The Brandon Harris Hate

Alright people, its getting a bit out of hand so I think its time we address this. And I don't mean make abstract comparisons, call him names or just say 'he sucks' etc. etc. I mean for all the hate going around there has to be some sort of reason behind it right? Explain yourselves, give me actual thoughts not just dumb comparisons (comparing him to Lito, Hobbs etc.). I'm not going to do anything real in depth, this isn't to inform you or anything, this is a more of a discussion thing.
So first things first I guess, I'll just start with the combine numbers.
Brandon Harris measured in at 5'9.5" and 191 pounds. He ran a 4.46 40 yard dash. He benched 225 lbs 13 times. He had a 35.5" vertical jump. Harris notched a 9'05" broad jump, a 4.12 20 yard shutttle and a 6.77 3-cone drill.
To put Brandon Harris' speed into context lets compare him to DeSean Jackson's combine/pro-day numbers.
DeSean Jackson and Brandon Harris ran identical 10 yard splits and Brandon Harris' 20 yard split was .02 seconds faster than DeSean's. Brandon Harris has slightly better lateral quickness than DeSean Jackson as Brandon Harris' 20 yard shuttle was .07 seconds faster than DeSean's. Brandon Harris also displayed slightly better agility with a faster 3 cone drill time. He isn't slow.
So is he undersized? No. Is he on the small side? Yeah. But he is the same size as Brandon Flowers, one of the best corners in the NFL. He is also the same size as Josh Wilson, Sheldon Brown, Cortland Finnegan, Antoine Winfield, Jabari Greer and Ronde Barber who are some of the better corners in the NFL.
So what exactly is the knock on Brandon Harris? I've heard people call him a worse version of Asante, I've heard people call him a worse version of Lito Sheppard and I've even heard people compare him to Ellis Hobbs. People have said he is weak in run support. People have said he jumps routes too much. People (including me at one point) say "He got pwned by Michael Floyd!". People have made up all kinds of stuff to bash Brandon Harris. Let me just point out right now that I believe that those things couldn't be any more untrue.
Lets put the whole "He got owned by Michael Floyd" thing to rest.
He allowed 1 TD pass and it happened when he slipped and fell. Had he not slipped that wouldn't have been a completed pass.
And for what its worth he shut down Jonathan Baldwin when Miami played Pitt. He also did a great job on Demaryius Thomas when they played Georgia Tech in a bowl game in the 2009 season.
I made that particular video and I can tell you that the video shows every time that Brandon Harris was even targeted that game.
My impression of Brandon Harris is this:
Brandon Harris is a great athlete, he participated in track at Miami and he displays great man to man cover skills. His athletic ability and strength allow him to match-up with bigger receivers and his quickness allows him to stick with smaller receivers. Where he lacks is zone coverage, you'll notice that his footwork in zone coverage is choppy and he doesn't really break on the ball all that well because he doesn't have great footwork. And he is a very willing run defender, he isn't going to back down from anyone in run support and he never gives up on plays, he is the Asante Samuel anti-thesis in run support.
To back me up I'll show you some scouting reports:
Read & React: Quick to recognize run and does a nice job of coming up in support. Reads the body language of the receiver and is typically in good position to a make a play on the ball due to his instincts and standout athleticism. Rarely out of position, especially when playing man to man. Does a nice job of focusing on his receiver rather than peeking into the backfield, though this leads to fewer interceptions than he'd have if he "cheated" more.
Man Coverage: Better in man to man coverage than zone due to his pure athleticism. Quick feet, loose hips, good balance and outstanding speed to remain in the hip pocket of his opponent. Doesn't back down from the challenge of playing bigger receivers. Keys on the receiver and gets his head around late. Quick hands to knock passes away, but doesn't have the time to locate the football, leading to more PBUs than INTs.
Zone Coverage: Improved his overall recognition as a junior, but remains a better man to man corner than zone defender. Good feel for where receivers are around him, but can get flat-footed and savvy QBs can "push" him laterally, opening up holes for receivers to expose. Generally a reliable open-field tackler, but isn't a punisher.
Closing/Recovery: Possesses outstanding game speed, including a late burst to recover if beaten initially. Can plant and drive downhill on the ball. Good recognition to know when he's beat and to make the tackle and when he has a chance to break up the pass or go for the interception. Times his collisions well so he doesn't draw the flag. Times his leaps well to compete for jump passes and shows good hand-eye coordination to slap away the ball as the receiver is attempting to secure it. Doesn't turn enough PBU's into interceptions, however, only securing four despite 26 passes defensed over his career.
Run Support: Recognizes run quickly and isn't afraid to come up in support. Good agility and flashes physicality to break free from receiver blocks. Maintains his containment responsibility and will force the back inside. Isn't a physical tackler, too often resorting to duck and swipe techniques, but gets the man on the ground.
Tackling: A reliable open-field tackler, but isn't always pretty doing it. Has a tendency to lead with his shoulder and/or lunge at the defender, resulting in some precarious tackles. Flashes the ability to deliver a pop, but relies too much on arm tackles. Has to do a better job of wrapping up the ballcarrier, though important to note that he did not miss a tackle on the games reviewed. Occasionally asked to blitz off the edge. Times the blitz well, shows good closing speed and the wherewithal to strip the football. Did take a terrible angle on a big play by Notre Dame WR Michael Floyd in the Sun Bowl.
Intangibles: Passionate and accountable. Quoted as saying that he and his classmates (2008 signing class) should dedicate their 2010 season to head coach Randy Shannon and that they were largely to blame for Miami's inconsistency. (Despite Harris' words, Shannon was ultimately fired.) Ran track for Miami as a freshman in the 60 meter (indoor), 400 meter (outdoor) and 4x400 meter (both). Good bloodlines. Coached in high school by his father, Tim Harris, USA Today's National Coach of the Year (2007). His brother, Tim, Jr. was a four-time All-American in track for Miami. Only needs to serve a two-month internship to earn his bachelor's degree in Business.
From The National Football Post:
A tall, good-looking cornerback prospect who possesses a long set of arms, good coordination and knows how to go up and make a play on the football. Looks more natural as an off/zone corner. Possesses natural bend when asked to sit into his stance and is much more patient with his footwork when asked to play off the line. Does a better job keeping his feet under him and cleanly getting in and out of his breaks. Isn't as technically sound up close to the line of scrimmage. Gets too impatient on his punch and at times loses balance into contact, can easily be stroked off the line and is forced to play from behind. Also, doesn't trust his backpedal as much either, has a tendency to play a bit upright and overextended at times when trying to change directions vertically down the field. However, possesses good fluidity in the hips and has a second gear to make up for a false step and track the football vertically.
Exhibits good closing speed down the field and has impressive click and close ability when asked to sit on routes. Lacks ideal strength in jump ball situations and at times can be overwhelmed by bigger receivers, but for the most part does a nice job keeping his feet under him, maintaining his balance and going up to high point the play. Snaps his head around quickly, locates the football well and displays natural body control when asked to go make a play. Also, has some toughness in the run game. Is a willing tackler who will throw his body around and has some natural power as a striker. Doesn't wrap up well in pursuit, but when asked to break down in space, shoots well into tackles, wraps up and has had success bringing down some physical receivers one-on-one in space.
Impression: Needs to polish up his footwork a bit, especially closer to the line of scrimmage. But the natural fluidity, body control and make-up speed is there for him to mature into a very good starting corner in the NFL.
From our very own Mocking The Draft:
Agility: Harris is a fluid athlete who can flip his hips open to turn and run in man coverage. Change-of-direction ability is outstanding. Is an excellent athlete who ran track in high school and at Miami.
Ball skills: Has only ordinary to below-average hands. He's more the kind of cornerback who is capable of breaking up a pass, as evidenced by his 26 passes defended. Has played some on kick returns (15 career), so he may develop some in this area. Dropped numerous interceptions as a freshman and was thrown at less and less the next two years.Body control: Although Harris doesn't have the best height, he maintains good body control to properly time his jumps. Of course bigger receivers have a good chance to beating him on jump balls, Harris times his leaps nicely. He's a fluid athlete, so it's hard to get Harris off his spot in bump coverage.
Instincts: This is one of Harris' bigger areas of strength. He doesn't seem to get confused by pre-snap adjustments by the offense and works in motion nicely. Has covered the slot and outside receiver in the same game, so he has a good feel for the field.
Man coverage: Has a tendency to get beat off the line by big and fast receivers who can push him around. Has the ability to make up for this due to his very good quickness, short-area burst and deep speed. Prefers to play tight man, but is best in off-man coverage.
Size: Harris' size was exposed his junior year in the Sun Bowl against Notre Dame. Receiver Michael Floyd was able to use his size to out-man Harris for the ball. At his size, teams might only want to match him up against smaller receivers. Has a good build to his frame, but could get stronger to secure tackles better.
