Number5's Draft Gems, Part 1: The Most Interesting Prospect in 2011
Greetings from Hawaii. Well with all the troubles with the CBA, this makes the 2011 draft not only the most important part of the off-season, but arguably one of the most drafts ever. Why? Because teams more than ever will reach and draft for need. Tennessee, Arizona, Minny, and Miami are all teams that desperately need a quarterback, the most important position in football. They can't sign a season vet like Marc Bugler or trade for a young talented signal caller like Kevin Kolb. They must address their needs and for now the draft is the only way possible. This makes things more interesting, talented players will fall more than ever, and talented prospects who need work may fall completely out of the first two days or even the draft. That's why a hand full of teams including the Eagles can befit probably the most. And Reid will have the best draft he has ever had with the Eagles this year.
So rather than hashing out top prospects like Nick Fairley, Robert Quinn, Gabe Carimi, and others, I'd like to introduce ten players with "blue chip" potential, but need work. I'll introduce and evaluate why they can become great players in this league with proper coaching, something the Eagles usually have had under the Reid Era.
So how who do you start off a series? Well, you start of with a bang. And that is what I intend to do. Todays, prospect is my second most interesting quarterback prospect after Cam Newton, is arguably more athletic than Newton, has a equal arm, yet won't be selected till the fifth round at best. Give up? More after the jump...
Ah yes, Tyrod Taylor. Probably one of the most underrated players coming out this year. Many are down on this kid, but here is why they shouldn't.
1. The evolution of the quarterback position in the NFL
The game has changed significantly since Lombardi won in 1967 and Barry Sanders was juking defenders out of their socks in the 90's. Gone are the days of a dominating defense and a smash mouth running game. Today, you need fast play makers and a field general that can take over the game with a oddly shaped ball. This was proven thought the 2000's. However, the quarterback position has changed again entering the new decade. Gone are the days of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. While you need a quarterback that can impact a game like those two, you need two element that those two don't have. Elusiveness and Athleticism. Pure pocket-passers are a dying breed, just look at some of the best quarterbacks: Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, Tony Romo , Donovan McNabb (pre-D.C.), Philip Rivers, and yes our very own Micheal Vick from last season. These guys can make time in the pocket, roll out, make pass-rushers miss, and take off 10-15 yards down field. Guys that stand there like statues will get killed, pass-rushers today are big, fast, and physical even with the best offensive linemen.
Don't believe me? Vick makes a compelling argument.
Michael Vick 33 Yard Run (Eagles At. Giants) (via TopSportVids)
That was one of two amazing runs. Without them, we would have definitely lost this game. Both gave huge sparks to two drives that help us score. That is why I see Cam Newton being able to adjust a little easier because he can rely on his pure athleticism that can beat most defenders. He'll be able to set up his team into good position and let his running back do the rest.
Most try to compare Cam Newton and Michael Vick, however Newton's running style is more like Ben Roethlisberger but faster. Tyrod Taylor is a young Vick athletically speaking. He is shifty and extremely athletic. He is arguably more athletic than Cam Newton, but that is another argument. Taylor also ran the fastest 40 time for quarterbacks at 4.52, Newton on the other hand ran a 4.58.
2. Size Matters Not
One knock against Taylor is his size at 6'1'' 217 lbs. Most like the huge giant quarterback like Joe Flaaco or Ben Roethlisberger, a 6'4'' mammoth. However a large amount of successful quarterbacks have been Taylor's high or shorter. Michael Vick (6'0'' 215 lbs), Drew Brees (6'0'' 209), Doug Flutie (5'9''), and more. Here is an interesting article I suggest you read on short quarterbacks. http://www.growtall.com/shortest-quarterback-height.htm. Also a long list of short quarterbacks here. http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~maxymuk/home/passing/qbshort.html.
3. Arm Strength
One of his strengths is Taylors rocket arm. He has amazing arm strength and can zip the ball down the field with velocity as good as anyone in this draft. All of his scouting reports have his arm strength as a positive.
Fires passes with a good deal of velocity and and consistency to make the throws he wants. Has above-average arm strength.
Underrated arm strength
http://www.nfldraft101.com/ncaaf/profiles/player/170450/Tyrod_Taylor.jsp
He is very mobile, athletic and has a solid arm to make all the throws.
