Making Sense Of Today's Eagles Coaching Moves
by JasonB on Feb 8, 2011 9:29 PM EST
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PrintThe Eagles finalized their coaching staff today with a flurry of hirings and promotions. I only had a chance to mention it quickly earlier, so I just wanted to go over who all these guys are and how they got where they are. First, the new guys.
Johnnie Lynn, Secondary/cornerbacks coach - Spent the last 5 seasons as a secondary coach for the 49ers, prior to that he was the secondary coach for the Ravens, he also spent 6 years with the Giants, two of which were as defensive coordinator. He's also coached secondaries in Tampa Bay, an earlier stint with San Fran, and at the University of Arizona. He played seven seasons for the New York Jets. He'll work alongside Mike Zordich coaching the secondary.
Bobby April Jr, Defensive quality control coach - His name should give away the main reason he got the job... He's the son of current Eagles special teams coordinator Bobby April. That said, Jr seems perfectly qualified for the quality control job, which is certainly the most thankless of all coaching jobs. These guys really do the grunt work for the decision makers. They are there to learn. Jr has spent the last 5 years coaching in the college ranks as a special teams coordinator, safeties coach and linebackers coach.
Now, the guys that got promotions
David Culley, senior offensive assistant/wide receivers - Culley has been the Eagles WR coach since Andy Reid got there. I'm not exactly sure what if any new responsibilities come with the "senior offensive assistant" title that's been added to his name. He's already been involved in crafting gameplans for years. Back when the Eagles WRs were really bad, Culley got a lot of criticism from Eagles fans looking for someone to blame for the lack of production... Then low and behold they draft Maclin & Jackson as opposed to Pinkston and Thrash and he looks pretty smart... Garbage in garbage out my friends.
James Urban, assistant offensive coordinator - Urban spent the last two seasons as Eagles QB coach and is the one guy on the staff that could be considered a rising star. I wouldn't be surprised if he got interviews for offensive coordinator jobs next year. He's slogged his way up through the coaching system with the Eagles the hard way starting as an assistant to Andy Reid, than a quality control coach, to finally position coach.
Doug Pederson, QB coach - You all know Doug Pederson, who Andy Reid brought with him from Green Bay in 1999 to basically get beaten up while Donovan McNabb spent the first part of his rookie year on the bench learning. In all, he had a 9 year NFL career. He's spent the last couple years as an offensive quality control coach.
Duce Staley, special teams quality control coach - Former Eagles running back who is still #4 on the Eagles all time rushing list, spent last season as a coaching intern. Now he's officially been added to the staff as a special teams coach, but he'll also continue to work with the running backs as well.
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Lynn is a flashlight in a dark tunnel right now. As it stands, he is the only coach on the defensive staff with greater experience.
Washburn?
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Greater experience…..as in he was a defensive coordinator at one point. That wasn’t meant as anything against Washburn.
I got that im confused as to how
Washburns incredible resume is something that isnt “greater” than the one year Lynn had at NYG. In fact the guys at BigBlueView werent saying he was all that great as DC. Sheridin was DC for the Gints to lets get him he has “Greater exp”
Lynn is a flashlight in a dark tunnel right now
Just sounded like you were knocking Washburn. I dont see how it can be a dark tunnel with washburn there.
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"Do you know where we are going?" she said.
"To solve the mystery of the eternal hereafter, I imagine," I replied.
-- _The Gods of Mars_
I cannot conceive of gods who would give a damn about humanity’s frothy carryings-on. I mean, logically, beings of that order just wouldn’t. But maybe there is a force for greater good, created by our unconscious minds conjoined, that becomes an independent power greater than the sum of its parts. Maybe, being a mind-thing, it is not time-bound. Maybe it can see everywhere and everywhen and move pawns so that what seems to be today’s victory becomes the cornerstone of tomorrow’s defeat.
-Glen Cook The Black Company
opps two syears as DC my bad
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"Do you know where we are going?" she said.
"To solve the mystery of the eternal hereafter, I imagine," I replied.
-- _The Gods of Mars_
I cannot conceive of gods who would give a damn about humanity’s frothy carryings-on. I mean, logically, beings of that order just wouldn’t. But maybe there is a force for greater good, created by our unconscious minds conjoined, that becomes an independent power greater than the sum of its parts. Maybe, being a mind-thing, it is not time-bound. Maybe it can see everywhere and everywhen and move pawns so that what seems to be today’s victory becomes the cornerstone of tomorrow’s defeat.
-Glen Cook The Black Company
I mean it just as a voice
Washburn has an unbelievable résumé as a defensive line coach with all that he has done. But he hasn’t had to have that monkey on his back of having to coach an entire defense. I mean it like this, Juan is having to a very big job of switching from offensive line coach to defensive coordinator. Jim Washburn is there to help, but when it comes down to having someone else to go to who understands the stress of it, Lynn has more experience there. Whether he was good or not, its just the fact that because he was there makes him a valuable asset to Castillo (at least for the time being). That’s what I meant.
washburn
washburn has already publicly said before he even left the titans, he has no aspirations to be a defensive coordinator. He loves coaching the defensive line and that is what he wants to finish his career doing. Most people are undermining his relationship with Howard Mudd. Howard Mudd came out of retirement to coach with his best friend. These 2 guys are the single best things the Eagles have done so far this year. I still am not convinced on Juan Casillo. If our offensive line was giving up almost 50 sacks, how is he going to all of a sudden turn things around and coach the entire defense? I just think Winston Moss from Green Bay would have been a much better choice. Especially with all the pieces we have right now. I hope for our sake as fans, that he proves me wrong and turns out to be a heck of a coordinator. We need like 3 more players for a serious run to the big game. We were right there. I am tired of getting close every year to watch another team that you know the Eagles could have beat, lift that trophy
by Chris Gagme Buresch on Feb 9, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Ohhhhh ok my bad
that makes a ton of sense sorry man
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"Do you know where we are going?" she said.
