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How Our Draft Could Play Out-QBs


For the purpose of this article I'm going to assume we end up with 8th pick the draft. Read my thoughts on what might happen with key positions we need during the draft. I am going to break my article in parts so it does not become cumbersome to read. I will start with QB and move on accordingly.

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While QB is not our most glaring need, the QB depth in this year's draft is too tempting to pass up on. That being said, Vick is getting old and he takes a lot of hits. Vick is also injury prone so we need to prepare should the worst should happen. I'm not knocking on Vick but the fact is he is probably going to last a couple more years in the NFL. We should start developing a QB now in case he gets injured so someone can step in OR develop a franchise QB that becomes the face of the Eagles. Think Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees etc.

Quarterback Possibilities:

1.) Andrew Luck- He is considered the holy grail of the draft. However if the Eagles were to get him they would most likely have to give up a king's ransom to get him. Archie Manning has stated that Andrew Luck and Peyton Manning can't stay on the same team together because both are very good QBs. Now Archie Manning is not on the Colts front office at all but it got me thinking. Do the Colts need to draft a QB with the 1st overall pick? They could trade their 1st overall pick for a boatload of draft picks. The Colts have more issues than QB and they would be wise to trade their 1st overall pick. I'm not saying the Eagles should give up half their draft to get him but the possibility is there

2.) Matt Barkley- I believe he is considered the 2nd best QB in the draft. He is a terrific pocket passer with great arm strength. In some respects he is a QB built in the prototype of Tom Brady and Payton Manning. His downside is that he is not really mobile and he is from USC. Nothing against USC, but out of the QBs that come from USC only Carson Palmer has been ok. Still he is projected to go 5th in the draft and its projected the Redskins might try to get him

3.) Robert Griffin III- A fan favorite around BGN and a Heisman finalist, RGIII reminds me of Vick lite. I don't think he is going to to go in the first round like people are speculating. RGIII is a bit raw and if he runs a lot he could be injury prone due to his slender body type. He also seems to lose track of his receivers as he rolls out of the pocket and does not read plays well. However he is really mobile and throws a beautiful deep ball. He also is more accurate than Vick. He may not come out this year which may be in his best interests. However I'm sure if Andy Reid gets his hands on him he could become potentially a better version of Vick

4.) Russell Wilson- If the Eagles really want to wait on QB they would be wise to pick up Russell Wilson from Wisconsin. He is currently projected to go 4-5 in the draft but he in my opinion is an underrated QB. At one time he was a Heisman candidate but I believe he can be developed into an excellent QB for the Eagles. Wilson is mobile and accurate. He can extend plays as he moves around in the pocket. He may be considered a bit of a project and he won't be a 2nd string QB at first. But with Andy Reid training him I'm sure he can become a good if not great QB.

In all likelihood I don't see the Eagles drafting a QB in the first round unless someone falls to our lap. I'm going against the curve and say we shouldn't draft RGIII unless he falls into the mid-second round. I say we should go for Russell Wilson because he is a good QB that comes later so we can draft our more pressing needs like Safety or LB. However, if someone like Matt Barkley falls into our lap, we should take it.

-I know I have not addressed other QBs like Landry Jones or Brandon Weeden. If you feel like I should have noted them let me know in the comment section

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I don’t think RG3 makes it out of the top ten

by con-vick on Dec 8, 2011 11:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

He's projected late 1st early 2nd. The heisman nom helps him though

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Look what happened last year: gabbert, ponder, locker, all top 15 picks, and I think RG3 is rated higher than all 3

by con-vick on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think there was a higher need of QB last year though

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

maybe

But I think there are always teams starving for a QB: washington, kansas city, browns, miami

by con-vick on Dec 8, 2011 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree

Washington desperately needs a QB
The browns might draft one too

but I think Kansas won’t after Orton and Cassel

Miami like matt moore right now but I wouldn’t be surprised if they draft another qb

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Projections are dumb, where are you getting that from anyways? He has been better than Luck this year and is very much in the conversation to be the 2nd QB drafted (and be a top 5 pick).

