Running Back Rankings
by Lip-Out on May 22, 2011 6:37 PM EDT
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Recently espn.com has put out a list of position rankings compiling the average position from its divisional bloggers to finalize a top 10 list of players at each position. NFL Network has also started the rankings of the top 100 current NFL players "as voted by the players." These are more so the product of boredom in the heat of an NFL lockout. (See espn.com Helmet Rankings as example) But, I thought it entertaining and fun to join in the mayhem so here is a self-compiled Running Back's top 10 list.
1) Chris Johnson, Tennessee Titans - Albeit some mediocre yards per carry numbers, and some pretty bad games statistically, it's tough when your team has no passing game to keep the ground game honest. He's a home run threat every time he touches the ball, enough said.
2) Jamaal Charles, Kansas City Chiefs - I know, AP was not forgotten, but here's a brief case for Charles at #2. Probably the most productive Running Back in the NFL per touches. Doesn't fumble, electric speed, moves the chains.
3) Adrian Peterson, Minnesota Vikings - Maybe the most physically gifted player in all of football. Huge, but fast and great in the open field. Can run over people, and got away from the fumbler stereotype, but tends to be bottled up on first contact a little more than you'd like.
4) LaSean McCoy, Philadelphia Eagles - Great vision, lateral movement, speed, and flat out makes people miss. It's sad he doesn't receive the recognition he deserves.
5) Steven Jackson, St. Louis Rams - He finally gets a somewhat balanced offense and runs for over 1,200 yards. A lot is to be said about his lack of statistics, but he hasn't had blocking or a passing game. One of the purest power runners in football.
6) Arian Foster, Houston Texans - Flat out unbelievable numbers along with unreal combination of power and speed. Was easily a top 4 running back last year, but let's get another one under the belt to put the proof in the pudding.
7) Maurice Jones-Drew, Jacksonville Jaguars - The most overrated running back in football besides Michael Turner, in my opinion. However he's stout, durable, solid speed, and is a great fit for a run first offense. I just wouldn't consider him elite, and would not want to build a team around him. (see Jacksonville Jaguars)
8) Darren McFadden, Oakland Raiders - Finally broke out after years of under-achievement in the Black Hole that is Oakland. Great speed and decent size. Can hit the hole with burst and explosion, great in the open field. I see more solid years in front of him.
9) Ray Rice, Baltimore Ravens - Another stout and durable RB with solid speed. Can catch out of the backfield, reliable both outside and inside, consistent.
10) LeGarrette Blount, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Power back in a league where they are hard to come by. 1,000 yard runner in only 7 starts and 13 games played.
Near Misses: Rashard Mendenhall, Frank Gore
Overrated Off List: Michael Turner, Peyton Hillis, Beanie Wells, Marion Barber
Underrated Off List: Danny Woodhead, Ryan Torain, Chris Ivory
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As good as Shady is, he's way too high
Rivals beware
by starship 007 on May 22, 2011 6:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I put together a top 10 list the other day:
1. Adrian Peterson
2. Chris Johnson
3. Jamaal Charles
4. Arian Foster
5. Maurice Jones-Drew
6. Frank Gore
7. Ray Rice
8. LeSean McCoy
9. Peyton Hillis
10. Steven Jackson
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On second thought, you’re right. One down year doesn’t mean he falls that might. I’m still not putting him top 5 though. New 6-10:
6. Steven Jackson
7. Frank Gore
8. Ray Rice
9. LeSean McCoy
10. Peyton Hillis
The seperation between 7-9 is very, very minimal.
The one concern I do have though with LeSean McCoy is how much of his improvement has to do with defenses focusing on Jackson/Maclin and Vick.
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*falls that much
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i think you ranked McCoy Rice And gore to low.
no way that foster gets to be top 5 for that one year. need more proof that he is diservent
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 22, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
When in that one year you have 2,220 yards from scrimmage and 18 touchdowns you are top 5.
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agreed.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 22, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i still dont put him in top 5
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 22, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
RBs have such a short shelf life, you cant require them to build a resume like other positions, thats why Frank Gore and Steven Jackson wont be top 5/10 next year. I never throw people into the top right away either…… except for RB.
steven jackson may be, and you never know with gore.
but one really good year doesnt put you in top 5 for me. top 10 yea. but top 5 is for the players who consistentley perform every year for several years
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 22, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
he was and 3 probowls and 7,607 in 7 yrs proves it.
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I dont get it.
Although he shined for a “short time” his production over 5 years was 2nd to none.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
my point is that i’m being told that you cant be put on there right away, even after a great season, and i disagree because in TD’s case he would have hardly been at the top because he was so good right off the bat.
you can be put in the top 10 after a ONE great season.
but the Top 5 is reserved for consistent performers. it’s not fair to take someone out of it if they had one down year (where they still eclipse 1100 rushhing yards)
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
this is a very good list but jackson is to loww and foster is to high
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 22, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree 1-4 are pretty much locks that way
it can be argued i think the top three could be in any order by Foster is 4.
5-10 I would rate McCoy higher and Gore and Jones-Drew slightly lower but i think its so close its hard to call
1. Chris Johnson
2. Adrian Peterson
3. Arian Foster
4. Jamal Charles
5. Pocket Hercules (Maurice Jones-drew)
6. Peyton Hillis
7.Ray Rice
8. Steven Jackson
9.Lesean McCoy
10. Rashard Mendenhall
NO BS!!!!! ……………. NO BIAS!!!! …. actually a little bias really don’t like McFadden
hillis is not above ray rice....
Rice is fuckin amazing. Do you guys remember what he did to the patriots in the playoffs 2 years ago? He was hurt this year and battling injurys, if he wasnt he would easily be a top 5. People are showing a little homerism for McCoy aswell, i would put him between 10-15. Deangelo Williams doesnt make this list? Mendenhall is questionable aswell. OWell thats my 2 cents maybe I’ll make a ranking of my own.
by phillyfan330 on May 26, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
This is your argument for Arian Foster
“Flat out unbelievable numbers along with unreal combination of power and speed. Was easily a top 4 running back last year, but let’s get another one under the belt to put the proof in the pudding.”
Couldn’t the same thing be said about Lesean McCoy?
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 22, 2011 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LaSean basically had 1,000 yards rushing receiving yards combined his rookie year, and capped that with a great Soph year.
I see your point, but I just love the smaller, elusive, catch out of the back-field style LaSean has.
Nothing wrong with that reasoning.
Where would you rate Ahmad Bradshaw on this list?
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 22, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough
My personal top 10:
1) Chris Johnson
2) Adrian Peterson
3) Jamaal Charles
4) Ray Rice
5) Arian Foster
6) Maurice Jones-Drew
7) Lesean McCoy
8) Steven Jackson
9) Ahmad Bradshaw
10) Rashad Mendenhall
The fumbles are a problem, yes, but Bradshaw’s stats more than make up for it. Jackson is on the decline. He barely, by the skin of his teeth, makes it by Bradshaw.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 22, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
mendanhall top 10?
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 22, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
1273 yards and 13 TDs should get you into the top 10
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 22, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i'd put peyton hillis ahead of him.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 22, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
hillis had 100 yards less running, and 2 less TDs
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 22, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
plus, people think that Bradshaw fumbles alot
Hillis fumbled more than him in less games. Overrated.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 22, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
really
wow never realized that.
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by Mr.electric10 on May 22, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
its just that he was a nobody in denver’s scheme, and so once he was placed in a Cleveland scheme more suited to his style, he was successful and people creamed their pants
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 22, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
he has that awsomness about him tho, (jk)
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 22, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
21 total touchdowns and 2,809 yards from scrimmage the past two seasons. It isn’t far fetched at all.
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not saying he's not good.
but maybe hillis should be ranked ahead. and frank gore should be ahead of him too
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 22, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
Gore is a monster, and he blew both his knees out. He has a miraculous story about his career and can still punish defences with his power and speed.
by phillyfan330 on May 26, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
i do not inderstand how legarete blunt can be ranked ahead of jacobs or brdshaw or peyton hillis. this is a bad list
My Top 10:
Peterson
CJ2K
MJD
Ray Rice
Steven Jackson
Jamaal charles
McCoy
Bradshaw
Foster
Peyton Hillis
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 22, 2011 7:18 PM EDT reply actions
forgot gore, take out hillis and move gore ahead of foster and bradshaw.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 22, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Foster is top 5 lock
or McCoy and Hillis shouldn’t be on this list because all three of them only really had 1 great year and Foster was better then McCoy
I replaced hillis with gore who deffinitley deserves to be ahead of foster
but top 10 lists aren’t just for stats, but ability. which is why McCoy is ahead of foster
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 22, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand your argument
and appreciate the respect for McCoy so I guess I’ll just leave it at we disagree on where Foster should be
i can deal with that.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 23, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s amazing the amount of respect Giants fans have for LeSean McCoy after he carried the Eagles to a win in that first game.
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your saying we don't respect him? or am i completley wrong on this sarcasm?
he’s not better than MJD, Steven Jackson, Ray Ray Or Charles. I dont see the problem with mine or BBI’s lists
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 22, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
No sarcasm. There is a very easy argument for LeSean McCoy to not be top 10 but you guys are ranking him top 10 without any arguing or haggling. Just odd after the arguments between the two groups over receivers and quarterbacks.
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yeah
I think McCoy is ranked too high here. In all honesty he had 1 top 10 year and a solid year. I think he will be a beast but I think I have him at 7 or 8.
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by Mr.electric10 on May 22, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i got him at 7.
if he shows more next year it’s six.
but until the 5 i ranked above him retire or seriouslly regress, he will stay at 6 for a while
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 22, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
stats regarding a RB, imo, are more telling of their performance
than are stats regarding QBs.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 22, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
basically what BBI said.
he deserves to be there. i respect his play. he is deservent of top 10 not just for last year, but for his pottential in years to come
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 22, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Respect where respect is due.
In terms of talent, I think Bradshaw and McCoy are evenly ranked:
Coincidentally, Bradshaw’s 1st year with significant carries came at the same time as McCoy’s rookie year.
Their stats:
2009
Bradshaw 778 yds, 4.8 YPA, 7 TDs, 21 catches, 207 yards Yards from Scrimmage: 985
McCoy 637 yds, 4.1 YPA, 4 TDs, 40 catches, 308 yards Yards from Scrimmage: 945
2010
Bradshaw 1235 yds, 4.5 YPA, 8 TDs, 47 catches, 314 yards Yards from Scrimmage: 1549
McCoy 1080 yds, 5.2 YPA, 7 TDs, 79 catches 592 yards, 2 TDs Yards from Scrimmage 1672
I fully consider Bradshaw a top 10 back in the NFL. He’s a dual threat on the air and on the ground. It only makes sense, than that McCoy be ranked higher than him. McCoy is more balanced of the two (or at least used in a more balanced way). Both have high yards per carry averages. McCoy gets it done more through the air, while Bradshaw gets most of his work in through the ground.
