Rumors of Gruden to Eagles "Simply Not True"
by Bob_Q on Feb 7, 2011 11:20 AM EST
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PrintWhile most of you (including myself) were watching the Super Bowl and guzzling down unhealthy snacks last night, an interesting rumor began circulating amongst the denizens of Twitter. Former Eagles fullback Kyle Eckel released posts on his Facebook and Twitter accounts stating that that former Buccaneers head coach John Gruden was in town and prepared to take over the reins as head coach of the Eagles. Then, citing unnamed sources, Ashley Zavala of NBC's KOMU-8 and Cody Benjamin of Bleed-Green.com added fuel to the fire, saying that Andy Reid was stepping down due to personal reasons and that Gruden would take over as soon as Tuesday. The story was then picked up by Bleacher Report and a number of other sites.
As one might expect, none of the Eagles beat reporters initially weighed in on the rumor, except for Les Bowen, who responded with his usual sarcasm-laden tweet. Then, as the hysteria began to build among the Eagles fanbase, the front office finally released a statement early this afternoon, saying "This was simply a rumor and there is no basis to it at all. It is simply not true."
Eckel has now come out on WIP essentially claiming responsibility for the whole fiasco, saying that he was just having some fun and that he had no idea that the rumor would become such a "wildfire."
In other words, you can relax, Eagles fans. Andy Reid will remain in Philadelphia.
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which is the exact correct thing
to say if its true, too.
Not that it is. Though reid did stay in philly while everyone else went to the senior bowl.
Chucky, vick, desean, asante… man, this team would have some very interesting personalities.
2010-11 Predictions:
Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.
Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith
Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks
11-5 finish.
by corn on the kolb on Feb 7, 2011 11:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions
You know..
I’m all against Gruden, but the backlash on Twitter is amazing.
These are reporters that believed McNabb was going to St. Louis (McLane), and a FO that has repeatedly said one thing and did another not days afterwards. Skepticism is warranted IMHO.
@philatticus on Twitter
Eagles say Jon Gruden is not coming to Philadelphia
Eagles also said Kevin Kolb was going to be their starter once he recovered from a concussion.
Eagles also said at the end of the year Sean McDermott was staying.
I don’t think this is dead just yet, although I would like to hear if Cody still believes this is going to happen.
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So basically, its happening.
Jk, everyone who is worth anything in the Philly sports area has shot it down, the Eagles shot it down and Schefter shot it down too. This is a non-story at this point.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
My guess is he had lying sources.
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http://twitter.com/#!/BleedGreen_Cody/status/34654050918072320
The Eagles have formally refuted the report, However, my sources remain confident a change will be made. I’m still looking into this thing.
@philatticus on Twitter
Beat me to it.
If this was a joke, wouldn’t the sources stop joking and lying now that the Eagles have issued a public refutation?
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lol bro you were the one going crazy on the fanshot. Quoting non-source after non-source.
Everybody told you that it wasnt true, but you didnt listen, and know that its obvious you changed our stance. ahah
I quoted sources to keep track of things not because I thought they were reputable. And you mean my belief of a rumor changed as new info came out?! Shocker! And my stance on the issue has never wavered, Andy Reid needs to stay.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Feb 7, 2011 3:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Didn’t I already answer that question?
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Hey guys. Eagles refuting report is big, but I am sticking to this for now. My sources are still confident. I mean, one confirmed Gruden was at NovaCare this weekend, and another is attempting to get in touch with Jon himself. Stay tuned.
www.bleed-green.com
Not that I am aware of, but someone I know is trying to get in touch with him or his representative.
www.bleed-green.com
Because that’d go a LONG way in clarifying things.
FWIW, you have earned my respect in sticking with your story. Good stuff.
@philatticus on Twitter
Appreciate the support. Thanks for sticking by me in this. I’m keeping on this story.
www.bleed-green.com
I think we’re getting to the point where you might have to out your sources.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Or maybe an example of their reliability…what have they called in the past that has come out to be true?
@philatticus on Twitter
I can tell you that one knew Brian Dawkins was leaving Philly four days before he actually signed with Denver.
www.bleed-green.com
In that case, let’s see what shakes out.
Will you receive word about the Gruden/Hotel thing today?
@philatticus on Twitter
If things go as planed, yes. Will keep those who haven’t already trashed and unfollowed me on Twitter updated with any additional details.
www.bleed-green.com
For the record, I’m still following, I still think this story might have legs and regardless of whether or not this falls through I’ll still follow. Not your fault if your sources are wrong.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
I am still following as well, though I do question why he has a source that none of the Eagles beat writers have?
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one confirmed Gruden was at NovaCare this weekend
I do believe this part still but I’m really don’t think we’ll ever find out why. Too many people have confirmed that Gruden was there for me not to believe it. I just think in the hysteria of seeing Gruden at NovaCare people got carried away.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Andy: “When did Facebook become a credible news source?”
Probably when Sarah Palin started posting policy on it…
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Feb 7, 2011 11:27 AM EST reply actions
I think its funny that you think Sarah Palin understands policy.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Feb 7, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think its funny you think Sarah Palin understands anything
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham
by immynimmy on Feb 7, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Touche my good man, touche.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
i actually lol'd
Well played, all 3 of you.
2010-11 Predictions:
Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.
Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith
Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks
11-5 finish.
by corn on the kolb on Feb 7, 2011 2:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Whoa now...
Let me be clear on something before you so ruthlessly besmirch my good name. I in no way meant to imply that she understood policy. Words can hurt d-jackfan10… words can hurt.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Feb 7, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Kyle god damn Eckel. Eff you!
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Sorry
but duh. Theres no way this was ever true. Not even a chance. I read about it, laughed, and went to bed.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
by David_K on Feb 7, 2011 11:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Credit Cody for sticking to his guns
The Eagles have formally refuted the report, However, my sources remain confident a change will be made. I’m still looking into this thing.
But I do think he is fighting a uphill battle at this point.
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And by uphill you mean he is basically fighting gravity.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Feb 7, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much, yeah.
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If he wanted to save face, I think he would have acknowledged this “source” was joking/lying and moved on from there. I don’t think dragging it out is saving face.
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Beat ya ;)
I don’t know what to believe, but I feel bad for the guy if the sources are just pulling his leg.
@philatticus on Twitter
That I do.
This guy works for two newspapers and his site has always been respected.
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he has nothing to lose. If he’s right, he’s the only one that can say they knew it all along. If he’s wrong, then it’s his sources fault.
He works for two newspapers, though. He writes a respected blog. He is not some Joe-Somebody. Reputation counts for something.
What I am interested in is why Kyle Eckel went on WIP and said it was a “joke.” Or why he would make such a joke to begin with.
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He said on twitter it was hearsay, and not to take him as the source.
If that’s really him on twitter, then it kinda conflicts with the joke thing, at least in a courtroom lol
@philatticus on Twitter
If that’s really him on twitter
Yep. Keep in mind that’s an unverified account with 42 followers.
"I like prime rib and I'd love to win a Super Bowl. I'm hungry for both of them." -Andy Reid
Not that I was ever commenting on this report because Kyle Eckel said something (I had seriously forgotten about him before yesterday), but I am not just not sure what his motivation for a joke would be. Is he a big jokester or a prank puller?
Maybe he is back-tracking because he let a cat out of the bag. Maybe he is saving face because something he thought was true turned out not to be. Or maybe it’s a fake as pointed out above.
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DO NOT WANT!
While in Tampa, Gruden took a perennial playoff team created by a different coach to the next step… he gets all the credit, and everyone seems to forget that he then proceeded drive them into the ground, only now are they finally coming back from that blackout.. They may have peaked with him, but after that first year they dove off a cliff.
^^
i agree with this. no thanks to Gruden. he won with Dungy’s left overs and then played musical QBs and ran the team into the ground.
Stupid argument
For one, Gruden had already built his own Super Bowl contender from nothing in Oakland (in fact, he defeated that team the very next year in the Super Bowl). So if you’re giving Tony credit for Gruden’s success, who gets credit for the success of the Raiders?
Second, Gruden did not “run TB into the ground”. He squeezed playoff berths out of them with very little talent. He had some bad seasons, but he didn’t have the best personnel and TB had very few draft picks during that time as well.
I’d rather have Andy too, but to insinuate that Gruden is anything but a very good football coach is wrong.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Ashley Zavala...
is apparently an actual reporter, with that, she should be fired. She won’t, but she should.
If this turns out to be false, which it seems like it will then this reporter went on record citing sources who never existed since Eckel made the whole thing up. This is the kind of bogus reporting that has become all to common these days thanks to things like Twitter. You almost don’t have to do any real work to put a story out there. It would have been one thing if she just retweeted what others were saying but she actually said that she heard from sources, and then said she heard from more sources that this was all going down. Either she is a total liar, or she doesn’t do her homework and check any of these sources out, both of which are bad, and both of which should lead to her getting fired.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
If that's the standard...