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by d-jackfan10 on Dec 8, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Okkkkkkkk

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Stats wise yes RG3 has been much better than Luck, that’s why he’s going to win the Heisman.
But in terms of QB play the comparisons aren’t even close.

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by drc242 on Dec 8, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s pretty close. In terms of pro-readiness and fundamentals, Luck has the advantage but RGIII carried Baylor while Luck had a very strong running game and defense that Stanford relied upon heavily.

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by d-jackfan10 on Dec 8, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by Clint Eastwood on Dec 8, 2011 2:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This

ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th

Namdey Asomgua sucks.We should have signed Antoneo Cromote so he could have taught his brother, cousin, son or however they are related how to play in teh slotz.I also h8 his nice guy act. I herd he blows through teh hoes faster than runningbacks thru our dfense.
by Snax on Oct 5, 2011 11:02 AM PDT

Shady is the best RB in the NFL not AP
he is the real deal, that dude scares me to death more than anyone on that team besides Vick with time to throw the ball
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by ChiaCrack on Nov 5, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

by EagleEyes on Dec 8, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Stanford WR's

are atrocious. Decent TE’s, very good Oline. But Baylor WR’s are better then Stanfords

by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Dec 9, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

and i think he would be a perfect fit here

Andy can run the same type of offense, he throws a great deep ball, draft him to sit for 2 seasons, and he probably ends up playing 3 or 4 games during those seasons anyway and we have a back up that can win

by con-vick on Dec 8, 2011 11:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think so too but it depends where he is when we draft

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think the Eagles are going to draft a QB at all this year, unless a completely new regime comes in. With Vick on the team, I don’t see a first-round QB being drafted, and with Kafka still being young, I don’t envision a late-rounder either. I think the Eagles will wait until 2013 to go for a QB.

by Rujasu on Dec 8, 2011 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

Huh what?
He also seems to lose track of his receivers as he rolls out of the pocket and does not read plays well

Did you watch many Baylor games this year? That’s about as an inaccurate statement as can be made. As an alum of a Big 12 school, I have seen more of this guy than I care to remember.

This years production from RG3

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/378497/robert-griffin-iii

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by djthekidd on Dec 8, 2011 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

I meant to say

he struggles on reading progressions at times

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Rg3 is a top 10 pick

so you need to find an updated draft site to regurgitate from

And Ryan Tannehill is going to be legit, I want him here.

by Mc5 on Dec 8, 2011 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

He isn't

There are other PLAYERS better than him as a QB yeah he is. But he is not a top 10 draft pick.

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Fact is

He WILL be a top 10 pick. Whether you like him or not he’s going to be taken in the top 10.

by Mc5 on Dec 8, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I honestly like the guy

I will have no problems at all if we draft him. I just think there are other people who may be taken over him based on team needs in the top 10.

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

And how

Is Russell Wilson projected as your 4th QB? Can he turn out good? Yes. Should he be listed ahead of Jones, Tannehill, Foles, etc.. no.

by Mc5 on Dec 8, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

Not Tannehill but most certainly Landry Jones and Nick Foles, especially Nick Foles. Nick Foles sucks ass.

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by d-jackfan10 on Dec 8, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't post by rank

I just mention him as a possibility

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Landry Jones is the next Brady Quinn

I felt like destroying something beautiful

by drc242 on Dec 8, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

But does Landry have a sister that looks like him in drag like Brady Quinn?

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by djthekidd on Dec 8, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

AJ Hawk and his sister are two ugly ass people.

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by d-jackfan10 on Dec 8, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Making stuff up FTW! Griffin is not a running QB, he is a QB who runs. And he is incredible at throwing on the move and shows no signs of “losing his targets”.

Oh and we don’t need a QB, in case you didn’t notice, we have bigger needs than a back-up QB to Michael Vick.

