman

and Jarrett. Okay Jarett is up in the air, but that was bandied about on draft day.

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by bigbluethruandthru on May 28, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Nate Allen will be a starter. He only hurt his patellar tendon last year, didn’t tear an ACL or anything so he’ll be fine at the start of the season and he looked very promising in coverage. Jarett is not a bad cover guy either.

I don’t think Kurt Coleman was ever a noticeable liability in coverage last year. Just because a guy can hit doesn’t mean he “can’t cover.”

I would say it’s far more delusional to think that pairing Asomugha with Samuel won’t make for a dramatic improvement in the secondary.

And I agree about Castillo, but I certainly didn’t think that was a delusion because pretty much everyone here has concerns about that.

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by JasonB on May 28, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't JimmyK

call the Castillo promotion a genius move? I may be wrong, but I’m pretty sure I made a comment about it. Of course it obviously could turn out to be genius, but I thought it was pretty delusional to make that comment at this point in time. I remember Coleman being beat deep, but you’ve seen more games than I have. Will the Eagles use their safeties in zone, because there were multiple pre-draft commentaries on Jarrett that said he struggled covering in man situations?

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by bigbluethruandthru on May 28, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

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by JimmyK on May 28, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

So just because you "think" one guy

said promoting Castilla was a genius move that makes everyone here on BGN think it too? I think you’re a bit delusional my friend.

by slandog on May 29, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

delusional, just wanted to get in on the action

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by Talon Talent on May 29, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Skins

If I’m correct,the skins have only won 1 playoff game the past 11 yrs. Anyone know if my memory is correct?

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by Dunta Is A PUNK on May 27, 2011 6:43 PM EDT reply actions  

My bad.

just looked it up. They beat TB in the wildcard game in 06. Wow.

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by Dunta Is A PUNK on May 27, 2011 6:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Cowboys have 1 in the last 15

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by JimmyK on May 27, 2011 6:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah.

And it had to be vs our birds

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by Dunta Is A PUNK on May 27, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those back to back losses were probably the hardest back to back games I have endured as an Eagles fan since I can remember.

by captain nodar on May 27, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously, i can still remember all the shit talking from the fair weather cowboy fans

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by thehuntedpossum on May 28, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shanahan was never really that good of a coach

He won those 2 SBs with an inherited team after he found one single diamond in the rough in Terrell Davis.

Good luck repeating that, especially without the gift of a Pro Bowl caliber QB already on the roster.

by philiafan14364 on May 27, 2011 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Y'all better hope that

your offense stays healthy. I like Danny Watkins, but at the same time, he’s a rookie and the potential for him to make mistakes is there. I don’t like your OL up against the NFC East defensive fronts (then again, there’s not many OL’s I’d take to go up against these fronts). The way Vick plays, plus the relatively dimunitive stature of your WRs and RBs makes them more injury prone than most.

Wilpon thinks he's going to get Yankees money. He won't get it. Everything's been wrong with this team.

Fred Wilpon: Not a good owner. Really not a very good owner. Definitely not a superstar.

I'm the shmuck who gave him my contract of loyalty even though he's an idiot. And now, he's increased that idiocy by 65-70%

by BigBlueIntervention on May 27, 2011 7:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Everyone better hope their offense stays healthy. That’s not specific to the eagles or any team.

And how are the eagles WRs “diminutive?” desean Jackson is small, that’s it. The giants wrs have proven to have more injury troubles than the eagles.

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by JasonB on May 27, 2011 7:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

oh I know

I hate the fact that we’re so injury prone. The injury bug was good to you guys in terms of the offensive side of the ball, so that’s why I said y’all should hope

Wilpon thinks he's going to get Yankees money. He won't get it. Everything's been wrong with this team.

Fred Wilpon: Not a good owner. Really not a very good owner. Definitely not a superstar.