Still, though, 1500 yards from scrimmage is “very good territory” and only a few running backs can approach that number.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 22, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
agree'd here.
the reason i rank McCoy above bradshaw is his speed and has better hands.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 22, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Bradshaw still has a leg up on McCoy in terms of running the ball consistently
Bradshaw had 13 carries of 20+ yards. McCoy had 7. But McCoy beats bradshaw in 40+ yarders.
McCoy is a speedy, elusive shifty back, and Bradshaw, while also speedy, plays alot more north-south and it shows in their numbers.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 22, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think 20+ and 40+ yard runs are a measure of consistency...
A “consistent” back gets you 4-5 yards each time he carries the ball. Who would you rather give the ball to on a 3rd and 3 up by 3 with 1:30 left and know they’re going to get the 1st down? That’s what I would consider “consistent” – someone you know is pretty much always going to get what you need.
And don’t discount McCoy’s north-south play. While he has moves and is really shifty, he’s no Chris Johnson where he’s making 10 million moves to make a big play. McCoy gets the ball, patiently waits for the hole to open and makes his move. You don’t see him dancing around in the backfield – he makes his moves when he’s 4-5 yards downfield and needs to get around the LB/S.
I'm not saying that McCoy is bad at it
just saying that he’s slightly more inconsistent than Bradshaw (and by slightly, I mean its splitting hairs). Both are still very good. And I acknowledge that McCoy has more big play ability than Ahmad does.
Yes, McCoy had a 5.2 YPC average, but its not like Ahmad was significantly behind at 4.5. Year before that, it was 4.8 for Ahmad, and 4.1 for Shady.
Maybe I should’ve framed it as Ahmad is less elusive than McCoy, and a larger majority of his playing style is that bowling ball type north-south running.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 22, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
True
I guess I would be saying that Bradshaw is the more consistent, where McCoy is the bigger home-run threat.
I think Bradshaw’s style is more conducive to the Giants, who depend on the run a lot more, and Shady’s style is more conducive to the Eagles, who use the run as a way to get away from the pass and “surprise” the other team.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/24037/lesean-mccoy-is-a-power-back
“LeSean McCoy, literally, ran away with this award thanks to some hard-nosed running — an aspect of his game that often is overlooked. Being surrounded by weapons like Michael Vick, DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin overshadowed the fact that McCoy was the league’s best back in 2010 when there were more defenders in the box than available blockers (creating a loaded box).
“Fourteen running backs had at least 30 attempts against a loaded box this season. McCoy finished in the top four in rushing yards (207), touchdowns (three) and attempts per first down (2.8), despite having the fewest carries of those 14 backs (36).
“Also, McCoy was more than up to the task of running out the clock. One-third of his rushes against a loaded box came in the fourth quarter with the Eagles leading. McCoy rushed 12 times for 85 yards and three first downs in those situations. His 7.1 yards per rush was tops among backs with at least 10 carries.”
Also when running down the middle of the defense LeSean McCoy had 86 carries and 436 yards (5.1 average). Ahmad Bradshaw had 51 carries over the middle for 186 yards (3.1 average).
And just for good measure… Link.
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interesting
well like the original article stated, I overlooked that as well. Thanks for the info. I retract my previous statement.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 22, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
yes.
McCoy is a true HR hitter.
while Bradshaw is an all-around hitter.
Bradshaw is more powerful than McCoy and well bradshaw runs with the best heart in the game. so its really a flip. i put mccoy ahead also cuz of bradshaws 2 surgiers on his foot last offseason. i prefer bradshaw to McCoy, but you can go either way on this
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 22, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
See d-jackfan10's post
McCoy was far and away the best power runner ‘hitter’ in the league last year
he ran up the middle great.
but, and i watched most of your games. a lot of the time he ran past people not thru them.
and i watched all the giants games, and at times bradshaw ran like jacobs but with more speed and elusivness.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 23, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
McCoy was the best RB against a loaded box.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
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Just because he ran around people
doesn’t mean he couldn’t run over them just that he could get around them
McCoy powered through some guys...
Look at his big run right out of halftime in the Giants(?) game.
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he did indeed
but he also avoided people, which doesn’t mean he can’t run over people just that he also has the ability to avoid people
I'd rather McCoy avoid people so long as he's not a pussy about it and stays on his feet.
Less hits he takes = longer he’s effective = happy Eagles.
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exactly
McCoy trucks people when he has too but avoids when possible and that means he will last alot longer then a back that looks to hit, and McCoy is still younger then alot of our fresh draftees so he has so much more potential if he continues to improve he could become the greatest eagles RB ever
I think he will be the greatest Eagles RB lol.
He’s got that much talent.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
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I think he will too
I think next year or the next he could challenge to be top 3 RB in the NFL he is so good
nah, he won't be top 3. top 6 most likely.
but he hass to pass ray rice (who i believe they are the same age, and ray rice is imo more talented)
AP, in a few year when AP gets older he may,
CJ2K when he loses his speed mccoy will pass him but that will be a while,
MJD i dont see that happening,
And Steven Jackson, him i see mccoy passing. unless ofcourse jackson has another great year and rebound from last year
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm..
pass ray rice
Check.
AP, in a few year when AP gets older he may
Not yet.
CJ2K when he loses his speed mccoy will pass him but that will be a while
I think CJ2K is gonna take a big step back next year.
MJD
Check.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
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dude, McCoy is not better than Ray Ray. your homerism is coming in there
and you think he’s better than MJD?
i wanna know how you rank HB’s. please explain
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
McCoy runs circles around Rice
Rushes:207 Yards:1080 YPC:5.2 TD:7 REC: 78 Yards:592 Avg:7.6 TD:2 Fum:2
Rice
Rushes:307 Yards:1220 YPC:4.0 TD:5 REC: 63 Yards:556 Avg:8.8 TD:1 Fum:0
On 100 more attempts Rice got only 140 more yards and he had 3 fewer TDs and mccoy had 2 fumbles yes but only lost 1 and rice’s recieving ability was slightly higher but not nearly as much as mccoy was better running
and Steven Jackson is good but not as good as many think
Oh did I mention that McCoy played multiple weeks with a broken rib
This ^^^
Argument’s over. No homerism.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
you use McCoy's best year, why not use rice's best year.
you know the year before when he eclipsed 2000 total yards. you know his second year, the year mccoy had last but not as good.
Rice> McCoy
steven jackson is better than many think. he carried the rams on his back. his hands are real good. and he’s doesn’t drop the ball that much
steven Jackson >mccoy
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I seriously think he can be top 3,
he’s such a big part of our offense he’s set up to make that leap.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
not until like 3 players retire or seriously regress.
he can be 6 imo until CJ2K losses his speed and peterson gets injured
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
CJ2K
will take another step back next year, he is a one trick pony and teams know he is the only weapon the Titans have
and McCoy is younger then about half the rookies this year so he is no where near his potential
and McCoy played with a broken rib
how bout we see next year.
when Ray Ray again proves (idk why you think mccoy is better) that he’s better than mccoy. you will stop with your false knowledge right?
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Good thing your rankings don't mean shit.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
better that yours mean less than shit.
my rankings are you know fair and all. no homerism in them, yours suck
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
So yea
This reminds me of a story about this one pot and this other kettle…
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
i actually think he will be deffinitley top 3 in your history
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
did i say he couldnt tho?
bradshaw sure as hell could do it better tho. look at AB, i mean he was a beast when people tried to tackle him, he ran over people like he was a power back.
i’m not taking anything away from mccoy (as you can see i reanked him higher than AB, but bradhsaw has more power then him)
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
That’s the dumbest shit ever..
McCoy was the best against the loaded box. That’s power running.. McCoy has so much more power than AB.
Look at McCoy run, he runs people over, then severs their ankles..
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
do you watch AB play?
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
warm fuzzies don't count
McCoy was way better then AB in the box in fact McCoy was the best in the entire NFL McCoy is the best power runner in the NFL period facts are facts
LOL. McCoy is the best power runner in the NFL? LOL
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering there is stats to back it up
I dont understand why you laughing so hard.
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you think that he's a power runner.
how bout the broken tackles stat?
i want to see that.
running up the middle doesnt make you a power back. running over people does.
do you know what a draw is?
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there a reason you have to sound so condescending to people just talking
lolim at work so i cant be pulling up stats or nothing
but ok keep being a genius kid
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"Do you know where we are going?" she said.
"To solve the mystery of the eternal hereafter, I imagine," I replied.
-- _The Gods of Mars_
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company
i am not attempting to be-little you.
just letting you know that thinking mccoy is the best power back is dumb
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
lol got anything to back that up?
instead of just saying stuff to say it
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"Do you know where we are going?" she said.
"To solve the mystery of the eternal hereafter, I imagine," I replied.
-- _The Gods of Mars_
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uh yea.i watch him play. he's a speed back, he doesnt do power.
your fucking crazy if you keep asking me these questions
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Pretty much in FLA when the Eagles aren't on TV one team from the NFC
East is on TV. Most of the time since Dallas is in another time zone and Washington sucks dick it’s the Giants…
I’ve seen AB play. He’s not much of a power guy.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
you have not watched him then.
there were countless times lst year where i saw him break through several guys around him and get the first down
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't see how
you can tell who runs with better “heart.” Heart is determined by who’s willing to put in the extra hours to make themselves and more importantly, the team better.
On an unrelated note, what problems do you have with Aikman? It was really hard for me to say this at first because of how much I hated him as a player, but Aikman is far and away the best color analyst besides maybe Jaworski.
you can tell who runs with better "heart." Heart is determined by who’s willing to put in the extra hours to make themselves and more importantly, the team better.
if you watch AB on a consistent basis you would know what i mean. and the work he put in after his two surgies he got on his ankels (i got one on my anklle last year, and i know how it feels) speaks for itself
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 23, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, and i hate aik-man
his voice just makes me wanna mute the TV sometimes. his complete hate for the giants (and the eagles) an complete homerism for the cowboys makes me dread the fact that he is on fox or that we play on fox.
i hate the guy
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 23, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he is such a homer
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by Mr.electric10 on May 23, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
agree'd. i can't stand that. if i was an anouncer, my homerism would not shine like it does on some of my comments.
i hate the Aik-Man
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
rec
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." Bruce Lee
"This fucking game is over!" Chuck Bednarik
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" Mike Tyson
by Talon Talent on May 24, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
My top 10
1. AP
2. CJ
3. Foster
4. Charles
5. MJD
6. McCoy
7. Rice
8. Gore
9. Jackson
10. Bradshaw
Blount was good about half a year no way is he in the top 10. Hilis barley misses. Same with Mendenhall and Turner
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foster above MJD & RICE?