Speed: Plays much faster than his timed speed. Knows how to use his speed to stay with the wide receiver, especially deep down the field. Doesn't take time to get up to speed. Still, as good as Harris' speed is, you'd expect him to be considered more as a special teams player.
Tackling: Is good enough as a tackler. Teams may ask him to get stronger as sometimes he'll need to rely on gang tackling to take down the ball carrier. Sometimes takes questionable angles to the ball carrier.
Zone coverage: Played more man coverage in his career than zone and it shows. As good as Harris is before the snap, he is sometimes slow to adjust in zone to locating the ball and taking the proper angle. He can make up for this problem because of his excellent short-area quickness. Needs to have a safety over the top in zone coverage so he only has to worry about a smaller area.
Final word: For good and bad, Harris has skills that cannot be coached. His short area play is great he's incredibly instinctual for a early entrant. The bad trait that can't be helped is his height. Because of his size, some teams may only view Harris as a nickel cornerback in man coverage schemes. Still, he's relentless and remains confident against bigger receivers.
On a zone team, Harris will have to be given some time to learn. As instinctual as Harris is, you'd expect him to be more comfortable when he has to cover a wide area in zone. Instead, he'll need safety help over the top. It also doesn't help that Harris' hands are lacking. Still, he has the agility and playing ability of a first-round pick.
Was named a first-team All-ACC pick in 2009 with 52 tackles, 15 passes defensed, six tackles for loss and two interceptions. Was a second-team All-ACC pick in 2010 with 48 tackles, eight passes defensed and an interception.
From Doug Farrar of Football Outsiders and Yahoo! Sports
Pros: Adjusts well to motion pre-snap. Trails receivers tightly on timing and crossing routes and has the short-area speed to recover on digs and comebacks. Closes exceptionally well on screens and swing passes. He'll lose one-on-one jumping battles because of his height, but he has a great sense of timing to leap as the receiver starts to descend. Excellent sense of play direction; you don't see him getting fooled out of a potential play by receiver moves or quarterback fakes. Seems to have an innate sense of when to be aggressive and jump a route, and when to hang back and tackle. Clearly responds to coaching and learns from his mistakes in coverage.
Decent form tackler in run support for his size (5-foot-11, 195 pounds), though bigger players will drag him and he'll have to wait for help at times. Doesn't shy away from lining up to set the edge. Quick enough to avoid getting beaten by jukes in space, and he doesn't hesitate to being a knock once he zeroes in.
Cons: Harris is a better man corner than he is in zone, especially zone where he's playing off. Less of problem when he's playing under with or without safety help, but he seems to get a bit lost with a bigger zone to defend. Faster receivers who can push off will gain advantage -- Harris will struggle to catch up at times. Passes defensed numbers are partially inflated because he has a habit of slapping the ball away even when he could go for the pick.
Conclusion: If Harris was two inches taller, we'd be talking about him as a top-15 draft pick. But as he stands (literally), he's still got enough talent to start his path in the NFL as an outstanding nickel corner and make the transition to starting cornerback in a system in which pure man-speed is more important than zone recognition and the ability to tackle. With continued focus on his technique, he should be able to meet good coaching all the way and make a real difference for his NFL team.
I'm not jumping ship here on Jimmy Smith, Jimmy Smith is my guy but I'm just saying that the Brandon Harris hate is ridiculous at this point, he isn't a bad player by any measure. Quite frankly, this is the guy I think the Eagles pick too. As much as I love Jimmy Smith as a player there are concerns about his character and the Eagles seem to be avoiding those guys lately. Plus he fits the Eagles mold that all of the corners seemingly fit in. Aside from Matt Ware and leftover Ray Rhodes guys (Vincent, Taylor, Harris) the Eagles have never really had any big corners, they've always stuck with smaller guys on the outside.
Just look at the guys currently on the roster:
Asante Samuel: 5’11" 185 lbs. 4.49 40 yard dash
Trevard Lindley: 5’11" 183 lbs. 4.51 40 yard dash
Dimitri Patterson: 6’ 195 lbs. 4.60 40 yard dash
Joselio Hanson: 5’9" 185 lbs. ??? 40 yard dash
Ellis Hobbs: 5’9" 192 lbs. 4.45 40 yard dash
Brandon Hughes: 5’10" 182 lbs. 4.50 40 yard dash
Jorrick Calvin: 5’10" 182 lbs. 4.46 40 yard dash
Gerard Lawson: 5’11" 192 lbs. 4.57 40 yard dash
Guys the Eagles have drafted include:
Lito Sheppard 5'10" 194 pounds 4.48 40 yard dash
Sheldon Brown 5'9" 196 pounds 4.46 40 yard dash
Jack Ikegwuonu 5'10" 194 pounds 4.45 40 yard dash
Brandon Harris fits at 5'10" 191 pounds with 4.46 speed.
So I've got a feeling that a lot of you are going to have to get used to Brandon Harris and I think that its about time we reign in the hate and start to come to terms with the fact that this guy has a chance (big chance IMO) at being an Eagle.
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I'm ok with Harris but..
Not as a first choice. Maybe in these in 2nd rd? He’s not that big, his hands aren’t great and his foot work isn’t great.
by Saidrick on Mar 14, 2011 2:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
He is going to go in the first round, no way in hell he is there for the Eagles in the second.
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Right
I am ok with him but I would like smith or an o line in the first more.
by Saidrick on Mar 14, 2011 3:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I feel the same way...
Harris is a Plan-B option if all else fails.
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by no1pipelayer on Mar 14, 2011 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Why?
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Plaxico is coming back...
and a guy like Smith could defend that end zone fade.
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by no1pipelayer on Mar 14, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Somehow I’m not worried about a 33 year old receiver who has spend the last two years in prison and will likely not even be in the same division as us.
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Dude
I’m using Plaxico as an example of why a taller CB would be preferable.
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by no1pipelayer on Mar 15, 2011 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions
A receiver who has been in prison the past two years and is 33 is your example? Okay… I would’ve used Kenny Britt or someone big receiver who has went off against the Eagles.
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by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
OK, fine
put Kenny Britt, Sidney Rice, Nicks etc in there and the point of his argument is exactly the same.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
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Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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Obviously the message was getting lost in the minutia.
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by no1pipelayer on Mar 15, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Hakeem Nicks didn’t kill us this past season and he isn’t even big. He is 6’ tall and 210 pounds.
SIdney Rice didn’t kill us at all, he had 1 catch for 16 yards.
Kenny Britt was a fluke game.
Aside from Kenny Britt, big receivers didn’t kill us at all last season.
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by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's be honest bro,
the top WR’s are mostly big, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson etc.. It’d be nice to have a guy who can match up to their strengths.
That and if we have a big CB he’s going to bully the fuck outta the smaller guys..
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
I want a bully at corner too but I’m not opposed to getting a guy like Brandon Harris like it seems so many others.
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"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
are.
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"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Not my fault I just see very little potential.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
im with ya d-jack.....
u can count me in as a pro – Harris supporter, i dont know wats not 2 like about the guy, did he have a shitty game in the Sun Bowl ….yeah he did but im not gonna hate on the guy for 1 bad game. He would fit nicely into our defense for the fact that his strong point in coverage is playing Man, also the guy ran track and from wat ive seen of him on tape his recovery speed is top notch, at the end of the day though if i had a choice i would take Jimmy Smith over him but i think Harris would be a good plan B.
by goldenbird09 on Mar 14, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that...
…he won’t be there for the Eagles if we were to stay put in the second, but I don’t think he’s a first round pick at this point.
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Why? His play on the field shows a first round draft pick so why do you think he will be a second round draft pick?
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I just feel...
…that he has questions surrounding his skill set. Teams nowadays play a TON of zone defense and it seems as if he struggles mightily in it.
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I would prefer a 6’2" 200+ lb CB really to add a presence. If Jimmy Smith is there then i would like him over Harris but from watching some highlighlights of Harris I don’t think he’s as overrated as a lot of people make out. These scouting reports certainly seem to have him in higher regard than I did though so it was an interesting read. I definitely don’t think he’ll bust if he’s picked but like I say I would like to get a player who could intimidate receivers with his size and match up against the big receivers in the NFC East at the moment.
I’m with you, believe me, I just think that for some reason Brandon Harris got a bad rap on this site and I think it has gotten to the point where its not realistic criticism of Brandon Harris anymore.