"To solve the mystery of the eternal hereafter, I imagine," I replied.
-- _The Gods of Mars_
I cannot conceive of gods who would give a damn about humanity’s frothy carryings-on. I mean, logically, beings of that order just wouldn’t. But maybe there is a force for greater good, created by our unconscious minds conjoined, that becomes an independent power greater than the sum of its parts. Maybe, being a mind-thing, it is not time-bound. Maybe it can see everywhere and everywhen and move pawns so that what seems to be today’s victory becomes the cornerstone of tomorrow’s defeat.
-Glen Cook The Black Company
I can’t say that I know much, if anything about the young coaches (and if anyone claims to, they’re probably lying) but I like the fact that Andy has brought in some young coaches. It seems like the young coaches are fairly bright and there are some really good veteran coaches on the staff as well.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
I really don’t get all the negativity about Zordich and Caldwell. It’s fair to say that getting more experienced coaches for a first-year DC would have been a better move, but it’s not like lack of experience in a position coach is something that kills teams. People have to start somewhere.
DTMWTD
by alcatraz0109 on Feb 8, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
seth joyner
Still think they should add Seth Joyner as a defensive coach quality control intern. Get him in as an intern, this way there is no harm, he is just learning the system and Seth has already publicly said he would like to return to Eagles to begin coaching linebackers. They did it with Caldwell, as an intern, I think they should give Seth a chance. They are giving Juan a chance.
by Chris Gagme Buresch on Feb 8, 2011 10:33 PM EST reply actions
Heard that Seth could be a headcase/bad influence.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 8, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
It would be cool to see Seth take over the role Caldwell had. I think it could come down to how much he wants to work.
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Duce got FAT.
Not fat Duce
Fat Duce
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 8, 2011 10:33 PM EST reply actions
That second one is Nick Cole… Oh wait.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
who cares...
he made his millions…
you can tell that he doesn’t!
and being fat doesn’t affect his brain or affect his teachings.
Maybe we need to change his nickname.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 8, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
BTW
I can’t WAIT to see what Mudd does with the left side of the OL. If Peters showed flashes last year (arguably a consistent flash post knee surgery), he should be an absolute MONSTER under Mudd.
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Pay scale?
Any idea on the relative pay scale for these positions. I always kind of wondered what the pay/hours were for a position coach or a quality control coach.
It wouldn't shock me
If Mudd/Washburn were highest paid at their position. The others are prolly at league average or below.
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Well the average NFL defensive coordinator makes somewhere between $1-1.5 million. Marvin Lewis became the first million dollar defensive coordinator in 2002. Nick Saban reportedly had Hudson Houck on a 3 year/$2.5 million contract when he was with the Dolphins (which at that time was the second highest paid offensive line coach behind Alex Gibbs for the Falcons). From what I’ve read, the average assistant coach makes somewhere around $250,000 annually. It might be higher nowadays though, but I can’t think too much.
Million each
per year… easily
and if not, then it’s a damn shame.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 8, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
when you've been a Specialied Coach for 35 years
You don’t make the same money as the AVG.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 8, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
You didn’t get my point. Is it a “damn shame” someone who makes 500-750 grand a year instead of a million? People would do jobs 10x harder to make that much money.
gotcha.
question1: who works harder… the coach making 3 mil a year, or the player?
question2: who deserves the 3 mil a year more… the coach or the player?
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 9, 2011 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
oh, and you're right, of course
but it is what it is… the life of an employee of the World’s most lucrative sport.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 9, 2011 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
It is not about who works harder...
…it is about how difficult the job is. If there were 32 people in the country who could do it better, Mudd would be out of the NFL. If there were 5 people in the country who do it better, he would be closer to average salary.
Companies don’t pay you based on how hard you work, they pay you based on how much they want YOU to be the one doing that work.
jobs 10x harder?
How do you figure? Clearly what they do is hard, if it was easy then they wouldn’t be special.
Look, not everyone is created equal. We all have the same rights, but we don’t have equal abilities. Lets not go resenting someone for being well compensated for being the best in the world at what they do, even if what they do is in a very specialized area.
And if you think NFL coaches don’t work hard then you’re just crazy.
true strength is...
…is power through the widest range of motion possible. that means these OLmen need to improve their flexibility, particularly howard and dunlap. they need not only to be able to get low but to generate power through that entire range. the eagles’ switch to free weight training was an excellent step in this direction. i’m sure there’s plenty of plyometrics involved as well. but it’s not enough. they need to use some yoga which is the best way. and they don’t need to wear those silly leotards….
hmm...
that’s actually a really interesting point that I don’t think has been brought up before…
we did switch strength and conditioning coaches this year, and Rubin did bring in the free weight training. Never thought about how it helped the team, but kudos to raising the question…
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eff that
give em all steriods and well go 12 and 4 (because everyone is suspended for the last 4 games)
He hit him in a bad spot... the hands.
by DaaaBirdsDaBirds on Feb 9, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
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He hit him in a bad spot... the hands.
by DaaaBirdsDaBirds on Feb 10, 2011 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
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