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 22, 2011 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Foster was crazy last year he is a lock IMO
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by Mr.electric10 on May 22, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
ray ray is way ahead of foster.
and MJD has consistentley been a top 5 back for years now. you cant tell me one year puts foster ahead
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 23, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude. Foster had a crazy year.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
A crazy year, A crazy year.
not Crazy years, A crazy year.
i’m not denying foster of anything. ut he is not even close to as talented as Ray Ray.
if he has another year like this e cracks top 5 for me. but one is not enough for top 5 for me
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand this fixation with Ray Rice.
McCoy was better than Rice.
Foster: 327 carries 1616 yards, 16 TD’s.. 66 catches for 604 yards, 2 TD’s.. 3 fumbles.
Rice: 307 carries 1,220 yards, 5 TD’s.. 63 catches for 1 TD… 0 fumbles.
Same workload but better production from Foster. Dude’s legit, if Charles and CJ can be anointed top 10 after 1 good year (like Rice was last season) Foster deserves the honor too.
Based on last year Foster >>> Rice.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
to be fair
Charles has been producing for about 2 and half years now, but I get your counter argument.
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by Talon Talent on May 24, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, then just take Charles out of that one.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Rice> Foster
imo.
if you count only last year, then foster>all
but if you judge the top 5, then you need to do last 3 years atleast. and it’s Rice over foster there.
Ray Ray is one of the most talented backs in the game. i’d take him over anyone.
he doesn’t drop the ball or fumble
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Give me facts..
What makes Rice better? And statements that begin with “IMO”, “IMHO” and “I think/feel…” don’t count.
When I look at Top 5 I look at production, fumbles, blocking (which “Ray Ray isn’t that good at”), durability, catching and game changing, I also look at their ability against a loaded box…
Ray’s nowhere close to top 5.. My top 5 is:
(1) Chris Johnson- No comment really.
(2) Adrian Peterson- Stud.
(3) Charles- 2 1/2 years of really good production
(4) Turner- Cosistently on the top of the lists.
(5) Foster- had insane production last year which cannot be denied.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
your top 5 is not good. here is mine.
1.AP (best hb, undeniable)
2.CJ2K (fast as fuck. but he will regress in 3 years or so)
3.MJD (i dont know why this needs to be explained)
4.Ray Ray (you highly underate him. are you forgetting 09? or are you just as bad of a homer as me? except i am not a homer on this topic)
5.Steven Jackon (carries his team on his back. all around great player. underated?
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at Foster's number
maybe I’m jumping the gun but I like what I saw.
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by Mr.electric10 on May 23, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
agree.
but remember it’s the Top 5, I think that should be for the players who consistentley perform at that level. foster has to show it through a few years of greatness, not one.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see Foster falling to 5
but after that year u cant say its not “justifiable” to have him there
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by Mr.electric10 on May 24, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
yea. if your doing a top 5 list of backs from last year. he deserves to be top 2 prob. one.
but if your doing a list of top 5 backs in the NFL. he hasnt earned being there with only one year.
you understand?
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I see where your saying but I disagree he hasnt done enough. Look at the stats and you will see
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by Mr.electric10 on May 24, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i know the stats.
but remember, it’s only one year. that may have been a fluke, who knows?
we wont find out till this year if he is a top 5 player.
but there are atleast 5 players that consistentley perform to that level each and every year. which i why they are their and he’s not. tho they haven’t had more than one season like fosters. most of them have consistentley performed to a level like the one he was at
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Look at Charles
he was top 7 last year (give or take a couple spots) and now some people have him top 3. And what 5 guys are better than him. I can name 3 maybe 4 (AP, CJ, Charles maybe MJD)
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by Mr.electric10 on May 24, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
charle is #6 on my list.
tho he had a great last year. the last 3 he hasnt performed better than the 5 ahead of him
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but
remember domanick davis, or even steve slaton. Both had 1 beast year and then nothing.
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by Talon Talent on May 24, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Slaton got injured.
and it was his neck I believe, and it was pretty bad.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
he's never going to be the same
domanick davis was very injury prone as well.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 25, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
That's what I'm saying..
I don’t think it’s slatons fault so much as it was the injury.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
his rookie year was good. his second year was legendary. and last year was respectable.
he was not in my top 5 until the end of last year
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
switch Rice and McCoy if receiving ability counts
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by Mr.electric10 on May 22, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i like blount and i think hes going to be great
but no way he is in top 10 right now
1a. Adrian Peterson
1b. Chris Johnson
3. Maurice Jones-Drew
4. Jamaal Charles
5. Frank Gore
6. Steven Jackson
7. Ray Rice
8. Arian Foster
9. LeSean McCoy
10. Rashard Mendenhall
11. Matt Forte
12. Michael Turner
13. Darren McFadden
14. LeGarrette Blount
15. Peyton Hillis
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
This list is pretty spot on
I’d put Rice at 4, Foster at 5, Charles at 7, and Gore at 8
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I’m a sucker for Gore. Year after year, he’s solid. Maybe he should be a little lower though.
Others all ready said it, but I’d like to see one more year out of Foster.
Charles is just too good to drop down. He keeps it up next year, and I think he’s 1c.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
I understand that you hate the Giants, KByars
but no Ahmad Bradshaw in the top 15?
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 22, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
tho i vowed to never respond to one of your comments again.
this list is stupid. i mean its real bad. Blount in the top 15? bradshaw not? forte ahead of AB? shows how much you know
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 22, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Forte had more total yardage with 4 less fumbles and 1 more TD, working behind a vastly inferior O-line.
Blount broke 1,000 yards as a rookie without a full season’s worth of touches, and he had more yards per carry.
Shows how much you know.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
lol, you'd put blount ahead of bradshaw.
your list is stupid not to have bradshaw in the top 15, considering he’s a top 10 back.
and forte has not had one year better than what ab does splitting time with jacobs
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 23, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you read you retarded troll? Do you understand what numbers are or how they work? Do you understand how logic works? Stop shitting out of both holes and make an actual case for what you’re saying or shut the fuck up.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
"working behind a vastly inferior O-line." You do realize AB ran behind 9 different Olinemen ?
The one that shows your bias the most is Hillis. #s dont add up in anyway u try to add them up.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Not to mention LeGarrette Blounts NFL career gos back a whole 13 Games. Not sure how you justify that.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Look Ma, I got a hat trick.
Can you read you retarded troll? Do you understand what numbers are or how they work? Do you understand how logic works? Stop shitting out of both holes and make an actual case for what you’re saying or shut the fuck up.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
That sounds regurgitated... But hey when facts aloud go to ol reliable.
You should probably learn the definition of “Troll” before using it.. If it helps i have a Websters link.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
You still haven’t read anything or made a case. This isn’t BBV, you can’t just dispute things with nuh-uh here and expect that you’ll win just because you’re arguing in favor of a Giant. You actually have to back up your homer argument. Do it or get out of the discussion.
Against Forte, there is no argument. Forte had more total yardage with 4 less fumbles and 1 more TD, working behind a vastly inferior O-line. Clear cut.
Hillis had 100 yards more than Bradshaw, 5 more tds and only one more fumble. And, teams were loading the box on him, because wtf else were the Browns going to do with the ball? Again, where’s the argument?
Blount broke 1,000 yards as a rookie without a full season’s worth of touches, and he had more yards per carry than Bradshaw. All that despite getting bounced around as a UDFA because he has fists of fury.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
here is a short list that says otherwise. of the six AB would be only behind S Jackson and McFadd
AB . yrds1235 avg.4.5 rec.314. All teams focus on.close to same #s as Hillis
Hillis. yrds.1177 avg.4.4 rec. 477. Good back very close to AB Iin production
Blount. yrds.1007 avg.5.0 rec. 14. 1 dimensional, next to no sample size. Less yds. teams ignore
S Jack yrds. 1241 avg.3.8 rec.383. Good all around back same #s AB & Hillis
Mcfadd yrds.1157 avg.5.2 rec. 507. same #s above
Mendenhall yrds.1271avg.3.9 rec.167 1 dimensional all above are far better.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
I notice you didn’t total any of those yardage numbers or include TDs or fumbles. Maybe you’d like to try again.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
why would i include fumbles? thats not gonna help my case.
with regard to that some of the best backs from past n present have had the drops AP , Tiki off the top of my head. Fumbles were not a problem for him in the past and may not be in the future.
kinda like Eli and Brees with regard to INts.
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why would i include fumbles? thats not gonna help my case.
If you’re going to arbitrarily disregard anything that goes against a Giant, because you’re a Giants’ fan, it makes it very hard to consider your argument to be legitimate. Know what I mean?
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Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
I kinda explained that since he had no history of fumbles
then it was more likely an aberration.(at least i hope)
You shouldn’t ignore the affect running behind back up OLinemen or being game planed against has has on a back.
I was joking with the fumble statement.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
I’m an Eagles’ fan, I understand the effect of bad offensive lines much better than I care to.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
see now your playing nice.
And thats why they got Vick . seams he can play behind 3 O linemen and do fine.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Why not. I just got a Giants fan to agree to Bradshaw at 15 with Blount close behind.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
For the record. AB > Hillis, Blount and Mendenhall
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And, the Phils are finally hitting again.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
can we not talk about baseball?
thx.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Forte ahead of AB but you can leave out vastly inferior O-line
being as AB was playing behind 3rd stringers 1/2 the yr.
Blount still falls on deff ears . cant catch small sample . very easy to have high yd per carry when you hardly had the touches of most backs.
And if you were to watch a Giant pre game every team came in with full blown game plan for AB. Most all said “Hes a game changer” hardly the case with Blount maybe next yr it will b. but until then lets save the parade for another day.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Down to just Blount. The fact that Bradshaw is a Giant, and Blount isn’t holds no sway here. 1,000 yards isn’t that small of a sample size. The thing that held him back coming out of college was his temper not his talent.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
No ill take the proven 7th rounder over the talented unproven guy.
But he will be tested next yr n ill be sure to be back here if he dos well or not.