…McLane should have been fired months ago.
@philatticus on Twitter
Honestly...
I don’t read much from McLane, not for any specific reasons or anything.
But if reporters are just going to say shit without confirming anything then they are frauds, simple as that.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
He did that.
McNabb to St. Louis, the Atogwe nonsense…
@philatticus on Twitter
Breaking news!!!!
Tony Dungey called his sister’s friends cousin who lives just outside Philly and told him that he is coming to see his god-daughter. Could he be having a secret meeting with Mr Laurie about the Eagles head coaching position…. All signs point to yes it looks like Andys days are numbered.
by Phourth_Horseman on Feb 7, 2011 11:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This is absolutely crazy
You really have to have faith in your sources… they can potentially ruin your career because you trust them…
good luck Cody.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
Haha, the reactions last night on that fanshot was hilarious. I was sure D-jackfan was going to commit suicide before knowing the facts.
Bro, I was ready to kill something. I was LIVID. Kyle Eckel, meet John Clayton at the end of the line of people I no longer trust.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Why would you even believe that?
That is so absurd. This whole thing is. It would be crazier than anything the Eagles have ever done. Makes no sense.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
there's no way this is as absurd initially as the Juan Castillo move.
If Andy does, in fact, have something going on in his personal life, why would it be so crazy as to have Gruden come in to HC?
/speculation on the speculation
The whole way this broke, though, is highly suspect.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Expect the absurd
- Sign Michael Vick
- Deal McNabb. To a division rival
- Promote our O-Line coach to D Coordinator
My first reaction when I saw all those moves was of utter shock. I guess there’s nothing the FO makes now should surprise us.
I was in shock too
but from the very second this leaked, it had ‘garbage’ written all over it. I’m not gullible enough to even react to something like this. A coach who just rebuilt his staff who is loved by everyone gets replaced by a football announcer who might want to come back to football? No way.
"I don’t know whether I prefer Astroturf to grass. I never smoked Astroturf." - Joe Namath
Kyle Eckel is so god damn shady. Last night he was acting like he had a real story and that something huge was a bout to drop and this morning his whole demeanor changed and he was all apologetic. Someone got to Kyle Eckel and told him to STFU.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
I can see that
Remember, he’s basically a 3rd string FB. He needs a job, and shit like this precludes that.
@philatticus on Twitter
Who's to say though....
Like really who knows? Mayeb Reid is sick or something…..why is this so farfetched?
FLY #7 FLY !!!
It's not
And that’s why we’re still discussing it.
It’s far less farfetched than the OL to DC.
@philatticus on Twitter
I’m just finding out about this so I’m coming to this late since I wasn’t around a computer last night but why would anybody believe Kyle Eckel? He’s fucking retarded if he thought people weren’t going to respond to it, and if you still think it will happen then you’re more retarded then Kyle Eckel. Why would the Eagles fire Reid after he has made all these changes? If they were going to do it they would of done it after the Green Bay game.
Gruden and Reid are friends maybe they wanted to talk about football or something? Gruden is friends with Chip Kelly and goes to Oregon football practices all the time I guess that means he is going to be the next head coach of the Oregon Ducks?
I think the fact that sources independent of Kyle Eckel were saying the same thing is what got people talking.
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But I can assure you. At least one of my sources did not base his information on Eckel’s post. He personally knows someone close to Gruden’s rep, and is attempting to get in touch. He said that someone had asked Gruden whether he was in Philly for a coaching job, and that he simply replied “Yes.”
www.bleed-green.com
EvilGruden? Nah….
If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
-Ricky Bobby
by GreenInBaltimore on Feb 7, 2011 12:12 PM EST reply actions
The amazing thing is...
that people actually follow Eckel on FB and Twitter to begin with.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
by EREX21 on Feb 7, 2011 12:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Now that is amazing.
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HAHAAHHA…. how sad.. you mean to tell me i can’t call this guy an idiot for being a liar but it’s perfectly fine for you guys to shit talk people 24/7?
it's not that i hate Kolb, i just think he SUCKS.
Yup
Pretty much.
@philatticus on Twitter
Yeah, pretty much.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
“This guy” works for two newspapers and has real sources. If he is lying, it is because he is being lied to.
Is Paul Holmgren really bad at managing the salary cap? Does Matt Stairs enjoy getting his ass hammered by guys?
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Grudenism unintentional.
Is Paul Holmgren really bad at managing the salary cap? Does Matt Stairs enjoy getting his ass hammered by guys?
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he's a reporter who doesn't post bullshit
his sources may be misleading him… but everyone likes him here.
but you do have a point.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Someone close to one of my sources said Jon Gruden was asked whether he was in Philly for a coaching job. His answer? “Yes.” via http://twitter.com/BleedGreen_Cody
He did write the same thing yesterday on his blog. Unless he got him to say it again, this part is old news. But, still very relevant.
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PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE!!!
"Solace these balls. They better get their guy and he better make a good impression in 2011."--mvict responding to JasonB's comparison of the Eagles to the Bengals
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
About damn time you showed up.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck!
If this happens, it will be one of my happiest moments as an Eagles fan…PLEASE GOD
"Solace these balls. They better get their guy and he better make a good impression in 2011."--mvict responding to JasonB's comparison of the Eagles to the Bengals
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
>:(
No.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
I want it to be true too. I just find it hard to believe, but hey, maybe it’s a late christmas mirical?
Samesis
Empirical evidence that God actually does exist...
"Solace these balls. They better get their guy and he better make a good impression in 2011."--mvict responding to JasonB's comparison of the Eagles to the Bengals
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
I actually don’t get the love for Fat Andy. He’s been pretty aveage for a few years now. And I think a new face would help.
Samesis
People who love him are dumb.
"Solace these balls. They better get their guy and he better make a good impression in 2011."--mvict responding to JasonB's comparison of the Eagles to the Bengals
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
Andy Reid was named head coach when I was 9 years old. I have vague memories of Ray Rhodes (including being at the Vet for the 38-0 thrashing by Seattle on opening day in 1998), but Reid is mostly it for me. And I think that’s why I have somewhat of a connection with him. If this is true, how I will see him a year or two down the road may or may not be the same as I see him now
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He’s been pretty aveage for a few years now
Most wins in the last decade I think (or second to Bill)
Apparently you don’t know the definition of Average
FLY #7 FLY !!!
+1
He’s a very good and consistent HC.
@philatticus on Twitter
He certainly is consistent...
"Solace these balls. They better get their guy and he better make a good impression in 2011."--mvict responding to JasonB's comparison of the Eagles to the Bengals
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
lol EB
Bill Cowher comparisons anyone?
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
the eagles organization could be downplaying this because they havent got a concrete deal in place or they are hiring him for one of the defensive coach positions what do yall think?
Or...
Rooney Rule.
@philatticus on Twitter
Rooney Rule is probably the easiest obstacle to take care.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
It might be...
Be it still must be taken care of. You can’t just anoint a head coach (anymore).
@philatticus on Twitter
They may already satisfied it with Castillo.
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they "mislead" on regular basis.
I’m just waiting for this to conclude… and Cody’s my guy until that happens.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
So was Castillo.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
I think you were waiting for someone to bring that up.
But there is still a difference. Gruden is an established offensive head coach. Castillo, evidently, always wanted to work on the defensive side of the ball.
Juan Castillo… Jk.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
New DB coach FTW!
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lol we're heating this thing back up again-
even though EVERYONE has said no (Including the Eagles)
like i said earlier, Good luck Cody
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
Honestly, the Eagles saying no has about as much credibility anymore as Eckel saying yes.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
i know
the only reason i included that was because last night we had no one except Les Bowen say no…
this morning brought the Eagles, Scheft, PFT, etc… all saying no.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
True. It does seem like more “credible” sources are saying no than yes.
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last night was anarchy
people were ready to hang themselves and maul kyle eckel
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
If this turns out to be false, then Eckel deserves it.
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why just Eckel? why not the people who apparently “have sources”
it's not that i hate Kolb, i just think he SUCKS.
another truth
and here’s why.
you may be a journalist who has reliable and credible sources… but you choose to run with the story and either sink or swim.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
HAHAAHHA…. how sad.. you mean to tell me i can’t call this guy an idiot for being a liar but it’s perfectly fine for you guys to shit talk people 24/7?
you really banned me for asking that question?? terrible.
it's not that i hate Kolb, i just think he SUCKS.
sweet comment
you’re not banned.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Cody is not lying. Like I said, if this is wrong, it is because Cody is being lied to by people he trusts, not because Cody is a humorist making pranking us.
/And if this is a prank, way to go Cody. You obviously got me.
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Now like i was saying.
friend or not, you guys bash anyone who gets a breaking news report wrong. how does it make him any different?
it's not that i hate Kolb, i just think he SUCKS.
He’s a legit reporter.
