Did anyone learn anything from past history?
by Joe_D on Feb 2, 2011 6:21 PM EST
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PrintFans are SO quick to over react instead of sitting down and looking at a situation with sound objectionable analysis. How many times does the FO have to make a crazy or what fans and so-called experts aka sports jouranlists think are crazy moves that are surely going to drown the franchise... Only to be proven wrong again and again and again.
Phil Sheridan thinks this is a crazy move that puts Andy Reids career in jeopardy. Oh wait, wasn't it when we decided to get rid of McNabb that Andy put his neck out there because it meant we were "rebuilding."
Oh, and starting that QB who no one (including myself) thought he was capable enough to run a complex offense... What as his name again? Michael Vick. How many claimed the season was lost after that surprising week 3 move? I think more than half of BGN made that claim.
Let's not forget these "irrational" crazy free agency moves too. You know, how could we survive without Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent? That 2004 pro bowl secondary was made up of 2 new starters and was supposed to be the weakness because this FO is so crazy (and cheap too) and didn't want to pay Bobby and Troy. Dawkins, Trotter, Douglas, Duce, man the list goes on... How does a team who keeps evolving their roster keep winning? So irrational!
Hell, the Kolb draft had people flailing. Why would we draft a QB, we already had a pro bowl QB (although had some serious injury history at the time). Hell that whole draft was pregraded at a D. It's a shame Celek and Bradley had to prove everyone wrong, once again.
Sit back, and relax.
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I'm with ya.
I’m more than willing to give this all a shot.
"He wasn't an astronaut, he was a tv comedian! And he was just using space travel as a metaphor for beating his wife!"
These guys know what they're doing
They know who runs what.
I’m guaranteeing Andy wasn’t getting a massage with Banner and all the sudden saying “You know what? Fuck it, let’s give that guy with a Mexican name who coaches our O-line….Whats his name aagain?” joe Banner: “Juan”… Reid “OH yeah, goood ole, JC, for the hell of it let’s do it!>”
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
am i..........
the only person who like this move? At cousre when i first heard it i was stunned but the more i think about it i think it can work. I have faith in Juan and the FO, and the Mudd move is fuckin genius.
genius?
Overstating it a bit, perhaps. It is a wise move. Unlike, say, making Castillo the defensive coordinator.
"Solace these balls. They better get their guy and he better make a good impression in 2011."--mvict responding to JasonB's comparison of the Eagles to the Bengals
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
Hell no you're not.. I'm fucking estatic.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
so much so I can't spell shit
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
s.h.i.t.
You can thank me later
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
Niccce
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
This is a no-brainer...
I totally agree with you, Joe. It seems like the crazier the move, the more likely it has been successful for Reid. Personally, I think Reid is a much better personnel guy than game time coach. He seems to do pretty well in drafting and with roster moves.
Although it’s been a while since we’ve seen this type of turnover with the coaching staff, I think Reid deserves some leeway.
Like most Eagles fans, I was puzzled by the move. But unlike Eagles fans, I’m willing to take a wait-and-see approach.
After all, like you said Joe, history has shown us that this will probably work out.
Don't Sweat the Technique...
I was puzzzled too
But I try not to doubt the FO… It’s not like we’re the Bengals, or the Redskins where shit doesn’t work out you know?
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
That’s true. A lot of people complain about our FO. I know we haven’t won a SB, but at least we have a chance to, unlike the teams you mentioned.
by PhillyEagles10 on Feb 2, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
We haven't won a SB
but don’t you think if we had been fortunate enough to play the 2000 Giants, 2002 Raiders, or the 2006 Bears our 2004 team would have won? I do.
There is a certain amount of good fortune involved is what I’m saying.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
Sit back, and relax
Right there with ya man…..
They will still need to upgrade the players ….
They have arguably the best OL and DL coaches…..
All they need now are competent DB & LB coaches and they’re good to go
FLY #7 FLY !!!
Releasing McNabb was almost a complete disaster. Reid was lucky he had Vick behind Kolb to save our asses. Kolb was obviously the wrong choice and the way we were using Vick was a joke. We lucked into that choice. Unless we luck into this one, I don’t see it working.
He's slick, he's quick, he's Michael Vick.
I’m miles ahead of you two hacks when it comes to online toughness and throwing down from behind my computer.- DickMuffin
Agreed
Kolb was horrible. 3 of the 6 starts he threw for 300 yards. Guy has no future at all. Stupid fat man
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
2010: 7 TD, 7 INT 76.1 rating. Sounds like a guy I want leading my football team… if I was a Giant’s fan.
He's slick, he's quick, he's Michael Vick.
I’m miles ahead of you two hacks when it comes to online toughness and throwing down from behind my computer.- DickMuffin
Yeah
That includes one game where he had the JV team vs the Cowboys starters.