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i would want Jimmy first but......
i wouldnt be disappointed if we wound up with Harris. I dont think its gonna happen though, i think the only corner we would take at 23 would be Jimmy Smith but i think he’ll be gone, and being how stong the CB class is opposed 2 the OT i think we def go OT and then take a CB who can help out in the return game in the 2nd round. Also ive been wondering wat everyone here thinks about Brandon Burton from Utah as a possible 2nd rd pick or early 3rd????
by goldenbird09 on Mar 14, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
for some reason I can’t reply to your comment but… I think it all escalated because people liked the idea of Jimmy Smith. From what i remember Harris was regarded ahead of Smith by several mock drafts when all the draft hype started. Then Smith got more popular and I think some people maybe began to look for reasons not to draft Harris. If you try you can begin to see some problems that aren’t really there and I think that might be what happened with Brandon Harris.
I must have missed some discussions because this seems totally out of the blue to me.
I like Jimmy Smith better (and yes, his size is part of the reason), so I’d take him first. But I wouldn’t say I hate Brandon Harris. His tackling concerns me, but beyond that I’m not sure he is comparable to Asante (in a bad way). He doesn’t really “cheat” or go for broke to get interceptions from what I’ve seen and read. There are players out there I’d take before Harris, but I don’t think it would be the end of the world if he was our first pick.
The hate from Eagles perspective is fairly easily explained
He’s 5’9", you said it yourself. We have enough of those kinds of players already. End of story, no need to continue reading the rest of the reasons. If we draft a Corner in the first 3 rounds that’s not 6’0+ the Eagles draft will get booed hardcore, it’s that simple.
As for the rest of the league.. it’s probably the same. 5’9" Corners are a dime a dozen.
He’s 5’9", you said it yourself.
Nope
Brandon Harris fits at 5’10" 191 pounds
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You do realize that Brandon Harris is average sized right?
Big corners often fail because they lack short area quickness, its why Antonio Cromartie is so terrible, its why Antrelle Rolle moved to safety and why all those ‘big’ corners end up as safeties. Outside of Nnamdi, Charles Woodson and Charles Tillman can you give me any half decent ‘big’ corners?
None of the players on the Eagles roster right now outside of Asante Samuel have cover skills even remotely comparable to Brandon Harris. Being the same size doesn’t mean they’re the same player, if that was true Reggie Brown would be the second coming of Terrell Owens and DeSean Jackson would just be some random scrub small receiver.
I will not be booing if the Eagles draft a corner smaller than 6’ because I am intelligent enough to realize that a large majority of corners aren’t 6’ tall or taller. For instance…
Darelle Revis: 5’11
Asante Samuel: 5’10
Vontae Davis: 5’11
Terrence McGee: 5’9
Leodis McKelvin: 5’10
Kyle Arrington: 5’9
Devin McCourty: 5’10
Darius Butler: 5’10
Kyle Wilson: 5’10
Josh Wilson: 5’10
Jonathan Joseph: 5’11
Leon Hall: 5’11
Joe Haden: 5’10
Sheldon Brown: 5’9
Eric Wright: 5’10
Bryant McFadden: 5’11
Kareem Jackson: 5’10
Kelvin Hayden: 5’10
Cortland Finnegan: 5’10
Champ Bailey: 6’
Brandon Flowers: 5’9
Quentin Jammer: 5’11
Terrence Newman: 5’10
Mike Jenkins: 5’10
DeAngelo Hall: 5’10
Tramon WIlliams: 5’11
Antoine Winfield: 5’8
Dunta Robinson: 5’10
Brent Grimes: 5’9
Richard Marshall: 5’11
Captain Munnerlyn: 5’8
Tracy Porter: 5’10
Jabari Greer: 5’10
Ronde Barber: 5’9
Nate Clements: 5’11
Marcus Trufant: 5’11
Kelly Jennings: 5’10
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"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
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I fact checked some of those randomly and you’re not even posting intelligent data.
http://www.nfl.com/players/kelvinhayden/profile?id=HAY034606
http://www.nfl.com/players/kellyjennings/profile?id=JEN553305
You under-estimated their sizes by over an inch. You also corrected my post above because I rounded down by 0.5" according to your original post. You’re quite the hypocrite man.
The answer to your post, is still, “he’s too short”. Also, times have changed man, 5’9.5 is not worthy of a first round pick. I don’t really care what you argue, he’s not going in the 1st round so you’re gonna lose the argument whichever way you look at it.
oops
I meant to say early in the first round. He’s probably a good target for Green Bay or Pittsburg.
No one is arguing for him to be an early round 1 pick. Quit making shit up and arguing against things no one said.
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"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, the data is absolutely 100% correct, NFL.com height and weight numbers round up by over half an inch often times, the numbers I gave you were combine measurements.
5107
5103
Feel free to go through and fact check them all. They’re correct so have fun wasting your time.
And I’m not sure if you noticed or not but I didn’t correct you for rounding down half an inch. That was DeSean10 so watch the name calling if you’ve got no idea what you’re talking about. If is was to call you a name based on your arguments so far, it would be ‘moron’.
And I think I’ve busted the whole ‘he is too short’ thing. Brandon Flowers is one of the best corners in the NFL and he is only 5’9". Josh Wilson was one of the best corners in the NFL last season and he is only 5’9". Sheldon Brown was a shut down corner for the Eagles for a long time and he was only 5’9". Antoine Winfield has been a stalwart at corner for a large part of the past decade and he is only 5’8". Terrence McGee has been starting at corner for the Bills (and doing a good job mind you, although he is coming of an injury shortened year and he is aging) since 2004 and he is only 5’9". If you’ve got the skills, it doesn’t matter how tall you are and it is fairly common to see a 5’9" corner.
I would say you’re wrong about him being a first rounder but it would appear that you can see the future, can you tell me the lottery numbers too?
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"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
lottery numbers?
Lol forums are for speculation.. in particular your post is all speculation. Don’t like mine? Too bad, don’t read it.
by cin7 on Mar 15, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t really care what you argue, he’s not going in the 1st round so you’re gonna lose the argument whichever way you look at it.
Yep, you just put forth your opinion. You didn’t make an ass of yourself and act like your opinion was fact or anything…
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Mirrors
Throw up a shit ton of arrogance and you get a shit ton back.
You might want to go back and reassess who started this little exchange:
I fact checked some of those randomly and you’re not even posting intelligent data.
You’re quite the hypocrite man.
I don’t really care what you argue, he’s not going in the 1st round so you’re gonna lose the argument whichever way you look at it.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
This really isn't a good place for ya if you don't respect people's opinions
“I will not be booing if the Eagles draft a corner smaller than 6’ because I am intelligent enough to realize that a large majority of corners aren’t 6’ tall or taller. For instance…”
So I replied with, “I fact checked some of those randomly and you’re not even posting intelligent data.”
Seems pretty fair to me. 5’9.5" is small. Your post listed some 5’11" people.. that’s 2" taller. It was just a dumb waste of space on this forum assuming that I don’t know the average size of CBs. Our D is undersized = fact. Draft someone taller plz = opinion.
You’ve turned a very simple opinion into 15 replies of bashing because you knocked my intelligence when you don’t even know me. I didn’t write anything offensive in my first post replying to your fanpost. Move on.
Howie
Howie Roseman, “You need some unique tools to play CB. There’s not a lot of guys who are 6’2”, 220 lbs with rare speed, good feet, and change of direction. And once you see a guy like that you jump at the opportunity".
If you want to go argue with our GM that’s fine. The point of my post was just to remind you that we’re in market for a tall CB due to the problems we’ve had the past couple years on D, etc. If you still think the Eagles will pick him then whatever man, time will tell. But there’s a pretty good reason why we won’t.
Also, guess who’s 6’2"? More Nnamdi speculation!
Just stop.
I’ve actually got a couple problems with invoking this particular Roseman quote:
A. That isn’t the quote, the actual quote is this:
"He’s rare because he is a huge corner who can hit, he’s got explosive speed, he can return. There’s a lot of buzz because guys like that are hard to find…There are not a lot of guys that are 6-2, 220 pounds with rare speed and good feet and change of direction. Once you see one of those guys, you probably jump on him a little bit."
B. You never gave any context to the quote, you made it seem as if he is looking for that in all corners whereas in reality he was gushing over Patrick Peterson.
C. You’re taking one aspect of the quote and using it to your advantage (height) and completely ignoring the other aspects (good feet, COD skills).
So basically, you’re wrong. You’re wrong in just about every way. We’re not in the market for a tall corner, we’re in the market for a talented corner and Brandon Harris is just that which means that he will be an option on draft day and one that I think the Eagles will strongly consider. Keep in mind that I do like Jimmy Smith more but to say that Brandon Harris won’t even be looked at because he isn’t tall enough is just dumb.
And guess who else is 6’2"?! Matt Ware! Maybe we’ll bring him in! /s
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I quoted it from today's Eagles live while I was listening to it
I didn’t have an article to copy and paste it from at the time. If you think I took it out of context and misquoted him then so be it. Put it back in context and my point is the same. Eagles are going to gush over anyone 6’0+ in this draft.. it’s what we need and it’s what we’ll draft. It’s not a lottery number, it’s what I think they should do. It’s the answer to your post, don’t attack me personally. I’m just telling you why people are down on 5’9.5" CB’s, the games changing. Show me a list of all the 6’4"+ receivers now compared to 10 years ago and you might make a more intelligent response.