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what about the girl that you guys also said was a reporter and deserves to be canned if this is fake?
it's not that i hate Kolb, i just think he SUCKS.
She didn’t cite any sources. She just said, sources. I could go on Twitter and do that.
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the reporters butt is on the line, not the sources. so if this ends up a big lie/fake whatever you want to call it. it’s on him, not the sources. he chose to believe it, he chose to report it.
it's not that i hate Kolb, i just think he SUCKS.
+1
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
you bet.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
it said “you are banned from bleedinggreennation you can read but not participate” i guess he took it off, but still.
it's not that i hate Kolb, i just think he SUCKS.
and I’m sure if you don’t stop being an asshat you will be banned again, for good.
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it doesn’t matter to me either way now. if i can’t call someone out on posting fake crap or i’ll get banned because you “like him” it doesn’t matter.
it's not that i hate Kolb, i just think he SUCKS.
He isn’t posting fake crap, he has sources and is trying to do his job. Like I said, patience is needed here, the real story isn’t out yet. We don’t really need to you here attacking him.
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I like your signature.
It is true.
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Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
I think we need to wait it out, remember the Cliff Lee scenario? Wait it out people. Reuben Frank denied the Cliff Lee rumors along with others in the media. Patience.
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I will write the happiest fanpost ever.
It will begin with the words,
“Dearest Jon, we have always loved you.”
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I've never been AR's biggest supporter
but I really don’t want Gruden.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Same here.
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if this thing does end up to be true
hopefully gruden learned from his past mistakes and can adjust.
just sayin.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Jon Gruden is the kind of guy you bring in when you want to put a team over the edge. Great motivator. Good coach. Bad personnel evaluator.
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that's why GMs have jobs, correct?
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with that.
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I would think
That they would give the full GM job to Howie though. The only way it wouldnt work out is if Gruden didnt accept it that way….
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That is one of my hangups with this...
Suppose Gruden does become the GM, then where does Reid go? They have Banner as President and Roseman as GM. Are they going to create a new position for Andy? VP to Banner? Who knows.
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Well my view is that ...
The whole reason Gruden would be in town is that something may be wrong (health wise) with Reid or something…..so he would be out for good….
Otherwise I dont know…
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Thats not
hard to imagine. Look at how much weight the man’s put on since he became HC. His body is a freaking death sentence.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Plausible.
If the guy isn’t a diabetic yet he is certainly on the fast track to becoming one.
If and when he does leave the game I hope he is able to get his health in order.
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we wouldnt hire him then
separation of church and state
separation of executive judicial and legislative branches…
separation of GM/Coaching duties and responsibilities!
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
None of those things are related to another one except that they have the word “separation” in each.
hahah!
What are “all things that should be separate for the betterment of life as we know it”
/clarification
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I think I can accept Gruden as head coach, but I don’t want him to have any GM/personnel control like Reid does now. I think that is where he ultimately failed in Tampa.
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is reid going to be in FO if this happens?
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use the reply function dude
DTMWTD
by alcatraz0109 on Feb 7, 2011 1:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Question:
How many Head Coaches have won Superbowls with two different teams?
0
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How many coaches have won Super Bowls with the Eagles?
0
Hey, same number.
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by Dylan Marck on Feb 7, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Challenge
Accepted
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Was there a point to your question or were you just curious?
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ya there was
just because someone has won a SB, doesn’t mean they are going to come in and win one for you.
by Phillyrampage on Feb 7, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. I also think Gruden’s Super Bowl win should be notated that he did so with a team put together by someone else. Exactly like Jim Caldwell and Barry Switzer, to name a few.
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So if Callahan won...
Same thing, right? Just checking ;).
I totally get your point, but let’s not forget he built the SB team on the other side.
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But he didn't win.
And had he done so, then yes it would have been the same thing. But then Gruden would not have won, thus it would never come up for discussion.
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No I understand
The point remains that he built that SB team, and got over the hump with another built team. Thus, he can build a team that at least plays in the SB, and can take one of those teams to the promised land.
May not be the same team, however.
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One could argue
That this team is only a motivator away from winning the SB….you know if they upgrade OL and Defense like we expect them to….
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Probably as good an argument as any.
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we did just get
Washburn and Mudd
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R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Here is another interesting thought...
If Reid does indeed have to leave for unrelated football reasons….Why would they just not promote Marty? Because they couldnt replace him afterwards?
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Maybe You're Right
and they are going to promote Marty, which is why he hasn’t left. Then Gruden could be interviewing for the OC job.
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R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
do you see Marty as Head Coach and Gruden as Offensive Coordinator?
I tried really hard but i just can’t!
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
did you see Castillo as the defensive coordinator?
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R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
lol
silly but true!
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
it's because we love them so much
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I also have no idea why I said Jim Caldwell…he hasn’t done shit.
I blame it on the afternoon wall and not having eaten yet.
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The Kyle Eckel Twitter account requested to DM Cody on Twitter. Now whether or not he wants to tell Cody to “give it up dude, this is a fake, I just talked to my old friend Andy Reid, this is all B.S.” or to tell to say something else in regards to the rumor, who knows.
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what does DM mean?
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RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Direct Message
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Dick Muffin
Jason Peters: Heart of a Lion, Face of a Chipmunk.
by DickMuffin on Feb 7, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent.
"beat the man in front of you, then attempt to seriously injure the quarterback."
"Reidtard" for president!!!!
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
how do you know?
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Link.
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think he's gonna do it?
i’m dying to know the Eckel piece of this puzzle…
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’d like to know exactly what he knows and doesn’t know as well, just because it is so random. I mean, really. This is Kyle Eckel.
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exactly.
after he asked Cody to friend him for the DM, an hour later Eckel posted the following:
KyleEckel Kyle Eckel
by Ralf_E_Chubbs
Lil clarification. Me and the guys heard the rumor THEN I reached out via facebook for a lil back n’ forth with my followers. Careless of me
i wonder what was said…
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Who are “the guys?” So wait a minute, it was at first he said it was a joke, now he is saying it was careless?
I think someone told Kyle to “shut up.”
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why though?
it’s not his fault people picked up his words and ran with them…
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
FWIW Gruden was in Dallas this morning on set for ESPN.
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Must
Have a wormhole.
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and he was in Philly yesterday, its what a 5 hour flight on a jet
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R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
LMAO WHY
would andy reid make all these coaching changes then step down/get let go? that would simply never happen the head coach gets to choose his assistant coaches…
http://twitter.com/#!/PHIsportsspace/status/34683452586459137
Writer Scott Ciglinsky: "Eckel did not start the Gruden rumor. He sent me a text b4 he FB it. I saw Zavala already tweeted it @kyleeckel
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I don't get the Eckel angle
What’s his play in all this?
How the fuck do you find something like that out, if you’re a nobody in the NFL?
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
We do have some Eagles coaching news.......
#Eagles promote Mike Caldwell and Mike Zordich as LB and DB coaches.
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Link fail. Tried to re-post, and it still would not work.
Multiple people are reporting this, though. Caldwell is LB coach. Zordich is DB coach. No surprise here.
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Does Gruden know about it?
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yes
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R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Those could have been one comment
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
have we even established that Gruden was/was not in Philly yesterday/last night?
was he in Dallas the whole time? was he doing Commentary all night?
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
I just spoke to someone who did watch ESPN and they said they do not recall seeing Gruden on there last night. He was supposed to be on their pre-game show (and likely would have been on their post-game). Also of note, his partner Jaws was not on ESPN last night either. Maybe he that just was not his scheduled time to be on ESPN. For whatever bizarre reason.
Now it is feasible that even if he was on their pre-game show until 2:00, caught a flight to Philadelphia in time to be in Philly at the time the rumor broke.
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yay!
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Correction
He may have been on the pre-game show. I am talking strictly post-game that my friend did not see him.
But like I said, it is feasible that he could have been on ESPN until 2, and flown to Philadelphia that afternoon and be there at the time the rumors broke.
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Multiple people tell me Gruden was in Philadelphia over the weekend and is still there. Several say he was definitely at NovaCare.
www.bleed-green.com
Well if your sources say he is still there and they are the same sources you have used all along then I have a serious issue with that. Gruden was in Dallas this morning. So unless he was in Philly, flew to Dallas to be on ESPN for a few minutes and then flew back, something is off here.
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Here is a source firmly placing Gruden in Dallas as late as Sunday morning.
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But it’s like I said, he could have been in Dallas Sunday morning with ESPN and reasonably have been in Philly at the time Cody and Kyle Eckel started the rumor.
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Here’s a video of Gruden at the NovaCare complex.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/
by JimmyK on Feb 7, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
worse link
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I didn’t need to see that…..
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I will not click that link. Can’t fool me!
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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 7, 2011 3:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Your day is now better for it.
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At least you know coming from a moderator it's not
tubgirl or meatspin or i love the fishes or whatever other meme pages are out there these days
by SuburbanElite on Feb 7, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
jarsquatter
by far is the most disturbing.