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dont respod to KByayrs, Troy
he doesnt know anything and spends his life respnding to my comments. and may start doing so to you.
he doesnt really know annything about football. dont waist your time
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Who would have thought that this would be appropriate two times in a row.
Can you read you retarded troll? Do you understand what numbers are or how they work? Do you understand how logic works? Stop shitting out of both holes and make an actual case for what you’re saying or shut the fuck up.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
Is every list someone makes stupid to you? I’ve seen that same comment (that list is stupid. i mean it’s real bad) at least 4 times already.
you saw it twice.
and both of them were ones that had legareete blounte in the top 10 or 15 and ahed of bradshaw and jacobs
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 23, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
only issue with the list is Forte
I just dont see anything about him that excitates me for the future I also have Bradshaw over McFadden
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by Mr.electric10 on May 22, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Versatility. When I look at RBs, I don’t just look at rushing numbers; I look at total yardage too.
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okay if thats the case
shouldnt Rice be higher because of his receiving totals
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by Mr.electric10 on May 22, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
He could be; I didn’t put him there for a few reasons. He didn’t find the endzone that much, but some of that has to do with how Baltimore used him. Also, he was pretty spotty last year; he either had a huge game or not much of one.
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Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
LeGarrette Blount 1020 total yrds. AB 1549 total yds.
Now im just confused.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Too easy.
Go read, then come back.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
You should run for office
Your very good at saying a lot when actually saying nothing at all.
Spin away..
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
you pick and choose
which stats to talk about and when and it is an always changing which stats you pick. its hilarious really that you freely admit you ignore stats that hurt your argument so how can anyone take you seriously
you know he was kidding right?
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
disagree, we already have enough idiots in washington. this guy (even tho it seams impossible) will make it worse
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Kid, stfu about politics. You’ve got no clue what you’re talking about.
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calm down
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It's cool if people don't have Bradshaw in their top 15.
I’ll take this:
Bradshaw 1235 yds, 4.5 YPA, 8 TDs, 47 catches, 314 yards Yards from Scrimmage: 1549
If it means that I can add in Brandon Jacobs’ totals too
Jacobs 823 yds, 5.6 YPA, 9 TDs, 7 catches, 59 yards Yards from Scrimmage: 882
Yeap, Jacobs had the 2nd highest yards per carry in the NFL, almost 1000 yards, and 9 more TDs as a running back.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 12:02 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And yes, I know Vick had ridiculous stats running too.
Better than Jacobs’ probably. But that’s cool, I’m talkin’ running backs, and the Jacobs/Bradshaw tandem is one of the best running back tandems in the league.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, you can have two running backs count as one if that’s what it takes to level the playing field.
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Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
yeap
Jacobs is ranked 22nd in rushing yards. Bradshaw is ranked 9th.
McCoy is ranked 14th, and Vick 32nd. Props to Vick for even rushing that much as a QB. But I’ll take a tandem of Jacobs/Bradshaw over Vick/McCoy any day in terms of rushing.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
You really have to twist the parameters to make the Giants come out ahead in this one.
2010 team totals
Eagles- 2327 rushing yards. 5.4 ypc. 18 TDs. 7 fumbles.
Giants- 2200 rushing yards. 4.6 ypc. 17 TDs. 14 fumbles.
Better total numbers, almost a yard more per carry and half the number of fumbles.
Bear in mind that those numbers don’t account for receiving yards by running backs. I can add those up tomorrow if you’d like.
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I know
I’m not saying the rushing attack is more effective at all, I just said I’d rather take Bradshaw/Jacobs over Vick/McCoy in a duo.
Apologies if it came off any other way. Y’all had like jerome harrison in there too, whereas our 3rd back didn’t really do much. And the YPC is because Vick had like a 6.something YPC which is ridiculous, props to him.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
C’mon bro, I expect better out of you. You can’t play the disregard anything that doesn’t favor the Giants game.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
haha mulligan?
In any case, the thing with fumbles can apply to other areas as well.
People regard fumbles as an important statistic because it acts as a negative play towards the team. I say the same thing with regards to durability. Y’all know where this is going.
You can be the greatest player in the world, but if you’re not on the field, it acts as a deterrent and a negative for the team. Regardless of if you’re a QB, RB, K, whatever.
Everybody disregards Eli’s durability streak (especially important when considering Eli vs Romo) and constantly bring up the negative values that Bradshaw brings with the fumbles.
So again, it depends on how much consideration one wants to put into these “negative plays.” You penalize them, then penalize them equally. If you don’t, then keep it consistent.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So we should be harder on Eli for the turnovers?
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I think y'all already have that covered haha
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
take your stats…… if bradshaw was a stud he will still be in blue next year…… my guess is hes gone though…… btw jacobs sucks guy had one good year……. and with your stats are u aware the giants are a run first team and the eagles attempt to run the ball maybe 12-14 times a game?
Yup Jacobs sucks
…that’s why he averages over 8 TDs/year….2007 and 2008 was a 1000 yard rusher (in 08 had 15 TDs).
In 2009 and 2010, as the back up he got over 800 yards both years and has a combined 14 TDs.
Terrible. I know.
And with my stats I’m aware that the Giants ran the ball 30 times a game. Your Eagles ran 27 times a game, twice what you think.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
lol, jacobs is the most unique back in the NFL.
and he is a starter on almost any team. he is top 15 back for sure
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 23, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
jacobs is the most unique back in the NFL.
and he is a starter on almost any team. he is top 15 back for sure
This is why people call you shit pants.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
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sorry bud...
He couldn’t beat out Bradshaw.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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he averages 8 touchdowns a year...... WHO GIVES A SHIT brahhh
they use him in the redzone because hes huge…… and still fails at times gaining that one yard in the redzone for the TD……. did u see him fail in preseason vs the jets on the 1 yard line THREE times LOL……. u giants fans are so sad…… prepare to be swept again this year
Yeah I know... I mean if we threw a 260lb man at the Endzone 25+ times a year
he’d average 8 TD’s a season.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
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wow
never realized that preseason meant so much! Look at what i’ve been missing!
And yeah, Jacobs sucks. Sucks so much that he had more yards per carry than your boy McCoy.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
On..
60 less carries and by only .4 lmao.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
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didn't say he was better than him, did I?
5.6 with 150 carries is nothing to sniff at. And half a yard is actually pretty significant considering the lead guy was Charles at 6.1 which is 2nd all time I believe for running backs? So 5.6 is definitely impressive.
I was responding to this mike ginz fellow who says that Jacobs that seems to be telling me that i’m “sad” and that jacobs isn’t good.
Not top 15 good, but as far as back up running backs go he’s definitely one of the top ones, wouldn’t you say, W_E?
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
While I agree it's not small thing..
I’m just saying it’s harder to hold a YPC of 5.2 over 207 carries than it is to carry 5.6 over 147 carries..
Also I’d agree with mike a little. Jacobs doesn’t run like he should he’s gotten away from that for some reason. I use to like to watch him run but now I just get mad that a guy who runs a 4.5 at 260lb’s dances like a princess.
As far as backup RB’s and whatnot yeah I guess he can have the title of best scruby RB lmao.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
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.....
Jacobs doesn’t run like he should he’s gotten away from that for some reason. I use to like to watch him run but now I just get mad that a guy who runs a 4.5 at 260lb’s dances like a princess.
I’ll agree to that. He’s gotten away from that style for the past couple years, though he got closer to being the bowling ball of the past last year. 2009 was just bad, though.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Jacobs played like he did in 2009 for all but like 2-3 games in 2010.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
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lol, no.
jacobs first few games were like 09.
but after he got benched after the throwing his helmet inscedent. he lit it up. literally crushing people again, and running past people with speed. he was good
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry. Most of the season was 09 Jacobs.. BBI even agreed.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
your both wrong then.
because for atleast the second half, he turned it on
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
thats agree'd upon. ofcourse its harder to do more with more time
Jacobs doesnt run like he should cuz killdrive uses him impropely. runs bradshaw up the middle, and BJ to the sides. its just dumb
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
he's still the most unique back in the league.
his got size and speed.
wait for it, he’ll have another year like 08 and 07.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesnt even start on your own team lol
your such a homer
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This
been quiet over the weekend so catching up on all the threads. Good god, LT kills me with his responses. “I dont care if they have better numbers, and all the signs show that these players are better than the Giants players, Ill still take the Giants”. WTF! Ive just stopped even regarding the LT’s posts as anything but comedic, and I have to wonder if maybe he is slightly retarded.
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He's not retarded
He is a young kid who loves playing and watching football. He has balls mixing it up with older, more savvy and resourceful people who comment on these sites. Admittedly, he relies on his heart and his eyes more than many would like here, and he doesn’t have an older persons vocabulary or tact to rephrase phrases like “your list is stupid.” Yet. I won’t ask anyone to give him a break, but do you have to call him retarded?
Just get it done already...
Tell you what, we’ll send someone over to post 100 homer comments a day on BBV, see how long your patience lasts.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
I understand,
I’ve certainly lost my patience with some people on theses sites. Usually when someone writes something like “fuck your stupid.” Not many, though, most people are just solid, passionate fans. And I have three kids so I know how CRAZY they can make a person. I guess it’s just the parent in me looking out for the kid. That and I am sensitive to the word retarded.
Just get it done already...
Fair enough Tommy
No slight was intended with the use of the word retarded. The Real LT just indeed rubs you raw with his inane comments. Typically we dont care what language is used on this sight but understand where you are coming from. How about I refer to him as mentally diminished?
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Being an Eagles fan is so awesome, even Giants fans want to be one.
well i guess all i can do is say thanks
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
"I dont care if they have better numbers, and all the signs show that these players are better than the Giants players, Ill still take the Giants"
show me where i said this?
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You never said that word for word
But you say more homer shit than anyone here. You said it point blank about the ELi thing. Im just assuming based on your arguments that it applies to all things giants. YOu aint looking through blue tinted glasses. You got fucking Lasik: NY Giants edition.
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by Udalango on May 24, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
you can think what you want.
and tho i am very homeristic. not all my comments are that. dont act like i dont know anything
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
your the one who acts like that not me
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i know you are, but what am i?
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You got fucking Lasik: NY Giants edition.
That is one of the best quotes ever
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by Mr.electric10 on May 24, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
lol’d at this
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by Talon Talent on May 24, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
*takes a bow*
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Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company
Ha
that was indeed a money quote. Laughed my ass off on that one.
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that would be an interesting ranking
the best overall running attack by team.
