Top 10 Eagles NFL Draft Busts - #10 Jack Ikegwuonu
by JasonB on Apr 4, 2011 10:00 AM EDT
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We're starting a new series this month leading up to the draft where we first count down the ten biggest draft busts the Eagles have had in the Andy Reid era and then shift to a more positive note with the ten best picks leading up to this year's draft. Since we're limiting this to the Andy Reid era, the awful stretch of picks under Rich Kotite and Ray Rhodes are off the hook. (Mamula, Harris, Davis)
Coming in at #10....
Jack Ikegwuonu - 2008 - 4th round 131st overall pick
Jack is the lowest drafted player on our list having been taking in the 4th round. Usually a guy taken there wouldn't really qualify for a major bust list, but Jack's incredible array of red flags combined with extreme lack of any contribution was enough to get him on this list.
First, there were the character issues. Prior to the draft, he was arrested for allegedly breaking into someone's dorm with his twin brother and stealing a guy's xbox. He still had a court date pending on the matter when he was drafted.
But hey, he's a college kid they do crazy stuff right? Plus, he ended up being exonerated for the xbox thing... If only character issues were the only red flags.
There was also the small issue of his torn anterior cruciate ligament in a training accident prior to the draft. So even in the best case scenario, there was no chance he'd play in 2008.... and they used a 4th round pick on him.
He appeared in just one NFL game.
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Calling All JIBTA's Calling ALL JIBTA's
"if you’re going to act like bitches, then I will treat you like bitches". - AR
Do you hear that? That's the sound of the media ramming the Miracle at the New Meadowlands down your throat for the rest of your life...BAHAHAHAHA....
Isn't being a bust a function of expectations?
Mamula was a decent pro, but he’s a bust because he was taken at a spot where you expect to get an impact player/regular Pro Bowler. Ikegwuonu was taken in the fourth round with a pick that couldn’t be traded, he was coming off a serious knee injury and they took a flyer on him because he was considered a first-round talent before the injury. He’s the very definition of low risk/high reward pick.
I don’t agree. The 4th round is right on the edge of what I’d call “low risk.” At that point in the draft there were other guys that could reasonably expected to contribute that didn’t have the monumental amount of red flags.
Plus, many draft insiders felt he could go undrafted. Had he been a 6th or 7th round pick or undrafted… then yeah, I’d call him “low risk.” BUt the 4th is too high for that I think.
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A giant bust
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No way. Brown was underwhelming… but I wouldn’t call him a bust, at least not in the sense of a lot of guys on this list. His contribution relative to his draft position might have been “not enough” but a lot of these guys contributed next to nothing.
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While Freddie is a bust, he was a late first rounder and produced some. They traded up for McDougle and he never did a thing.
by outsyderz34 on Apr 4, 2011 12:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How about Kolb
I know he may get you more in return than what he cost, but if you are looking at his performance as an Eagle does his stats equate to a bust as a second round pick labelled as your future QB.
by G Fan in England on Apr 4, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions
no I think Kolb was able to do some good things with his playing time. If he were a total joke when he stepped on the field that would be one thing, winning the NFC offiensive player of the weel a couple of times and his total of 300 plus yard passing games he is out of this, now when he leaves and has to play a new offense under some joke or unproven coach I would revisit this,,lol
I don’t think so. He was thrown into a couple of impossible situations and a bad situation. The game against the Ravens was obviously a horror show. The Redskins game this year where he was lambasted for only taking underneath stuff despite the fact that the ‘Skins were dropping their safeties 20 yards deep. The Cowboys game where DeMarcus Ware was being blocked by my gramma. If you take out games where he just thrown into the mix, I think he’s done pretty well. Plus, its not really his fault he got concussed and paved the way for the New Mike Vick Experiance. Besides, I feel like if a 2nd round pick ends up returning a first round pick and potentially something else, how can you not see that as a great success story?