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by goodfella46er on Feb 7, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Crap! Why is Twitter doing this to me today?
Let’s try this again. A source placing Gruden in Dallas as late as Sunday morning. The guy tweeting this is a senior producer at ESPN.
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This kingmcnabb5/bleed_green guy is in a win-win situation either way.
He took a rumor that has 1 in 100000 chance of happening and claimed it to be his own. If it really happens, then great everyone will be praising him till the season starts and hes got his publicity.
If it doesnt he still drawn a ton of attention to him, his twitter, and his blog.
I dont know, but it seems like this guy just runs a blog, and is hoping that this is his brak through story. I seriously doubt he has ANY sources/tipsters.
his credibility is shot
if he’s wrong.
he’s a reporter for several newspapers and severely damages his reputation bro.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not going to argue, but I can assure you, like I did on Twitter earlier, that this was absolutely no publicity stunt. I have been in contact with sources since the moment I caught wind of the information, and am still working to uncover details.
www.bleed-green.com
Sources can mean many things. The people you follow on twitter could be your sources, BGN could be your source.
All i know is that this SCREAMS publicity stunt.
A publicity stunt that involves a no name sports reporter from the mid west and Kyle Eckel?
Cory didn’t make this rumor up.
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No saying he made it up. But like all of us he could have heard some rumblings and decided to put his name it.
Understand if that’s what you’re led to believe, and obviously I can’t change that opinion. But I can tell you right now that this entire report was based off information from reliable sources; it was most definitely not made up.
www.bleed-green.com
My response to that has to be then why hasnt any of the big name media guys picked up on this story?
I mean it doesnt even seem like they care/know about the situation.
its bizzare because gruden came out almost as soon as speculation arose of him coaching miami and denied it but he hasnt denied this fishy no?
What about Michigan? He was linked there as well. Did he ever come out and deny that?
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I am not seeing anything saying he did.
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He took a rumor that has 1 in 100000 chance of happening and claimed it to be his own.
Where did he claim it to be his own?
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Errr
Attempt to contact Jon Gruden’s agent ended with no comment on the former coach’s part. Still think something’s afoot. Stay tuned.
@philatticus on Twitter
This implies that contact was indeed made with Gruden’s agent. If such is the case, and if this was whole thing was complete B.S. like the Eagles, McLane, Bowen, Schefter, PFT, and everyone else said it was, Gruden’s agent would have denied, right?
Either this story has legs, or Cody is trying to take us on a wild ride. And I truly don’t believe it’ the latter.
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But arent coaches without jobs ALWAYS getting mentioned for jobs with teams?
Do they always come out and publicly deny it? No, there would be too many denials.
Good point and accurate, but if contacted about it and this thing was absolutely false, it would make sense to end the insanity and deny it.
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Completely different. Of course you won’t deny a rumor if it’s something like “Bill Cowher is going to coach our linebackers!” but this is a head coaching switch late in the game and he would be taking over a division winning team from the 6th longest tenured coach in sports. Not your normal coaching rumor.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
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by d-jackfan10 on Feb 7, 2011 3:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My brain is going to be fried by the end of this. I hate this back and forth. Could you imagine if this story has legs? Les Bowen and other various snarks will get nice snarky twwetsbin their direction from me.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Feb 7, 2011 3:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My brain is going to be fried by the end of this. I hate this back and forth. Could you imagine if this story has legs? Les Bowen and other various snarks will get nice snarky tweets in their direction from me.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
by d-jackfan10 on Feb 7, 2011 3:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Even Jason is having his share of fun on Twitter.
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this isn't quite a black and white rumor either...
many things don’t make sense (and probably never will).
you’d think people would be more open to the possibility…
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I hate this sentence.
you’d think people would be more open to the possibility…
Theres a possibility tomorrow that when you walk out you door tomorrow Mike Vick will hand you your paper.
There is a possibility for EVERYTHING. It comes down to odds, and the odds of this happening are very, very low.
Can we get someone to contact Gruden and say “This whole thing is B.S.” or to contact Reid’s family and have them say, “yeah, there are no health issues with Andy right now.”
Something makes me weary of trusting Eagles written statements.
/Kolb is starting.
//McDermott is staying
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that's all i and everyone else wants.
we’re just sticking up for a guy… that’s it.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
says who?
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I would hereby request that February 7 th now and forever be known as Philadelphia Eagles speculation day. As I have loved reading the comments and all the ideas floating around.
I was saying this was stupid rumor about 13 hours ago… if it sounds like a bullshit rumors, it’s a bullshit rumor.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
I agree with that
And then Cliffmas happened.
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#mysteryteam for Cliff Lee. Jon Heyman is a bigger schmuck than we all thought! This is all horseshit.
Mystery team fits profile of Phillies………
Yankees now worried…….
Merry Cliffmas!
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by Justin F. on Feb 7, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My friend thought I was literally high. He’s a diehard Yanks fans, and never in a million years did ANYONE think the Phillies were gonna sign Lee.
Next morning I was eating a good ole “fuck you sandwich.”
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Did it taste good?
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Co-stan-za
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Not saying I think Andy is having any health problems, but if he was. Who is the most likely person to replace him in ya’ll opinions?
Marty
Without a doubt I’d think it’d be Marty.
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Les...
Btw, with Ron Jaworski at DFW. He drove Jon Gruden to airport after SB. For flight home to Tampa. Bigfoot, Nessie still unaccounted for.
http://twitter.com/#!/LesBowen/status/34709892430299136
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Of all people, Jaws would cover for Gruden
(flaming the fire)
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Also, Les Bowen just said he drove Gruden to the airport. Did he walk him to his gate? Can we definitively say that Jon Gruden got on the flight to Tampa? Changing gates is not hard.
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So..
I don’t get the defense of Cody. He’s wrong. The Eagles statement leaves no room for interpretation or soothsaying. Oh, his “sources” lied to him? What sources, the effing bellhop at a hotel in Philly? I mean, jesus, when has he ever broken any kind of news. Do you really think he’d break something of this magnitude while the beat writers have nothing on the subject? Typical kingmcnabb news article: Information already publicly available, usually days prior, with tremendous amounts of painful filler like ‘veteran pass catcher’ and ‘flow of speculation and reports’ — I’d rather read GCobb’s articles, at least they cut to the chase and provide his (usually inaccurate) insight.
That is all. Please continue this hilarity.
The Eagles/Reid said McNabb was their QB.
The Eagles/Reid said Kolb was there QB, then said he would stay their QB.
The Eagles/Reid hired an O-Line coach as their DC.
Should i keep going…?
Yes, you should, because it makes you look quite simple.
I mean, all NFL teams tell the press guys they want to trade will be traded right? And, you know, the whole Kolb/Vick situation has NEVER happened before to any NFL team. Obviously, this is evidence that Jon Gruden is coming to Philly and Andy will be gone.
The Eagles said after the loss to Green Bay that Sean McDermott was staying, when they knew he wasn’t.
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Wait a minute? Is “yeah” the new “no?”
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+1
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
So, Andy is asked a pointed question right after a playoff loss, gives a very flat answer and makes a decision contrary to that answer.. and this means we’re getting Gruden?
THE LOGIC TRAIN HAS LEFT THE STATION.
You missed the point.
The point is the Eagles in the very recent past have lied. Their statements and their pressers are to be taken with a grain of salt. It does not mean we are getting Gruden, but it does mean that you have to question what they tell you, especially when a legitimate person claims to have sources saying the opposite is true.
Can you say for sure you know where Jon Gruden is at this very moment?
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Can you say for sure you know where Jon Gruden is at this very moment?
The fact that you just typed that should give you pause — you’re playing Where’s Gruden based on what? The fact that NFL teams lie?
And no, you don’t have to question the press release. Did the Eagles ever give a press release saying unequivocally that McNabb would be back? That McD would be? No, they didn’t. So using your logic, I can say that the press release is factual. If Andy came out and said, in a presser, ‘yeah’ when asked if he’s still the coach, then I could doubt it — again, using your logic.
It could be because nothing has been finalized yet.
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unfortunately
99% of this post today is based on speculation (either way)…..not logic…
FLY #7 FLY !!!
ouch
and FWIW i wouldn’t wish a GCobb article on anyone…
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
He's been right once..
in like 5 years. He legitimately called the Samuel signing before everyone else did.
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I understand,
Stephen A. Smith is right every now and again too.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
watch it
you might get banned like i did for calling him out.
it's not that i hate Kolb, i just think he SUCKS.
Latest, per Cody:
I can confirm that Jon Gruden was in Philadelphia and at the NovaCare Complex on Sunday, and definitely in the afternoon hours before SB.
" You're f***ing out! " - Kenny Powers
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 7, 2011 3:47 PM EST reply actions
Les Bowen responds:
Dude, you really need to give this up. Gruden was in Dallas yesterday. He is in Tampa today.