Above-average arm strength... Gets good velocity on his throws...
http://www.sidelinescouting.com/rankings/qb/tyrod-taylor.shtml
Andy loves strong armed quarterbacks, we have had a little over a decade of long bomb passes: McNabb's scramble and heave to Freddie Mitchell against the Cowboys, 3rd and 24, and Vick's multiple first play passes to Desean Jackson this year. Andy doesn't run a true West Coast offense, and that is why Talyor can attempt all the throws Andy calls for right now.
4. Virgina Tech Offense Scheme
One of the biggest problems quarterbacks have coming out from college is the pro-style of offense; under center taking 3-5 step drops and reading the field for the open receiver. The pro-style offense is a dying breed in the college level, more and more schools are moving toward spread or option offenses. Teams are looking to win rather than developing players into the best they can be. It's a shame but it's the coaches job to win games. Well, fortunately Taylor has an advantage that most quarterbacks in this class don't have. A foundation with the pro-style offense. No, VT did not run a true pro-style with Taylor, but it was based and has pro-style concepts. He has played under center during his career, especially early. He doesn't have to learn the center exchange, the footwork to his 3, 5, and 7 drops, or the footwork in the pocket. This can allow him to work on his needs. He was allowed to make one read and run in college, something in the NFL he needs to learn. But that doesn't put him behind any other prospects, Cam Newton a top ten prospect, can't read the field at the pro level either. His experience and knowledge from under center gives him a huge advantage to learn at the next level.
5. Slinging the Pig Skin
The biggest scrutiny of a quarterback in the draft process, the throwing motion. It is kinda silly when you think about it. It's kinda like saying when you evaluate a runner or a running back running at the combine, I don't like the way he swings/pumps his arms when he runs. Tim Tebow is a prime example. Heisman winner with a big arm and probably one of the greatest quarterbacks at the college level was beaten like a dead horse over his throwing motion. I understand it's important to some.To me, as long as you can get the ball out fairly quickly and accurately, it doesn't matter if you spin you arm 720 degrees before you let that ball fly like a heat seeking missile and hit the receiver for the touchdown. Fortunately, you can all let a sigh of relief when I tell you that Taylor has a good throwing motion.
Here's his scouting reports
Positives: Numbers steadily improved each season he has been at Virginia Tech... Was much more efficient as a passer as a senior... Above-average arm strength... Gets good velocity on his throws... Has a good throwing motion, proper over-the-top motion with a good release point... Extremely mobile, runs like a halfback... Has a ton of open field moves and is tough to bring down when he gets to the second level... Developmental prospect who could be a solid backup in a couple years.
http://www.sidelinescouting.com/rankings/qb/tyrod-taylor.shtml
- Athletic wildcat QB/WR prospect
- Vastly improved as a passer in 2010 - 24:5 TD:INT ratio
- Dangerous outside of the pocket
- Underrated arm strength
- Hard worker who has vastly improved as a senior
- Good/speed and agility makes him a big play threat on the move
- Elusive
- Dangerous runner - 659 yards rushing in 2010
- http://www.nfldraft101.com/ncaaf/profiles/player/170450/Tyrod_Taylor.jsp
Taylor has been compared to former Virginia high school great Ronald Curry for his combination of passing skills and athleticism. The most dangerous quarterback in the country when things break down, Taylor is still a passer first. He has a very quick release that comes from just below his ear and an over-the-top motion that helps make up for his height disadvantage. He has excellent zip on his intermediate ball and can make all the throws with touch and accuracy. Taylor has tremendous instincts and feels the pass rush well. He makes smart pass/run decisions and gives linebackers and safeties fits when approaching the line of scrimmage on a scramble. Taylor is at his best when he’s outside the pocket and is very comfortable throwing on the run. He has advanced leadership skills and doesn’t rattle easily. He needs to get stronger and thicker to play a dual-threat style in college and sometimes tries to do too much on the field. Taylor has quick feet and excellent speed and could play an option style at the next level with a little added bulk.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Tyrod-Taylor-39099
Not only does he have a god throwing motion, but he has greatly improved as a passer his senior year.
| Stats Overview | Passing | |||||||||
| YEAR | CMP | ATT | YDS | CMP% | YPA | LNG | TD | INT | SACK | RAT |
| 2007 | 72 | 134 | 927 | 53.7 | 6.92 | 59 | 5 | 3 | 23 | 119.68 |
| 2008 | 99 | 173 | 1036 | 57.2 | 5.99 | 40 | 2 | 7 | 20 | 103.25 |
| 2009 | 136 | 243 | 2311 | 56.0 | 9.51 | 81 | 13 | 5 | 28 | 149.39 |
| 2010 | 188 | 315 | 2743 | 59.7 | 8.71 | 69 | 24 | 5 | 34 | 154.80 |
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=236838
Things that are good about these stats.
