Football Outsiders: Dimitri Patterson Is Awful
by JasonB on Feb 19, 2011 12:22 PM EST
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PrintThis article was pointed out in the fanshots during the week, but I thought it deserved some extra weekend discussion. Football Outsider's Mike Tanier write a piece on the Eagles historically bad red zone defense last year. He does an interesting drive by drive analysis that I recommend you check out, but I wanted to grab a few thoughts from his conclusion.
Dimitri Patterson is awful. He hustles, and he is not bad in run support, but the guy was overmatched last year. McDermott spent a lot of energy not just hiding Patterson in red zone coverage, but protecting Lindley when Samuel was hurt while making sure the 5-foot-9 Hanson didn't cover any 6-foot-4 receivers.
Clearly the Eagles need to add a corner or two this offseason. Trevard Lindley is young and can improve, but guys like DImitri Patterson and Joselio Hanson are who they are, which are fringe players. Now, onto another obvious area of need that hurt us...
The linebackers didn't show up well in the drives I watched. Sims is a fast, aggressive player, but he is also mistake-prone, and too much was expected of him in coverage. Fokou is a stopgap defender. Chaney appears to have a lot of potential, and he may be the best option for covering backs and tight ends in the red zone. Bradley is a run defender and pass rusher who will get in trouble if asked to cover Arian Foster-types. The Eagles need an upgrade at linebacker, but you can say that every year.
Again, no kidding. The linebackers aren't good enough. If you read his in depth analysis, you'll see Ernie Sims pop up more than anyone else. It wasn't all players though, Tanier did note a lot of scheme problems. Namely some poorly timed blitzes, some really bad zone coverage that put WRs on LBs in the red zone constantly, and the use of a base defense on the goal line(rather than a goal line D).
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i specifically watched Sims during the GB playoff game
while in the stands.. My god he was just so bad, just a huge lack of football instincts.
You wonder if t hings would be different if we had a legit starter opposite side of Samuel last year?
OK let’s get namdi
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by 92-74-99-96 on Feb 19, 2011 12:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
sims is a shark in the water, bro.
watch out.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
Yeah he was during training camp
But didn’t do anything during the season. He was blowing up guys in training camp…WTF happened?
"Get 'Em"
by FlyEagles15 on Feb 19, 2011 4:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Biggest reason I want sims gone
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Feb 19, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
I keep telling you guys...
…that Sims’ failures are more a schematic problem than they are a problem created by his ineptness. If you get Sims in a place where he can just attack, or at worst, react, he is fine. If he has to first think about what his role in a particular scheme is, he will be terrible. Ironically, this is true for probably 90% of NFL players. McD turned the “shark” into a dolphin.
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With that being said
Do you think he’s given another chance next season? I mean, we have NO depth at LB.
"Get 'Em"
by FlyEagles15 on Feb 21, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
I did too
I kept asking myself “WHAT THE HELL IS SIMS DOING?” on so many plays.
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Ernie Sims had higher expectations than Bradley IMO. .. Mostly due to draft-status, but mainly due to the training camp hype he accumulated. In turn, he def proved to be a MAJOR disappointment. .. How many big hits did Sims whip up?
Dimitri stays. .. Perfect back-up/ flex player. Had we picked up the secondary coach from Chi. I def believe Smith from Colorado would be a prime target. Believing less and less in Nnamdi coming to town; more in Bailey or Joseph.
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by Illadelphia-Braintrust on Feb 19, 2011 12:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Bailey
would be ok for a guy to pick up for a couple years, but he wants to shift to safety eventually and I hope we let him go at that point. Bailey + a prospect in the draft to go with lindley, I wouldnt be crying about our CB siutation next year the way I was about Smellis Hobbs.
I think we will sign Nnamdi because Reid realizes they have take a major PR drop this offseason due to some questionable moves that need to work out or he will soon be run out of town. Nnamdi will get the fanbase excited about this defense, juan or no juan. I just think Andy knew when it was time to make a FA splash before, he definitely realizes it now. TO was a great signing when we needed him, Kearse should have been – his breakout year ended in what week 2? I swear he was going to have so many sacks that year, he had 3 or 4 already when he got hurt – Reid knew to get Asante….. he wants Nnamdi…. oh he wants Nnamdi
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Feb 19, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
When I read this the first time, what jumped out at me was FO’s analysis of the plays that initially got our opponents into the red zone week after week.