Now you’re making stuff up. He never said he would gush over any 6’+ corner in the draft, he was gushing over Patrick Peterson.
Starting receivers who are 6’4" or taller include:
Calvin Johnson
Vincent Jackson
Mike Williams (Seattle)
Malcolm Floyd
Marques Colston
I’m sorry, you were saying?
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
You can't differentiate between opinion and fact?
Fact: You need some unique tools to play CB. There’s not a lot of guys who are 6’2", 220 lbs with rare speed, good feet, and change of direction.
Opinion: Eagles are going to gush over anyone 6’0+ in this draft.
I can but all I’m saying is that Howie gushing over Patrick Peterson does not mean he will gush over any tall corner especially considering the Eagles historically don’t bring in big corners.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
I can but all I’m saying is that Howie gushing over Patrick Peterson does not mean he will gush over any tall corner especially considering the Eagles historically don’t bring in big corners.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Oh and in addition to that, Howie Roseman said it himself, he isn’t looking for just any big corner, he is looking for one with ’good feet, rare speed and change of direction ability".
So unless the Eagles sign Nnamdi or somehow manage to get Patrick Peterson, Jimmy Smith or Prince Amukamara that isn’t happening. Tons of big corners lack the good feet and change of direction ability which is why so many of them are forced into Tampa 2 corner roles or moved to safety.
And for the record, Brandon Harris has great change of direction ability, good speed and quick feet.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s fine, I believe we’ll have one of those names you mentioned. At least that’s what I’d hope for, wouldn’t you?
I do have those three ranked above Brandon Harris, yes but I wouldn’t be mad if Harris was the pick and I highly doubt the Eagles refuse to look at him because he isn’t 6’ tall.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
So that’s all we differ on. I would be angry because we’re just going to see tall receivers continue to dominate us. Your prime example is Revis.. the Jets specifically went out and got Cromartie cuz of his height to match up with the taller receivers. I respect their defense and I would be angry if we didn’t realize that having a tall CB on the team is going to be required in today’s tall receiver league.
Seroiusly?
Revis never shutdown bigger receivers? I doubt that is the reason the jets signed cromartie. If that is the case, their front office has its priorities wrong when signing and evaluating talent. “This player is tall, let’s get him.” Give me a break. D-jack can sometimes be viewed as a know-it-all on this site, but you seem to not know much at all. Sorry.
by PhilsForever on Mar 15, 2011 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Cromartie wasn’t acquired because Revis couldn’t cover big receivers. Cromartie was acquired because the year before they had Lito who sucked and they wanted an upgrade at the #2 CB spot.
The league receivers aren’t getting any taller, I’m not sure where you’re pulling that from at all, they’re pretty much the same size as always. Just looking at the top guys at the spot I can tell you that they’re not these jumbo sized guys you make them out to be aside from a few. I think the emergence of Hakeem Nicks, Dez Bryant and Miles Austin has you scared and has you overestimating the emergence of big receivers (Nicks is actually the same size as Maclin, they’re both six feet tall).
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
No, they’ll go corner in the first. (see how easy it is to state something you don’t know about as fact)
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Or lets not bet on it. I’m just pointing out how ridiculous it is to go around stating your opinion as an absolute fact.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Ok its not absolute fact. Happy? I strongly believe Eagle go O-line in the 1st.
Do you think otherwise?
Yes, I do, I think they go with a cornerback.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
relax kids
everyone is getting so worked up in this thread.
"This is the most popular sport in America blaming its feet for insolence and cutting them off with a chainsaw to show them who's the boss in this arrangement. When it bleeds out, it will admit no regrets because those who paint themselves into corners forget that a path out ever existed."-Spencer Hall, The NFL Lockout and Taking Sides in The League's Labor Dispute
This really isn’t something worth betting on, so no.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they
trade out of 1st round
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
"The way I figure it, if my heads gonna pop off it's gonna pop off anyways" - Ellis Hobbs on the possibility of his neck breaking.
by MightyJoeBanner on Mar 15, 2011 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions
D-Jack, you do this all the time, come on man…
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
by Eagladelphia on Mar 14, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a pretty strong trait in his character. It will be expressed again, and again, and again.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
What trait ?
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
by Eagladelphia on Mar 17, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the “hate” is coming from uneducated opinions on him that other people then tend to view, and then make the same ‘argument’. I honestly haven’t watched enough tape on him to make a good judgement myself, but from reading about him here, and watching those videos, I think he can surely be a worthwhile prospect for us.
Speaking of Brandon Harris haters… should be interesting when w_e sees this.
"You don't call retarded people retards. It's bad taste. You call your friends retards when they're acting retarded." - Michael Scott
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Mar 14, 2011 2:46 PM EDT reply actions
agreed
But I do believe Peterson, Prince, and Jimmy Smith are most talented than Harris. But Harris is the fourth best in an extremely attractive class of Corners. I would be happy with Harris if Gabe Carimi, Anthony Constanzo and Jimmy Smith are gone by 23. The Hobbs comparison is due to speed, but Harris played better talent and was on a much better team so there really is very little to compare. I understand the Lito comparison because of size and speed but I think people forget how good lito was for his first 4 years before he got injured. We also took Lito in the 20s if I am not mistaken so it would be similar. As far as hate goes, it happens, I get shit on every mock draft I have or mentioned I write for a Blog that has been recognized by ESPN. People are just troll jerks.
Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"
I loved Lito, and he was key cog on the Eagles defense in their Dawkins Era heyday. Some of my favorite memories of Eagles games were after Lito got an INT. The scoreboard would show it while playing the “”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny5qme6EYB0" >Lido Shuffle“. Lito! WOO-OOOOA-OOOO! Here’s some ”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny5qme6EYB0" >Sheppard highilghts for the haters. He had some troubles at the end, but it’s too bad that’s what people seem to remember about him because he was awesome for a while.
"This is the most popular sport in America blaming its feet for insolence and cutting them off with a chainsaw to show them who's the boss in this arrangement. When it bleeds out, it will admit no regrets because those who paint themselves into corners forget that a path out ever existed."-Spencer Hall, The NFL Lockout and Taking Sides in The League's Labor Dispute
This is what I meant to post
I loved Lito, and he was key cog on the Eagles defense in their Dawkins Era heyday. Some of my favorite memories of Eagles games were after Lito got an INT. The scoreboard would show it while playing the Lido Shuffle. Lito! WOO-OOOOA-OOOO! Here’s some Sheppard highilghts for the haters. He had some troubles at the end, but it’s too bad that’s what people seem to remember about him because he was awesome for a while.
That link button didn’t seem to work too well.
"This is the most popular sport in America blaming its feet for insolence and cutting them off with a chainsaw to show them who's the boss in this arrangement. When it bleeds out, it will admit no regrets because those who paint themselves into corners forget that a path out ever existed."-Spencer Hall, The NFL Lockout and Taking Sides in The League's Labor Dispute
Don't get me wrong
I loved Lito, I bought his jersey and still have it.
But he only played in all 16 games once in his career here, and that was with only 3 starts. He was a hit or miss CB, and honestly his INT’s and TD returns out shined some of the flaws he had.
He was awesome for a 3 year stretch, but during that stretch he only played 12-13 games a season.. Sheldon was clearly the better CB.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
yes Sheldon will always be my favorite Eagles corner next to Troy Vincent
Trevor Laws: "Thank Giants for kicking to (Desean)."
Mike Vick: "Why would they kick to Desean?"
Matt Dodge: "Snap too high!"
NJ Eagle: "Fly Eagles Fly!!!"
Eric Allen ?
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
by Eagladelphia on Mar 17, 2011 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Allen was all coverage ( very good at it ) and no hitting.
Sheldon Brown had a great attitude. He was a real pro, not afraid to hit. Vincent was also nice and physical.
When you think about it, there have been quite a few very good, fan friendly DB play for the birds down through the years. Lucky us.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
I don't remember but Allen wasn't deficient in hitting like our boy Samuel, he got his man to the ground, and that's acceptable as long as you are a good to great in coverage.
Anybody remember Mark McMillan ?
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
by Eagladelphia on Mar 17, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
No more Lilliputian cornerbacks, please.
Respect is not given, it is earned goddoggit! - Brian Dawkins
A Gulliver’s Travels reference. Nice.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Brendan Hairress is retarded
You talked about his physical attributes, but lets face it, he’s a few fries short of a happy meal, a few petals short of a flower. His evelator doesnt not go to the top floor. a lunchbox without a handle. an xbox without a controlloer.
