How "injury prone" is Michael Vick, exactly?
Anytime the discussion to trade Kevin Kolb arises, there's almost always some sort of mention that by trading Kolb, the Eagles run the risk of having a bare cupboard in the event the "injury-prone" Michael Vick should be lost for an extended period of time. It's a valid point, of course, as Michael Vick is prone to injury more than your typical QB simply because of the number of shots he takes.
Some people note that Michael Vick has only started all 16 games in a season once in his career. That's true, but somewhat misleading, as he started 15 games in three of them. Others have made the point that in the past 4 seasons that Vick has been the starting QB for his team, he has only missed 5 games due to injury. That of course factors out his jail time.
So I figured I'd take a look at the other QB's around the league and see how Vick compares to them from an "injury-prone" standpoint. I took all the QB's that were their team's undisputed starter for the past 2 years, added up the number of games they would be the clear-cut starter for their team, and tallied how many games they played/missed due to injury. Since it has no bearing on being "injury-prone," I didn't include games in which the QB sat out Week 17 because they were locked into a particular playoff seed (Vick and Brees are two examples). I also factored out benchings (McNabb, Alex Smith), and any other circumstances in which a QB missed a game due to a non-injury related circumstance. I also lazily omitted a couple QB's (Kyle Orton comes to mind) whose career needed more of a microscope than I cared to give it. Here are the findings (after the jump):
| Player | Possible games | Games played | Games missed | % of games started |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Peyton Manning | 208 | 208 | 0 | 100 |
| Eli Manning | 103 | 103 | 0 | 100 |
| Philip Rivers | 80 | 80 | 0 | 100 |
| Joe Flacco | 48 | 48 | 0 | 100 |
| Brett Favre | 301 | 298 | 3 | 99 |
| Jay Cutler | 64 | 63 | 1 | 98 |
| Aaron Rodgers | 48 | 47 | 1 | 98 |
| Mark Sanchez | 32 | 31 | 1 | 97 |
| Chad Henne | 29 | 28 | 1 | 97 |
| Drew Brees | 142 | 137 | 5 | 96 |
| Matt Ryan | 48 | 46 | 2 | 96 |
| Matt Cassel | 47 | 45 | 2 | 96 |
| David Garrard | 73 | 67 | 6 | 92 |
| Jason Campbell | 71 | 65 | 6 | 92 |
| Tom Brady | 158 | 143 | 15 | 91 |
| Ben Roethlisberger | 108 | 98 | 10 | 91 |
| Donovan McNabb | 179 | 155 | 24 | 87 |
| Carson Palmer | 112 | 97 | 15 | 87 |
| Matt Hasselbeck | 160 | 138 | 22 | 86 |
| Matt Schaub | 64 | 54 | 10 | 84 |
| Tony Romo | 75 | 62 | 13 | 83 |
| Michael Vick | 94 | 77 | 17 | 82 |
| Alex Smith | 70 | 40 | 30 | 57 |
| Matthew Stafford | 32 | 13 | 19 | 41 |
At 82%, Vick is the 3rd lowest among this sample group, but similar to guys like Romo, Schaub, Hasselbeck, Palmer, and McNabb. This is due in large part to Vick's 2003 season, when he broke his fibula in the preseason and missed the first 11 games of the season, seen here:
| Vick | Possible games | Games played | Games missed | % of games started |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2002 | 16 | 15 | 1 | 94 |
| 2003 | 16 | 5 | 11 | 31 |
| 2004 | 16 | 15 | 1 | 94 |
| 2005 | 16 | 15 | 1 | 94 |
| 2006 | 16 | 16 | 0 | 100 |
| 2007 | Jail | |||
| 2008 | Jail | |||
| 2009 | Not the starter | |||
| 2011 | 14 | 11 | 3 | 79 |
While I agree that Vick is more likely to get injured than a QB with a quick release that never runs and rarely takes shots (like a Peyton Manning), I don't think "injury prone" is quite the correct phrase. I see "injury prone" players as the guys that always seem to find themselves as "questionable" in the injury report, with an assortment of ailments, kind of like our old friend Brian Westbrook. That doesn't really apply to Michael Vick, at least historically so far in his career. It's the season-ending knockout punch that should be of gravest concern, obviously.