1. Has throw the ball more and more each year, showing that he is relying more on his arm.
2. Huge yard improvement from 2008 to 2009, and 2009 to 2010.
3. High yards per pass.
4. Probably the best, an amazing TD: INT ratio his senior year.
I'd like to see a higher completion percentage on his throws, but he not a perfect prospect. If he had a higher completion percentage, he'd be a second rounder. But his senior year was very impressive no the less. Virgina Tech had an amazing running back with Ryan Williams and Taylor was surrounded by a bunch of no name receivers and he was able to put those numbers up? It's kinda amazing that Cam Newton, who is a great football player no the less, gets more recognition in just one year than Taylor, who has proven himself over 4 years at VT. I'm not saying that Taylor should go before Cam, but where is the love?
6. Impact Player
Plainly put, he changes the game with a big run or a amazing pass. His body of work with VT proves it. He is a proven winner and very experienced with 34 wins, the most in school history. Had over 650 rushing yards his senior year, over 2,000 yards rushing in his career, and over 7,000 yards passing in his career. Cam Newton had a great year, but I doubt he could have over 7,000 yards in 4 years. He was also named ACC player of the year. Here is probably my favorite play from Tyrod Taylor.
Virginia Tech's Tyrod Taylor Throws Amazing TD vs. Stanford(HD Quality) (via Tadeleh)
I could write an edition of illegal forward pass on this play. But I'll be brief. This play illustrates two parts of Tyrod's game, passing and elusiveness. It is easy to see his amazing athletic ability avoiding the defender and using his strong arm to rocket that pass into a tight window. However, there are three different things that Taylor accomplishes that are either overlook, yet are things that people have problems with that he answers on this play. One, his footwork. One of the things that he has that isn't a weakness but not a strengths, he used his athletic ability to avoid the defender. But after the defender falls, he resets his feet perfectly by setting himself inside the boundary and wide enough to be balanced and make a good throw. Two, accuracy. Probably the biggest question mark in his game right now is his intermediate and deep accuracy. However, on this play after reseting his footwork extremely quickly, he hits his receiver right where only he could get it in traffic and placed it right in front so that the receiver could run onto the ball yet could still keep his feet in bounds, rather right at him where he would have to stop to make the catch. And lastly, probably my favorite part about the play, was his eyes. While he was rolling out of the pocket, his eyes were down field, right before he jukes out the defender he is looking down the field, and while setting his feet his eyes were down the field. He may have a way to go in terms of reading the field, but he is showing that he is making progressions.
7. The Key Ingredient: The Eagles Big Three (Andy, Marty, Michael)
via d.yimg.com
So what he's got all the tools? There have been athletes from VT just like him like Marcus Vick, Bryan Randall, and until Philly Vick at quarterback, yet have failed, why should he be different? Well my friends, it's like being a scientist to an extent. Like any scientists, you write down your steps in an experiment so that you or someone else can copy your work and see if they can get the same results. Let's apply the same concept here.
First let's start with Michael Vick. Tyrod Taylor and Mike Vick know each other and stay connected, both when to Virgina Tech and it has been reported that Vick kept continual contact with Taylor throughout his senior season. So they have a chemistry already and there will be no "animosity" toward his "heir". Taylor can get advice on progressions, throwing accuracy, etc from someone that had the same problems, which is huge when your teacher knows why you ask or knows why it is hard and what was the best way to fix it.
Next, we have the big guy, Andy Reid. He loves toys to work with in the draft, developmental guys that he can develop over the long haul. Tyrod Taylor is an empty canvas for Reid to create a superstar. Reid will look like a genius when Taylor emerges right after Vick and continues to reek havoc on opposing teams just like Vick. He knows how to build the offense around him so that he can succeed. If Andy drafts Taylor in the 5-7 range (where he is predicted), it's a no lose situation. If Taylor busts, it was a low pick and a low investment. If he succeeds and Taylor becomes a beast, Reid looks like a genius and pays Taylor little money.