I’m am boreded. = )
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"You don't call retarded people retards. It's bad taste. You call your friends retards when they're acting retarded." - Michael Scott
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Mar 14, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally agreed
A lot of people here are size-shy right now. People are having Lito/Hobbs/Hanson nightmares and forgetting that their struggles are because they suck, not because they’re short. I’d be thrilled with Harris, Smith, or an o-lineman. Anybody else, not so much.
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Lito wasn’t even bad, he was good for a while there.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Not to mention Harris is tougher and better than Hobbs and is infinitely more talented than Joselio Hanson. Being the same height doesn’t mean they’re similar players. People are crazy, can’t see past triangle numbers.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
You are out in space, dude.
Most of the people on this site don’t look at “triangle numbers”. Truth is few people know wtf you’re talking about with “triangle numbers”.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
I’m pretty sure triangle numbers is a fairly common term. Its just height-weight-40 yard dash time.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 17, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Triangle numbers is a common term with football.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Here's the deal with Harris
It’s not that we don’t like him. But when you spend a first Rd pick on a cb without great hands, gets beat at the line, isn’t big even though a ton of wr’s are. It just doesn’t excite the senses. He a great rd2 player but a stretch in rd 1 . In my opinion.
by Saidrick on Mar 14, 2011 7:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
o
The only considerable amount of Harris hate on here was baited by this post.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
by KByars on Mar 14, 2011 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Maybe you should pay attention because pretty much any time there is a mock that has Brandon Harris in it or people start talking about Brandon Harris as a target, some people start bashing Harris about things that aren’t even true or reasonable. Just because you didn’t see it doesn’t mean it didn’t exist.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
If it was easy to miss, it’s probably not getting out of hand.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
by KByars on Mar 15, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It really wasn’t that easy to miss, anytime Brandon Harris was mentioned there were people who were bashing him. Pay attention next time.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
That’s far from getting out of hand, but way to set up a strawman, douse it in gasoline and challenge people to defend it, while you flick a lighter at a fuse you left hanging out of it.
You set out for battle.

And guess what, you won the interwebz, yay.

Great work champ.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
by KByars on Mar 15, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
O
Okay, thanks.
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Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe you posted a fat retarded picture of me!
i normally would’ve brushed it off, but you got me angry enough to post a pic of me flexing.

/openly mocking JoeD.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You guys are really going at it here...
What happened men ? Where did it all go wrong ??
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
by Eagladelphia on Mar 16, 2011 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I said that Steve Van Buren was more influential than Brian Westbrook and he is still in the midst of his hissy fit. I don’t understand why he doesn’t just get over it, but whatever.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
First of all, the first guy was way before my time, so I wouldn’t know how to compare them at this point. What post was that in, I’ll have to see the action that took place… but if that’s it then can’t we just agree to disagree and move on ??? (I know, it’s a different me trying to bring the peace) Or if not, then just go at it once and for all and see who survives (sorry, the old me coming out) and end this animosity once and for all. Just my opinion…
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
by Eagladelphia on Mar 16, 2011 5:57 AM EDT up reply actions
The only one concerned about Van Buren or Westbrook is you. Don’t try to shovel the blame for me thinking you’re douche onto them. The only one to blame for your doucheyness is you.
You set up a whole thread to bait people into arguing with you about a subject your researched in advance. If it looks like a douche, waddles like a douche and quacks like douche, it must be a douche.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I’m going to change my name to George Cohen and help mediate this thing, let’s see if I can do a better job of resolving this then the real George Cohen did of resolving that other thing (i forget what it is right now).
First step of resolving this is to not further it by throwing more insults at each other, can we agree to that ? If not then, the insults will just make it worse until someone punches their screen or something and breaks their hand, so take a deep breath before responding to each other and let’s just talk it out.
P.S. My mediation services will not be available until the evening now since I gotta get to work, but play nice until then, and I’ll check in on the progress.
It’s just a game guys, no reason to get our blood pressure up, trust me, i made this mistake already, it’s not worth it. I think you both have valid points in what you are saying to each other, it’s just the insults are going to further inflame this thing, but again, just my opinion…
Now go at it, round 2 (keep it clean).
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
by Eagladelphia on Mar 16, 2011 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Just stop.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Alright bud.
The only one concerned about Van Buren or Westbrook is you. Don’t try to shovel the blame for me thinking you’re douche onto them. The only one to blame for your doucheyness is you.
Oh really? I’m the only one concerned? Well that makes sense considering I could give a shit about that debate (if you can even call it that, it was more of a domination kind of thing) and you’ve been bitching at me ever since. Guess what, since you’ve decided to try and irritate me (which isn’t really working btw) by ’o’ing all my posts, you look like the asshole, not me. So please, keep it up douche bag.
And you didn’t even need any help on the whole douche bag front. Going around and calling people names because they didn’t agree with you. At least when I don’t agree with someone I bring actual arguments to the table, albeit in a harsh fashion. You just call people things like ‘douche canoe’ and throw fits. What are you? 13?
And you claim to be some journalist/editor and yet you’ve never provided anything constructive to this site, ever. You even ripped some high school senior with English 101 stuff. So congrats, you understand English 101, you’re an asshole and a liar. And if you are some type of a journalist its probably for some rinky dink project that no one reads because its worthless.
Here’s a suggestion for you, grow up.
You set up a whole thread to bait people into arguing with you about a subject your researched in advance. If it looks like a douche, waddles like a douche and quacks like douche, it must be a douche.
Here, I’ll end this poor little argument of yours right now.
Brandon Harris=Ellis Hobbs=Lito Shepperd.
Brandon Harris sucks.
He’s a smaller, slower, version of Asante
He’s Lito Sheppard’s impostor he’s so shitty.
All Harris does is try to jump routes
He hits big or he misses big.. I’d rather have somebody who we can lock down their side of the field.
Brandon Harris has gotten torched by bigger WR’s(see bowl game where Michael Floyd had 3 tds in the first half). I thought Jimmy Smith did a good job containing A J Green early in the season. I think Brandon Harris is the next Lito Shepperd
Dude, I’ve seen a lot of Brandon Harris..
he’s Lito Sheppard post-asante signing.
IMHO – Brandon Harris is the Freddie Mitchell of CBs.
nice comparison..
I think of him as a shitty version of Lito Sheppard.
Also, you picked a guy who IMO is one of the most overrated players in the draft. He is an atrocious tackler and missed a ton of easy tackles. He also seemed to have a slower reaction time than Corners like Jimmy Smith Aaron Williams who he is the same group with.
This guy has Asante like tackling skills and has nowhere near as good ball skills. I think he is the fifth best corner back which sometimes is a first rounder but if you want to go corner IMO aaron williams is better
I’d be pissed beyond pissed if we settled on Brandon Harris as our solution at CB. Highly touted coming into Miami, never lived up to the billing IMO.
And he’s smallish; may have helped in run-support in college. … In the NFL he’s got victim written all over him.
Brandon Harris is so overrated
Birds’n’Raiders agreed.
And he looked like shit against Notre Dame
If we go Harris in the first round
I will drink all of these and go after Roseman and Reid like they were wearing a Patterson jersey
And that is just from when I searched Brandon Harris using the search tool. It is now safe to say I didn’t pull this out of no where and it is all safe to say that you can go ahead and shut up now.
Oh and I didn’t create this thread to bait people, I created this thread to reign in the Brandon Harris hate so that it became realistic again instead of this wild “WTF” crap people were saying.
And yeah, I did research the topic I was writing about, that’s kind of what you do. Did you want me to come in here and say “I really have no idea what I’m talking about but I really think Brandon Harris is better than some of you are making him out to be. Thoughts?” That would be dumb as hell and a waste of my time and other peoples time. As a writer you tend to want to know what you’re writing about and I think a journalist/editor like you would know that. ;)
Oh and for future reference, I would review your logical fallacies because you keep accusing me of making them when in reality I haven’t. In fact, you’re the one committing the logical fallacy, its called ad hominem.
If it looks like a douche, waddles like a douche and quacks like douche, it must be a douche.
Agreed. You’re a douche.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 16, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Alright, this is starting to get really pathetic
Would one of you grow up and ignore a comment for once? Internet flaming like a pair of 12 year old girls isn’t gonna solve anything.
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Have one. No need to take a walk. Thanks though.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Reply harder,
and you will win. Ignore or offhandedly discount anything that doesn’t agree with your position, and you will dominate. Turn issues of opinion into battles of ‘fact’, and you will become Mr. Go Go Internet Warrior.
Check the timestamps for ad hominem.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
You have a point too...
I think he just comes off strong but doesn’t really mean anything by it. I’ve had a few back and forths with him, and he’s really gone after me in the past, but even if he is right or wrong, he tries to back up his arguments. He actually just makes me work harder to put up my side of the argument, but he can come off as aggressive or attacking. At the end of the day we just agree to disagree.
