What is Our Biggest Need?
by griffeagles on Dec 5, 2011 2:49 PM EST
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I’m going to start off by saying that I don’t know the answer to this question. As of today (12/5) the Eagles have the 8th pick in the draft. I’m not saying we’re going to stay there but we will probably finish in between the 7th and 13th pick in upcoming draft.
The Eagles big needs in my mind are WR, LB, and a QB for the future. This class has so many talented QBs that I think now would be a good time to invest in one (see Packers: Aaron Rodgers). But what position is most important, and should be addressed first? I’m going off the assumption that Steve Smith and DeSean Jackson will not be wearing midnight green next year. If that is the case, WR is something the Eagles will target in the draft.
Some big name wide receivers coming are Justin Blackmon and Alshon Jeffery. Justin Blackmon is a playmaker, who has 35 TDs in the last 2 years I believe. Jeffery is big (6’4") which is desperately what the Eagles need – a big receiver who can catch that fade in the red zone that the Giants run so perfectly. I highly doubt both of these guys are available when the Eagles are on the clock, but if one has slipped down, do we take a shot?
No explanation needed here, LB is a huge hole in this defense that must be addressed in the offseason. There have been many names tossed around including Luke Kuechly, Zach Brown, Manti Te’o, and Vontaze Burfict. I don’t watch all these players play but I’m able to get an understanding of what each of them brings to the table. Kuechly just won the Butkus Award, which has proven to display high quality linebackers; he got 197 tackles this past year and has set many tackling records. The Eagles definitely need a linebacker who can tackle, because we all know how many missed tackles there has been this year. Now, most people want nothing to do with Vontaze Burfict, but he may be the perfect fit for this defense. The Arizona State prospect has a lot to prove as far as his on and off the field maturity goes, but no one can question his raw ability. He is a physical freak and covers a ton of ground at 6'3" and 250 pounds and he is a punishing hitter. Then there is Te’o who has been a starter at Notre Dame since the day he stepped on the field. That leadership is something that could blossom as an Eagle. Is tackling has room for improvement but besides that, he looks like a stud to be in the NFL. The Eagles historically don’t draft a LB in the first round, and I think the question here becomes, do any of these guys have the possibility of slipping to the 2nd round? If so, the Eagles may address other needs first.
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Onto QB. Jeff McLane noted earlier today that the Eagles are only on the hook for Vick’s contract for one more year, if they decided to let him go they would only be taking a cap hit of about $3-4 million for 2013 and 2014. I’m not saying the Eagles should dump Vick, but there’s no denying he hasn’t been nearly as good as he was last year. I’m not jumping ship yet, still, it’s always smart to be planning ahead, and I don’t believe in Kafka as a franchise type QB. Robert Griffin III is a truly gifted athlete who will change some team very significantly. I’m not sure I’m convinced he is an NFL caliber QB, but he has great pocket presence, accuracy, and mobility. I have no idea where he could go in the draft, but he could be groomed for the future. There are some real talented QBs in the draft this year but the only other one I’m going to talk about is Matt Barkley. He’s had a great year for USC and I definitely see him succeeding in the NFL he is just a true franchise QB.
I have no idea where these players will go, and I have no idea what should be our priority. So please, BGN, what are your thoughts? What position do you feel needs to be addressed first and foremost? We’ll all debate over who it should be, but I think we can all agree if Reid drafts an o-linemen or a defensive end with our first pick we will all cry.
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by JasonB on Dec 5, 2011 3:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Are you saying the biggest need is a kicker?
Vick will go Bad Newz Kennels on that shitass secondary. - EvilBanner
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Dec 7, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
Biggest need? Simple it’s a DC , not going to matter who we draft for defense if Castillo is still the DC. A real answer though is obviously LB.
by bleedgreen89 on Dec 5, 2011 3:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Biggest need?
Heart
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"Sometimes you have to kill the one you are with so you can be with someone better" William Shakespeare
"Nothing shows true love like delivering 16 stab wounds to the jugular" Henry Kissinger
by Talon Talent on Dec 5, 2011 3:52 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
this
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QB
If Andy has time to groom RG3 for a few years he will be unstoppable.
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Dec 5, 2011 4:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The Eagles need to figure out
how to get another first round pick. Trade whomever! We need to get RG3 and Burfict in the first round. Ronnell Lewis and Barron in the second. Sanu or Toon in the 3rd. OT/LB/DT/WR?CB with the remainders.