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I always felt this way about McNabb. He did seem to get hurt often, but it always seemed to be a “knockout punch” type of thing. At least earlier in his career that was the case. Toward the end there he had that foot injury where he missed a couple games and the sports hernia… but really if you tear a knee because you took a random bad step or get hit, I don’t see how that tells us anything about your physical makeup that would call you injury prone.
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Although Vick had an amazing performance last year...
he needs another year or two to actually be considered consistent and the fact that he is more likely to get injuried compared to other QB’s worries me. I don’t think Kafka is ready (if Kolb is traded)… so many variables every year to ever be 100% confident.
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Good read
Plus the coaches seem to be teaching him to get down earlier to avoid shots. Being in a contract year, again, he’ll be out there even when hurt.
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Plus you have to factor in the variable of Vick’s body. He his built like a running back. If I were a betting man, I would bet that Vick could take a lick better than any other starting QB in the league right now.
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vick is built like a running back?
skinny frame and skinny legs? i guess if u want to compare his build to chris johnson, but lets face it there are not many running backs built like marcus allen anymore
He’s not Pat White, man.
6’, 210 is pretty sturdy. There are plenty of running backs that have that kind of build. And besides, how thick your legs are has nothing to do with the likelihood of them breaking. Ask Bo Jackson
im not saying he isnt fit
but name another running back in the league right now besides chris johnson and jamal charles who is built similar to vick
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by henry-dekoeyer-eagle-fan on Mar 28, 2011 2:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nice Igglesblog-like breakdown, JK
But I still can’t shake the feeling that he’s an extreme injury risk.
It passes the brain test, but not the eye test. Still though, looks reassuring.
by corn on the kolb on Mar 28, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
I'll second that.
I like the way you took a commonly held belief, put numbers to it and let the results speak for themselves.
Yeah, I guess you could ignore the broken leg (I’m pretty sure that was the Madden curse, so lets hope he doesn’t end up on that cover) and Vick would be sitting at nearly 93%, good for 13th on the list. But that’s kind of the issue with Vick. His style makes him more susceptible to broken legs, which make you unable to play the position of quarterback.
I don’t think that should keep us from trading Kolb, but I do think backup quarterback would be a need for us when/if that happens.
But then I would probably be saying that no matter who was my quarterback.
Vick accounted for a LOT of plays
Especially while he was in Atlanta. It’s hard to compare him to QBs from teams where the QB’s main job is to hand the ball off every down… It’d be interesting to look at this not from how many games they missed, but rather from an “injury per possession” approach. So, we’d count up all of the possessions where each QB didn’t hand the ball off, and see how many major injuries they had over those possessions. My guess is that Vick actually gets hurt less than a lot of other QBs on a play by play basis.
Still, this doesn’t change the fact that we need a good backup. But I’d much rather have Vick for 82% of my games than Eli for all of them.
It’d be interesting to look at this not from how many games they missed, but rather from an "injury per possession" approach. So, we’d count up all of the possessions where each QB didn’t hand the ball off, and see how many major injuries they had over those possessions.
Let me get to work on that right away. Should only take about a year or so, haha.
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actually not that hard?
If you just added up all there attempted throws and rushes; for their career…wouldn’t you basically have that number?…and possibly adding sacks too?…don’t know if that’s counted in attempts…you already have the games missed here…
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by greenbean#twoOH on Mar 28, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not like...
you have to look at ONLY the possessions in which the qb…hell even Vick made it to the endzone on some of those possessions, or out of bounds, w/o being hit…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Mar 28, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
i know...i was agreeing..
i was just referring to the ease at which it would be calculated….you don’t have to see tape if you’re not just looking for the plays in which they took a hit…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Mar 28, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta admit.....
ive always been fascinated by eli’s durability, hard 2 beleiev the guys never missed a start, hes either extremely lucky or tough………i guess a little of both.