Here AZ Eagle is also trying to offer up some constructive / positive critcism:
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
by Eagladelphia on Mar 16, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You set up your whole “o comment on d jacks stuff no matter what” to bait him into arguing with you If it looks like a douche, waddles like a douche and quacks like douche, it must be a douche
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"Do you know where we are going?" she said.
"To solve the mystery of the eternal hereafter, I imagine," I replied.
-- _The Gods of Mars_
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company
by Udalango on Mar 16, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You have to look at both sides of the problem, not just one.
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
by Eagladelphia on Mar 16, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
good thing i looked at bth then
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"Do you know where we are going?" she said.
"To solve the mystery of the eternal hereafter, I imagine," I replied.
-- _The Gods of Mars_
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company
Hey, how's it going bud..
long time no talk…
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
by Eagladelphia on Mar 17, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you saying he that got baited into an argument in a post he started to bait people into arguments?
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
you know exactly what your doing here
dont you play innocent if your going to be a douche at least own it. Djack has said multiple times he is kinda a douche sometimes
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"Do you know where we are going?" she said.
"To solve the mystery of the eternal hereafter, I imagine," I replied.
-- _The Gods of Mars_
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company
by Udalango on Mar 17, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So, I’m a douche for being a dick to a douche?
Does that make you a douche for calling me a douche?
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
KByars
I see both of your perspectives, but is there an end in sight ? Or can there a resolution ?
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
by Eagladelphia on Mar 17, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You know what Eagladelphia
In honor of your sober-minded return, I’ll squash it on my end.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I know right
I wish I wouldn’t have deleted my earlier posts so I could at least compare the difference between then and now. JasonB talked some sense into me, so I gotta give him some props for that.
But I’m glad this is over, so we can focus on what’s important, daaa Birds. I think it’s squashed from the other side too.
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
by Eagladelphia on Mar 17, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa asshole,
I stuck up for you.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Actually I think I was one of like 2 people to do so.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Actually, you and a lot of other people tried to help at different points..
I was just taking everything too personally and making it a personal thing, a lot of that had to do with being new to sports blogging and so forth. We went at it a few times and you tried to help a few times as well, it’s all a blur, I have such bad memory, that’s why if I had the posts I would remember what I said, but that’s all done now, it’s a new beginning.
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
by Eagladelphia on Mar 18, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL yeah,
I mean we argued but I didn’t let it carry from one thread to the next… Like Bwestfactor and I will have our battles, on one thread, then in the next we’re fine lol.
it’s just how it is.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
I tried too
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
by Mr.electric10 on Mar 18, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You did electric...
It’s all good, I was a part of the problem…
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
by Eagladelphia on Mar 18, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh, what's wrong
No use for such strong language, are you misinterpreting something I said ?
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
by Eagladelphia on Mar 18, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
lol no it makes me right. Im not being at all douchey in the way im telling you this
I dont exactly understand what your end game in this whole thing is. But if it provides you amusement by all means keep going.
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"Do you know where we are going?" she said.
"To solve the mystery of the eternal hereafter, I imagine," I replied.
-- _The Gods of Mars_
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company
Dude, your knowledge of douches must be firsthand.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
by wild_eagle on Mar 17, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
o
O, look at KByars the douche bag.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that is not the point of o there pal
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"Do you know where we are going?" she said.
"To solve the mystery of the eternal hereafter, I imagine," I replied.
-- _The Gods of Mars_
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company
No, d-jack is right, there have been a considerable amount of people who were skeptical of Brandon Harris prior to the creation of this thread. You really need to get over that argument you two had…
"You don't call retarded people retards. It's bad taste. You call your friends retards when they're acting retarded." - Michael Scott
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Mar 15, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya, it was totally out of hand.
So, are you DJack’s second account or just some creepy internet dude who’s trying to fuck him?
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Wow. Stay classy.
"You don't call retarded people retards. It's bad taste. You call your friends retards when they're acting retarded." - Michael Scott
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Mar 15, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
… you’re cool.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude,
Harris isn’t a 1st round type guy.. If he’s there in the late 2nd and we havent addressed the position yet then I say maybe.
I seriously think he’ll be Lito post-Asante signing.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Harris isn’t a 1st round type guy.
I seriously think he’ll be Lito post-Asante signing.
Why? What has led you to believe these things?
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
I've seen Harris play a lot. I'm not impressed. I think you're in love with a highlight
film, not what he really is. We need somebody with shut down ability, not another gambler.
And just because he hit in college a little doesn’t mean he will in the NFL, look at Asante.
Honestly I think he’s going to be a Lito Sheppard type. He’ll have 2-3 good years, then we’ll be looking for a replacement..
If it comes down between Harris and Carimi, Pouncey, or another OLman, I’d rather take the OLman and just go with Lindley.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Also I'd rather have Williams over Harris.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
I disagree.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That's cool, we're just not going to see eye to eye on this.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
I’m not trying to get you to change your opinion, I just want to know why you think the things you do about Brandon Harris. You keep saying things but you never provide any reasoning or evidence to support it. I’m really not trying to bash you over the head and make you like Brandon Harris, I just want legitimate reasons and logic as to why you don’t.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Honestly
I don’t like Harris because he reminds me of Sheppard… I loved Sheppard, but to be honest he only had 3 years where he was a very good CB… Harris and Sheppard are of the same mold, they have similar playing styles, and I think Sheppard was more talented than Harris is.
I’d rather have Prince, PP, Smith, then Williams…
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
This is what I’m getting from you, you want a big corner and not a small corner. Am I interpreting you correctly? I can respect that, my problem with the whole size argument arises when people say Harris is too small to succeed but I can’t definitely see the point of view that someone just wants a bigger corner.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
No.
I want a bigger CB who is a bully, one who can take care of the Kenny Britt’s, Sydney Rice’s, and Larry Fitzgerald’s of the NFL while also being able to stop the Desean Jackson’s, Devin Hester’s, and Senorince Moss’s of the NFL..
Guys who fit this bill in the draft are Prince, PP and Smith. I think Williams has that ability but he needs to develop a little..
And I didn’t knock Harris’s size in that last comment, you’re the one who thinks everybody just hates him for his size.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Also I've said if he's there in the 2nd and other needs are filled like OG and LB then I'm for taking
him.. I just think his ceiling’s low.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
So yes. You said no and then explained the opposite, you want a big corner.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 17, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No.. Doesn't have to be big.
Needs to be Physical.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
I was thinking about the Giants steve smith.. I always get him and moss
mixed up.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Was that list in order?
Are you saying you would draft Prince before Peterson? Just curious.
I-C-Y-U-H8-ME
No,
I meant to change the order, I was gonna say “I’d rather have Prince, PP, Smith OR Williams”
but then I made it “then williams” and didn’t swap PP and prince lol.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
I’ve watched entire games of Harris, you see the highlight tape against Pitt? I made that. So please don’t tell me I’m falling in love with a highlight reel.
And he isn’t a gambler, once again, can you provide me with any evidence of this? Anyone who agrees with you?
And he doesn’t ‘hit a little’, he supports the run very well for a cornerback.
And you keep saying that but you never say why. What parallels do you see between Lito and Brandon Harris that makes you think “They’re going to work out exactly the same way”?
You keep saying these things but you never provide any of the reasoning or logic behind them, no evidence, no nothing, you just sort of blurt it out there.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright,
so what? You see a good CB as something completely different than I do. I don’t see Harris as a shut down guy, I don’t see him as a 1st round type talent. In the 2nd I’d say yeah go ahead.
Harris is a gambler, I’ve seen him jump routes and miss just as many times as he’s jumped them and gotten the INT. I mean if I had hours to obtain, edit and produce a video showing this I would but I don’t have that time to devote to that.
Like I said, Asante was good in run support at UCF. But he doesn’t hit much anymore (although he did step it up last year).. Harris is a willing tackler, I’ll say that about him.
Lito was a small CB who gambled, that’s what I see in Harris. Harris could be successful, he could be nothing. It’s just my opinion that he’s going to be nothing.
You can get as pissy as you’d like about it, I have my logic, I’ve seen many Miami games, I’ve seen enough to make my conclusion of him.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
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Very informative post
I think it comes down to his 5’9’’ frame. Most don’t like that. I don’t think that Harris is a scrub, but he isn’t my favorite prospect. However, I think he is worth a late 1st early second. Again, very informative rec.
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"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
Anyone
that isn’t crippled is better than we had out there last year. Dimitri was awful! Blogs can be a stream of misinformation due to people picking and choosing the information to support their opinion. This was a very informative. REC
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
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by MightyJoeBanner on Mar 15, 2011 7:30 AM EDT reply actions
Also, lets keep in mind that Eric Allen was 5’10" and Ronde Barber is 5’9", and if we had a CB as good as they have been we wouldn’t be complaining. I’m not trying to compare their abilities to Harris’ ability, just providing more evidence that short CBs can be good.