Finally, Marty Mornhinweg. Marty can create an player that can become more explosive that Mike Vick, a Vick 2.0. Easier to correct because Taylor is young and less wear and tear than our current Mike Vick. I am confident that Taylor can become a beast with and only with the proper and best coaching, which Andy and Marty offer. If Marty succeeds, I think he easily becomes a hot head coaching candidate again.
8. Conclusion
What should people see with Tyrod Taylor? A high ceiling guy like Cam Newton, with more tools and more to work with immediately at a low cost. With proper coaching I see a blue chip quarterback. If selected in the 5-7 rounds, it will be one of the biggest steals Andy has ever done (Key words: 5-7 rounds).
Remember: Tyrod Taylor + 5-7 round + Eagles Coaching = Philadelphia Eagles Vick -10 years
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not a fan
but that throw was SICK!!!
Disclaimer: I am not a pro scout.
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
"The way I figure it, if my heads gonna pop off it's gonna pop off anyways" - Ellis Hobbs on the possibility of his neck breaking.
by MightyJoeBanner on Mar 20, 2011 7:10 PM EDT reply actions
ditto
the fact that he planted perfectly without stepping out of bounds and throwing a laser to a wideout in transition horizontally into the receiver’s hands while in double coverage while the quarterback has about three defenders around him?!
epicness!
"This team (Philadelphia Eagles) gives me the best chance of winning a Super Bowl."
-Michael Vick #7
Good read
Can’t say I realy know him all that well but this was a nice read and take on something instead of rehashing the CBA or the usual names in the draft again. Thanks!
We all thought the QB spot was changing last time Vick did amazingly and none of the mobile QBs after Vick did anything. Vince Young, Pat White, Seneca Wallace, Tavaris Jackson, Troy Smith, Dennis Dixon, Josh Johnson, Tim Tebow, Joe Webb etc. etc. etc. Everyone wants a talent like Vick but I think its time that we recognize that Vick is a once in a generation type of talent that cannot be replicated.
Now because Vick lit shit up this past season some team is going to overdraft Cam Newton, Jake Locker is going to be drafted highly, Colin Kaepernick is going to be drafted higher than he ever should’ve been, someone is going to reach on Tyrod in the 4th round and someone is going to draft Josh Portis. Everyone wants the next Vick and there has yet to be anyone even comparable.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
In fairness, Vince Young and Tebow are the only first rounders there, and I think its fair to say that Young, Dixon, Webb, and Troy Smith have had decent success thus far, and outside Wallace, Pat White, and Jackson, I’m not sure any of them have seen enough time to be considered “proven” anything, be that busts or successes.
I’m not saying any of these guys are worthy of comparing to Vick, but I think it would be unfair to say that none of them can become as good as he is.
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I’m not saying any of these guys are worthy of comparing to Vick, but I think it would be unfair to say that none of them can become as good as he is.
True, I’m just saying that I think it is very unlikely. Vick is in my opinion a once in a generation (at least) type of a talent that I don’t think is going to be replicated for a while and I think that teams chasing the “next Vick” are going to hit a dead end because there is no “next Vick” at this point IMO.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Tyrod
will not be a first rounder. Im not sure if that exactly fits what your point is or not, but he will not be a first rounder. And the reason why these college running QB’s weren’t first rounder is bc they are not worthy of being one.
As far as the guys you have listed as “decent success” Young is the only one that I would say has had decent success. And he can’t hold on to a starting job. Above I posted Tyrod is a poor mans Vick. But in reality all of these guys are a poor mans Vick. Vick is the exception to the rule. His athletic ability is FREAKISHLY above his peers.
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
"The way I figure it, if my heads gonna pop off it's gonna pop off anyways" - Ellis Hobbs on the possibility of his neck breaking.
by MightyJoeBanner on Mar 21, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I wasn’t saying Taylor would be a first at all. And my argument is that none of these guys are supposed to be Vick. Everyone knows that none of these guys are Vick, but Vick showed how much of a benefit athelticism can be in a QB. Nobody was looking for the “next Vick”, they were looking for QBs who could run and throw well.
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Nope.
He’s not exciting at all.