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by Mr.electric10 on May 23, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
i would be counting all rush so WR/QB rush yards included
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by Mr.electric10 on May 23, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
that shouldnt count tho.
because it’s RB tandem.
wr’s and qb’s aren’t meant to rush, they rush cuz the play turns out that way.
it should be hb’s only
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 23, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
ummmm there are plays designed specifically for the qb and wr to run
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yea, there are certain plays for that.
but it’s like the statue of liberty play. rarely even used once a week, so why count it?
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Cause its def more than that.
Thats like saying Hail marys shouldnt count cause they dont happen alot. You cant just discount a certain type of play.
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i'm not discounting that play.
but i wouldnt count hail mary plays as running back recieving plays.
just like i wouldn’t count the wr double pass option as a rushing play
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
lol dude you totally misunderstood what i said
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whats the difference
a run is a run
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by Mr.electric10 on May 23, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
When you first
posted that you would be counting QB’s I didn’t bat an eye, as they say, but I think LT has a point about a QB’s rushing attempts and yards are way more often because he had to scrap the play that is called and escape. I don’t know if it should be included or not (?). I’m still thinking as I write this and I would say, yeah, throw it in. You could always break it down both ways, with the QB’s stats and without. It’s a great idea…
Just get it done already...
I agree with this tommy
though I’m not sure where those stats would be available, because it certainly would be a little helpful
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 24, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I suppose
someone (not asking anybody to do any work here!) would take all RB’s, WR’s, and QB’s rushing yards and add them up, no? You would have to look at each individual players stats at those positions so you don’t miss anybody.
To simplify it, just do the RB’s.
It would be nice, though, if designed running plays for a QB could be separated from escape runs, and include those, but I know I’m not that ambitious to go looking for that info!
In essence, I liked the idea and it would be another list to talk about :-)
Just get it done already...
someone (not asking anybody to do any work here!) would take all RB’s, WR’s, and QB’s rushing yards and add them up, no? You would have to look at each individual players stats at those positions so you don’t miss anybody.
You can just look up team totals. Save the effort
It would be nice, though, if designed running plays for a QB could be separated from escape runs, and include those, but I know I’m not that ambitious to go looking for that info!
For the more mobile quarterbacks, running is often used in a similar fashion to a checkdown. The time taken to compile that list would be prohibitive. The result would also be so open to interpretation that it would probably be useless.
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You can take that..
but why not count the fumbles?
That’s part of the reason he wouldn’t be in my top 15.
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I know, and I don't have an argument on it
because you either consider fumbles a sticking point, or you don’t. Bradshaw’s fumbles hurt him, yes, but I think that in terms of pure productivity otherwise, he’s a top 10 back. Which is why I place him at 9 or 10. If you really want to ding him, I don’t think he should drop below 15….maybe 12 or 13 at the lowest.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I consider fumbles a part of productivity.
it’s counterproductive yes, but you can’t just take that away.
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fair enough, then it just depends on how much you take them into consideration
when penalizing a player.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
When you have 7 of them I take them pretty heavily into my consideration.
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And honestly I'd have Bradshaw at like 16
Chris Johnson, Peterson, McCoy, Gore, Steven Jackson, McFadden, Arian Foster, Charles, Mendenhall, Rice, Forte, Turner, McCoy, MJD, LT and maybe Peyton Hillis all go ahead of Bradshaw.
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meh
I’d have bradshaw over mendenhall, forte, turner, lt, hillis, mcfadden, and probably sjax at this point. But c’est la vie.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh..
Forte produced very well. Hillis’s stats are undeniable. Turners a downright stud. Sjax is a stud. McFadden maybe could move down.. But Mendenhall? Mendenhalls up there with the best.
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so then why is McCoy so high in your rankings?
If you went simply by yards from scrimmage, mccoy would be much lower than 4th. If you went by traditional rushing yards, he’s ranked 14th.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Both. Look at him as a receiver and rusher.. He had an insane year.
Also he was as consistent as they come.
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with a broken rib
had an insane year and was the best in the NFL against the loaded box he defines balanced RB
exactly lol.
He’s as tough as they come.
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McCoy is tough
and (not trying to make any comparisons or anything; just commenting) Bradshaw is as well. Dude had two broken feet. Broken feet as a running back. Plus he messed up his ankles. Had multiple surgeries this offseason on his feet to get that fixed.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Dammit
BBI we rank McCoy higher because we said so!! Blargh, that and he makes us feel warm and fuzzy.
Sorry, just playing catch up on all the threads, and I think LT rubbed off on my response.
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David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
True... But not being able to breathe properly is hampering too...
I’m just saying both can be tough..
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as am I
the East knows how to train its running backs.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm..
I’d say the northern part of the Beast does…
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Seems to always coincide with a year or two after Jerruh gets cocky and tries to take over for the guy who actually brought them back to some level of respectability.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
haha I stand corrected
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It's true..
Who’s on the Redskins roster worth a damn? And who’s tough on Dallas?
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ehh
Torain might be somebody to watch.
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by Talon Talent on May 24, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so. Torain while is talented
I don’t think he’s really Shanny’s type. I could be completely wrong..
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I highlighted Bradshaw's numbers with McCoy's
They had similar years, with Bradshaw having 150 yards or so less. The only reasoning than you could possibly have for Bradshaw being 11 spots lower is the fumbling? I mean yeah, ding him for that, but 11 spots?
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see that
Its a potential drive killer so if you have a guy who rushes 90 yards down the field and on the next play he fumbles and the other team gets it its almost like those 90 yards dont count
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It’s not an arbitrary 11 spots; there were 15 RBs better than Bradshaw.
Hillis is the only one you’d have a legitimate argument against being better than Bradshaw, but teams were loading the box on him, because wtf else were the Browns going to do with the ball?
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Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
meh I'm just going to agree to disagree on that one.
although by many stats, your argument works. Bradshaw and Mccoy both pass my eye test, and both are extremely balanced. There are also quite a few stats that can be molded in Bradshaw’s favor in terms of being a top 15 rb as well.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget that Bradshaw is an outstanding pass blocker.
I won’t pretend to know how good most of the guys we have on the lists are at pass blocking, but 44 is great at it.
Just get it done already...
well lawrence taylor isn't an hb.
but ladanian tomilson ahead of him.
it’s not 2006
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 23, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Dumb.
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dumb? You put Ladanian tomilson ahead of AB? really
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
The dumb was referring to your dumbass joke.
LT’s one of the best ever. He even split time with Greene and still almost broke 1,000 yards.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
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LT’s one of the best ever. He even split time with Greene and still almost broke 1,000 yards.
LT is one of the best line backers ever, but thats not the point.
ladanian tomilson is not a top 10 all=time hb. so he is not one of the best ever.
and as you say he split time with green and almost broke 1000?
the same thing jacobs did with bradshaw?
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
LT is a RB. Sorry bud. And how is he not one of the greatest to ever play the game? He is 6th all time in rushing yards, he is second all time in rushing touchdowns, he is third all time in touchdowns scored, he is 6th all time in yards from scrimmage, he is 9th all time in all purpose yardage, he is a 5 time pro-bowler and a 6 time all pro. The guy is one of the best running backs to ever play the game and he is still only 31 and in a great situation to push himself further up the all time record lists.
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by d-jackfan10 on May 25, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Umm..
(1) LT = Ladanian Tomlinson, get your head out of your ass.
(2) He’s #6 currently on the list of rushing yards… that translates to top 10 All-Time.
(3) LT had 914 rushing yards. Jacobs had 823.. I wouldn’t say 823 is that close, that’s a game and a half for Jacobs considering his rushing yards per game average.
(4) LT also has eight seasons of 1,000+ yards. 3 of them are 1500+ yards…
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
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LT is lawrence taylor. the GOAT in defensive history
So because jim brown is not in the top 5 on the all-time rushing list he’s not the best ever?
and jacobs last few games he was ready to eclipse 200 yards. and considering he sat out a game. was not there the first 3. and AB is better and had a better season than greene. your argument is beat
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe the GOAT is Beyonce
according to Kanye at least.
Wilpon thinks he's going to get Yankees money. He won't get it. Everything's been wrong with this team.
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I'm the shmuck who gave him my contract of loyalty even though he's an idiot. And now, he's increased that idiocy by 65-70%
by BigBlueIntervention on May 25, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
lol. i think kanye even know LT is the GOAT
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no way LT is the GOAT. How are you ranking him above Walter Payton, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, OJ Simpson and Gale Sayers?
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by d-jackfan10 on May 26, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Think he’s referring to Lawence Taylor, not LaDainian. He’s probably still wrong, but still.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
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Think he’s referring to Lawence Taylor, not LaDainian
I know, I’m trolling him but now he knows. :(
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yeah 400th comment! w00t
Wilpon thinks he's going to get Yankees money. He won't get it. Everything's been wrong with this team.
Fred Wilpon: Not a good owner. Really not a very good owner. Definitely not a superstar.
I'm the shmuck who gave him my contract of loyalty even though he's an idiot. And now, he's increased that idiocy by 65-70%
by BigBlueIntervention on May 26, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
i knew it anyways
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 26, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
then AP
should not have been in your top 10 last year
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 23, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok.
Bradshaw 2010-
11 starts (16 games played)
1,235 yards, 8 TD’s, 7 fumbles… Add on 314 receiving yards is you please…
AP 2009-
15 starts (16 games played)
1,383 yards, 18TD’s, 7 fumbles.. Add on 436 receiving yards if you did with Bradshaw.(I know how you Giant fans like selective stats).
No. AP deserved top 10 last season, 18:7 ratio is much better than an 8:7 ration on TD to fumbles. Also AP played much more than Bradshaw did which Bradshaw splitting time with Jacobs.
Let’s take this a step further… AP had 357 touches, he fumbled 7 times… Bradshaw had 323 touches and fumbles 7 times… What’s the difference? 34 touches and 10 TD’s.
AP’s bad fumbling season deserves much more recognition than Bradshaw’s bad fumbling season… Let’s face it. Bradshaw’s not top 15, and after researching that I’m even thinking he’s lucky I got him in my top 20.
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well if you include the TD ratio.
a good 6 of those TD’s were taken by BJ, AP doesnt have a spell back like bradshaw does.
and to not include bradshaw in the top 15. but to include legarette blount or ladanian tomilson is just not smart IMO.
we show your HB respect where deserved.
why dont you show ours respect when he deserves it?
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm.
a good 6 of those TD’s were taken by BJ, AP doesnt have a spell back like bradshaw does.
