Cleveland Browns Fans Not Clamoring For Kevin Kolb
by JasonB on Feb 1, 2011 12:02 PM EST
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PrintSince reports leaked out that the Eagles may look to trade Kevin Kolb this offseason, writers covering teams with suspect QB situations have started to weigh in/take the the pulse of the fans on a possible trade of Kolb to their team. One such team is the Cleveland Browns. Cleveland would appear to be a fit for a Kolb for a couple reasons. One, their QB situation isn't settled despite the fact that Colt McCoy showed some flashes, former Eagles GM Tom Heckert was part of the team that drafted Kolb and has spoken highly of him, Browns head coach Pat Shurmur has coached Kolb and will be looking to install the exact Andy Reid style west coast offense that Kolb already knows. Plus, Andy Reid and Mike Holmgren are friends and the teams have done deals together in the past.
So the Cleveland Plain-Dealer ran a poll on their website asking Browns fans if they would be happy to see a trade for Kolb? After 4,000 votes, it's 75% against and 25% for. Clearly Browns fans are not excited about the prospect of KK.
In a lot of ways I can understand. They already have a young QB in Colt McCoy, who while not particularly impressive, probably did enough that no one is going to call him a bust just yet. Plus, given that they just invested a 2nd 3rd rounder in McCoy and spent a first rounder on Brady Quinn recently, it's understandable that the fanbase would be gunshy about spending yet another high pick on a QB. Frankly, I can't blame them.
Of course, let's also not discount the nature of just being a fan. For a lot of people, the mere suggestion that some other teams' player is better than yours is blasphemy and clearly Kolb is a no talent loser that the Eagles are trying to pawn off on some unsuspecting team desperate for a QB. Of course, when your team actually does trade for him... he becomes a nearly can't miss prospect destined for a career that's maybe not quite Joe Montana, but probably better than Dan Marino.
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Pay too much attention to what the fans think
and you’ll be joining them soon. I forget who said that, but it goes double when considering the results of an online poll.
Kolb has ability, and I for one will hate to see him go, though I do think Vick is better. Kolb has sat most of his learning years, and is entering his peak years, similar to the Aaron Rogers path. I don’t think he’ll be Rogers, who is? but I do think he’ll have several years of high quality football in front of him in this league.
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by NJBammer on Feb 1, 2011 12:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
they're Browns fans
their team has been horrible for a while now.
good teams build through the draft, and sign free agents to compliment.
they aren’t “there” yet.
"This is one of the top 10 biggest bonehead trades in the history of the NFL."
-Redskins TE Chris Cooley
Meh
Not so sure he would succeed there. I don’t know how good their OL is as pass protection, something he would definitely need to be successful. That and talented WRs.
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I think this Kolb business...
…is yet another example of the fans overvaluing some of Andy’s draft picks. If I had a time machine, I would give it to Andy so he could have not wasted that pick on Kolb and just taken Anthony Spencer instead. Whatever we can get for Kolb we should just take. He is Reggie Brown at this point.
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Cowboys fans unhappy with Spencer
For the most part. So maybe a 3rd option. 49ers fans don’t want Kolb, either.
by donniethelion on Feb 1, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
McCoy
He was drafted in the 3rd round, 85th overall.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Feb 1, 2011 12:25 PM EST reply actions
I think McCoy was drafted in the 2nd round. I could be wrong though.
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Nope
I looked it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_mccoy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NFL_Draft
To be honest I thought he was drafted way later. I remember Mack Brown just hanging around and doing some of the commentary waiting for McCoy to get drafted.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Feb 1, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
There was a McCoy drafted in the 2nd round the year before.
So, in a sense, you are right.
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No he slipped pretty damn far.
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No surprise there at all...
There aren’t going to be fans of ANY team that are in love with the idea of trading for Kevin Kolb, and the reason why is pretty simple – They’ve never seen him play well.
In Kolb’s 2 stellar performances (Chiefs, Falcons), neither was broadcast widely throughout the US. In another game in which he played very well (Saints), same thing.
Conversely, EVERYBODY saw him crap the bed against the Packers Week 1. Everybody saw his mediocre game against the Redskins. Plus, when you include the Ravens game a few years ago and the Dallas game in which he was playing with the JV team, his career stats get messed up.
The perception of him outside of Philly is much more negative than the way he’s viewed by the folks that watch the Eagles every week, which is kind of funny, because the exact opposite was true of Donovan McNabb.
Great post
and you hit the nail on the head. and with mcnabb everyone else just saw his highlight reel plays but missed the hop passes, ones 1 yard behind the WR, and the deep bombs that Jackson had to slow down to a halt to catch..
Same thing with Kolb, but in reverse, good catch and point
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Agree in part
But here’s what I’m thinking. It’s really Kolb or McCoy, right? So maybe Cleveland fans are thinking that they already spent a relatively high pick on McCoy and that would be wasted if they went for Kolb, not to mention that Kolb costs them at least another high pick. Maybe they’ve seen enough from McCoy to be optimistic.
I’d like to see polls from other “suitors”, ones where they are most definitely looking to change QBs. In this case it is Kolb vs drafting a QB. If they are 75-25 then I would say that you are right. If not, then I would attribute it at least in part for the fans wanting to see McCoy get a chance.
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you mean to tell me
If a game isn’t on national television, that FO’s of other market teams don’t see all the same tape?