" You're f***ing out! " - Kenny Powers
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 7, 2011 3:49 PM EST reply actions
Just beat me to it
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Cody responds:
Gruden was in Dallas yesterday. But he made a trip to Philly and I have CONFIRMED that he was at NovaCare Complex.
" You're f***ing out! " - Kenny Powers
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 7, 2011 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I effin love this shit.
I don’t even care anymore… I’m gay for Cody’s sources.
I want to see how this shit ends…
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Guys
My sources have just informated me that since NFL coaches lie or have to answer pointed questions at press conferences maybe when they haven’t made a decision, anything is possible.
Stay tuned while I try to confirm whether or not the Eagles are trading for Tom Brady, since the Eagles have lied before and have not denied that they are not trying to trade for Mr. Ugz
My point is your logic is flawed. “Eagles lie, so it could be true, regardless of the press statement” — yet all your examples are of what I said, Andy being asked pointed questions before he makes a decision, not wanting to give up trade leverage or generally just playing shit close to the vest like he always has. McD, McNabb etc. are all instances of this, not the Eagles putting out a release saying in clear as day English: Not happening.
Give it a rest holy shit.
You have to admit though...
The McNabb thing is a much more solid example than the McDermott one, if one of course takes for granted that the “yeah” was soft.
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No, I don’t admit it — it’s actually hilarious when people point it out. Why would Andy give up his leverage? He did the exact same thing with Lito. Not a single NFL franchise admits that a player will not be back that is under contract and has trade value, except in really weird/rare circumstances.
McNabb was not one of those circumstances.
You’re viewing it within context, not within the words, but within the circumstances surrounding it (ie leverage).
On it’s face value, and when applied to straight logical deductions ala Plato, etc., the McNabb example fits a lot of things.
When you start to apply qualifiers “McNabb is on this team as the starter…bc we need to get the most for him” you ultimately have to compensate for that within the deduction.
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The fact that you’re suggesting I should view it “within words” is ridiculous? All communication revolves around context — hence the term ‘out of context’ i.e. viewing within words.
Not logical problems.
Logical problems, straight logic, shit you do on the LSAT..the words create the context, and context outside of the scope of the words does not exist to alter the relationship between the words and the phrases.
And it is ridiculous—but that’s actual “logic” for you. You view things in straight statements, the words alone, and derive the relationship from only those words.
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Why give it a rest? It’s the off-season now. Nothing else/better is going on.
" You're f***ing out! " - Kenny Powers
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 7, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
sadly +1
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
As maddening as they can be, I love following these rumors.
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Because it’s complete fiction? While we’re at it, lets talk about the potential trade for Revis and bringing back Jaws to backup Vick when we trade Kolb.
All of those things share a common theme: They won’t happen, just like this.
you don't know that for sure
how can you be?
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
You’re right. So, all the idiots running around screaming about the Mayan apolocalypse.. you buy that too? I mean, you can’t be sure they’re wrong, so how can you be sure the world won’t end next year? Why aren’t you selling everything you own in preparation for a month long party in Vegas starting in Dec. of next year? How’s the tin foil hat fit?
you've got great points, Greg
I’m more of a science kind of guy… I believe in facts, things I know to be true.
and I know that, while the Eagles have released a statement saying no, Cody, a respected journalist, says otherwise. I’ve read his stuff for awhile now, and i’m officially… not blindly ruling him out… too much doesn’t fit (Gruden sighting, our offseason so far, Eagles officials going back on their word in the past,, etc)
more importantly, me being basically curious and wanting to see ‘David’ win is what I’m all about.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
I understand where you’re coming from. I’m actually kind of curious just to see the whole process unfold — but yea’, I’ve said all that can be said from my perspective.
Dream away, oh haters of Reid.
P.S. If Gruden really does become the HC, not only will I crap my pants in shock but I will have to post a really self-shaming comment about how wrong I was, so that should give you something to look forward too! :P
I WANT Andy to stay and finally get his Lombardi
I want to give Cody the benefit of the doubt too…
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Have you seen or spoken to Jon Gruden today? Have you seen or spoken to people at the NovaCare Complex today? Have you checked flight records to make sure that Gruden flew from Dallas to Tampa Bay yesterday afternoon?
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If you’re so upset about this, why don’t you just get off your computer and do something else?
" You're f***ing out! " - Kenny Powers
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 7, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
You may be right, this may be fiction, but people here want to talk about this, regardless. If you don’t, no one’s making you stay and talk about it.
" You're f***ing out! " - Kenny Powers
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 7, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
I am actually enjoying this thread quite immensely, but thank you for informing me that I do, in fact, have free will and I’m not simply part of the Matrix.
ouch...
taking it personally +1
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Give it a rest holy shit.
You’re enjoying a thread in which you’re telling people to stop discussing what’s being talked about in that thread.
Nice.
" You're f***ing out! " - Kenny Powers
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 7, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
If nothing else, it has provided a fun 24 hours of discussion.
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Les Bowen vs. Cody
who will come out on top?
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
" You're f***ing out! " - Kenny Powers
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 7, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
And a right hook by Les
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Cody def has some 'splainin to do...
he promised us some more info…
i’m probably one of 5 guys that is still listening to him.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
I will be in touch with someone that works at NovaCare tonight. More information is coming.
www.bleed-green.com
If you don't mind me asking, Cody
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
is that your only source, or do you have more?
Regarding the Gruden saga, how many sources, exactly, do you have?
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
What exactly are your sources saying about Gruden being at the Novacare Complex. What I mean is… What were their exact words?
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/
+1
This should be easy to give without giving up who it is.
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I'm with Jimmy here
It would sound a lot more credible if you had an exact quote.
"I like prime rib and I'd love to win a Super Bowl. I'm hungry for both of them." -Andy Reid
JasonB claims to have gotten an email from a source about the Gruden deal and he says it was very clearly a joke. I want to see that email.
Its disclosure time folks.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
I’m still listening to him. I’m not sure I am convinced that people are telling him the truth, but to the extent that he knows people and is telling us what he has heard, I believe him as a credible source.
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This is what the entire offseason going to consist of?
Idiotic rumors that people think will happen?
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Look, guys…I’m being honest here. I even said this when first reporting. It’s bizarre and sounds unbelievable, and at this point, you wouldn’t be crazy to call it merely a rumor, but I reported because I was given information by reliable sources and multiple people that have strong ties to the organization and seemed well aware of the situation on Sunday night.
www.bleed-green.com
so he was here, and is joining the coaching staff? what position?
also, maybe you should also check flight records for today/tomorrow. if there is a press conference tomorrow they’ll probably have Gruden there
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
He said on Twitter that he was going to. Whether or not he found anything is something I do not know.
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i thought he just meant having them checked for sunday. I was just adding that he should also check future flights. It’s not that clear what he meant
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Well, in that case, let me learn reincarnation spells and grab a revolver.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
by Imp on Feb 7, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sayin!
Secretary of State for BGN aka "Most diplomatic man on this site," as appointed by Talon Talent
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Eckel has now come out on WIP essentially claiming responsibility for the whole fiasco, saying that he was just having some fun and that he had no idea that the rumor would become such a “wildfire.”
Really, Kyle? You didn’t think that sparking a rumor about Reid leaving would get people pissed and/or fired up? You dissapoint me.
"Let's take this thing from the beginning. Let's go out and make some plays! Special teams, defense, big hits, turnovers, whatever it takes to win this thing!"
-Brian Dawkins
by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Feb 7, 2011 4:50 PM EST reply actions
sounds to me like ‘the man’ is keeping him quiet
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R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
It looks that way
His story kept changing on WIP. Sounds like a cover up.
Does anyone have a link to the interview? I would like to here him talk.
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When asked if his Facebook post was in fact bogus, he said “no.” I can’t be sure, but it sounds like he’s being awfully cautious with his words right now. Wouldn’t budge about anything else.
www.bleed-green.com
My theory is he let a cat out of the bag that he was not supposed to and someone told him to shut up and backtrack. After all, he was the only person actually that was ever actually tied to the Eagles organization to say something.
Or Kyle Eckel is crazy When I woke up for Super Bowl Sunday, not once did I think that I would be talking about Kyle Eckel so much following the Super Bowl.
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Someone is telling him to be quiet, I honestly believe that because his tone is completely different since yesterday. Its not just a different message, the tone and way his stuff is written is just odd.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
We all know he was a former fullback, but what are Kyle Eckel’s current ties to the organization?