Yup, he has a frail frame (comparatively speaking), and always has that weak hangdog look on his face, but 103 out of 103 speaks for itself.
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Don't most QB's have a somewhat similar frame to Eli?
6’ 4" 225 for a QB is not frail. Maybe your eyes see frail, like my eyes see skinny when I look at Vick. But he does have a RB’s frame- 6’, 210 +. A smaller RB, but still a RB’s frame.
Nice analysis and packaging of the info. Interesting to see the games and the percentages next to one another. And for the record, I don’t think Vick is injury “prone”. That suggests he’s not tough. He is tough, he takes some big hits and gets back up.
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And Eli gets hit a lot more than Peyton. So arguably his ability to keep playing has been a bit more impressive.
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especially.....
the Mcdougle hit…..i thought Mr. Manning’s career was over b4 it even got started after seeing him raped by Mcdougle, absolutely annihilated.
by goldenbird09 on Mar 30, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Raped? Strange choice of words
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Definitely tough
He had a separated shoulder which the reports say should have kept him out 2-4 weeks.
Even Manning haters have to give them their props for their durability.
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We all give Eli a lot of crap
But there’s no doubt he’s tough. I remember that injury that you’re talking about, and it gave me a renewed sense of respect for the guy. I hate the Mannings, but to question Eli’s talent and toughness seems foolish at this stage in the game.
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Good read. And i have always said that its the “knockout punch” we need to avoid with him. His style gets him knicked up and battered a bit throughout a game….but he has typically kept on playing.
Hell look at Favre. That guy limped, gimped and hobbled through games. You could call him “injury prone” but he was sure as hell out there.
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by GreenInBaltimore on Mar 28, 2011 3:23 PM EDT reply actions
great post. I also like the way people think Djax is so "injury prone".
yup he is so injury prone that in his 3 year career, he has missed only 2 games due to injury.
Both games missed were b/c of vicious hits to the head/brain.
Actually, his back injury was what started the "injury prone" debate this year
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/27/desean-jackson-leaves-game-with-back-injury/
Also, Kolb dumping it off every damn throw in preseason created the injury concerns for djax. Soon as Vick was QB nobody talked about djax getting injured any more.. sadly that’s when his leg started slowing him down at the end of the season, but that’s a different type of injury.
Eagles gave up the 3rd most sacks(49) and 3rd most QB hits(95) last season so he took a lot more than most QBs. As Imp mentioned above, he also had 100 rushing attempts which is more than double your average quarterback.
Agreed
I don’t think Vick is necessarily injury prone in the sense that he’s soft. However, he does have a dangerous playing style. Taking lots of open field hits opens the door to big injuries.
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I think the Eagles need to make atleast ONE huge splash on the right side of the line in FA….In a dream world they’d get two solid vets to play on the right side of the line, and Vicks job would be pretty easy waiting for DJax to get a step of separation…This realy illustrates how Vick is more likely to make it the entirety of the season if we have a solid line to keep him from unnecessary hits he doesn’t already take.
The O is unstoppable if they bring in two vets for the right side of the line. Also, it would be a lot more forgiveable if we didn’t get NA, but sured up the Oline. There’s a lot of D talent in this draft; I would really like Ros/Andy/Bann…to be able to focus on giving us back our smash mouth defense we love. If the O can score at will, there’s a lot more rope for the young guys to sure up their gaps before a playoff run…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Mar 28, 2011 6:27 PM EDT reply actions
Upgrade our O-Line, and I think he'll be just fine
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Vick with a good O-line
would be really really dangerous. Instead of needing to run, he could pick his spots. That would keep him more healthy and keep defenses on their toes. With his cannon arm and speedy WRs a good pocket would make him deadly. The lone is key.
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