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Apr 4, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with what you say
But if you were to talk about a second round pick with only 7 starts in 4 years who you then trade does not look good when considering the production you could have got from a player in a different position.
but when you factor in being behind McNabb, injury and Vick and a possible first round in return it puts a different slant on it.
by G Fan in England on Apr 4, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Kolb is still a question mark
We just have not seen enough of him to know what he is. He has flashed in a couple of games and he is floundered in others. The Eagles tried to hand him the starting job and he failed to grasp it, but at the same time there is no shame in being beaten out of the job by Michael Vick.
If the Eagles manage to get a 1st round pick for the guy no way could you call him a bust.
by Late for Dinner on Apr 4, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Why
Seven starts in 4 years with 2,000 yards passing and more int’s than TD’s is not much production from a second round QB.
by G Fan in England on Apr 4, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Although i do understand your disregard for the comment….you have to look at the “could have beens.”
There were 4 pro-bowlers selected after Kolb but in the 2nd round. Styeve Smith, Zach Miller, Sydney Rice and Lamar Woodley.
Now i am not saying that Kolb is a bust….but where would we have been in those years with a more productive 2nd round pick??
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by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 4, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
You could have
had David Harris as well.
Thanks for understanding my point.
by G Fan in England on Apr 4, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup. I am certainly not a Kolb supporter…I just wish i could be after 4 years. I just still feel like i dont know the guy. And i should….
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by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 4, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Let’s pretend for a second that the four players you hand-picked were all under contract to reasonable deals and were all trade bait right now, as Kolb is. Of those 4 guys, I’m not sure any one of them would be worth more on the open market than Kolb. Perhaps Woodley. But the other 3? No chance.
Kolb is a player that under a normal offseason probably would have already been traded for a 1 at a minimum. No way in hell you can ever consider that kind of player a “bust,” by any reasonable stretch of the imagination. It wasn’t even worth explaining to G Fan, but now that you’ve mildly found the slightest bit of merit in his point, you forced my hand. Thanks GIB. Jerk.
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The point of these bust articles is to list players whose career performance does not match their draft position.
I am not saying that Kolb is a bad player as he could go on and win the SB with “insert team”.
But as a second round pick his career stats do not merit where you drafted him regardless of the bounty you will get from trading him.
by G Fan in England on Apr 4, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
The point of these bust articles is to list players whose career performance does not match their draft position.
I think we just have 2 different opinions on what a “bust” is, I guess. To call a player a “bust,” the connotation is that the labeled player has failed, and that’s not true of Kolb.
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He has failed to see the field. Fact. ZIIIINNNNGGGGG
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by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 4, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
True, but certainly you can take a wider view of the circumstances for that though, no?
And I’m calling a foul for “zing-complementing” your own post, haha.
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And I’m calling a foul for "zing-complementing" your own post, haha.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Apr 4, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
If
being behind two Pro Bowl QB’s is the reason than it suggests a poor pick by the team taking a player so high when there was no need.
by G Fan in England on Apr 4, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
there was no need.
The theory in taking him wasn’t need, though, it was best player available. I don’t personally agree that he was the BPA, but I’m just identifying the thought process in drafting him.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Apr 4, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d argue it was a need with McNabb’s constant injury issues.
by outsyderz34 on Apr 4, 2011 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
OK, that I can wrap my head around. Personally, I wasn’t a fan of the pick when they initially made it… at all. But to call the player a bust in this circumstance is unfair.
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I think we have an understanding
I am not calling Kolb the person a bust, but the pick itself.
by G Fan in England on Apr 4, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
But if you count circumstance...
…you may be able to take a lot of players off of the bust list. As much as I loathe the thought of Kolb at QB for us, I wouldn’t call him a bust at this point, either. And if you factor in what he most likely will fetch in return, he definately can not be labeled a bust. However, I do see the two G’s points…as a second round pick, he should have better production to date.