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Cody
let’s get some quotes here…
What did Kyle say… exactly
and
What are your sources telling you… exactly
or something like that
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
My honest take right now: this whole situation has me a little puzzled. Since the word go, it sounded bizarre and none of the regular analysts picked it up. Fact that Andy Reid was fine just days ago seemed like even more evidence. But I was told by multiple sources about the situation…everything from Gruden at the Complex to him at a Philly hotel to off-field issues for Reid. Let me make this clear: Kyle Eckel was not my source. His comments, however, are beginning to make this whole thing even more interesting, and I wonder why the Eagles would even bother denying a report about this; after all, they don’t make announcements every time speculation arises regarding a trade of Kolb or for a stud WR.
www.bleed-green.com
It’s not as if my sources have backed down, either. They remain confident, and those claiming knowledge of Reid’s issues said they were “very, very confident” deal would be made this week and likely on Tuesday.
www.bleed-green.com
yeh somethings fishy here....
There is some substance to this whole issue….
Eckel backtracking….
Gruden’s side not refuting…
Eagles FO making a statement right away (like honestly if they did that everytime someone made a facebook/twitter comment…)
FLY #7 FLY !!!
Asked Kyle if he believes there’s any chance at all the Eagles name a new coach this week. After over an hour, still no response.
www.bleed-green.com
no surprise there
I bet you he gpes MIA until something public comes about…. you get the feeling the Eagles sent over their “Agent Smith” to deal with Kyle for a few days lol
FLY #7 FLY !!!
+1
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
What are your sources saying about Andy's problems?
can you please elaborate further on your conversation with KE, with more quotes than just “I’’m sure”?
we’re all dying to know what you’ve got.
We know you won’t give up your sources (for obvious reasons) but your supporters/curious people here want to know more.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
O.K., here are a few quotes:
“I’m taking a beating… Rough. I literally know nothing…regardless it was dumb to write no matter true or not.”
www.bleed-green.com
lol
anything is better than nothing!
and your sources inside NovaCare, Eagles?
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
his facebook is deleted too.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
No need to delete it if he was just having fun and playing a “joke.”
He legit heard something.
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and the plot thickens.....
maybe they will have him taken care of….
kyle eckel is the guy in the new movie ‘Unknown’… dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnnnnn
(must be good to know that Liam Neeson will be playing you.)
also his twitter’s still up
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
he did play with current players. and he does live in the area, maybe they let him use the facility in the offseason?
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Earlier
Someone asked Kyle
@KyleEckel is it true about andy reid?
To which he replied
@Rodney_DeChamp I don’t know. Like I said before I just heard a rumor. So let’s wait and see
Makes me want to wait and see
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yea
He never really refuted what he said. Kind of just said I shouldn’t have done it and tried to play it off as a joke. He said “he took it down immediatley” which he apparently didn’t leading me to believe that Kyle actually believes what he wrote. This is all just my speculation.
I'd wait and see
You know, the front office doesn’t exactly have a history of being forthright about anything. “Kolb is the starter” “McNabb is an Eagle” “McDermott is our DC”. Just a few examples of the runaround we’ve been given in recent years from Andy and co. You don’t think they’d deny it if it leaked a little earlier than they were ready for? I know they would.
Is it set in stone Gruden’s the man and Reid is definitely out? No. But I’d hold off before I take the FO at it’s word and say this thing is false and over with. Cody seems very confident about this whole thing with his sources, which he has a right to keep to himself, and his source, wasn’t Kyle Eckle, it was a second corroborating source that said the same thing.
To flame this guy for doing his job is just plain stupidity
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That picture is weird…the uniform is backwards…which makes no sense. Yes I am a nerd, and yes I am ok with it.
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by captain nodar on Feb 7, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't believe you.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
You liar.
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It’s true. At the end, Data suggests that they trick the mirror Picard into saying “Kltpzyxm”, which will summon Batman and The Traveler from Tau Alpha C, and together they can defeat the mirror Picard and send him back to the Bizarro world from whence he came.
I just realized however that they may not have released that episode in the USA run of TNG, so you may have trouble finding it.
by captain nodar on Feb 7, 2011 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
i dont believe you.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'm glad I didn't check BGN between last night and now ...
… so I didn’t have to be bothered with this.
I think I would have been HIGHLY skeptical anyway. Why would Big Red make a bunch of staff changes and then step down.
And him stepping down is the only way he’s leaving absent at least consecutive losing seasons. He’s not being fired otherwise, he just isn’t.
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Just to save you on reading 500 comments....
Most of the reasoning was based on him leaving for personal reasons (ie health issues)
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could be moving into FO, or Family issues, but i doubt that because his sons put him through a lot but he stayed. and why would they replace him so quickly as opposed to seeing if the family/health issue is taken care of
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R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like there is something there
But what is there really?
Eagles next starting QB: "East West Shrine Game Legend" Mike Kafka
Someone posted this as a comment at Bleed-Green.com
I think people, especially you Eric, need to sit back and wait for this to be
over. If there is no movement by Thursday, well then it probably won’t happen.
But to dismiss this the moment the FO says it’s false is pure hilarity. If you
buy what the FO feeds you a face value when they say it, well, I bet you can’t
wait to see what our starting QB Kevin Kolb is going to do, and what new schemes
Sean McDermott is going to come up with as our DC.
They lie all the time, and if this broke before they were ready to deal with it,
they’ll lie again, Schefter et al report the company line, bleed-green here have
their sources and their sources say this isn’t over yet. And if you’ve read
more of what Kyle Eckle has said today, you’ll see he’s waffled and changed his
story all day. Something is at foot. But before you go ridiculing a blog, wait
a day or two instead of taking the word of an untrustworthy FO with an agenda.
www.bleed-green.com
Who is Kyle Eckel again?
I keep trying to find the ties to how he knows anything at all that is going on within the Eagles organization.
Can you have him explain where he first heard this hearsay/rumor?
by SuburbanElite on Feb 7, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Former FB
lives in the philadelphia area
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
I get that much, what I don't get is WHO he is, that he'd be privy to this
You figure with the way all players are twatting too, someone would have said something.
Is it that difficult to name your source or provide substance to your story other than kyle eckel safe facing
by SuburbanElite on Feb 7, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
I understand what you're saying -- NFL teams lie
… that said, if you think that’s a good enough reason to lend credence to every unsubstantiated rumor that floats out on the interwebz, that’s fine for you.
For me, I’m going to require corrorboration from some reputable source — and by that I don’t just mean a newspaper, though I still trust those guys get it right more often than not. But a website, a connected blog, WIP, something … PLUS I’m gonna need it to make sense on some level.
This just doesn’t. If Andy has any inkling he’s stepping down, he doesn’t announce a new DC last week (or if he does, he announces a guy Gruden wants).
Honestly I think we’ve just been had (and by we I mean you guys). Kyle Eckel or whoever is just proving how gullible we all are and how we’ll buy into anything.
Now if someone reputable said Nnamdi Asomugha was real excited to play across from Asante Samuel for a check that includes lots and lots of zeros, I’m hook, line and sinker, cuz that makes some sense!
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Also as we say so often otherwise -- there are no games until September
and nothing important happening until a CBA is agreed to and/or we have the draft under lockout conditions.
Therefore there’s no reason for me (or anyone else) to rush into buying into a very strange rumor. Maybe I’ll turn out to be wrong — it happened once before.
Certainly it’s a lot of fun for FO haters and conspiracy theorists, but not for me.
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My issue mostly is how people are slamming bleed-green and ridiculing them for sticking to the story
And using the FO as if it’s “the word”. I’ve never had any reason to doubt the information bs gives, why should I start now? Maybe I trust too much, but if you read what Cody is posting on twitter you’ll see just how certain they are that there is more to this than the FO said there is.
Kyle Eckle and unnamed sources close to the team sounds shady, but replacing Andy Reid with Gruden would be shady business in my book. This is the sort of thing the team would keep locked down if it was happening right?
I’m not saying eat it all up, but don’t NOT buy it just because the FO said so. There’s no reason to not give some faith to it, to trash it and call it silly (not you particularly) is silly, because the source of the argument on the other side (the FO) is just as bad of a source as Kyle Eckle and the unnamed sources.
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bg not bs that is.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
That makes sense ...
… I think front offices are generally reputable sources of news on their own team, but there are also times when they have reasons to lie until its convenient for them not to, so definitely anything you hear from a source with an axe to grind is to be taken with a grain of salt.
This is also why everything ever is supposed to be corroborated with two unrelated sources, because anybody could have an axe to grind and reputations are too valuable to stake on one person’s information, even if they mean well.
Most of this is sort of out the window in the age of instant information, but I thought I’d share anyway.
So in essence I agree — doubting something just because the official source (in this case the Eagles FO) hasn’t said it isn’t a good enough reason to completely dismiss something. But again, you go back to needing some more meat to the original report.
The good thing is the truth comes out pretty quickly these days once the ish begins to hit the fan, so no rush. We’ll find out (or not find out) soon enough.
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Exactly
We’ll know soon. I just don’t like how he’s getting trashed for following it. You should see some of the replies on twitter.
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That would be me.
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Latest from Cody:
I have breaking #Eagles news and it concerns the Jon Gruden situation. Stay tuned.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 7, 2011 9:23 PM EST reply actions
is this the moment?
i’m watching Californication on DVD but waiting patiently…
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
This is the turning point for you, Cody.