I'm the shmuck who gave him my contract of loyalty even though he's an idiot. And now, he's increased that idiocy by 65-70%

by BigBlueIntervention on May 27, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering we lost our starting center and fullback for the year I wouldn’t say we were too lucky…

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by JasonB on May 27, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that was just week one. We also lost our top 2 draft picks to injury, several DTs, and lost our #2 CB with a career-ending injury.

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by DeSean10 on May 28, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

not saying your defensive side of the ball was untouched...I know you guys

were hit hard on that side, and it sucks because I hate injuries. I should have clarified my statement:

Compared to the Giants and Cowboys:

Giants lost 4 WRs for half a season or more (including a starter), our #1 WR for 4 games, our starting center, our center’s backup, our center’s backup’s backup, our starting LG (who became our center’s backup lol), our FB, Shawn Andrews (not that it wasn’t expected but our depth was really hurtin’).

Cowboys lost starting QB, Dez for a while. Those are two massive hits.

So all I was saying was that comparatively, the Eagles have been “luckier” than these teams with regards to injury. But with Vick’s playing style, Desean Jackson’s size (sorry Jason, my mistake, I correct my previous statement), you guys should hope that this “luck” continues because y’all were relatively more intact than the other teams.

Wilpon thinks he's going to get Yankees money. He won't get it. Everything's been wrong with this team.

Fred Wilpon: Not a good owner. Really not a very good owner. Definitely not a superstar.

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by BigBlueIntervention on May 28, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes 175 lbs is dimunitive

I think Dunta Robinson showed that he is quite well.

Wilpon thinks he's going to get Yankees money. He won't get it. Everything's been wrong with this team.

Fred Wilpon: Not a good owner. Really not a very good owner. Definitely not a superstar.

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by BigBlueIntervention on May 27, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that’s just one wideout. Maclin and Avant are both 6’0, which isn’t large, but it’s not small. Not to mention Coop (6’3, 220) and Celek (6’5, 260).

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by alcatraz0109 on May 27, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

and in terms of weight, Maclin is 200 and Avant is 210. Those are not diminutive weights for 6’0 WRs.

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by alcatraz0109 on May 27, 2011 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough

Wilpon thinks he's going to get Yankees money. He won't get it. Everything's been wrong with this team.

Fred Wilpon: Not a good owner. Really not a very good owner. Definitely not a superstar.

I'm the shmuck who gave him my contract of loyalty even though he's an idiot. And now, he's increased that idiocy by 65-70%

by BigBlueIntervention on May 27, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maclin is up to 210 as of last off season.

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by d-jackfan10 on May 28, 2011 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's true

Cooper is definitely not small, but your starting 3 is below average size for a WR group…maybe “dimunitive” was too harsh a word.

Anyway, my point is, the size is not going to help them fend off injuries.

Wilpon thinks he's going to get Yankees money. He won't get it. Everything's been wrong with this team.

Fred Wilpon: Not a good owner. Really not a very good owner. Definitely not a superstar.

I'm the shmuck who gave him my contract of loyalty even though he's an idiot. And now, he's increased that idiocy by 65-70%

by BigBlueIntervention on May 27, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anyway, my point is, the size is not going to help them fend off injuries.

Him. Because it’s one small guy.

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by JasonB on May 27, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dunta Robinson showed that when you hit a defenseless WR in the chin he gets hurt. Doesn’t really matter what size he is.

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by JasonB on May 27, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I think almost any WR getting hit like that would have felt it.

by slandog on May 29, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dunta is a Punk.

His name is not welcome here.

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by Dunta Is A PUNK on May 27, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

No offense Jason

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by Dunta Is A PUNK on May 27, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Size or lack thereof does not make you more or less injury prone. Size has nothing to do with it.

by Smitty2K3 on May 28, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

of course it does

Now, I’m terrible at physics but if you’re 6’3 220, you have much more mass (especially because that mass is likely muscle) to distribute the shock of the hit, you won’t fly away as far, and your inertia will provide you with a greater amount of force that you put out against the force that you receive. Compare that with a smaller WR, and they have a greater chance of getting hurt.