Cmon man, don’t come at me with stats. Go find me the stats he had against ATL the #1 seed. If you can’t see the bright spots in his game then you don’t know football all that well… Oh, and HE ONLY HAS SIX STARTS
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
I want Kolb...
…on the Redskins. He would fatten Asante and Nnamdi’s stats to Mark McGuire-esque proportions. 10 ints in a game anyone? Yes, please!
"Solace these balls. They better get their guy and he better make a good impression in 2011."--mvict responding to JasonB's comparison of the Eagles to the Bengals
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
If Kolb hadn’t been injured and played out the season, Vick would’ve been payed 5 million to run the wildcat. I may be wrong, maybe if Kolb played shitty the whole season he would’ve been benched. Either way he was the wrong choice.
He's slick, he's quick, he's Michael Vick.
I’m miles ahead of you two hacks when it comes to online toughness and throwing down from behind my computer.- DickMuffin
Either way he was the wrong choice.
No he wasn’t. You just won’t be convinced otherwise.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
by Imp on Feb 2, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Luck or not
Reid knew he had the option. We weren’t watching the development of the two nearly as closely as they were. He may have known that should the season not go well for Kolb, he would have had Vick to throw in who was coming along fine. Things just worked out naturally to force his hand, and it was all well and good.
Trading McNabb was fine considering we had a #2 and #3 QB better than any other team’s #2. It isn’t every day that you have that type of advantage, and they took it. Besides, we’re still taking picks off the Skins and McNabb would almost certainly be walking for nothing right now (or as soon as the CBA gets worked out).
Currently searching for a better signature.
What do you want Vick for?
You’ve never explained your desire.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
Well, I made the name after the Eagles loss to the Cowboys in the wildcard round of the playoffs. At that point, I was incredibly disgusted with McNabb and knew he was probably going to be gone after that season. I also knew that Kolb was going to be given the starter role, so I started my Pro-Vick crusade. Now it looks like I’m just a bandwagon jumper.
He's slick, he's quick, he's Michael Vick.
I’m miles ahead of you two hacks when it comes to online toughness and throwing down from behind my computer.- DickMuffin
You're right Alcatraz,
this man was just pure anti-Kolb.
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
It's just X's and O's
The dude has studied defenses for years and has game planned against every defensive scheme imaginable. It’s a lot easier to break things down when you know how they work. He doesn’t need to be an expert in the secondary, that’s easy because there are only so many coverages. Get a good secondary coach and we’ll be fine.
What the hell, rec'd.
Exactly right Joe, I’m tired of the overreactions here. Let’s just chill and see what happens, we haven’t been led astray yet.
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Fuck that.
The only good thing about this is that it could possibly lead to Reid’s firing.
I am off to read your combine post again.
"Solace these balls. They better get their guy and he better make a good impression in 2011."--mvict responding to JasonB's comparison of the Eagles to the Bengals
Q: What do a leaky tampon and Sean McDermott's defense have in common?
A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
I think you’re just upset because Juan Castillo is a high-motor kind of coach!
" You're f***ing out! " - Kenny Powers
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 2, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
The thing is
There was at least SOME precedent for those moves. Where is this coming from? A career offensive line coach becoming COORDINATOR.
Sadly, the only move I can think of that even comes close is switching Segrest from ST coach to D-Line coach, and that went horribly.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
What do you mean where is it coming from?
He’s been with the Eagles organization forever. He may no a thing or two about the Xos and Os bro..
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
No what I mean is
If some other team had had success with a similar move (moving a guy from a position coach on one side to the coordinator gig on the other) then there would be precedent.
But nobody has every done anything like this, and I think that’s because it’s just plain crazy.
I don’t want to insult Castillo, because he’s a terrific O-Line coach.
But Mike Singletary is a great LB coach. Does that mean he’d be a good offensive coordinator?
Would Mike Martz be a great DC?
Would Jim Johnson have been a great OC?
All those guys knew X’s and O’s very well, but those kind of moves are out of left field.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
No one has ever traded their franchise QB intra division either
We interviewed a lot of guys, it wsan’t a left field, pick a name out of the hat kinda thing…
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Umm
Green Bay basically did the same thing. Favre ended up intra division within a year anyway.
And this is more extreme than that you know it. I’m very skeptical
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Green Bay did everything they could to keep Favre from going in-division. When they traded him to the Jets there was a clause in the trade that said that if they traded Favre to a NFC North team, they’d have to give the Packers multiple first round picks.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
It might be crazy
But it might be crazy like a fox. Lets just see what Juan Castillo is thinking inside that head of his. He could bring a JJ blitz with a washburns pass russ and bring a D no one has ever seen before. " Im just making shit up" But you just dont know what your gonna get with this guy. He could be a genius. " He could be a moron" but i’ll wait to see what he brings before i judge him.