SANU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is the best WR in the Draft IMO. If anyone has a chance to watch this guy, it’s just wow/
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If you think Sanu is better than Blackmon, Jeffrey, or Floyd…. there’s either something wrong or you’re a Rutgers fan
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Negitive
I have Blackmon and Floyd but not Jeffrey. Don’t get me wrong I think Blackmon is great but Sanu is a freak. No one can match Sanu’s combination of Speed, Route running, Hands, Blocking (unreal blocker), and versatility.
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maybe just desean?
the rams and jags both have young qbs who need a wr. thatd be interesting
Moves like Shady
Desean needs a contract in place to be traded
Odd air in the NFL
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I think it's allowed
BUT, I think you have to follow the standard compensation rules for a franchise player. ( 2 1st rounders).
by Saidrick on Dec 5, 2011 5:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
hell yea its allowed, but this is the new rule under the CBA:
As of the new CBA, the franchise tag offer will be the average of the top paid player at the respective position over the last five seasons. This will actually reduce the amount that a team would need to offer a player.
So he will receive less and 2 first round draft picks as compensation…its gotten better!!
this screams cincinnati all over it for some reason...to be across AJ Green
these guys always like ‘troubled’ players
We swindle the Bengals
who swindled the Raiders. That would make my day. We definitely can get first rounder from the Rams, Bengals, or Jags. Probably the Jags or Bengals since they both need offensive help. Thrown in Asante and we get under the cap without taking the loss.
think about it, they have 2 1st round draft picks
and they are at the top for most money going into the 2012 season
Biggest need
heart! Or a leader that inspires heart. Intelligence. A player who has heart and intelligence. If he is a Lb or a DB or the waterboy this team needs that guy.
Joe Banner is Evil Banners father. Kinda like Luke and Darth Vader.
Juan Castillo switching from the offensive line coach to Defensive coordinator is soooo dumb it might just work.
Our defense will not be a top 10 defense this year.
Long snapper. Dorenbos won’t be around forever.
by groot on Dec 5, 2011 5:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
only way ill be happy in the first round if we dont take any of the top linebackers, is if we take RG3. I think if RG3 is still on the board, we HAVE to take him. We would be absolutely idiotic not to. Other then that though, i say we have to take one of the top LBs. and if desean isnt here next year, which i dont really care if he is or not, we dont need to address WR in the first round. try nick toon in the 2nd or 3rd round to solve the need of a big receiver for the red zone
Depends
This years draft is going to depend on what happens in free agency. Hell we can snag Vjax or Bowe and WR isnt a need or we can somehow trade for jon beason or some big name (dont see it happening). But i see Reid gone and a big name head coach Gruden or Cowher and we sign either a WR or LB.
QB of the future
Vick can probably still keep us competitive now, but we need a QB who can run the type of offense that wins today. We need a QB who can run the no huddle, who can be accurate, read defenses, make adjustments, etc. The QBs who win today can cover their team’s flaws, our QB can be a superstar when the team is playing well but Vick doesn’t rise up when the team struggles and I don’t think we can go another 3 years with all our eggs in his basket.
Drafting in nice and all....
But what about the guys picking the players? The guys who are picking, Graham, Allen, DTO, Coleman, Lindley, Matthews, Sapp as the starters of this team?
Whats the point of having good draft spots when you have mediocre to bad decision makers?
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Dec 6, 2011 11:53 AM EST reply actions
and once again
why some of those picks are indeed wasteful, some you are making judgements on with no real proof. Both Graham and Allen are coming off late season injuries last year. Graham first returned a few weeks ago and with his type of injury a full year is needed to heal properly. Allen had an injury and sure he came back at a pretty good pace, but anybody who has watched this team knows that while his play has been horrible we seen him able to play well last year. Both of these guys could fucking explode next year after more time to recover. As far as Coleman, I don’t know what more you want from a 7th round pick. He is one of the few players that plays his heart out every week. Sure he makes some real boneheaded mistakes but considering his draft position I think he more then earned his money.
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"Sometimes you have to kill the one you are with so you can be with someone better" William Shakespeare
"Nothing shows true love like delivering 16 stab wounds to the jugular" Henry Kissinger
um...
coleman was a 7th round pick, matthews and lindley were 4th round pick, and sapp was a 5th round pick. your point is invalid…these werent “good draft spots”
pass pass pass punt
Thats the point dude. Hes replacing KEY positions with late draft picks…not veterans…late round rookies,…
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Dec 7, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
I say
We trade Jackson to the rams in the hopes they don’t draft blackmon. Then we can hope to get him. Or we can stick to RGIII. Or we can just draft a LB. Then draft Nick Toon then Russell Wilson. No I’m not a Wisconsin fan
I Miss BDAWK
Andy Reid should stay one more year
Shady McCoy is Dirty
actually we might end up
screwing ourselves. Say we traded DeSean to St. Louis, say we get a 2nd and 4th for him, that still leaves the Rams with pick 2. Now if they draft BVlackmon they would have the best deep threat in the league plus a beast WR. That would hurt the NFC for years to come.