It stuck in my head because it really resonated. It felt like it happened every week: the opponents mange to get the ball to midfield, and then complete a 25-30 yard pass to a wideout who’s matched up with a linebacker in zone coverage to move them into scoring position. At times it felt like any time a team put together a scoring drive against our defense, one of those plays was a key ingredient.
While upgrading our RCB spot is definitely a priority, I feel like finding a linebacker with decent coverage ability is also important. Our LB play has been abysmal for the past two years. Problem is, while I don’t doubt for a moment that the Eagles will pay big bucks for a top corner or offensive lineman, they absolutely refuse to invest any significant resources on linebackers. So really, our only hope of getting a good one might be to get lucky late in the draft (Chaney or Clayton might fall into this category, depending on how they develop).
by licensetochill on Feb 19, 2011 12:46 PM EST reply actions
Clayton definitely has the speed to be a good cover LB, but we just haven’t had a chance to see if he has the talent yet.
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chaney too
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Feb 19, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Dimitri Patterson
I think Patterson had a decent yr. U got to understand eagles put their corners on islands, hardly never double cover. I think he needs more reps and he studies a lot of film. He was a utility player got moved around a lot before he got the starting job. Corners on the out side get picked on more in a 4-3 than 3-4, cause there r linebackers in the flats in 3-4. Remember every corner had a weakness and sometimes u can’t blame players if their not put in the right schemes to make plays! Team Effort !
by pragit on Feb 19, 2011 1:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The Answer Is No
Patterson did NOT have a decent year, he’s a liability and he needs to go. You can only blame the schemes so much, these guys are pros and they’re supposed to adjust. Patterson couldn’t. He’s a scrapper, but it doesn’t do him any good. He gets the occasional pick, sure, but how many times did he get flagged because his man beat him on his route, and he had to pull some nonsense just to stop him?
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He's a great gunner.
I’d love to keep him around to play STs for us. He’s a phenomenal ST coverage guy.
I just don’t want him playing above dime corner if he’s only the field.
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Patterson played as well as a journeyman forced into extended action could play. …
-insert scheme rhetoric.
-insert pass-rush rhetoric.
-insert Patterson being a bum rhetoric.
Pleased w/ his play this year, and his play the season before filling in for Asante. . If anything, it makes Janson expendable/ trade-bait. Was never a big fan of the guy especially at that salary.
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by Illadelphia-Braintrust on Feb 19, 2011 1:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I don't mind Mmmbop
But he has no business on the outside. He can be a good nickel corner, but recently he’s seemed less good at that, too.
I think Lindley could end up a strong nickel corner.
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Totally with you on hanson
hope we can get something for him if we decide to move him
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Feb 19, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
ACtually, FO felt the defensive line played well in the red zone.
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But hypothetically
You would be fine with going DE in round 1? DT?
Cuz if you look at this draft, D-line is stacked at the top… O-line is weak at the top
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Feb 19, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
I would prefer it over O-line
I think there’s more O-line value at the very bottom of 1st round our into the second round. Are these O-line prospects really worht pick 23? I havent seen one who compares to some of the D-lineman that should be there.
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Feb 19, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
In some cases yes, but the article points out a lot of poorly timed blitzes and ill conceived zone coverages too.
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Like I said when McDermott was fired, you don’t have a red zone defense that is this historically bad without help from everyone.
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there were times when I saw McDermott's formations and blitzes pre-snap
and just knew it was already a lost cause… worst part is it was often on 3rd down.
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Feb 19, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly...
…and until these players have a season to be evaluated where the “scheme” isn’t a complete joke, I feel it unfair to lump judgement on them. You can take any of the second corners on teams with one dominant corner and I’m certain that they ALL looked terrible at times during the year. Even Cromartie’s play was being criticized after Revis got back. When teams basically refuse to go to one side of the field, it means they are going to turn all of their attention to the other side and use every trick in the book because if they cant complete a pass to that side then their passing attack will be shut down. Patterson was not nearly as bad as he’s being made out to be.
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