I can deal with this
Mudd is a GREAT pick up. , We have the best Dline coach in the leauge. Im still waiting to see who our LB coach and Secondary Coach will be.
Juan castillo, wholy cow I didnt see that comming. But hey, He’s a good Oline coach. Lets see what he has on the D. " Im still in shock".
Ok Back to the Secondary and LB coach. I really think we need some good guys back there. Those are the weakest links on our D. I dont have3 any clue who they are yet put plese let them be bad ass
Juan Castillo
has the same intials as Jesus Christ, so we’ve got that going for us.
Seriously though, this is either a clusterfuck or a great move. It’s too soon to tell in either direction, but I think some skepticism is understandable.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
Well there’s a difference between “Hmmm this might not work” and “OMG FIRE ANDY HE OBVIOUSLY JUST THREW DARTS AT A BOARD!!!!” and “THIS HAS RUINED MY LIFE”
by Wet_Skeletonz on Feb 2, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is about the most sensible post I’ve ever seen on this blog.
We now have the best o-line coach in the league. We have the best d-line coach in the league. That goes a very long way towards success.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
unfortunately
Our offensive coordinator once took the wind in overtime instead of the ball and our defensive coordinator hasn’t coached defense in 20 years.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
yup
he’s also led the team to franchise scoring records in two consecutive seasons…
say what you want about his past, he’s doing his job now
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
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"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
ehh
This team is LOADED with offensive talent and both of the past two years it has padded the scoring stats with big games against bad teams but has underperformed in the big games.
I give Marty credit for Vick’s renaissance and for exploiting matchups with Desean against weaker secondaries, but I (and again, I see the argument against it) don’t see this as a truly elite offense until it can consistently put pressure on teams like the Packers, Bears, and Giants (in both games, I felt the offense was too sporadic even though we won).
How much of that blame should be on Marty? I don’t know. But I’m not overly impressed with him (though I’m certainly not calling for his head)
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
bro we had the worst o line in the league
and at one point we beat the most teams with winning records…
JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason
This x1000000
I couldn’t agree more. I mean just because he worked on the O line do people think he just closed his eyes and hummed real loud with his hands over his ears when the Defense was on the field?
And yeah this years line looked pretty scary at times, but JC has done a pretty damn good job with what he had to work with.
BTW picking up Mudd is incredible which should frankly be the headlining story.
THat would be fine
If some college or high school team hired him as an dc.
Or even if the Eagles transferred him to LB’s coach or D-Line coach.
But the DC position? Arguably the most important coaching job next year? Sorry I’m skeptical (and FTR I’m always been an Andy Reid supporter, even when he traded my favorite players of all time)
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
When he “traded your favorite players of all time”, how often did that end up working out for the Eagles versus times it didn’t work out?
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
The team ended up in cellar
And his fav player got benched in favor of Rex Grossman
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
thats what I meant
That I supported him despite getting rid of Dawkins, Westbrook, and yes, D-Mac.
My point was I’m not a knee-jerk Andy Reid hater like a lot of people on here. Should he run the ball more? Yes. Does he call way too many long-developing routes with a shoddy o-line? Yes.
Is he also one of the most successful NFL coaches ever? Yes. Does he gameplan well? Most of the time.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
first of all
I said players.
That means Dawkins, Westbrook, Taylor, Vincent, McNabb…Reid’s gotten rid of a lot of guys I liked.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Joe_D you couldn't be more right on this.
One day BGN will trust Reid I think . . . but he got my trust many NFC championship games ago.
rec'd
I was originally confused as well, but I think we should all know after these years that Andy has a plan. We aren’t one of the top franchises in the NFL for nothing. I have faith.
DTMWTD
by alcatraz0109 on Feb 2, 2011 8:48 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
I rec'd the fuck outta this
Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...
Wild_Eagle!
Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.
Bit of revisionism at work here
McNabb had to go at one point or another. The really dramatic move would have been after the ‘08 NFC championship game which a fair amount of people called for. Instead the Eagles tried to retool a bit & load up on offense in ’09 and ended up 1 and done in the playoffs. Most Eagles’ fans I know were ready to see McNabb go last year and realized change was needed.
As for Bobby Taylor, please. He was done and it was clear as day. Only the yahoos wanted to see him resigned. Troy Vincent was a different story though. He still played at a fairly high level his last year here. There were also the advocates who wanted to resign him and possibly move him to SS. Ultimately what the Bills did with Vincent but he injured his knee & was plagued by injury problems much of ’04 and ’06. Vincent had a nice season at S for the Bills in ’05.