This is a piss poor argument. AP doesn’t need a spellback because he’s an all around RB.. Not his fault he’s capable of doing it all. Bradshaw needs a power guy because he’s not really that strong… And you can’t assume Bradshaw would’ve produced like “BJ”.
and to not include bradshaw in the top 15. but to include legarette blount or ladanian tomilson is just not smart IMO.
Umm. When did I put Blount in my top 15? I give your HB’s a lot of credit, Bradshaws at like 17 on my list.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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if bradshaw is 17 on your list.
please show me the 16 better than him.
especially since you like last years stats so much, and he finished in top 5 in those
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Johnson, Peterson, McCoy, Gore, Steven Jackson, McFadden, Arian Foster, Charles, Mendenhall, Rice, Forte, Turner, McCoy, MJD, LT and Peyton Hillis
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Lmao..
I was actually listening to some sports radio thing my friend does from his house and he was bitching about NFL QB’s being overrated and I heard Colt McCoy and just instinctivly wrote McCoy.. SO ignore the 2nd McCoy.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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Yeah it's still 15 players minus that extra McCoy..
It should also be know those are in no particular order.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
i hope that wasnt in order... and
LT and Peyton Hillis Forte McFadden
cut your list down to what it should be
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno people are saying Lesean is too high but I think he’s at the right spot. Lagerrette Blount however is too high.. He is a very gifted rookie coming very overlooked from the perspective of the draft because he slugged a dude but top 10? He did have 1000 yard with a 5.0 avg but mccoy was at 5.3 with about 580 more recieving yards.. Blount did a good amout a with a moderate amount of touches. His potential is very high but I dont think hes top 10 yet..
Ok my crack at this.
(1) Chris Johnson.
(2) Jamaal Charles.
(3) Peterson.
(4) Lesean McCoy
(5) MJD
(6) Turner
(7) Gore
(8) Jackson
Last 3 are interchangeable. And McCoy gets the nose up due to catching ability and what he does in the passing game.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
I'm enjoying the love for Jamaal Charles
…well deserved, in my opinion.
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by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude's still on the bubble.
At times last year he looked like he was a joke.. Then he’d blow shit up… I think he needs to give an all round solid body of work next season, be more consistent.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
rice should be over mccoy if you wanna acount recieving ability.
MJD over McCoy if you wanna account anything.
i rrespect McCoy but 4 is way too high
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 23, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
McCoy was the leading reciever
on a team with Jackson, Maclin, Avant, Celek his receiving ability is on par with any RB in the NFL
i take ray rice over him anyday.
ray ray’s mix of size and speed. with his great hands and blocking ability, soon one day may make him the best in the NFL
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm.
Ray Rice:
5’8 212lbs… Ran a 4.4 at the Combine… And he’s not that good of a blocker, they bring McGahee in on obvious blocking downs.
McCoy:
5’11 208lbs.. Ran a 4.4 at the combine… And he blocked very well last season.
You’re opinion is fueled by McCoy being an Eagle.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
McCoy did not run at the combine, he ran a 4.5 at his pro-day.
And he’s not that good of a blocker, they bring McGahee in on obvious blocking downs.
Again, not true.
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My bad..
I saw 4.42 on one of the scouting report websites.
I never saw Ray block and I watched a ton of Balt games.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
you are mis-informed
as djackfan said above. rice blocks. and he does so well.
as you can see, i respect McCoy. but in no way is he better than rice or even close
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
but in no way is he better than rice or even close
Even close? I don’t know about that… Right now I’m giving Ray Rice the lead because he has been doing it just a little longer but LeSean had a better 2010 and if he edges out Ray Rice again in 2011 then we’ll know for sure that LeSean is better.
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by d-jackfan10 on May 24, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i like ray ray's talents to leseans.
i doubt that ray ray regresses so early.
your right tho. if the next to years lesean out performs him by a lot. then he’s ahead.
but ray ray has all the talents you look for in an hb.
i really think one day he may be #1 on my list and everyone elses too.
he’s gonna have a great year next year imo. especially if baltimore utilizes him more in their new-found passing attack
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do I get the feeling you’re a Rutgers fan too?
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by d-jackfan10 on May 24, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It has nothing to do with Ray regressing
McCoy is going to be better next year because he hasn’t reached his ceiling yet you like Rice’s talents and think he could improve to #1 but completely ignore McCoy is younger and has shown tremendous improvement over a short time McCoy is better then Rice and will be even better next year
but the same exact things you say for mccoy can be said for rice
rice in no way has hit his ceiling.
he is in his young young twenties
rice had a better year his second year then mccoy did last.
ric’s #‘s last year were also better than mccoy’s
i am not saying mccoy is bad. but i take rice over him.
they are both 2nd round steals. and rice is now, but one day mccoy will be top 5 with him
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm.
McCoy’s quicker, faster, stronger, agiler and a bigger playmaker…
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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I’ll give Shady quickness but he isn’t stronger, have you seen Ray Rice’s thighs? The guy is built like a freight train.
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by d-jackfan10 on May 25, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
That loaded box stats are a very limited sample size, it said it in the link that only 4 players had 30 or more carries against the loaded box.
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by d-jackfan10 on May 25, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
McCoy's the stronger runner..
I like Rice a lot actually. But watch the two of them play.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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lol.
i like you and all. but i’m done responding to your comments on this thread.
i dont wanna start any more shit.
and i know i do it a lot to, but your homerism is showing, zip it up
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
This is in-correct thinking.
finished it 4 ya ;)
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Umm,
McCoy:
207 carries, 1,080 yards, 7 TD’s. 78 catches, 592 yards, 2 TD’s… He had 2 fumbles.
Total production- 1672 yards, 9 TD’s and 2 fumbles.
Rice:
307 carries, 1,220 yards, 5 TD’s. 63 catches for 556 yards, 1 TD.. He had 0 fumbles.
Total production- 1,776, 6 TD’s and 0 fumbles.
MJD:
299 carries, 1,324 yards, 5 TD’s. 34 catches for 317 yards, 2 TD’s.. He had 2 fumbles.
Total Production- 1,641 yards, 7 TD’s and 2 fumbles.
First off. McCoy kicks the shit out of MJD. McCoy had more yards, and more TD’s than MJG on significantly less touches (MJD had 333 touches, McCoy had 285 touches).
Secondly, while Rice barely had more yards than McCoy, McCoy had 3 more TD’s, and I’d be dumb as hell to not give up 104 yards in return for 3 more TD’s… BUT your argument was receiving ability, McCoy had the better receiving stats all around…
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
remember Many of rice's TD's were hawked away by his spell back. McCoy doesnt have a spell back.
and i know you love your McCoy, and we respect him. but really? you put him ahead of MJD? i know i have homerism. but you cant say thats not homerism.
MJD had a down year and was actually i heard hurt last year. dont try to make your case for McCoy over MJD. because it just doesnt work when you use a down year for MJD against a career year for McCoy
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
So what? McCoy doesn’t NEED a spell back like a 5’9 Rice does. McCoy has no NEED to come out.. McCoy is a 3 down back..
And McCoy vs MJD.. Look at the stats I listed above.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
you think rice needs a spell back, lol
rice is more talented than McCoy
and MJD is one of the most talented players in the league.
i hate how you do not understand that it was only last year, not the last 3. McCoy is not better than either of those two
stop accusing me of homerism if this is what you are saying.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
why?
Why do you think Rice is more talented then McCoy give me one reason other then I think he does I tell you why I think McCoy has more potential
1. McCoy is younger
2. McCoy is bigger but just as fast
3. McCoy has shown more progression
4. McCoy has stats stolen by Vick
5. McCoy had no right side of an OL last year
6. McCoy played with a broken rib
7. McCoy was the best in the box runner in the NFL last year
now you give me 1 reason to believe Rice has more TALENT then McCoy
I'm not going to get in this argument
BUT one could argue that Vick opened things up for McCoy.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 25, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
That could be argued
but if we are going down that road then stats and performance don’t matter because it can be argued any player opens it up for another like Johnson and Schaub or Vick and McCoy or Young and CJ2K so I recognize it could be argued that way I just want to know why he thinks Rice has all this talent and McCoy doesn’t
hmmm
I believe he’s arguing that Rice should be higher than McCoy. That should be the crux of it. I won’t get involved, though. Too easy to get sucked into these kinds of things lol.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 25, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
He has been saying Rice is bettern then McCoy
and that Rice could get to top 3 or #1 next year because he has so much talent but when I said that McCoy could be top three he acted like that was insanity here i was simply questioning why he thought Rice had talent and potential to improve to top tier so i took the initiative and listed the reasons i think McCoy could make that jump
rice will be top 4 next year.
but as long as peterson is here, then he will not be 1.
remember how much i respect mccoy
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
See, it can be argued Vick opens things up for McCoy,
but it can also be argued Vick steals some of McCoy’s production (which is a fair argument)..
I just look at it as this is how it played out, it was the happy medium of both arguments so I go on what actually happened.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
fair enough
was throwing out a random point anyways haha
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 25, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh no I think we're in agreement..
Both sides can be argued effectively… So I just assume the actually production was the balance of both possibilites.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
by wild_eagle on May 25, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
tho BBI won't get into it, and i already told you i respect McCoy.
but in no way do i hink he is more talented than Ray Rice. be glad with the respect he gets from us.
Vick deffinitley opened things up for him. not saying he’s not talented. but i can sure as hell tell you that teams woried much more for containing vick then McCoy.
i like Ray Ray’s hands to his.
I Like Ray Ray’s ability to hold on the ball to his
i like Ray Ray’s pottential to his
I like Ray Ray’s Power to his
Mcoy is Faster, but Ray Ray aint slow.
McCoy and ray ray’s agility are close. but i give it to McCoy.
i dont understand exactly hy you think mccoy is better
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Give a legitimate reason using stats, measurements, hell even some legit film that's not some youtube highlight remix
to support your claims..
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
lol. i dont have the time to put effort into my explainations with stats and film.
i know the truth. if i’m wrong i’ll admit it. but im deffinitley right here.
how bout you use Ray Ray and McCoy’s last 2 seasons stats.
or any of Ray Ray’s highlights (remember that 75 yard run in the playoffs last year?)
your argument is not good on this subject. Ray Ray is better than McCoy. deal with it. it doesnt mean mccoy is bad. it means that a relly great player is better.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
lol. i dont have the time to put effort into my explainations with stats and film.
i know the truth. if i’m wrong i’ll admit it. but im deffinitley right here.