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by d-jackfan10 on Dec 8, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

Like a 3rd TE…

We need a QB of the future considering we only are stuck with Vick for 1 more season and he cannot be counted on to stay healthy, so its a waste of time to give meaningful snaps to rental backups like Vince Young.

by Mc5 on Dec 8, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

We’re only keeping Vick for one more year? You’re insane.

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by d-jackfan10 on Dec 8, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

We can get out of his contract in a year. And if you think we are dumping Andy no coach is going to want to come into a team with a bi-polar QB on the wrong side of 30. He’s not improved at all this season.

by Mc5 on Dec 8, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

This

If there is a new coach when Andy’s deal is up, he will want to bring in “his guy” to play QB. That’s generally how these things turn out.

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by djthekidd on Dec 8, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really.

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by d-jackfan10 on Dec 8, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I do mention we have other needs

I know you have a hard on for TE’s though

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

This guy…

In that mock I had the Eagles draft Dwayne Allen because DeSean Jackson left. If DeSean Jackson were to leave there would need to be an emphasis placed on the short to intermediate passing game because a lot of the flaws and inefficiencies in that area are covered up by DeSean clearing out defenders. Not only that, but Dwayne Allen would receive some of DeSean’s left over targets and be a more reliable target who more consistently makes grabs. Oh and if DeSean were to leave, LeSean McCoy would take on an even more prominent role and blocking for him would need to be even better and Dwayne Allen would be a significant upgrade over Celek as a blocker. And if you really need to see what a good 2 TE offense can do, look at what the Patriots, Panthers and 49ers are doing with theirs. Good tight ends are really helpful to a team, they provide blocking on the perimeter and they provide a safety valve over the middle.

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by d-jackfan10 on Dec 8, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

This Guy...

Does not like people disagreeing with him because he thinks (like D-jack himself ) as a football god. Why can’t we get a deep threat? Who can do both? Who is Vick gonna throw to when Maclin is double teamed? I don’t know if you saw the Cardinals game but our offense did not look scary with DeSean not there? I understand your desire for a TE but don’t draft one in the first round

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way

LeSean is in a pretty prominent role right now

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m kind of thinking the Arizona game had a little bit more to do with the fact that Vick broke his ribs, Maclin was hurt (twice) and LeSean McCoy was given the ball like 8 times.

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by d-jackfan10 on Dec 8, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Either way we still need two explosive receivers on our offense

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Vick doesn't use his TE

just look at his Atlanta days he never threw to his TE…..oh wait….

by CSJones on Dec 8, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

when your only other options are Peerless Price and random other guys, you tend to lock into the one guy who is getting open and hanging onto the ball. Alge Crumpler as a receiver dwarfs Celek as a receiver (overall body of work)

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by Talon Talent on Dec 9, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed

crumpler >>>>celek

but the point is that it wouldnt be stupid to draft a TE in the first round if you thought he could turn into a great TE since Vick has shown that he can utilize a TE in the past

by CSJones on Dec 9, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

mostly agreed

but it would have to be Sharpe or Gonzalez 2 with all the other glaring holes we have. If we were settled at most other places, a Finley type would be acceptable.

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by Talon Talent on Dec 9, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont see them going TE first round

but if we do I would give it the benefit of the doubt

by CSJones on Dec 9, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

RG3 is a young version of what Teve Young morphed into; an accurate passer that could run if necessary. He’s what I had hoped Vick would become with Andy as his teacher.

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by djthekidd on Dec 8, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Steve*

Stupid iPad

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by djthekidd on Dec 8, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

So you’re saying He needs the greatest wr to throw to , in order to be good?

by Saidrick on Dec 8, 2011 1:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No

But it enhances our offense greatly. Either you have a group of WR that can catch or you have two standouts

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

In all seriousness ...

The eagles are taking a rt with their first pick. I dOn’t like the pick but that’s what they’re going to do. Really wish we’d draft a linebacker in the first but that’s like wishing for an honest politician.

by Saidrick on Dec 8, 2011 1:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with this. Their history does not bode well for a stud LB in the first round. Hopefully i am wrong and the FO pressure about this season will give them cause to do something different. But I have my doubts.