Time to change your BGN screen name and move on from the McNabb era.
Some suggestions if you’re right:
King Cody
Cody was Right
I posterized Les Bowen
.
If you were wrong:
Bowen’s Bitch
Andy is Still Here
iwastheguywhothoughtgrudenwashired
Unreliable Sources
.
PS- much props to you for sticking around on BGN. You post great stuff and I remember you getting a lot of shit about your other blog when you first started posting on here.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Washington Redskins TE Chris Cooley
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by goodfella46er on Feb 7, 2011 9:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with the sentiment
I’ve always thought they ran a quality setup over there. They wouldn’t be pushing this unless they truly believed it. Maybe they’ll get burned, maybe Gruden was there visiting, I’m sure previous coaches and friends are always welcome to visit and he joked to an employee that he was there for the HC job and it was misinterpreted.
No one has been able to say that he wasn’t there, yes he was in Dallas, but with planes it’s remarkable how one can be in two cities a timezone apart in the same day.
If I were him and I were right, I’d change my name to EFFALLYOUGUYS. But he’s probably classier than that.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
he be a bit modest
and go with Bleed-Green, but i like anything that puts himself on a pedestal saying, ‘nananananana i was right’
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Latest:
Maybe not what you were waiting for but a step…source says Andy Reid, Jon Gruden met privately in Philly last night around midnight. #NFL
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 7, 2011 10:01 PM EST reply actions
expected more
but i’m glad he’s got something!
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
This maybe a coincidence, but it was past midnight that sources were growing “more confident” in the words of Cody. Maybe I am grasping at straws here, but this can’t be coincidental, can it?
Is Paul Holmgren really bad at managing the salary cap? Does Matt Stairs enjoy getting his ass hammered by guys?
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Here you go, from a poster who earlier in the thread claimed he knew Cody on a personal basis.
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To provide my own counter argument though, he is just saying “source,” not “sources” this time. It’s the first time I can recall that he has done so since this thing started.
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peep this
While my original report regarding a nearing Eagles coaching move was refuted by the team itself in a formal statement on Monday afternoon, a source with direct ties to the ongoing and unfolding situation tells me that Andy Reid and Jon Gruden met privately late on Sunday night at a local Philadelphia steakhouse. While I am currently in the process of gathering more information about the reported get-together, a meeting between Reid and Gruden would possibly indicate that the former is not dealing with serious health issues and was in good enough condition to be away from home, contrary to several sources’ beliefs. A confirmed meeting would also debunk speculation that Gruden was at no time in Philadelphia on Sunday, something that many, including the Eagles organization, have claimed to be true. And with reliable sources previously informing Bleed Green that Gruden was indeed at the NovaCare Complex this past weekend, a private discussion between the club’s current head coach and Gruden would almost assuredly mean the two were talking about a potential job on the staff.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty big leap here
a private discussion between the club’s current head coach and Gruden would almost assuredly mean the two were talking about a potential job on the staff.
Or just two coaches having dinner.
I’m all for Gruden being down with us (though I’m not sure why he’d want to be “on staff” when he’s a hot HC candidate).
But if I was the editor on that piece I’d stop right there and say you need to flesh that part out with more substance.
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having dinner? after the superbowl? at midnight? 3000 miles away from the superbowl?
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair
It could mean anything. Absolutely anything.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Riighhtt. Jon Gruden flew into Philadelphia late at night and ate dinner with Andy Reid at midnight because they’re just such great friends…
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Busy men with busy schedules
We wouldn’t meet our friends for a midnight dinner the night after the big game, but then, presumably none of us are NFL head coaches or ESPN analysts.
To say they were talking about jobs on the staff is pure 100% speculation. The rest has merit in fact though and I support Cody in searching it out. I’d rather draw my conclusions from fact.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
i honestly believe that he knows he screwed up and is just keeping this game going for as long as he can while he thinks of an excuse.
it's not that i hate Kolb, i just think he SUCKS.
Do you have any more evidence than he does to the contrary? He has waiters, Kyle Eckle and Novacare workers. You have the Eagles FO. All or none could be credible sources. It’s a he said she said. You aren’t right. He isn’t right. We’ll know when it happens or doesn’t happen anything to slander him or to suggest he “knows he screwed up” is just as much placed in theory as Gruden becoming our head coach is as it stands now.
There’s enough there to consider that something could be afoot. Maybe conclusions have been drawn that shouldn’t have been, it is possible that Andy Reid and Gruden are buddies and they met for a dinner, people have dinner with their friends all the time. It’s also possible, that with all the wacky things that have occurred this off-season so far, that Andy Reid for reason can no longer coach this team and is being replaced. Any outcome at this point is as likely as any other, all we can do is wait.
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Cody’s story on the Reid-Gruden meeting yesterday
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 7, 2011 10:11 PM EST reply actions
Cody's latest blog post Cliff notes
- Reid and Gruden met at a Ruth Chris’s steakhouse in Philadelphia on late Sunday night, early Monday morning.
- Reid is at least healthy enough to be away from home, obviously
- The source is someone who has “a strong relationship with someone that "waits tables there and recognized Reid at about midnight last night.” The source "hung around and saw Gruden walk out."
- Cody is trying to reach out to the restaurant to get more information.
Is Paul Holmgren really bad at managing the salary cap? Does Matt Stairs enjoy getting his ass hammered by guys?
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Reid is at least healthy enough to be away from home, obviously.
And healthy enough to eat at a steakhouse.
" You're f***ing out! " - Kenny Powers
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 7, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
I just went on Ruth Chris’s web site and I have verified that their private dining hours extend beyond the hours they are open to the public. Ruth Chris’s in Philadelphia closes at 9:00 PM on Sunday. They accept private reservations up to 12:45 AM. It is in this private only window that Reid and Gruden were allegedly spotted.
Is Paul Holmgren really bad at managing the salary cap? Does Matt Stairs enjoy getting his ass hammered by guys?
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Oops, that meant was meant to be its own post, not a relay.
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so...
what could possibly be next?
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
At this point, it’s probably a wait-and-see game. People are trashing me nonstop on Twitter and at Bleed Green, but I’ve stuck to my reports and thought this one was definitely helpful.
www.bleed-green.com
proud of you, brother
A breakthrough of sorts, i guess.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
are you gonna apologize when everything proves that you are wrong?
it's not that i hate Kolb, i just think he SUCKS.
when?
are you going to apologize if he’s right?
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I said this above, but for the first time, something Cody said could be verified in the public domain (Ruth Chris’s operating hours). He said they are open for private reservations past their closing time (9:00 PM on Sunday). That much is true.
Is Paul Holmgren really bad at managing the salary cap? Does Matt Stairs enjoy getting his ass hammered by guys?
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Do any major journalists apologize when they do?
I don’t recall them doing so. He has no reason to. He offers a service, you can subscribe to it if you want to and accept that as a sports writer sometimes not everything they come across is footed in fact. If you don’t subscribe to it then kindly stfu and walk away. If he wasted this much of your life on something you clearly don’t believe, how much did you really not believe it if you kept listening?
It’s the off-season, calm down the journalist hate, he heard something and worked hard to do his due diligence following some loose ends that didn’t seem right to him and it’s still not over.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
i’m still trying to understand how he is any different from any other journalist who gets a report wrong. you guys bash people for getting reports wrong all the time, how is he any different?
it's not that i hate Kolb, i just think he SUCKS.
if you can prove he’s wrong, go ahead. but can you?
if he’s right, he’s the only person fully covering this story, he is this story.
if he’s wrong, i still would like to know what’s going on, no one is talking and little things keep popping up
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
what little things? all he said was his source is a waiter at a restaurant that apparently Reid&Gruden were at. what proof is that?
it's not that i hate Kolb, i just think he SUCKS.
What proof is there the other way? The Eagles FO said so? That could be just as rooted in fiction as the whole Gruden story could be. Just wait it out.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
What proof is there to support it?
A bunch of wait and sees? A restaurants business hours? Come on, this dude is lacking any details to his story and it doesn’t deserve the attention you all are giving it with what little bit can be gleamed from nobodies twittering.
by SuburbanElite on Feb 8, 2011 6:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Watch who you include in "you guys"
I do no such thing. It’s their job to follow these leads. If it turns up with nothing they were just doing their job. If it turns out to be something, they just provided a great service. But as it stands, he has a lead on something, we don’t know if it ends with a big story or not. Why bash on something without knowing the ending?
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
You are the one with the sources, they are not.
That being said, with Reid obviously healthy enough to dine at a steakhouse past midnight, do you think Reid is stepping down because of health? Is it possible Gruden could be given another job on the staff or is it possible that Reid takes a full time front office job?
Is Paul Holmgren really bad at managing the salary cap? Does Matt Stairs enjoy getting his ass hammered by guys?