He’s Pat White 2.0.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Taylor in the passing game is farther ahead than cam
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
No way in hell this is true
Pat White rushed almost as many times as he threw the ball . WV loves the option, imo.
and like N5 said below, Taylor can throw the ball pretty well… hope you checked out the vid ^
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by Ralf E Chubbs on Mar 21, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
yes, but he's not that good...
Honestly Taylor looks like a career backup who’d be lucky to have a career comparable to seneca wallace.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
There is a lot more to work with than Cam, Taylor proved his senior year that he throw first rather than run
With Newton you have a dynamic runner with a questionable throwing motion and accuracy along with no experience taking snaps under center. Taylor is much more NFL ready, he is just super underrated
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
Umm,
did you ever watch Cam Newton throw?? And I’m sorry his throwing motion isn’t as bad as you think, he just changes it from drive to drive for some reason.
Also Cam’s got a fucking cannon.. Like Vick… And if Andy can fix Vick and make him more accurate in 1 year, imagine what he can do with Cam..
Also Cam took quite a few snaps under center.
Taylor’s not that good. I feel like he’s super overrated.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Mechanics: Has an awkward throwing motion and will need to adjust his release point. Has a throwing motion very similar to Vince Young’s. Has long legs and do better setting up his feet to avoid throwing off his back foot. Took almost all of snaps out of the shotgun. Will probably need to work on drop back footwork. More importantly, he’ll have to learn how to read a defense while doing so.
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2011/1/14/1934214/cam-newton-nfl-draft-scouting-report
Mechanical:This is quite possibly the weakest area of Newton’s game. His mechanics are quite often down right awful. He has a propensity to throw off balance and off his back foot, even when not facing any measurable pressure. Both throws I mentioned above featured Newton doing some sort of ridiculous "hop pass" despite have absolutely no reason to. A good NFL QB coach will do nothing but footwork drills for the first few weeks he’s in camp.
http://nfldraftmonsters.com/scouting/scouting-report-cam-newton/
Newton has the ability to hit any target, he just does not do it routinely right now. This points to a mechanics flaw, since he will sometimes miss on a pass that he made before under the same conditions.
http://www.newerascouting.com/2011/02/cam-newton-scouting-report/
Here are his scouting reports, he doesn’t have a very good throwing motion, but to me as long as it is fast, im ok with it. And I know he has a cannon, so does Taylor. But between the two, Taylor is more pro ready with accuracy and footwork than Cam. Less to teach. Probably the thing that is keeping him from being discussed as a 2-3 round QB is his height and deep ball accuracy, and accuracy as you said can be fixed. Cam Newton is superrr overrated.
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
So?
Vick had piss poor mechanics… Reid and co can fix that..
Newton’s a far superior talent, I’d rather have him than just about anybody.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
On the flip side, Mike McMahon had piss poor mechanics and Reid/Marty didn’t fix him.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Cam Newton: future QB bust
Let's be honest
McMahon wasn’t even on the same planet at Vick..
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Neither is Cam Newton. ;)
Of course, something that isn’t going to get fixed by Reid and the coaching staff is Newton’s attitude. Taking this from Pro Draft Central:
There are also the character questions, and this is really where most of my concerns about Newton lie. While at the University of Florida, Newton was arrested for stealing a laptop, and then throwing it out the window when the police showed up (the charges were dropped after Newton completed a diversion program). The reason he left Florida was that he was alledgedly involved in multiple cheating scandals, and transferred out to avoid a suspension from the team or expulsion from the university.
…
Throughout the draft process, I have heard from many different sources that Newton’s outgoing, charismatic public persona is vastly different from how he is privately, where he is arrogant and entitled. We have seen glimpses of this at times, such as the time he declared himself to be an entertainer and an icon, and his use of the third person at press conferences from time to time. For me, there is no trait I like less in a football player than someone who has a sense of entitlement, because it means they will sit back and not put the work in to make the most of their talents, and in my opinion, is the number one indicator that a player will be a bust. Also, if he is entitled now, how bad is it going to get once he is drafted, has a big contract and no longer has to prove himself.
The only reason why Vick ever got over his characters issue is because he went to jail and lost $100 million in bankruptcy in span of a few months. Newton got similar attitude to likes of Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, and Jamarcus Russell, which isn’t a good thing.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Cam Newton: future QB bust
that's cool
you can have your opinion, bro… I just want you to admit that he’s better at passing than Pat White, who btw is not even in the league anymore… much better to be a career backup than not playing at all.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Mar 22, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Was the Hawaii thing really necessary? Lucky bastard.