Come on. They’ve all seen the NFC player of the week tape. They know just as much as we know about kevin kolb- which is less than the organization but more than, say, a Browns fan.
He’ll command a 2nd round pick in the least, and Andy’ll move him to a team where he’ll find limited shaublike success. Unless the vikes get him, which they’d have to overpay. And they might.
2010-11 Predictions:
Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.
Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith
Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks
11-5 finish.
by corn on the kolb on Feb 2, 2011 12:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
McCoy was a 3rd round pick, not a 2nd rounder.
He was drafted one pick before DTO. I think we would have picked him if he wasn’t selected by the Browns.
In Kolb we trust
I don’t blame Browns fans, I think McCoy is going to be the best QB out of last year’s class, surpassing Sam Bradford one day maybe….
Kolb is good too, but you’d think he’d make more sense on the Cardinals or 49ers.
It takes approx 20-25 games for a qb to get "settled in"
and have the game slow down.. he has shown he has the ability to be a good quarterback in the league with only 6 starts. by start 20 he should be a very good quarterback
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Browns fans
Have a point if they are not excited about the possibility of having to give a relatively unknown commodity a huge contract in order ot keep Kolb long-term and the possibility of having to give up 2 relatively high draft picks this year (and likely next) to get him.
Can't blame Browns fans
I’d be content going forward with McCoy and not really see the benefit of giving up something substantial in draft picks for Kolb. Now, I wonder what fans of teams like Miami, San Fran, Minny might think?
by 1stStateEagleFan on Feb 1, 2011 1:01 PM EST reply actions
Browsn 2011 picks
1 7 (7)
2 6 (38)
2 27 (59) from Dallas through Philadelphia
3 21 (85) from New England through Oakland
3 28 (92) from NY Jets
5 29 (160) from NY Jets
6 8 (177)
6 17 (186) from Carolina
No way Kolb gets the #7 pick but it gets more interesting because of the high 2nd round pick at #38.
Personally, the Browns would be better off just using their draft choices tor rebuild through the draft because I don’t think Kolb is a franchise difference maker at QB and only an upgrade (think Schaub type ceiling).
For a team with as many needs on both sides of the ball as the Browns, you are better off buidling through the draft this year with 5 picks in the first 3 rounds and using that money on a selective FA or two.
shaub ceiling
Isn’t too bad, btw, so long as your front office surrounds you with talent. There’s still holes in Houston, but they’re coming along.
But I agree, if someone, say buffalo or carolina end up with kolb, he’ll be in a wasteland with very little water.
2010-11 Predictions:
Kevin Kolb will go to the probowl and complete >65% of passes.
Jeremy Maclyn will have more receptions than Miles Austin & Steve Smith
Graham will have the starting LDE spot tied up by week 5, win ROTY, and have >10 Sacks
11-5 finish.
by corn on the kolb on Feb 2, 2011 12:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Too bad it doesnt matter what the fans think
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by Djax10 on Feb 1, 2011 1:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The point was
Do you think the Browns FO cares if the majority of fans don’t want Kevin Kolb? They will do what they think is best for the team, not what the fans think is best for the team.
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What KK lacks in arm strength and athletic ability compared with Aaron Rodgers, he makes it up with great work ethic and leadership qualities.
Right now, if I were a Browns fan, I don’t know if I’d be sold on KK either especially when McCoy has shown flashes of becoming a decent starting QB. So I wouldn’t count on KK going to the Browns anytime soon.
Even if we find a suitor for KK, I don’t see anything happening until draft day… unless some team becomes really desperate. Of course, all this talk is moot unless a new CBA is signed soon.
What KK lacks in arm strength and athletic ability compared with Aaron Rodgers, he makes it up with great work ethic and leadership qualities.
Sorry dude but with all due respect, what makes you so confident that Aaron Rodgers has poor work ethic and poor leadership? Im not sure where you would get such a thought, but from what Ive read and seen from Rodgers is EXACTLY that – Great work ethic and great leadership skills (many of his teammates have said this of him). Add on top of this arm strenght and athletic ability and he’s pretty much the full package. Can’t compare these two players, one is significantly better than the other right now.
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Yeah...
…he’s a “high motor man,” alright. I also enjoy how Aaron Rodgers (at least in your skewed perception of the universe) has no work ethic (or at least a lackluster one that would allow shitsack Kolb to somehow “catch him” in skill set).
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who do you think is the bigger waste
KK or DTO?
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Why is it...
that it seems like suddenly, if a rookie QB doesn’t turn a franchise around, they’re a bust? Every time I read about a rookie McCoy, Clausen, etc they’re all deemed a bust after one year and I just don’t get it. Did I miss the period of time where a rookie QB goes through a transition period of learning and offense and executing properly?
Yeh
At least give him 4 years behind a great QB, a great coach after which you can promote him, call him the next messiah, watch him get injured in his first start as the #1 QB, then demote him for a guy thats been in jail for 2 years, then call him a bust….oops sorry I mean trade him for three 1st round picks….
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i’m honestly not sure what you’re talking about, I was referring to last years rookies and how there is no transition period anymore. I just find it ridiculous that all these teams are hunting for a new QB after throwing a rookie into a starting job and watching him fail or not live up to whatever asinine expectations they’re held to.
Im just kiddin around dude...
Did you not notice that everything I said related to Kevin Kolb? You must of missed yesterdays’ posts.
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Why would they?
They have McCoy, and they have much better things to use their picks on then a guy who is only considered good in Philly.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
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