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Ok here's a question
What kind of hands did Eric allen and Rhonde have?That’s my biggest beef with Harris . Bad hands.
by Saidrick on Mar 15, 2011 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t really care at CB. Interceptions are great, but you don’t see people touting Nnnamdi’s INT numbers. I’d rather have the guy who knocks down every ball then the one who intercepts some and whiffs on others.
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Nice dodge
But you haven’t justified your comparison.
by Saidrick on Mar 15, 2011 10:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A cornerbacks primary job is to cover his man, not get interceptions.
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by d-jackfan10 on Mar 15, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That's funny
Because the guys you mention had a ton of ints in their careers . 54 for Allen and 40 for barber( barber would have more but he blitz a lot , 20 sacks). So now their good even though they’re short but they’re good at something that is not their primary duty?
by Saidrick on Mar 16, 2011 4:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So if interceptions mean you’re a good cornerback then I guess Deangelo Hall is one of the best corners in football.
The corners primary job is to cover their man, not create interceptions. That’s why we all regard Nnamdi as one of the best cover corners in football despite the fact that in the past 4 years he has only intercepted 3 passes.
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"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Exactly. Ronde and Allen weren’t great because they made interceptions, they were great because they didn’t allow catches. INTs are great, but if each of those INTs was a pass-defended instead they would still be great CBs.
Hey, Patterson had 4 INTs last year. That’s more than Barber, Nnamdi, Revis, and Flowers — I guess we’re set at the CB position after all.
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I ' ll take deangelo all day
He is bigger than Harris, gets more picks than Harris and he is worthy of a first rd pick. Say what you want about ints but they’re one of the few tangible ways to sort out who is good and who is not. Now I do hate Harris. I hope we draft him so you can watch do nothing for us, except get out jumped in the red zone. Get beat up at the line of scrimmage, and not create turn overs for us.
by Saidrick on Mar 16, 2011 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
INTs are one of the worst ways to analyze CBs, just look at my comment right above yours. The best statistical way to look at it is # of catches allowed over # of times targeted. You’re looking for the easy way to judge CBs, the one that makes Dimitri Patterson better than Nnamdi, Revis, and Woodson combined.
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This is where we disagree
You don’t care what kind of hands a cb has. I do . You don’t care about size I do. You don’t care about ints . I do . If you don’t have those traits then you’re not 1st rd material. In my opinion
by Saidrick on Mar 16, 2011 1:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll jump in here real quick:
You are arguing a player like Nnamdi would not be worth a first round pick? I get the love for interceptions, but at some point you have to admit that it is possible to be an excellent CB without having a ton of INTs to your name.
Also this statement shows how much of a fan you really must be:
I hope we draft him so you can watch do nothing for us, except get out jumped in the red zone. Get beat up at the line of scrimmage, and not create turn overs for us.
You hope the Eagles have all kinds of failures just to prove some stranger on the internet wrong? OK then.
Nope
Yes it is possible, but it’s also possible Dixon could lead the team in int next year. As for me being a fan….really ….I boo’d when the eagles drafted Mcnabb just like every other eagles fan. I suffered through kotite. And the wr drought
by Saidrick on Mar 17, 2011 12:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Interesting:
I boo’d when the eagles drafted Mcnabb just like every other eagles fan.
The majority of Eagles fans didn’t get the memo to boo McNabb. Most Eagles fans I know were fine or even happy with the pick. But most Eagles fans I know don’t like Angelo Cataldi either.
I would say wishing the Eagles ill just to win an internet argument doesn’t show very good fandom even if you’ve suffered through everything.
Go back and watch the draft .
As for eagles failures. Wishing a particular player to fail is not the same as wishing a team to fail .
by Saidrick on Mar 17, 2011 12:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Go back and watch the draft .
As for eagles failures. Wishing a particular player to fail is not the same as wishing a team to fail . There are many niner fans that want alex smith to fail , but want their team to succeed.
by Saidrick on Mar 17, 2011 12:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wanting a player on your team to fail IS wanting your team to fail.
At least in part. If Brandon Harris becomes an Eagle and fails, it will be to the detriment of the team in some way. It may even mean costing the Eagles wins. By wishing that the Eagles draft a player that you wish to see fail, you wish ill on the Eagles.
And go back to the draft? Really? The 50 odd Eagles fans in the building represent the entirety of Eagles fans? That’s a little much. Especially when you consider that 30 of the Eagles fans that were there were there for the sole purpose of booing the pick (thanks to Cataldi). What happened at the draft was not necessarily indicative of the feelings of everyone.
Especially...
…a top five pick at QB. Stats overwhelmingly show that if you miss on a QB in the top five, you’re a loser for half a decade.
Saidrick, I have to agree with NOLA here.
1. Most Eagles fans did NOT boo the McNabb pick…you sound like the broadcasters who don’t know schitt there.
2. Wishing a player to fail, especially with the prize being you being “proved right” in an internet blog, is pretty pathetic and lacking the 1st element of what makes a fan a fan.
I-C-Y-U-H8-ME
This should end the player fail argument
Here’s a scenario where it is good for the team that the player fails: Preseason. In this situation everything I said is really good. For the team and not just the Internet feud. It will show the flaws of the player before it hurts us.
by Saidrick on Mar 17, 2011 4:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s fucking retarded.
"This is the most popular sport in America blaming its feet for insolence and cutting them off with a chainsaw to show them who's the boss in this arrangement. When it bleeds out, it will admit no regrets because those who paint themselves into corners forget that a path out ever existed."-Spencer Hall, The NFL Lockout and Taking Sides in The League's Labor Dispute
by einman77 on Mar 17, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When doesn't matter...
…it is NEVER good for a player that a team has somehow acquired, paid some amount of money, dedicated some amount of resources to, and cut at least one player to keep him on the roster.
How can any of that be good for a team? If he fails, all that is for nothing.
I-C-Y-U-H8-ME
I'm actually anxiously awaiting your answer to this part:
You are arguing a player like Nnamdi would not be worth a first round pick?
and it would be nice to get a response to this also:
You’re looking for the easy way to judge CBs, the one that makes Dimitri Patterson better than Nnamdi, Revis, and Woodson combined.
Also, I would like to say that I am NOT doubting your love of the Eagles. You must be quite passionate about them. But I would also like to ask you to please refrain from booing players on draft day because you think you know more than NFL coaches about who they should draft. It contributes to the negative stereotype of Philly fans. But that’s just a side request, I’m much more interested in you not ignoring the other parts I wrote.
NA is worth a 1st rd pick
Because of his size. This is a big ( pun intended) part of the reason I don’t like Harris. As for Patterson , at least we’ll never worry about him holding out or opting out of a contract.
by Saidrick on Mar 17, 2011 12:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Amateur hour, nolacuse and desean 10 are all the same person?
by Saidrick on Mar 17, 2011 1:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No, I just think its a consensus that you’re wrong. But you’re entitled to your opinion.
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"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Nope.
You haven’t been around (at least commenting) for that long, so it’s understandable you don’t know everyone around here yet.
Some of us just agree on some things. This happens to be one of those times.
And I guess I am getting a view of where you stand on CBs. The bigger the better OR an interception machine (or both obviously).
But what you care about and don’t is completely irrational. That’s like saying you want a really big and fast DE who has no agility. Great: he is big and can run fast in a straight line, but he can’t get past the o-line.
You want a big CB with good hands, but if he can’t cover a guy well enough to get near the ball and catch it, or get near the receiver and tackle him, then what do those traits matter? The ability to cover a defender has to be the most important trait for a CB because that’s their primary job.
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You separate things too much
The physical traits directly correlate to the ability to cover someone. You’re not getting ints unless you’re near(covering) the wr. If you’re small its a lot harder to tackle someone . We have player like Harris already and our d got blown up last year. We need better and bigger players. And yes smith can cover , he just can’t cover up a red solo cup.
by Saidrick on Mar 17, 2011 12:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
See, there’s your problem. We don’t have anybody like Harris on this team. I’m assuming you’re referring to Hobbs because of his height, and that’s just ridiculous. Riley Cooper is 6’3" 222lbs, Andre Johnson is 6’3" 225lbs. Does that mean we have a player just like Andre Johnson? Shady is 5’11" 208 lbs, Lawrence Maroney is 5’11" 220lbs and he was a bust, so we should probably cut Shady right now.
Just because a player has a similar build doesn’t mean they’re the same type of player. Plus, I’d rather have Harris than this guy.