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by djthekidd on Dec 8, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

What do you mean by history?

like linebackers the Eagles have drafted or 1st round Lb?

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

History in that Andy will go with both lines, then WR and then trade out of the 1st before he will draft an LB.

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by djthekidd on Dec 8, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, he’s happy to go LB in the second round. It just doesn’t typically go well when he does. Say what you want about his tendency to wait for rounds 5-7 to go LB, but I’d take Rolle, Chaney, and Fokou over Gardner, Caver, and Matt McCoy any day of the week…

by Rujasu on Dec 9, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

and why RT?

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Because we don’t have a good One. Eagles love to draft tackles in the first round. Five in the last fifteen years.

by Saidrick on Dec 8, 2011 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

herremans isn't bad though

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

btw I didn't mean he straight up runs

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He is from USC

wouldn’t be surprised

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by rohan915 on Dec 8, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

u have to draft a qb if u have a chance

Yes vick is our qb now, but the draft is about building for the future, I’d rather be set at QB(the most important position in the game) for the next 12 years, than be set at wr, or mlb

by con-vick on Dec 8, 2011 2:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Ok

So if you draft QB in the 1st round, whats Vick going to think about that? When we drafted Kolb in the 2nd, there was a bunch of tension with him and McNabb. So, you want to draft Vick in the first and Vick is suppose to think he will be the QB for the Eagles the next 5 years? Hardly. No chance we draft QB in first round

by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Dec 9, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Doesn’t matter what vick thinks, mcnabb still took us to the playoffs after we drafted kolb, players know its a business, maybe vick plays better knowing he has a good young QB waiting behind him, also that would give us a top backup QB for the next 2-3 years that could get us 2-3 wins a season when vick gets hurt

by con-vick on Dec 9, 2011 7:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I’m fixing a hole where the rain gets in.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Dec 8, 2011 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

I dont want another rushing QB. I want a big guy like Rodgers or Rothleisberger that can stay in the pocket and rush for a first down if needed.

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by andyb on Dec 8, 2011 6:51 PM EST reply actions  

Rodgers isn’t big and can run as well.

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by djthekidd on Dec 8, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Wonder if..

We could get Mallett from Pats instead of drafting a Q.B.

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by hopinpa on Dec 8, 2011 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

Ryan Mallett

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by djthekidd on Dec 8, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

No chance we draft QB in first round

So Mike Vick was just given a big contract to be our QB for the next 6 years. After year 2 of this contract, Eagles take a QB in the 1st round. So, Vick will be more then happy to play his ass off for the Eagles next year so he can be replaced by the QB we would HAVE to play? Seriously? I know his guaranteed money is up after next year and we could just cut him. But to me, it just doesnt make any sense. I know everyone is worried about his age (not sure why cause he still has his athleticism) and being injury prone (legit concern) but if we draft QB in 1st we are giving up on Vick and next year would be a wash. Plus, i’m SUUURREEE Vick would be more then happy to mentor the QB we bring in. Teach him all the ins and outs so he could replace Vick half way through season. Cause thats realistic. OH, and you better get whatever QB you draft right (RG3 is 2nd best QB in draft, so i do agree if there is one to draft, its him)

One part of Djax offseason post I liked was Devon Still. He is a beast. Not sure we go with DT, but he could be BPA. Hate the Allen pick tho. Still dont understand how an average TE would replace Desean over the middle since he hasnt gone over the middle in a year. But Still is a monster

by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Dec 9, 2011 2:14 PM EST reply actions  

I like Barkley as much as Luck RGIII is a gamble in some sense.

Joe Banner is Evil Banners father. Kinda like Luke and Darth Vader.

Juan Castillo switching from the offensive line coach to Defensive coordinator is soooo dumb it might just work.

Our defense will not be a top 10 defense this year.

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