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your going to hate me more
I live here
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
hey now
things are soo expensive here now. It’s over 4.20 a gallon of gas. So its a trade off.
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
Doesn’t everyone just surf to where ever their going there?
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Mar 21, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
And my computer is made from coconuts and wild animals running on a wheel that spins to create my electricity?
No to both, the island that I live on which is the Big Island (thoughtful name) doesn’t get waves (good waves) unit the winter, b/c the island of Maui blocks the swells that Oahu gets.
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
You fucker the Islands like 3 miles in diameter
you don’t need gas you fuckers can just walk coast to coast.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
no its not
sorry cant tell if it’s sarcasm on the internet
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
LOL,
I was being sorta sarcastic.. I guess you can say it’s a hyperbole..
I’m just saying the Islands aren’t that big, and most you can walk from shore to shore.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
actually it's pretty big for an island
from where I live it is a 3.5 hour drive to the southern most part of the island
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
Eh, when I think big Island I'm thinking like Japan or Australia.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Hawaii
Nice to see theres other eagles fans in the 808!
what island?
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
Problems...
- If Kolb goes we need a vet.
- If Kolb stays we have our three.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
Good points. Like you said, if Kolb leaves, we’ll then have just Vick and Kafka. There’s no way, in my opinion, that Kafka is a decent #2 option at this point in his career, and you obviously can’t rely on Tyrod Taylor (assuming we drafted him) either.
And, as you point out, if Kolb stays (which I don’t think is going to happen, but could just be wishful thinking), then we’re set at QB.
There’s no way the Eagles keep 4 QBs, and I don’t think if they drafted TT that they’d move him to WR or something like that. I also don’t think they’re getting rid of Kafka. Not that he’s great or anything, but what’s the point of cutting him at this point in his career after only drafting him with a 4th round pick last year?
I’d like to have TT on the team if we could get him late in the draft (5th-7th, preferably 6th or 7th) but I don’t think he’ll last that long. There’s a number of teams with bad QB situations out there. This includes teams with capable starters, but really bad backup situations. There’s also a number of teams out there looking for a project type QB such as TT. Bottom line: I don’t see TT being drafted by the Eagles.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Mar 20, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
good point
if free agency doesn’t manifest aA LOT of teams are going to be going need over best guy on the board. This is going to be a weird draft!
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
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by MightyJoeBanner on Mar 21, 2011 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for this-
I’m sold on a low(er) draft pick for TT… I just don’t think Marty will be staying around past this season or next… and J Urban is gone as well.
I also think he will be drafted higher, probably in the 4th round.
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a lot of his scouting reports have him going in the 6-7 range, so i bumped it up to 5-7
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
He's no Kapernick...
but he’d be a hell of a consolation prize IMO.
I still REEEEAAAAAALLY want Kapernick in the 2nd, but I’ll def take this dude in the 4th or 5th if we can’t.
I'd like Kaepernick in the 2nd too.
I’d go Cam, Ponder, Mallett and Kaepernick.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
shit thaks
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
I can see it happening
I really like how guys like Vick mature. They don’t lose a step in their elusiveness but they learn to keep their eyes downfield for the opening rather than taking off. This guy fixed his run first problem while in college and showed he can make the throws like that insane one in the video. I like the guy. He sits behind Vick for 2 years and he’s got a great upside. I like the idea of drafting this kid.
true
but just because Vick is amazing in our offense doesn’t mean that we should try to find the Mike Vick of every draft because truth is, there prob will never be another one. He is a rare talent. I wouldn’t be upset about this pick, especially because its so late in the draft. But I wouldn’t be opposed to grabbing Mallet, Delvin or Dalton. All 3 of them look good in my opinion. Mallet may fall due to his question marks off the field. I think Andy proved he can work wonders with character issues and the kids arm is undeniable. He has the best arm in the draft, with some proper mentoring I think he can be the best qb out of this draft.
by phillyfan330 on Mar 22, 2011 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions
most likley
But Delvin and Dalton can realistically fall to the 5-7 range aswell. They’re all questionmarks, I don’t think there is one sure-shot qb in this draft class. It all depends on who is coachin the players up.
by phillyfan330 on Mar 23, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions

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