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You are way too full of youself.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
Brandon Harris is one of my favorite prospects in the draft.
he has elite speed/agility and good instincts. that’s stuff you can never teach, and they are the basic building blocks of a shutdown corner.
short? lot’s of great corners are. bad hands? big deal, if he gets his hands on the ball he has done his main job. i have him rated as the 2nd best corner in this draft, after peterson.
i'm guessing you have amukamara ahead of him?
and maybe Jimmy Smith?
i say it goes:
1. Patrick Peterson
2. Brandon Harris
3. Jimmy Smith
4. Prince Amukamara
i do think Amukamara will be a quality starter in the NFL, but i don’t think he will ever be a shutdown corner, or a really special talent of any kind. I think the first 3 guys i listed all have a good shot at being that.
Really
Prince is the clear number 2 and I dont think its even close. Smith, Harris and IMO Williams is the next tier before another drop-off
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
by Mr.electric10 on Mar 15, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
don't like aaron williams
i’ve seen him look lost too many times to put him in the same category as Smith and Harris.
Nice
Way to discredit yourself. Things could turn out like that when it’s all said and done (in terms of NFL careers, not the draft order. No way it goes like that), but to just lay it up there without any reason is silly. That would be like a guy who goes in on the river with 2 pair knowingly against a made flush. When the last card to make a full house is pulled you gloat about how right you were. It actually makes you look less credible. This list, unexplained, is just that.
"This is the most popular sport in America blaming its feet for insolence and cutting them off with a chainsaw to show them who's the boss in this arrangement. When it bleeds out, it will admit no regrets because those who paint themselves into corners forget that a path out ever existed."-Spencer Hall, The NFL Lockout and Taking Sides in The League's Labor Dispute
unexplained?
what are you talking about, i explained myself in the last paragraph of my comment.
did you even read that?
The fact that some teams reportedly don’t even have Jimmy Smith on their draft boards due to his character concerns doesn’t factor into your ranking?
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Mar 16, 2011 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
no.
the only “character concern” i have heard so far about Jimmy Smith is that he’s cocky.
i dare you too find me a cornerback who didn’t make it in the NFL because he was too cocky.
Don’t forget that he was caught with a beer cup when he was 18! OMG I CAN NEVER FORGIVE HIM! The stuff people are knocking him for is petty.
And I’ll provide you with an example of someone who didn’t make it in the NFL because he was too cocky… Asante Samuel. Oh wait…
I’m with you on this, Jimmy is the #2 corner in this draft and I think that ultimately he becomes the best of this group.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
I don't think the beer cup is the problem.
It’s the fact that he won’t be a man about what kind of trouble he got in while at school. Just admit that you drank underage and move on, don’t be arrogant or evasive in answering questions. I operate with the assumption that every single prospect drank when they were underage. Most everyone else in college does after all. I definitely don’t hold that against a player.
i do think Amukamara will be a quality starter in the NFL, but i don’t think he will ever be a shutdown corner, or a really special talent of any kind.
YES! I’ve tried telling so many people this and everyone just disagrees. I see nothing special in Prince, I see a quality starter who in all honesty reminds me of Carlos Rogers and Quentin Jammer.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
i said the same thing over on Niners Nation a while ago
and a few people agreed.
certainly not the majority, but the list of Prince-doubters has been growing.
You and I went back and forth on this before so let’s make a friendly wager. I bet Prince will be a better cornerback than Smith. After their rookie years, loser will have “Route36/d-jackfan10 was right about Prince/Smith being better than Prince/Smith” for week in his sig. I know things could be different their second years but that would be too far ahead. Internet shake on it?
Alright. Lets do it.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
I don't really know Brandon Harris like that to hate him, but..
If you are not the top corner in the draft then I’d rather go the Nnamdi route.
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
Jimmy Smith>Brandon Harris
Jimmy Smith has about 2-4 inches depending on what site you are looking at. Harris actaully ran a slower 40 time, though Harris is a little bit faster overall. Smith is more physical and won’t be bullied by bigger recievers. When you have to face Dez Bryant twice a year, that is very important. I would rather stick it out with Dmitri one more year then draft another Lito Shepperd/Ellis Hobbs clone. The comparasions are real, not just out of hate.
by MidwesternEaglesfan on Mar 16, 2011 6:47 PM EDT reply actions
well, if the injuction is agreed upon, we've got 2-3 weeks to sign nnamdi...
& trade KK before the draft.
we might not even be looking @ a brandon harris draft spot (due to trading down, or getting a top 15 pick)
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
I say we do what we did with Sheldon and Lito and get Jimmy and Harris together to setup our tandem of the future.
Why when we have Lindley who I feel has a much better chance of being lock down
than Harris.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
After sifting through the comments on this page, theres one thing that hasnt come up that I feel is important.
Randy Shannon is AWFUL at developing players. Based on physical abilities, last years Canes team could have been one of the most loaded teams in D1. The problem is, as with almost all of Randys teams, he gets the talent together and does nothing with it. He was incapable of ‘coaching em up’.
This means that there is a pretty decent chance that Harris blossom when he gets to the pros and has a real coach to work with.
Yes but are you really willing to use a 1st rounder on a player
based upon the logic above?
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Its not as if we would be reaching on him. He is projected to go around there. As is, I think hes a late first rounder, he just has the potential to be more.
by philiafan14364 on Mar 20, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
I think he’ll be a 2nd rounder.. I’d rather have Aaron Williams than Harris… Shit even Dyke guy from Miami looks better.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Shit even Dyke guy from Miami looks better.
You are so wrong on that it is almost comical. I’ve been trying to make an effort to not just flatly tell people how wrong they are lately but holy crap W_E. You’re hate of Brandon Harris is beyond unreasonable. DeMarcus Van Dyke sucks ass and you think he is better than Harris?
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Mar 20, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No I don't really think he's better,
I’m just trying to get a rise out of you bud.
But really I don’t like Harris.. I don’t see much potential.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
Not gonna pretend I know because I don’t. I barely follow college football at all, let alone enough to make a prediction on how good a kid will be in the NFL. But I can say that I don’t have a fundamental problem with drafting a corner in the first round who isn’t huge or an interception machine.
"He wasn't an astronaut, he was a tv comedian! And he was just using space travel as a metaphor for beating his wife!"
So you don’t want a guy like Nnamdi or Revis because they don’t rack up interceptions? So you would rather have a guy like say… DeAngelo Hall over Nnamdi?
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
But I can say that I don’t have a fundamental problem with drafting a corner in the first round who isn’t huge or an interception machine.
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Hangs head in shame.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Haha, you must be having an off day. It’s the first time I’ve ever seen you do that, lol.
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That’s what happens when someone is more concerned with arguing than with what’s being discussed.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Oh no KB, I thought we were past that.
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
by Eagladelphia on Mar 21, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I was done. Djack wasn’t.
Besides it is the truth. The kid will start arguing about things without actually reading what’s being said.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Sigh
Η κόλαση δεν έχει μυστικά
"Do you know where we are going?" she said.
"To solve the mystery of the eternal hereafter, I imagine," I replied.
-- _The Gods of Mars_
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger.
-Glen Cook The Black Company
Or that’s what happens when you misread something.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Take the time to read before attacking/arguing?
I’m pretty sure that’s how our whole problem started.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Better still, give up on the attack argument style and engage in discussion.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
C’mon man, now you’re just being a douche. And I’m not being biased here, I’ve told d-jack he was a douche before. Just shut up and keep this from getting out of hand now.
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by DeSean10 on Mar 22, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
We all gotta just get along, too much infighting, we gotta save it up for the dallas and giants fans. Whatever happened, happened, i like both of your takes on things so keep it coming, even if you have to argue, argue, as long as it’s not personal attacks and just football stuff, it should be okay.
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
by Eagladelphia on Mar 22, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
That was a legit request.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I think what happens online is sometimes people read things differently then how they are meant, it’s totally understandable though, we have a hard time understanding people when we are talking to them face to face sometimes, it’s impossible to know people’s intent and tone online… I’m not sure what the solution for that is though…
Missanelli: "Is he (Reid) on the clock this year, and if doesn't win it, will you have a different viewpoint on him ?"
Banner: "I can't give you a direct answer to that question, as much as I (would) like."
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)
by Eagladelphia on Mar 22, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
stop being a douche
your provoking
"If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent." - #5
"Or if the rest of the defense if even decent then
our two Rookie safety’s don’t have to go all Ed Reed-Palamolu-Dawkins-super sayan badass mode to help us win." - W_E
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
by number5 on Mar 22, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmm,
sounds like you’re talking about yourself.
Quit being a dick, you’re not good at it.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5
by wild_eagle on Mar 22, 2011 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, I don't care if the RCB never gets an INT, as long as they shut down their side of the field..
Let them throw at Asante who’s a fucking ball hawk.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
-Awarded by Number5

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