Wilpon thinks he's going to get Yankees money. He won't get it. Everything's been wrong with this team.

Fred Wilpon: Not a good owner. Really not a very good owner. Definitely not a superstar.

I'm the shmuck who gave him my contract of loyalty even though he's an idiot. And now, he's increased that idiocy by 65-70%

by BigBlueIntervention on May 28, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

But if you get hit in the head, or your knee gets rolled up… which is generally how injuries occur, I just don’t see how size has an impact.

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by JasonB on May 28, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

size can have a part in it, but for the most part what BBI described above is that one guy will get hit harder then another guy. Getting hit harder doesn’t mean that you’re going to get hurt more. How many times have we seen a guy lay some wood on a guy and then the “hitter” gets hurt.

by slandog on May 29, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

PICTURE OF THE YEAR

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by Dunta Is A PUNK on May 27, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

2011 Eagles story line to resist...

Washburn and Mudd will fix all that ails our DL and OL.

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by no1pipelayer on May 27, 2011 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

this

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by alcatraz0109 on May 27, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think WE ever believed in Ellis Hobbs

Except as a KOR.

I came the closest to backing his CB skills by saying “if Hobbs is the worst problem this team has, it means we’re pretty good.”

We thought that the hole created by the trade for Sheldon Brown could be filled by Ellis Hobbs. None of those things proved to be true.

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by D3Keith on May 27, 2011 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I never liked Hobbs as a KOR either

but sadly he was our only option at the time

by slandog on May 29, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't the idea that the Cowboys are one of the most talented teams in the league

the same delusion every single season? I mean coming off of 11-5 or 6-10 they always seem to think they’re loaded with superstars.

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by bigbluethruandthru on May 28, 2011 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

We have some superstars

but you can’t have steak at every position, and where we don’t have steak, well…it’s bad.

Nobody cringes more than Cowboys fans when we here this crap. Believe me, it does not come from us.

The Giants are the team to watch out for. Thank God they have Eli and not Rivers. With Rivers on that team, I think they would have won the East more than not.

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by HudBaby on May 28, 2011 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rivers

has never proven he can succeed in cold weather. Look at the Cincy game from last year, when they were still fighting for a playoff berth. And he’s a whiny little bitch, the thought of him facing the NY media makes me cringe.

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by bigbluethruandthru on May 28, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eli isn't a whiny little bitch?

Have you ever seen one of his whiny little “poor me” faces he makes? Watch a game sometime, I’m sure you’ll see about 15 of them.

by slandog on May 29, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Clearly you don't read our blog.

You will not find any articles proclaiming us one of the most talented teams in the league. We do have some optimism regarding what a full season of Jason Garrett could bring, but our expectations are significantly tempered. I think if we get a few breaks we could compete seriously, but that can be said for the majority of teams.

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by Creasy729 on May 29, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

man lay off Patterson!

I think Patterson will have a great yr, he came in as a utility player moved around a lot from corner to safety. A good deal of the players didnt buy into McDermott play calling. Heck with the evolution on of the new rules all the corners give up big plays.

by pragit on May 28, 2011 12:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I think Patterson will have a great yr

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by Imp on May 28, 2011 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. He had some awful games last year, but he had some very good ones too. He definitely should make the roster as a backup CB/cover safety, especially because he’s such a good ST player. The dude tackles like a safety and (sometimes) has the cover skills of a CB, he’s definitely a good role player.

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by DeSean10 on May 28, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

I dont understand why most people want him off of the team. If i remember correctly he was shifted to S because we had so many bodies at CB but AR still wanted him on the roster. i dont want him starting but there was a reason he was on the team

by Chad K on May 28, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, he’s an unrestricted FA. That’s part of the reason people assume that he’s gone. Most of the time when the Eagles are interested in keeping someone, they sign him up before he can hit the FA market.

by AZ Eagle on May 31, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

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