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Ouch. You cant unzing my zing. (But as an editor i guess you could erase it….ha)
Of course i see the wider angle.
- being McNabb not being injured as he had been the 2 years prior to the Kolb drafting. I really think that played a major part in his journey to philly.
- being McNabbs sustained play.
- being Vick playing “out of his mind” when he got the chance.
A lot of things lined up against Kolb to move forward as the starting QB….but the 2 most pressing reasons i see, was that he couldnt outplay the guy in front of him.
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by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 4, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
You can’t triple zing and double zing! I can’t hear you! LA LA LA LA LA !!!!!!
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…and then you go an TOTALLY redeem yourself!!!
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by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 4, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Apr 4, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Second point
Will he be a top ten draft pick by Reid as you may get a first round pick (and more) for him despite him only winning three of four games as your QB?
by G Fan in England on Apr 4, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
No worries, mang. But I am going to stick to my guns on this one too. If Kolb trades out and yields us a #1 pick….its all on potential. The guys that I “hand-picked” have played legit minutes in helping their teams win games. If they had only shown flashes in limited time played because they were stuck behind pro-bowler X or Y, then maybe…just maybe, the market would view them differently. I just think that Kolbs value is so high because of a hell of a lot of teams needing a QB, and glimmers of him actually being pretty good. If you were to have a larger sample size and teams knew exactly what they were getting, i dont know that he still yields a first.
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by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 4, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
If we are getting a 1st rounder for a QB we spent a 2nd rounder on, that usually means he is pretty good and not a bust. We didn’t need him to start because we already had two pro-bowl QBs on the roster.
I dont disagree with the fact that he isnt a bust…HOWEVER…arent future picks usually valued less by about 1 round? So a 2nd this year, can be traded for a 1st next year? What happens when its 4 years later….is trading a 2nd round pick still good, even though we are only getting a 1st rounder?
Again…I do not think Kolb is a bust. BUT i do understand where some still disagree with picking him….
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by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 4, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually think it’s acceptable for someone to make the argument that he can be both not a bust and yet still a “bad pick.”
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So
if the Giants offered a 2015 first round pick for your 2011 second round pick would you take that trade?
by G Fan in England on Apr 4, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Without Kolb’s play against 2 NFC teams (the Falcons and 49ers) the Eagles don’t make the playoffs. Not to mention, the Eagles were able to trade Donovan McNabb for a 2 (Nate Allen) and 4 because they ready to move forward with Kolb. So it’s not like some things didn’t happen in between the day he was drafted and present time. Your analogy doesn’t really work here.
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Those
performances would have counted for nothing but for a crazy 8 minutes at the Meadowlands.
by G Fan in England on Apr 4, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
You call them “crazy.” I call them “glorious.” Potato, potahto. Whatever the case, those 8 minutes most certainly happened, and that’s really all that matters.
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I still pinch myself when i watch those 8 minutes to make sure they REALLY DID happen!
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by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 4, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I am not disputing
that those eight minutes were glorious, live in history etc.
I use the word crazy in that sequence of events is unlikely to happen again.
History books show you won 38-31 and buried the Giants playoff hopes and whilst I can think of what might have been I also accept the Eagles had to make those plays to win the game.
by G Fan in England on Apr 4, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude I have not watched that game again
Sometimes you just got to tip your cap to the opponent, Micheal Vick did to us what Michael Vick does.
Everybody forgot that before all the Dog Fighting crap, Michael Vick was down right scary to play against because he could make plays no other QB could make. I chalk that vicotry up to the brilliance of Vick. Bottom line the Eagles didn’t win another game after that and lost in the playoffs in the first round so I will give the Eagles their do. much better than kissing the ring if the Eagles won the Bowl.
by Late for Dinner on Apr 4, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Crazy=unlikely, so...
Is it fair to presume that you also classify the Tyree catch as “crazy” then?
by PrincetonGreen on Apr 4, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes it would be okay to classiffy a one handed helmet catch crazy
Lucky for us it happened during the Super Bowl instead of a regular season game.
by Late for Dinner on Apr 4, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
more interceptions than td's is decieving
Seven starts in 4 years with 2,000 yards passing and more int’s than TD’s is not much production from a second round QB.
A lot of his interceptions were on last second hail marys. He would just chuck it up at the end of the half or the end of the game. He played very solid, and the Cowboys game, he was playing behind a backup o-line to an already horrible starting o-line. Just my 2 cents on his passer rating.
Different scale for QBs. And you’re really looking at it totally wrong. For a QB over his first 7 career starts, Kolb has been a success by any measure. Put his numbers against any QB over his first 7 starts and he compares favorably.
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I agree
that he compares favourably.
But does seven starts from a second round pick in 4 years make him a good or wasted pick?
by G Fan in England on Apr 4, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
For a QB, it’s fine. It’s a matter of circumstance really. Like I said, a QB is a different animal than any other position on the field. The day he was drafted we all but knew he was guaranteed not to start until McNabb’s contract was near expiration. So really this past year was the one he was expected to play. Obviously something completely unexpected happened.
Either way, he’s stepped in as a backup QB and won games that helped the team into the playoffs on a number of occasions. That’s very valuable.
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He’s going to net us a 1st round pick, when we used a 2nd on him, does that look like a bust to you?
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What
you get for him is a bonus.
But seven starts in four years suggests a wasted or bust pick especially when another player could have gotten you to the SB in 2008.
by G Fan in England on Apr 4, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I Agree
If the rule of thumb is that a 2nd round pick this year is worth a 1st next year then what picks would someone have to offer to get your high 2nd if they were only willing to part with picks 4 years later? They would almost have to offer me their whole draft for me to agree to a trade like that. In essence I don’t think you can say that because you may get a first for Kolb that he was a good draft pick.
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No it’s not a bonus. You can get two things from an asset. Production or more assets. The value of that asset to you can be measured either way.
So not in any way is what the Eagles get for Kolb a “bonus.” It’s really everything in this case.
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Well….since he IS Jack, he actually left the site when the Eagles cut ties. LOL.
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by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 4, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
JINBTA
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by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 4, 2011 10:28 AM EDT reply actions
NOIBTA
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Apr 4, 2011 10:38 AM EDT reply actions
Jon Harris (1997)
I was a bit reluctant here because in NO universe should Harris have ever been picked in the first round. There were teams that had him going in the 4th round. But if we’re talking about a high pick that never came close to justifying it, Harris actually beats McDougal. Again though, Harris was not a first round talent where McDougal was, so I guess flip a coin.
Top 10 IMO
10. Barry Gardner
9. Doug Brzezinski
8. Tony Hunt/ Ryan Moats
7. Victor Abiamiri
6. Brian Smith
5. L.J Smith (mostly because we passed up Witten)
4. Matt McCoy
3. Quinton Caver
2. Freddie Mitchell
1. Jerome McDougle
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Not all Andy Reid era…
Brzezinski actually started an entire season. Not a success of a 3rd round pick, but not really a bust either.
LJ Smith is not a bust.
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Bobbie Williams actually went on to have a long starting career.
Matt Ware… well, he had that one great play against San Diego.
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I prefer to think of Williams as a bust.
Because the alternative is to admit that the coaches on this team don’t know talent when they see it.
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all of those guys were picked in the Reid era. I guess I would replace Brzezinski with Billy McMullen.
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She passed wind, excused herself, and sponged off in the corner as I sat dazed and confused...
Sorry for some reason I thought Caver was a Rhodes pick…
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What about the most over-hyped Eagles for the next list?
(Cornelius Ingram, Sean Considine, Hank Baskett, Jeremy Bloom, Na Brown, Nate Ilaoa, every guy from Penn State, Reggie Brown…)
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She passed wind, excused herself, and sponged off in the corner as I sat dazed and confused...