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"Sometimes you have to kill the one you are with so you can be with someone better" William Shakespeare
"Nothing shows true love like delivering 16 stab wounds to the jugular" Henry Kissinger
Its likely but why would they draft blackmon when they have two good receivers.
they have other problems
I Miss BDAWK
Andy Reid should stay one more year
Shady McCoy is Dirty
because Brandon lloyd
is an ok receiver but Blackmon has all the tools to be elite, not to mention with the direction still as a passing league, 3 top WR’s are better then 2.
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"Sometimes you have to kill the one you are with so you can be with someone better" William Shakespeare
"Nothing shows true love like delivering 16 stab wounds to the jugular" Henry Kissinger
How about an 30 Day OTA decicated solely to..............
FUCKING TACKLING!!!!!!!
by ILnumber1eaglesfan on Dec 6, 2011 7:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
rec the shit out of this
"I will never have my best season," Brian Dawkins
"Sometimes you have to kill the one you are with so you can be with someone better" William Shakespeare
"Nothing shows true love like delivering 16 stab wounds to the jugular" Henry Kissinger
Wow......
Has Vick REALLY been the problem with these loses? I don’t think so. The first 3 picks of 2012 should be dedicated solely yo the defense. No NFL team can succeed with the number of 5-7 rounders STARTING. LB S LB in that order. Trade D Jackson for a 2nd rounder and sign V jackson to take his place. Trade Samuels for a 3rd and let Marsh get reps at Nickel. Resign Young for another year as backup (trust me he will be available) and draft the QB of the future in 2013. Up grade the LG spot with the Samuels Pick and draft a BIG WR with the Jackson pick. 4th rounder should be used in a run stopping DE either by trade (along with Babin or Graham or straight up). Babin and Graham need to be traded for whatever can be had for them. Babin is a merc and is strictly out for #’s. no need for players like that on this team. Graham is a bust regardless of what anyone says time to move on. He is to small against the run and not strong enough a pass rusher to be a 3 down DE. Time to start thinking in the Mario Williams, Demarcus Ware mold at DE. No more undersized DE. Speaking of Mario he WILL be available……..
This team has a solid core that needs a few peices to come together. Castillo needs to go get a real DC that can actually game plan and tell Andy to fuck off. Marty needs to go The OC needs to have the balls to run the ball inspite of Reid. The defensive players are literally out there playing blind and that leads to mistakes. The offense is not playing to it’s strength which is running the ball and screens. Maclin, Jackson, Avant, Cooper, and ? are enough to win a SB. The ?WR needs to be at least 6’3" and running a 4.45. This team needs press corners to run the wide 9 which despite the teams win/loss record has actually been successful. Instead of running the base 4-3 run the Titans 4-4 base with subs on passing downs. This is ow the Wide 9 got the Titans to the SB and made names like Tulluch, Vanden Bosch, and Kearse household names.
This team aslo needs heart especially on defense. Thar is my main reason for Samuels being traded. He is not a CB that will help in the running game he doen’s even try to set and edge for other player to make a tackle. Often times he ALLOWS himself to be blocked out of the play just to not make contact.
All this RGIII talk is killing me. What happens if he is not what you hope he is…..? draft another QB and become the Panthers? Yeah the Panthers that drafted 4 QB in the last 5 years. This team has also not had the luck of some of the other teams in the league. A bad season is probably what these players needed to wake them up and play better in 2012.
I would love to blow up Texas Stadium... With team still in it
36 plus years of rooting for the Eagles I think are comming to fruition this year.
I am not a FAN.... I am a FANATIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!
An actual defensive coordinator who knows what the fuck he is doing
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- Joe Theismann
Player-wise
Our biggest need is definitely is a linebacker. I really like Kuechly from BC. I know that some people aren’t impressed by his physical attributes but people get too caught up in measurables. Kuechly have great instincts and we need a linebacker who can diagnosed plays quickly instead of having that “deer in the headlights” reaction every play. ( Casey, Chaney)
Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein.
- Joe Theismann
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