The Linc - Kolb Trade News, Marsh A Top Prospect & Akers Deluding Himself?

by JasonB on May 11, 2011 9:07 AM EDT in Philadelphia Eagles News

Did David Akers fail to realize that he is a kicker? (Photo by Jim McIsaac/Getty Images)

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You jacked my Marsh article

all good tho its old

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by theaction on May 11, 2011 9:22 AM EDT reply actions

Jason hit the Akers situation on the head from the day his agent starting bitching about it. Nice work there – definitely worth the read, as it explains what the transition tag would have meant in Akers’ case. Akers’ agent played a pair of 6’s like he had a full boat.

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by JimmyK on May 11, 2011 9:32 AM EDT reply actions

Akers totally overplayed the situation, especially if he wanted to stay. I mean, he turned down a deal to be one of the top 5 kickers in the league. I wonder if he’ll really do much better signing with another team- especially if they aren’t a SB contender.

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by bdawk4ever on May 11, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Really looking forward to Marsh

Feel like 3 or 4 years down the road we are going to being loving the value of this pick.

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by benjapal on May 11, 2011 9:44 AM EDT reply actions

The news that has me the happiest so far this offseason, practically dancing in the street, is waving goodbye to those two fat slobs Cole & MJG. They have no place on this team, and frankly, should’ve been jettisoned a long time ago.

by 92-74-99-96 on May 11, 2011 9:47 AM EDT via mobile reply actions

by RogerPodacter on May 11, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Did I read that right?

Did one of the guys in the Kolb article state that we would get a “1st, a late pick and a player” in return for KK?

That would be quite the haul. The 1 “turd in the punch bowl” factor that we need to consider, or at least be ready to vent about, is that if KK does indeed go to the NFC West, that team will most likely become the favorite to win the division. If that team does win the division, then the picks we get back will be less valuable.

Didn’t Seattle’s draft selections go from mid round picks to 26th b/c they made the playoffs and then won their first playoff game?

If that happens, that would reduce the awesomeness of the trade.

by The Reddgie on May 11, 2011 9:51 AM EDT reply actions

Value

It’s a 1st next year, so the value of that pick vs. Kolb’s services this year is completely different than if we had gotten a 1st in this year’s draft.

by cin7 on May 11, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions

You’re right on the Seahwaks pick, making the playoffs dropped them quite a few spots in the order.

I have not yet begun to procrastinate.

by NYSteelersFan4 on May 11, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions

give andy's track record with first round picks...

it doesn’t matter if it’s mid-round, late-round, or whatever. andy picks who he wants. i’d rather have an established player like drc than a pick.

by awd777 on May 12, 2011 6:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions

did anyone really think a kicker in the 4th round was a stretch

perceived value of a kicker in the 4th may be high, but IMO when you see a kicker with akers potential sitting there and the players available wouldnt fill a NEED right away the actual value is worth it. having a bad kicker has costed teams many many games i love the pick in the 4th round to know you got the best guy available.

and KK its been good bro.

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by DaaaBirdsDaBirds on May 11, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions

Henery was my favorite pick.

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by JimmyK on May 11, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions

I’ll second that. I enjoyed the pick simply because of the outrage it caused to certain people who think kickers shouldn’t be drafted at all. Look at how much impact Akers has had on our team in his career, wouldn’t you give up a 4th to have Akers drop 15 years? Hopefully, that’s what we got and more. :]

by cin7 on May 11, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions

Good pick...

I thought it was a very good pick. I know the stats are still good on Akers, but it just seems to me that he has not been the same since his injury. Blowing the playoff chances was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

Worse is that Akers is a very good FACE for the Eagles. My wife’s late cousin, had leukemia as a child; he and his family got the opportunity to meet some Eagles players through a charity event. Akers is one of the people that they said was one the nicest and most sincere people, spent a lot of time with them, talked to them at length, and was a very uplifting personality. Most other players were nice but standoffish and akward, like they had to be there because of a contract or something.

A damn shame to see him go. Just please dont go to an NFC East team Akers!

by thePurpleLion on May 11, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions

Yes. I sincerely feel you’re almost as likely to strike gold with an undrafted free agent kicker as you are with a drafted kicker. The difference between an average kicker and an elite kicker is not worth a 4th-round pick IMO.

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by alcatraz0109 on May 11, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeh but how many people in life

Dig in trenches and don’t find gold?