This is why you should not be allowed here. Go back to BBV.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
Also dumbass
a down year for MJD against a career year for McCoy
It was last season lol…
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
yes. which makes you the dumbass for not understanding.
it was a career year for McCoy and MJD had a down year.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a career year
because it was only his second year
McCoy will be so much better next year when he is healthy and has a RG and trains more that it isn’t even going to be funny
i think he will regress net year if teams find a way to stop vick or vick gets injured
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
So?
MJD had a down year because he’s regressing. McCoy had a good year because he’s improving…
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
by wild_eagle on May 25, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
MJD isn't regressing over one down year.
he had a great season the year before. it’s not like he sucked last year.
do you honostley think mccoy is better than mjd
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the problem with one good yr rb's
The first good year the opposing defenses have nothing to study, but in the off season they can study the backs. Once is lucky , twice is skill . Foster and McCoy are really going to be focused on by def. Coordinators this off season. We will soon find out if they are truly deserving of top 10 and top 5 status.
by Saidrick on May 23, 2011 3:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
great point
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
More on case for LeGarrete Blount
Again, to reiterate he played in only 13 games with 7 starts! count them! That should not produce a 1,000 yard runner, but it did. He also came off basically a full year of no football, and came right in productively.
Another thing I incorporated on this list was a little personal bias of style. (See McCoy #4, and Blount #10) Where they may be put a little high statistically, this is where I see them fit, if I went generic it would be a boring list.
you dont think that will change once
teams start game planning for him? And what is the cut off? 3 games, 6 games? It is SOOOO premature to give players all be it good players, such high regard with such a small sampling size.
There are far more established/productive players that are more deserving of that ranking. IMHO
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Only if you’re a homer and trying to make a case for Bradshaw.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
Your vast intelect shines brighter every time you speak
don’t stop now your single handedly lowering the collective IQ of the entire Eagle fan base.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
“Nuh-uh, Bradshaw is a Giant,” is not a valid argument on BGN. Let’s try to limit this to one string, see above.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
If you’re going to try to make statements about intellect, you may want work on your grammar, spelling, math and logic.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
haha.
Yeah, in reality the case for Bradshaw is about as valid as the case for blunt, not more valid. Although Mendenhall and Gore probably have a better case.
lol blunt
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 23, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
How so? He is one year removed from 2000 yards from scrimmage in 2009. In the past two seasons, he has 3,817 yards from scrimmage and 14 touchdowns. He is remarkably consistent, he has rushed for at least 80 yards in 21 of his past 32 games. He has averaged 9.7 yards after the catch and 9.2 yards after the catch the past two seasons. And his numbers would be absolutely astounding if he didn’t have Willis McGahee eating up all the red zone opportunities scoring 18 redzone TDs the past two seasons.
To put Ray Rice’s numbers into perspective, let’s compare them to Brian Westbrook’s 2006 and 2007 numbers.
Ray Rice in 2009-2010: 2,559 rushing yards, 12 rushing touchdowns, 1,258 receiving yards, 141 catches, 2 TDs, 3,817 all purpose yards and 14 all purpose touchdowns. In this time frame Ray Rice has averaged 5.4 yards per touch.
Brian Westbrook in 2006-2007: 2,550 yards, 14 rushing touchdowns, 1,470 receiving yards, 167 catches, 9 TDs, 2,020 all purpose yards and 23 all purpose touchdowns. In this time frame Brian Westbrook averaged 5.8 yards per touch.
His production isn’t that far off and it would likely be even greater than Westbrook’s production if Rice wasn’t sharing the ball with Willis McGahee and Le’Ron McClain. In terms of all purpose yardage, Ray Rice’s numbers are as good as any in the league and when Willis McGahee is cut from the Ravens (probably this off season) expect Ray’s touchdown production to sky rocket.
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by d-jackfan10 on May 24, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
That was a mistake on Brian Westbrook’s all purpose yards, that’s supposed to be 4020 yards not 2020.
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"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on May 24, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
God damn my typos. I really need to re-read what I type.
he has rushed for at least 80 yards in 21 of his past 32 games.
He has rushed for at least 70 yards in 21 of his last 32 games.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
wholeheartedly agreed.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 24, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice
signature BBI. Im a Dodgers fan and Im dealing with the awesomness of the McCourts. A storied franchise dealing with that crap and having the league step in. Awesome!
Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination.-Oscar Wilde
"I would go to battle any time with these guys"-MV7
Being an Eagles fan is so awesome, even Giants fans want to be one.
"thanks" I guess
I was just royally pissed off.
I can take shit from fellow fans.
I can take shit from the media.
…..
I will not take shit from my own fucking owner, whose been submarining this once proud franchise into the ground and alienating the only real beacons of hope we have left to cling to.
Yeah, Trickster, I feel your pain, man. I just wish now the league would step in with our franchise as well.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 24, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah its fucking garbage
Its like seriously, how do the owners let this shit happen? In the end the owners will just cut their losses while the fans wil have to deal with the fallout of letting the franchise hit bottom. Not to mention, apparently the SF fan who was beat is now suing the Dodgers for not providing enough safety. Im not sure how far that will get but just another stain on the team.
Who knows how long the league will step in though, but Im hoping someone steps up to take it over because I’m pretty sure the McCourts will sell but not before wringing it out to dry.
Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination.-Oscar Wilde
"I would go to battle any time with these guys"-MV7
Being an Eagles fan is so awesome, even Giants fans want to be one.
wholeheartedly agreed.
The MLB is in the pisser as is…Wilpon just stated that he stands to lose $70 mill just this season, and his comments are going to alienate the fanbase even more.
It’s the perfect shitstorm. And I can imagine a similar effect on the Dodgers because of that whole SF fan ordeal.
…..Major changes need to be made.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 24, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
how?
Ry Ray is one of the most talented young backs in football
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, I'm going to play devil's advocate here.
LeSean McCoy is too high on all of our lists. Yes, LeSean McCoy has pretty stats and looked great on paper last season. Yes, LeSean McCoy is talented. And yes, LeSean McCoy is a top 2 receiving RB in the NFL.
But, the massive improvements that LeSean McCoy made last season were largely because of the opposing defenses’ focus on DeSean and Vick.
Just look at his numbers in games where Vick missed at least 3 quarters: 78 carries, 303 yards, 3.8 YPC, 2 touchdowns
Compared to when Vick was in the game: 145 carries, 777 yards, 5.35 yards per carry, 5 touchdowns
So that means on his career in games where Vick missed 3 quarters or played sparingly LeSean McCoy has 238 carries, 940 yards, 3.9 YPC and 6 touchdowns. As you can see, LeSean’s production significantly drops off when Vick isn’t playing in the game and forcing defenses to line up with wider splits and have linebackers and safeties play more honestly.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on May 24, 2011 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
how high do you have him
I have him at 6. And that isnt too high maybe Rice over him so 7.
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by Mr.electric10 on May 24, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I’ve got him in the borderline top 10 range competing with the likes of Rashard Mendenhall, Ahmad Bradshaw (who people need to give more respect), Peyton Hillis, Matt Forte, Michael Turner, Darren McFadden, Ronnie Brown, Ryan Grant and LeGarrette Blount.
LeSean is at the top of the tier 2 of running backs IMO and one more good season could push him into tier one.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
thank god someone understands
Dear fox.... Fire Aikman
Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
27 Going on 28 NYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
And there is no way people should be rating LeSean McCoy above Maurice Jones-Drew, Ray Rice or Frank Gore.
Maurice Jones-Drew is an absolute stud. He averages 1049.6 rushing yards per year on his career despite the fact that he has only started two years. He averages 419 receiving yards per year and 436 return yards per year. On his career he has scored 63 touchdowns and that is despite only being a 2 year starter, that means he averages 12.6 touchdowns per year. So basically the average season for MJD so far in his career is 1049 rushing yards, 419 receiving yards, 1468 yards from scrimmage, 1904 all purpose yards and 12.6 touchdowns. Those are elite numbers and he isn’t a one year wonder, he has been doing this since he entered the league. And, believe it or not, he has only topped 200 carries twice on his career. He was injured last season with a banged up ankle and missed 2 games yet he still managed to put up 1,324 rushing yards, 317 receiving yards, 1641 all purpose yards and 7 touchdowns. Maurice Jones-Drew is a top 5 back and there is no arguing it.
Ray Rice is one year removed from 2000 yards from scrimmage in 2009. In the past two seasons, he has 3,817 yards from scrimmage and 14 touchdowns. He is remarkably consistent, he has rushed for at least 70 yards in 21 of his past 32 games. He has averaged 9.7 yards after the catch and 9.2 yards after the catch the past two seasons. And his numbers would be absolutely astounding if he didn’t have Willis McGahee eating up all the red zone opportunities scoring 18 redzone TDs the past two seasons.
Frank Gore is another guy we’re all forgetting because he broke his hip. He is a proven commodity who from 2006-2009 rushed for 4935 yards, 29 touchdowns, caught 209 passes for 1700 yards and 7 touchdowns. That means in his last 4 seasons where he played at least 14 games he has averaged 1233 rushing yards, 7.25 rushing touchdowns, 52.25 catches, 425 receiving yards, 1.75 receiving touchdowns, 1658 yards from scrimmage and 9 total touchdowns. Those numbers are on par with the best in the league. And in 2010, despite missing 5 games he still managed 1305 yards from scrimmage and 5 touchdowns which means he was averaging 118 yards from scrimmage per game.
And I just realized we’re forgetting DeAngelo Williams too. He sprained his foot and missed 11 games this past season but prior to that he was a top 5 back in the NFL. In his past 35 starts he has rushed the ball 576 times for 2993 rushing yards and 26 touchdowns. He also caught 62 passes for 434 yards and 2 touchdowns. That means he was averaging 16 carries, 86 rushing yards a game and .75 rushing touchdowns a game. Those numbers are only worse than numbers that were put up by Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson. And he did all that despite sharing carries with Jonathan Stewart.
And we’re forgetting Jonathan Stewart too who is an absolute monster.
Updated rankings after I looked into it some more:
1. Adrian Peterson
2. Chris Johnson
3. Jamaal Charles
4. Arian Foster
5. Maurice Jones-Drew
6. Steven Jackson
7. Frank Gore
8. DeAngelo Williams
9. Ray Rice
10. LeSean McCoy
11. Michael Turner
12. Jonathan Stewart
13. Rashard Mendenhall
14. Ryan Grant
15. Peyton Hillis
16. Darren McFadden
17. Ahmad Bradshaw
18. Matt Forte
19. Ladainian Tomlinson
20. Cedric Benson
21. Ronnie Brown
22. Lagarette Blount
23. Knowshon Moreno
24. Ryan Matthews
25. Benjarvus Green-Ellis
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on May 24, 2011 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Steven Jackson and DeAngelo Williams I dont think are ahead of McCoy. Jackson is on the decline and I think McCoy’s upside makes him more valuable than Jackson. As for Williams, I dont think its close because while DWill has a ton of talent if he stays in Carolina I cant justify putting him over McCoy.