So bottom line,
whether Reid gets any credit or not, both of those moves helped the Eagles more than hurt.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
Not really
McNabb had a probowl year, obviosly the stats IMO were heavily skewed , but most experts said we were “rebuildling,” and most had us in the cellar because we lost him. Shit, most Eagles fans thought that too. Why do u think everyone hated me this off season? It was the keep mcnabb trade mcnabb debates… I don’t thnk Vincent had that great of a year with the Bills — I think eh was hurt too.
JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason
I'm ok with the move
My only thing is, the past couple of weeks when people were naming names we scoffed whenever someone named a coach that was more offensive minded. Now here we are talking about how we will accept Reid’s decision to promote the offensive line coach to Defensive coordinator. Just throwing that out there……
"you cannot think this 6-foot man is going to survive a full season if defenses have 904 chances to knock his block off"
by EaglesandRavensFan on Feb 2, 2011 9:58 PM EST reply actions
I'm with you
Until the point about Celek and Bradley saving the ’07 draft. Those clowns may have saved it from a D to a C+
Celek is a "clown"?
Care to retract that?
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
Youre crazy... Bradley is going to have a huge season next year now that hes completely recovered
and everyone is going to be back on his jock again
JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason
Agreed
just goes to show you that Reid doesn’t base his decisions on BGN consensus opinion…
with Andy’s track record in hiring coaches, we have to give this a chance.
Not to mention, with Washburn and Mudd here, I’m pretty excited about next season already!
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Thank God
just goes to show you that Reid doesn’t base his decisions on BGN consensus opinion…
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
I'm really on the fence
But the fence is leaning towards of disproval and letdown underneath my weight because of all of the names like moss, perry, etc. I don’t know anything about Castillo on the defensive side and that’s why Im leaning toward disproval. If someone can give some background on Castillo on the defense, I think I can change my feelings. I just don’t know enough about Castillo’s defensive history to have a strong reaction.
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"beat the man in front of you, then attempt to seriously injure the quarterback."
"Reidtard" for president!!!!
Sending pics of your junk > dog killing > generally being a douche > sexual assault allegations > being on the Cowboys.
Castillo played LB in college and USFL
From 1982-1989 Castillo was Lb coach or DC at high school, lower level college. Since 1990 has coached offense.
According to Reid Castillo was a regular participant in Defense meetings with JJ to help determine gameplan, or general strategy.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
Rec'd
You are the voice of reason. And intelligence.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
I dont know how anyone can be upset by this move. At this point, we should all be in the middle…and take the wait and see approach.
If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
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by GreenInBaltimore on Feb 3, 2011 11:42 AM EST reply actions
REC'D
Nice read!
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by STRAIGHTOYOURFACE on Feb 4, 2011 3:53 AM EST reply actions
What do we have in common with the Readskins and the Bengels?
Well, if you didn’t know its that we don’t have any Superbowl rings either. (Skins have like 3 or something, but none since 91.)
If you don’t want to be pessimistic, then don’t. I certainly understand where you coming from there. It gets old, real fast.
But come on, you can’t be serious. Are you really hyped that our offensive line coach, who hasn’t coach defense in 20 years, is now running our defense. You could be, but I feel that you are probably lying to yourself, or your a Reid nuthugger.
We talked about this before, Juan isn’t one of the “best in the business,” at least from where I am sitting. Did you not see our abysmal pass/run blocking this year? No where near the best. Wasn’t that one of the reasons, if not thee reason Vick is now our man? Kolb couldn’t last, or at least we couldn’t run the same offense that Reid loves with him and that terrible line of ours.
Have you not seen the last five seasons? Maybe we have “one of the top offenses,” or whatever, but I know that I saw us struggle for five years getting a push in the red zone. WTF? You think all of that midnight oil burnt would help the guy figure that one out. He didn’t.
I heard that Peters was a beast in the run game when we picked him up. I have only seen glimpses of this. Well, I can tell you that some days I am awesome at math, but that doesn’t make me a good math problem solver over the long term.
I am not going to belabor this point, but I am not happy at all with this move. Could it work? Sure. Is it probable that most offensive coordinators with a lot of experience are going to be enjoying a huge advantage in some situations? Yeah, I think so.
Finally, this is Andy Reidtards’ fault. Dude cannot for the life of him understand clock management. This problem has been going on for years. He hasn’t won my heart over with his resume, which is riddled with weak ass conference wins during the early years.This guy is a fraud. And unlike Charlie Manual who hired himself a lot of smart baseball coaches and put them around him, Reidtard just keeps stockpiling Yesmen, and he continues with the same old. Which hasn’t been all that because when we did go to the SB, he got outcoached, and our QB looked lost in the 4th quarter. Not something I like to see in the guy everyone loves here.
PS. Don’t get this confused with the Steelers and their consistency. Dick LaBeau is the man down there, and as far as I am concerned he is the one intangible that has kept the Steelers going strong. And they draft better too.
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