If there is a jewlery store in front of you, with a big ass gold piece, you’re probably better off buying it……especially when you’ve basically already threw out your own shit…

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by BWestFactor on May 11, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Kickers are unlike any other position (even punters) in that there isn’t really an established correlation between draft status and success. The difference between a great and average kicker isn’t a whole lot, and I don’t think it justifies a 4th-round pick. I don’t know what the stat was, but something like 13 of the last 14 Pro Bowl kickers were undrafted. If Henery is as reliable as Akers was (and perhaps even better than that), it will justify the pick, but I won’t accept anything worse.

Besides (and I’m nitpicking with this point), we could have gotten Kai Forbath as an undrafted free agent, and he was more highly rated before this past year,

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by alcatraz0109 on May 11, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions

I understand your point

but you say this as if you already know that there are FA kickers out there that are available and as good/better than Henery. If that’s the case, then why do the Redskins, Cowboys and other teams have such shitty kickers on their team?

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by BWestFactor on May 11, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions

I don’t know if there are better available kickers than Henery, but we also don’t know how good Henery will be. And frankly, having a great kicker doesn’t impact a team very much. They may be the difference in one game a year, but that rarely happens.

The only reason teams futz around with journeymen kickers instead of looking into unknown players is that kickers just don’t matter much, and they shouldn’t matter much. Aside from the occasional unique talent (Seabass and his really strong leg), there isn’t a lot of difference between great and average kickers, so it wouldn’t be worth it to upgrade.

I understand that it’s nearly time to replace Akers, but unless you could guarantee Henery would last another 10 years here and go to a couple Pro Bowls I don’t think drafting a kicker is all that worth it.

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by alcatraz0109 on May 11, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions

having a great kicker doesn’t impact a team very much. They may be the difference in one game a year, but that rarely happens.

I would really re-think that statement if I were you man. Many..MANY games are decided by a winning FG. And just as many are lost ….

There is a reason why some kickers can have 10-15 season careers. Because great kickers are hard to find. They are very impactful. Now I can’t know for sure what this young prospect will bring to the team, but just like any other prospect you draft, you’ve done your homework on, and you hope for the best. The Eagles were in a odd situation this offseason being the way it is, and Akers not wanting to sign the transition tag. I dont think they had much time to seek out other FA kickers out ther, so this move made plenty of sense.

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by BWestFactor on May 11, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions

How did Marsh fare against Oklahoma last year?

by The Fish on May 11, 2011 10:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions

Ryan Broyles had a big day for OU, but Marsh was not matched up on him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xzWp6Zf4eE

Marsh is #23.

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by JimmyK on May 11, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions

Based off of Jimmy’s link, the guy he was lined up against most was freshman WR Kenny Stills, who was looks poised to develop into one of the best WRs to come out of the Big 12. He’s a burner, a DeSean Jackson type guy (although he doesn’t quite have DeSean speed), and Marsh allowed 3 catches for 34 yards. Not bad, IMO.

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by DeSean10 on May 11, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Saw this on my facebook news feed. The title was misleading, it made me excited for a minute :(

I would like to thank my hands for being so great, for allowing me to type this post.

by corn on the kolb on May 11, 2011 11:38 AM EDT reply actions

Ha, I think if Kolb is traded, the headlines will jump off your facebook page and punch you in the face.

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by JimmyK on May 11, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions

I hope so.

Truth is, if he is traded, my phone will beep at me for 10 minutes straight with a flood of texts lol

But still.. my heart skipped a beat, lol

I would like to thank my hands for being so great, for allowing me to type this post.

by corn on the kolb on May 11, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions

Chad Hall

Would he be tall enough to not get I.D.‘ed at his own restaurant’’s bar?

I'm in here trying to get a mother effin scholarship!!

by mlromeo50 on May 11, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions

ROFL !!!

Poor guy!!

by thePurpleLion on May 11, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Ha! Nice

But Stafford and his gf brother, Chad hall, starting a business… I can see this turning sour

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by FlyEagles15 on May 11, 2011 2:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Nnamdi article

Was that writer being serious that theyre only figuring it out now that he will be a FA? I guess the 2 comments only kinda explains Raider nation in a nutshell lol

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by BWestFactor on May 11, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions

by DonnyD on May 11, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions

I eagerly await...

…the nonstop flow of Akers hate now that he dared to speak out against joebastard and boston jeff

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by EvilBanner on May 11, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions