Mel Kiper Thinks The Cardinals Could Trade For Kevin Kolb
by JasonB on Apr 28, 2011 6:00 AM EDT
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PrintBut wait you say. You can't trade for players Mel! There's possibly still a lockout on! Of course there is, but let's follow the reasoning here. This is what Kiper said in his latest mock draft about the Cardinals first round pick.
This is a spot where I'll stamp a big "TRADE POSSIBILITY" tag on my notes as the picks start to come off the board. But if the Cardinals don't make a move for a pick that could turn into Kolb or some other veteran quarterback, Peterson is the guy they should take. He's the best overall talent in the draft, the No. 1 player on my Big Board and, even if he's not dealt, well, is it so bad to have the best player in the draft all the way down at No. 5?
There should be little doubt that the Cardinals and pretty much every other team basically know what the price for Kevin Kolb is at this point. We can also be pretty sure that NFL GMs have basically known that no CBA was going to be done for the past month or so. So if they've had any talks about Kolb, it's been for next years' picks.
So if the Cardinals decide to trade down here, they could do so with an eye toward getting a future #1 pick, that could be used later in the summer to acquire Kevin Kolb. Given how high they're picking, there's a chance that the Cards could not only get a pick that could be flipped for Kolb later, they could pick up a slew of other picks in the meantime.
If they really like Kolb, it's actually a move that makes some sense. If they started next year with a couple of second round picks or potentially even a late first from this draft, Kevin Kolb and still with their first for next year... That's not a bad summer.
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Well im interested what the NFL has to say sometime this morning on whether teams can sign free agents or make trades. If the eagles somehow could trade Kolb and we were able to get the 5th pick it’d be a win win for us. If we trade for the 5th pick and Peterson is available, we take him. If he’s not available, we trade back to mid 1st round and maybe pick up a 2nd round with that and take Jimmy Smith.
You only think were front runners because our team is winning.
I would hope the Eagles ask for more than just next year’s 1st rd pick for Kolb
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
they already said they are
next year’s first could be a late first rounder if Kolb goes to any team with a decent offense. i would be pretty surprised if they didn’t get more than a 1st this year if somehow a trade were possible.
by phillyfan330 on Apr 28, 2011 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t understand how trades and the free agency are still a confusion. You would think with the draft in less than 24 hours, the media, fans, etc. would know FOR SURE if this stuff can go down; I find it troubling that it is all still speculation at this point.
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham
I am hoping something concrete comes down this morning/early afternoon.
Now that the appeal has been ruled on everything should be business as usual.
I would imagine the Eagles and other teams have already discussed potential trades if and when things open up.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
How about
The Eagles trade their 1st this year and next year to the Cardinals for the 5th pick this year.
The Eagles take Peterson.
In the summer you trade Kolb to get back your 1st round pick in 2012.
by G Fan in England on Apr 28, 2011 7:41 AM EDT reply actions
i kinda like this idea
But I doubt Andy would pull that move, or even attempt it. Plus we could get more than just our late first rounder for Kolb. By late, I mean the eagles havn’t drafted lower than 15 without trading up most of the decade, not counting our off season in 06’
by phillyfan330 on Apr 28, 2011 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
actually, we’d be getting more than a late first rounder in this scenario… our pick this year + next year does not come even close to the value of the 5th pick this year (if the eagles are anywhere near as good next year)
and that’s why this wouldn’t work… if andy wanted to be a dick, he makes the trade for the picks, then turns around and trades kolb to the 49ers for their 2012 pick. We end up with the no. 5 overall pick this year and a better pick this year.
I’m kinda resigned to trading Kolb for 2012 picks at this point. Would that really be so bad?
As time
goes by and the season gets closer the less Kolb will help a team in 2011.
The GM then needs to weigh up is a QB in the 2012 draft better longterm value than Kolb.
by G Fan in England on Apr 28, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
the less Kolb will help a team in 2011.
Less than a rookie QB?
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham
A team
has three choices
Trade for Kolb when allowed to
Draft a QB in 2011
Draft a QB in 2012 and take best player in 2011
Each team will view this differently depending on the GM and the Coach, a new coach may be given time so drafting a QB in 2011 or 2012 may appeal to them more than an older Kolb – especially if Kolb is not available until say August..
Kolb has had sucess but is that more of a product of the Eagles system – after all how many QB’s under Reid have gone on to better things after being traded to another team?