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Haters gonna Hate
They’re just jealous they don’t have the resources or reporting skills
but seriously, if they can’t disprove what you are saying, then all they’re doing is talking. Maybe they’ll get lucky, but if your putting this much work in, if you’re right, then email all of them saying ‘ha’.
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
you don't even have to do that
don’t do anything…
your work will speak for itself, Cody.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Keep it up
regardless if your right or wrong, awesome job with the frequent updates and at the very least , are keeping everyones interest up…..good work man
I don't know
I’ve been following this all day and this last report you wrote is the first time where I’ve thought you were stretching for something. I mean, without knowing the deails of the conversation, they were just having dinner.
Like I said, I’ve been reading all day, and I even started following you on Twitter. I’m just hoping you’ve been going on more than what you gave us in your latest report.
think about it.
the biggest thing about the dinner is that Gruden DID come to Philly yesterday…
and for what?
Why fly to Philly for a few hours just to show up on ESPN the next morning"?
Why does no one have any idea regarding Gruden’s whereabouts?
Either Cody’s right, or this is shaping up to be quite an elaborate hoax…
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Dunno if you guys find this relevant, but Eckel seems intent on slowing me down right now. Sending me messages to “just wait,” and stop the reports for a while.
www.bleed-green.com
Very relevant
(looks at calendar to make sure it isnt April 1st)
Yes, very relevant,
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Washington Redskins TE Chris Cooley
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by goodfella46er on Feb 7, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
If the Eagles are willing to ACTUALLY hire their offensive line coach as their Defensive Coordinator
I’d love to see what they’d pull as an April Fools joke.
haha
no kidding.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Washington Redskins TE Chris Cooley
"Enough about talking about talking. More talking about football. Eagles football, that is." -BGN's PhiladelphiaEagles
by goodfella46er on Feb 7, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
if this is true
sounds like you might want to start your article for tomorrow.
i’d start with, “Hey Fuckers, I was right”… lol
but seriously, it could be he doesn’t want this to go any further bc none of it is true or he was told to keep it quiet and your blowing it up
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
nice quote Cody
you got this.
It’s all you… and only you.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Very relevant. This is the guy who said it was a “joke” this morning. Then he said it was careless of him. Now he’s telling you to slow down. Either Kyle Eckel is crazy or you are on to something the Eagles don’t want you on to.
That last sentence would explain why every major beat writer laughed and refuted this.
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Kyle Eckel screwed up, let the cat out of the bag, story got big and now he is facing pressure. I’m honestly starting to believe that someone in the Eagles organization has told him to shut his mouth and cover up.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
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"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
Why does he care who tells him to shut up
He’s not on the eagles squad so what’s his stake in things if it gets out. They guy, last I googled, is a member of the broncos.
by SuburbanElite on Feb 8, 2011 6:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm sold on the idea of Gruden being in Philly over the weekend
What I’m not sold on is Gruden being the head coach by the end of the week, or by the start of the season, even. I just don’t see a head coach change given how many changes we’ve already seen on the coaching staff. It would have to be a pretty extraordinary situation.
I’ll be the first to congratulate Cody if he’s right. I was just hoping for more than a dinner date between Reid and Gruden, since I’ve already bought the idea that Gruden was in Philadelphia.
by laxer298 on Feb 7, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Keep it up, I’ll defend you on twitter.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
"It's simple, ... I'm always striving to do more. Whatever I accomplish, it's not enough. I don't get satisfied. That's not my nature." -Brian Dawkins
"Well as long as you want to get it right it's Princess Buttercup... Jackass." -Udalango
I keep reading the replys on twitter and it really bothers me
I try to look at things as logically as possible. In a pure logic sense (no offense) you aren’t right. As it stands right now Jon Gruden is not our head coach. But at the very same time he could be, this could be real. The only thing that goes against what you have to say is what the FO said, that it isn’t true. And they lie all the time.
There seems to be enough evidence to suggest that something is in play here, could be friends having dinner, could be two colleagues figuring out a transfer of power.
I wish people could just be rational and wait before they trash you for something that isn’t over. It’s like a fan saying “How did you like watching your team lose today?” despite the fact that game hasn’t even started.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Good work Justin. This rumor feels funny. I’m not sold but I’m not ruling it out either.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
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first it’s tuesday, now it’s wednesday next will be thursday, friday etc, etc.
it's not that i hate Kolb, i just think he SUCKS.
And then you can doubt it
Until then your doubts are based in the same realm that you thinks these rumors are.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Re: www.bleed-green.com
kingmcnabb5 has always been a nice writer in terms of putting forth effort. The work always kind of strikes me as that of someone who wants to be a journalist, and someday might be a good one with a little schooling/training, because effort is not always something you can teach.
Effort alone doesn’t make you a journalist though.
You are staking your entire reputation and website on this potentially huge scoop. I hope you have backchecked your sources well and you are very confident in their veracity. Otherwise what might be a nice one-week traffic/publicity spike could ultimately be what dooms your efforts to be a relevant source of Eagles news.
I’ll be interested to see how it turns out. Good luck.
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Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I'm excited to see how this turns out...
and for Cody.
We’re all thinking Gruden to Head Coach/Andy to quit or move to Front Office… but I thought about this and it could be a number of this…
maybe Andy wanted to talk to Jon about something important… not related to a job offer at all…
maybe Andy wants to team to name him successor after next year if we fail to win the Lombardi
who knows?
Eckel is the wild card, believe it or not… and I can’t believe those words would ever come out of my mouth.
that guy has changed his story so many times over the last 24…
bottom line, I enjoyed this… and I hope it all pans out for Cody.
Everyone has to start somewhere and I hope this is his big break.
I also hope everything is going well with the Eagles… most importantly.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
Honestly I'm not sure I hope Reid is out as coach and Gruden is in
Not sure that’s much of a net improvement for the Eagles, whose success I happen to care about more than any one individual trying to break a story (no offense homie)
I realize there is tons of disagreement on Reid/Gruden’s coaching abilities, and I’m not about to get into that unless the move is made.
Which I kind of doubt at this point. Because when a potentially huge scoop like this floats, everyone who’s anyone covering the NFL wants to break the story, or some piece of it. So everyone who deals with the Eagles calls everyone they know — agents, front office sources, directly — sometimes they’ll even ask them to tell them if they’re barking up the right tree even if they don’t want to give up the goods.
If this were true, you’d have to figure that within the span of one news day somebody would have turned up something.
Anyway …
Secretary of State for BGN aka "Most diplomatic man on this site," as appointed by Talon Talent
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I love Reid
consistent winner. only two words you need to say about him.
With that being said, Gruden isn’t bad… Andy helped put the pieces together regarding the Eagles… coaches, FO, players, draft pick collection, etc. Gruden would be working off of that…
aren’t we talking about needing a great motivator, and that being our missing piece?
bingo, enter Jon Gruden.
whatever… we’ll see.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
by Ralf E Chubbs on Feb 7, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Eckel is the wild card, believe it or not… and I can’t believe those words would ever come out of my mouth.
If I had a nickel for every time I said that Sunday morning at a tailgate…
Either way it pans out, though, I can’t wait to bring this up in my Digital Media class tomorrow night.
this and the Fisher story
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Reliable source: Reid, Gruden met privately Sunday night via http://twitter.com/BleedGreen_Cody
a little late, and he’s in here. search for kingmcnabb5
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 7, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
CPU =/= PC
" You're f***ing out! " - Kenny Powers
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 7, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
before yall dismiss codys story as bs remember that everyone BUT Gruden has denied this story to be true Gruden however hasnt and when his name was linked to miami and Michigan he immediately denied it. Thin on that for a while
Im starting to doubt
Havent heard anything in a while. No updates or anything kinda just went cold
Not sure why you're doubting
Gruden just made his first hire in johnnie Lynn.
by SuburbanElite on Feb 8, 2011 3:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i dount doubt cody i jut wonder why the eagles would keep this quiet and why gruden himslef hasnt denied it yet
why dignify this nonsense with a response
when the Eagles have already done so?
by SuburbanElite on Feb 8, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
what the eagles say and what the eagles do are two totally different things
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Feb 8, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
This is for all of you doubting cody just think about this for a while and see what you come up with. As we all know every writer is denying this story as is the eagles organization, BUT, theres one very important person who hasnt denied this rumor and that is Gruden himself. Gruden denied rumors of coaching at both miami and michigan so why then has he not come out and denied this if it is in fact false answer me that before you hate on a reporter for reporting a story he has sources on that seem credible
Look I don't totally doubt...
Just that its been a while. That is why I am starting to doubt. Figured news would be churning out if there was something. Thats all.
something about this is fishy and i dont know what……………maybe its the fact that gruden is the only one to not deny this at all when evryone else in the world has
It does seem odd. It really does. But it was time for this to happen: http://www.bleed-green.com/blog/?p=9196
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