Not a single post directly commenting on Ikegwuonu, rofl
by corn on the kolb on Apr 4, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions
I know..
Of course, what is there really to say about Jack? He did nothing here.
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touche
I liked looking through the related links to the fanshots and fanposts on the right side. I think they all pretty much sum up his career.
by corn on the kolb on Apr 4, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Let’s face it: all the fun of Jack Iguana came from JIBTA.
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by Imp on Apr 4, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
There are literally 4 different bud light ads on this page. Last time I checked, most people dont buy beer on the internet…
His statline from that one game:
G GS Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF
1 0 0 - - - - - - - 0.0 - - - —
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Apr 4, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions
Oh, duh. Got all messed up, but the point is that he didn’t do anything.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Apr 4, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I would agree that the third round is the maybe the cutoff point for “high expectations,” but Jack is a special case.
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If anyone is curious what Jack’s been up to, he and his twin were charged February 15, 2011, with stealing a pair of shoes from a Rogan shoe store, where his twin apparently worked. Talk about a downhill career.
rofl. you know your life is going in the correct direction when you say to someone you’re trying to make an accessory to theft “It’ll be in your best interests”.
Brilliant find, ty for sharing
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Those guys had the chance to use the old “it wasn’t me, it was my identical twin” defense!
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Can't wait
to see how many busts are 3rd round picks
Jason
you don’t have to go into the forth round to fill out a top ten bust list. Reid’s had plenty of bad 2nds and 3rds. In twelve years of drafting Reid has only made two picks in the third round of players that brought anything to the table(Westbrook and Bradley). And no, I refuse to put Gocong in the good picks category because at the time he was picked he was seen as a late 4th to 5th rounder by the draft “experts” and this proved to be about right.
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But is are there only good picks or busts?
I look at a guy like Gocong and see him as in between. He started here, he did some ok things… You certainly wouldn’t call him a good pick, but bust?
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Well if Reid had him rated...
lower than the dreck we’ve had playing LB the last two years how can you call him anything but. He obviously thought so little of Gocong that he was happy to unload him on the Browns without even a hint of a backup plan. Think what you want about Fokou but he certainly could not have been part of Reid’s plan when he dumped Gocong.
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Again though, this comes to your definition of bust. Is any disappointment a bust? Is any pick that wasn’t good a bust?
If you say yes to either than by your definition Gocong was a bust.
I guess I have a higher(or lower depending) threshold for the bust title. I mean, look at Jack. Taken a round later and did absolutely nothing. Gocong at least started a full season and played a lot of games.
I think it’s a good argument. Are guys like Gocong & Reggie Brown busts? Is that too harsh a term? Is it fair? They obviously weren’t good picks.
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With Jack it was a gamble and we all knew that going in so. In the forth round I thought it was a gamble worth taking. Especially when you consider the production that Reid normally gets from his forth rounders. Take away Welbourn and Herremans he hadn’t gotten much from the forth when he took the flier on Jack. If anyone from the forth in that draft deserves to be called a bust how about Demps. He lasted on the roster only slightly longer and was a major contributor to one of our championship game losses.
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Demps was a bust, but not the degree Jack was. They got no production whatsoever from him. Demps at least was a body on the field for a couple years. He made a tackle or two…
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And because Jack was such a risk is why he’s such a bust.
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Jason
By your standard anyone who got some playing time with the Eagles or any other NFL team was a decent pick(I’m not saying good). So I would say you’re a little more forgiving than me.
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I have a bad feeling that Brandon Graham might make this list someday.
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I’m willing to give him more time. But, I was stunned when we moved up and picked him.
by 92-74-99-96 on Apr 4, 2011 4:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Other than just guessing, there’s nothing to base this on at this point.
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no?
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by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 5, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Because he wasn't a bust.
He had a few good years starting for the Eagles before declining quickly.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
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by Imp on Apr 6, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
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