Ryan Grant is interesting. I am curious to see his effectiveness coming back from the injury. I wouldnt be surprised if he regressed to the point that he falls to just past Benson. Also, Blount is way to low. I agree that even top 15 is a stretch but I just cant say he should fall out of the top 20. I think Bradshaw should be higher as well. I hate the giants but I still think Bradshaw should be ahead of Grant.
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by Mr.electric10 on May 24, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
agree about williams after surgery.
but steven jackson is def. ahead.
the problem i have is with bradshaw at 17 and jacobs not in top 25.
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Steven Jackson has literally carried that sorry ass Rams team on his back for about half a decade now. The guy is a yards from scrimmage monster and he’s been doing it with a far less talented supporting cast, a far inferior offensive line, a worse coaching staff and he’s been doing it longer than McCoy.
DeAngelo Williams is quite simply a better back than McCoy. Williams has been doing work with Jake Delhomme and Matt Moore as his QBs. He and Jonathan Stewart have been tearing it up (their absence/injuries were why the Panthers sucked last year) and they’ve been the main focus of defenses. DeAngelo Williams is a short, compact back with elite vision and great quickness (not long speed). He is tough, he runs hard, he runs with a great center of gravity and balance. The guy has it all. Best case scenario for guys like Mark Ingram is to be like DeAngelo Williams. He put up monster numbers despite sharing the ball and constantly being nicked up.
And Ryan Grant only sprained his ankle and he is 100% recovered already, he’ll be fine. From 2007-2009 he has ran for 3412 yards and 23 touchdowns on 4.4 yards per carry. The guy is a proven back who can carry the load. He is a top 15 back in the NFL right now.
And Blount is getting so much hype he doesn’t deserve. He is a fun young talent who is exciting to watch but he isn’t a top 15/20 back in the league yet. There are a bunch of proven players who should, at this point be ranked above him (like LT, Benson and Brown). Blount is one dimensional, he isn’t an elusive player and he lacks lateral quickness and elusiveness. He can’t catch the ball to save his life, he had 14 receiving yards last year. He only rushed for 6 rushing touchdowns. And he beat up on some sorry run defenses, he only received more than 10 carries against top 16 rush defenses 5 times and in those games here is how he fared: 91 carries, 352 yards, 3.8 YPC and 1 TD.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on May 25, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Everytime I watch Steven Jackson all I can think
is he has such a funny running form like he kicks his feet out or something. I cant put my finger on it. he just runs funny. not bad just…..strange
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"To solve the mystery of the eternal hereafter, I imagine," I replied.
-- _The Gods of Mars_
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company
agreed with much of what you have to say d-jack
One thing I want to add, is that in my opinion, durability should count for something. Games missed due to injury are just as important as fumbles lost, TDs scored, YPC, whatever…
…if you’re not on the field, doesn’t matter how talented you are, its not going to make a difference. With that, I’d ding Grant, Gore, Deangelo, etc., slightly.
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 25, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d agree if it was recurring thing, a la Ronnie Brown, but I’m not sure I’d penalize Ryan Grant. It’s football injuries happen. The guy’s not exactly injury-prone.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
true
wasn’t thinking when I threw his name out there….just sort of remembered him screwing me over in fantasy last season haha. I revise the previous statement to those who have proven injury-prone
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 25, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Want to be real pissed? I got Foster in the 8th round and got Hillis off waivers.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
ended up last in my league even though I thought I had a "great" draft
In a 12 person league, I snagged Ryan Grant, Randy Moss, DeAngelo Williams, Tony Romo, Ben Tate (remember when he was the hot guy in Houston?). Talk about getting fucked over hard…
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 25, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
by week 10 I pretty much gave up....was getting blown out every week
Did win week 1 though…
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 25, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn. I picked up McCoy on waivers (yippy),
Vick of waivers, released him, then got him back lol… Then picked up Hillis and foster off waivers.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
How were Mccoy and Foster on waivers?
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
best player I got off waivers was the masterfully named Danny Woodhead
David Wright played a month with an undiagnosed broken back. I'm pretty sure it was the shitstain of an organization that did it, too.
Thank you, Fred Wilpon, for making my favorite team the laughing stock of the league. You are a disgrace.
by BigBlueIntervention on May 25, 2011 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Ouch. Our’s is 10, and we’ve been lucky to get that many.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
Didn’t even start Rice for most of the season.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Who would have thought the world could go so crazy that Eagles fans would actually have to defend the rights of Giants to say fuck the Eagles. What’s next, cats fucking dogs?
Jackson:
he’s been doing it longer than McCoy
This is very true however he is going to start wearing down soon due to having to carry a team. In Jackson’s prime I agree he was A LOT better than McCoy however as he ages and McCoy develop I think McCoy passes him.
Williams: I mentioned that talent wise Williams is better than McCoy but to me I see success as a combination of two things: Success=Talent+Situation. In this case the awful situation of Carolina and the great situation for McCoy is philly is why I rank McCoy higher.
Grant: While, it may only be an ankle injury it doesnt mean it wont affect him. Not only will his legs possibly not be as strong but he wouldn’t have played competitively for a full year. This might not be a factor however IMO it is enough of a concern to be wary of a regression.
Blount: My issue with the placement of Blount is similar to my issue in Jackson vs McCoy. I think you are looking at past results too much and not enough into the future. LT is great IMO a top 3 all time rb however he is getting older and I question him as a top 20 back in the future. Benson was struggling at times last year and reports I’ve heard have Bernard Scott taking a majority of the carries in the coming season. Also, Matt Forte isnt proven he had a great rookie year and has been mediocre the rest of his carrer. I would rather a rookie who in about half a season had 1000 and has much more talent than forte in the future.
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by Mr.electric10 on May 25, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
eventually McCoy will pass him.
but i doubt it’s gonna be this year or the next. maybe in 3 years
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Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 25, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd the words.
but the list i disagree with
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Lebron james is a bitch
The new Prince of NY is here
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by Lawrence Taylor The Real LT on May 24, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol carolinas HBs are nasty
best one two punch in the league
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"Do you know where we are going?" she said.
"To solve the mystery of the eternal hereafter, I imagine," I replied.
-- _The Gods of Mars_
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company
In terms of size/strength/speed combination, I’m taking Adrian Peterson #1 and Jonathan Stewart #2. Jonathan Stewart is a man. If he ever got the chance to be a feature back and he stayed healthy he would be a top 5 NFL back, I have no doubts about it. He can do it all on the football field, his tools are incredible. As a part time back he has put up 2,739 yards and 22 TDs (20 in his first two seasons), he averages 4.7 yards a carry on his career. He can literally drag players with him with the amount of force he brings and he has break away speed too. Jonathan Stewart is one of my favorite players in the league and I wanted the Eagles to draft him soooooooo bad coming out of college but he was picked earlier than people expected him to be.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on May 24, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
D. Williams had like 200 yards last year..
Stewart’s ahead of him in my book and McCoy kicks the shit out of both of them.
Grant if he returns will be top 15.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
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"Do you know where we are going?" she said.
"To solve the mystery of the eternal hereafter, I imagine," I replied.
-- _The Gods of Mars_
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company
If McCoy ever puts up a 2 year span like what Williams had in 2008 and 2009 I will be surprised. DeAngelo is a stud.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on May 25, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Not arguing that.. But DeWill
really has taken a beating.. IDK if he’ll be the same.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Carolina RB's
Such a down year last year! Learned via fantasy.
I am such a DeAngelo Williams fan, but last year he just blew. I watched some Carolina football with him being so invested via fantasy, and Carolina would go into possessions just trying to pound the ball, and they couldn’t do it. Constant 3 and outs. Stewart looked pretty bad as well.
Now, obviously they had 0 passing attack, and probably constant “loaded boxes” but they just flat didn’t perform. Couldn’t put either in my top 20 now, but I think if DeAngelo finds his game he’s a top 5 back.
Well shit let me jump in the fray
1) Adrian Peterson- nobody else can carry a team on his back like this guy. Perfect mix of size, agility and speed, the guy is a beast. Still a top performer even with that ego maniac Favre trying to hog the glory.
2) Chris Johnson- Whether it be Vince Young, Kerry Collins or random dude off the street, the man performs up to his ego. He is often time the only offense they have, and he is often times the only offense they need.
3) Frank Gore- A little high? No and I will tell you why. Besides for his rash of bad luck injuries what is this guys flaws? Argubably has been put into the worst position out of any other RB in the league (see Alex Smith as starting QB) and yet is still a border line top 5 back statiscally at seasons end. In a more balance offense he might top this list.
4) MJD- When you play Jacksonville you know where the offense is coming from, the opposing defenses coaches and players know where the offense is coming from, and yet he still drops alot of monster games. When they stack the line but can’t shut you down, and you have been doing this consistently for a few years now, you earn a top ranking.
5) Jamaal Charles- Productive when he was the featured back ( 1000+ yds in 2009-10 even though he didn’t get more then 6 carries before week 10) and when forced to split time (led league in avg. yards per carry for any player who rushed more then 101 times at a ridiculous 6.4). He did all of this while playing for a shitty to mediocre KC team.
6) Steven Jackson- Only reason Sam Bradford was as succesful as he was, is because this man is in the backfield. He has lost a step but is still the cog that got this St. Louis team in a last week showdown for the NFC West title with a rookie QB.
7) LeSean McCoy- Was successful as a spell back, as the featured back with McNabb, and as the featured back with Vick. Tied for second with avg yds per rush for any player who ran 200 times or more. He did that in a pass heavy, pass lightly, then run offense (avg 14 att a game).
8) Ray Rice- I like Rice a lot, but after such an explosive 2009-10 I like many others was disappointed with the performance received in 10-11. Does this mean he is not a 3 down back? To reach this top 5 you have to be.
9) Michael Turner- When healthy he is damn near unstoppable. Amazing power, deceptive speed, he is a beast. His style leads to too often being banged up and that inhibits his production leaving him lower on the list then I like.
10) Arian Foster- if he does the same thing again he shoots to the top 3, but as amazing as his one season was, I can’t put him that high until I see consistency.
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