Kolb has potential – but he was drafted in the second round for a reason and to trade multiple high picks for him may be a gamble some teams might not be prepared to make.
by G Fan in England on Apr 28, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Kolb has had sucess but is that more of a product of the Eagles system – after all how many QB’s under Reid have gone on to better things after being traded to another team?
Okay, I can agree on that.
Kolb has potential – but he was drafted in the second round for a reason and to trade multiple high picks for him may be a gamble some teams might not be prepared to make.
Is that gamble worth going the opposite way and drafting a qb in the first who has never played a down? I guess it all depends on the GM.
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham
I agree
Of all the QB’s drafted in the second round since 2001 only one is established as a starter – bonus point if you can name him!
So if a team feels that a QB is not worth taking in the first round it may decide it is better off taking it’s chances with Kolb than taking a QB in the second round.
Call it the curse of the second round QB!
by G Fan in England on Apr 28, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
So we trade Kolb and our first rounder this year for PP?
No thanks, Id rather just take Jimmy Smith and trade Kolb for a 2012 draft pick.
by philiafan14364 on Apr 28, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I know Kolb wants to start, but the Eagles need him. Everyone knows Vick will only play 10-12 games next year with the injuries that will occur. Keeping him another year is a good thing! I’m not so sure that they shouldn’t unload Vick next season and keep Kolb for the long haul.
Fly Eagles, Fly
by Vickwillbringaring on Apr 28, 2011 9:54 AM EDT reply actions
Everyone knows Vick will only play 10-12 games next year with the injuries that will occur.
There’s very little evidence to suggest that. Check this link out
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2011/3/28/2075654/how-injury-prone-is-michael-vick-exactly
And then we let him walk away for absolutely nothing after next year?
I’d much rather get value for Kolb. Decent enough veteran backup QBs can be had. And if the offensive line is improved, Vick should be ok, even with his playing style.
Ive just heard a few "insiders" say the same stuff on the radio
It is very likely that the Cardinals pick the best value player (either a Peterson or a Miller) at 5, and trade him to the Eagles…
FLY #7 FLY !!!
That wouldn't work.
Since we will be working under the old rules, a team’s rookie pool is determined by what picks they actually make, but all your rookies must fit under that number. So we would need to squeeze all of our draft picks into a pool of money that does not account for the #5 overall pick we are signing.
hmmm on the face ot it that doesn't seem to make sense
The 5th pick money would be added to the pool or he wouldn’t be counted towards it, right?
Gotta keep Kolb right now
The Iggs have to hold on to Kolb for the foreseeable future. Vick may be a free agent. He’s here due to franchise tag, which may not end up being valid in a new CBA, or may be ruled an antitrust violation if there is no new CBA.
Do you really see Vick jumping ship and not signing with the Eagles in that scenario though?
I just don’t see him being a FA as a problem.
Don't know.
He may feel an extreme loyalty to the folks that gave him a second chance. But, he does have creditors to pay, and a lifestyle he may want to reestablish. This is business, not love.
It is business, but I highly doubt the Eagles would low-ball him either.
It’s not like he will be strapped for cash if he chose Philly. I get what you’re saying though.
Vick is under contract
Vick signed his tender before this mess happens so no matter what he is already under contract for next year.
by PhillyEagles10 on Apr 28, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes we do.
He signed the tender for the reasons you mentioned. Creditors etc. Also, the Eagles will sign him long term before a game is played.
I think trading Kolb for 2012 picks would represent a better value than 2011 picks, as next year’s draft is projecting to have better top end talent and deeper overall. The only guy I would really want to trade up for is Peterson, and it is gonna cost a boatload to get to 5, and that is assuming he is still there at 5, he could go as high as 2.
Peterson for Kolb and #23
Cardinals could / should draft Peterson. Eagles could draft a DL that both they and Cardinals like. When Kolb can be traded we swap those players. It would be a handshake deal and either side we know it could bust but that would be the best option for the Eagles. (Probably a bit too pricey for the Cardinals though.) Worst case Eagles draft a quality DL.
This is what happens if thats the case
The Eagles tell the Cards who to draft. They draft him. When the he lockout is over and trades are allowed. The Cards hand that player over to the Eagles. Then the Eagles hand over Kolb.
There very small risk in a trade like this. Due to the fact. If the Eagles dont hand over Kolb. The Cards still have a quality player. Plus Andy has been around for a long time. Im sure teams trust the fat man.
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