Should DeSean Jackson Be Demoted?
by JasonB on Dec 2, 2011 9:01 AM EST
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Watching last night's game I had a thought. The Eagles should just bench DeSean Jackson or at the very least push him down the depth chart. The reason isn't his contract or a disciplinary thing, it's that his play is so poor that he's hurting the team. Even given how bad they've been, surely the Eagles should still be trying to win games right? And if you're trying to win, you shouldn't have players on the field that are preventing that.
Look at his last month of work. He was benched for the Cardinals game, came back and played well against the Giants but still negated a 50+ yard gain with a dumb penalty, flat out dropped two TD passes against the Patriots and then of course there was last night. Let's take a few samples.
It is almost as if the WR has checked out mentally and we saw examples of that tonight when he ran routes. Remember, this is a receiver that is explosive and should test the top of the secondary every time he takes the field. Instead, we are now talking about a player that isn't treating the game like a pro - NFP's Matt Bowen.
Also this
On one play, Jackson ran a post and wasn't the first option. Young scrambled and looked right at No. 10, but the receiver never looked back to his quarterback when it was obvious the play had broken.
NFL Network cameras caught Young afterward talking to Jackson on the sidelines. But he just stared blankly off to the side. - Jeff McLane
But that wasn't all.
NFL Network's sideline reporter also mentioned how Jackson sat alone by himself on the bench for most of the game. There was also the sight of Jackson laughing and joking with Marshawn Lynch and Pete Carroll while Nnamdi Asomugha lay on the field injured. I'm sure his teammate will appreciate that.
It seems like his teammates have started to take notice. Jeff McLane tweeted this from the locker room.
I asked one #Eagles player what was up with DeSean Jackson. His response: "He's f****** around."
So really, what is the point of sending him out there anymore? What value is he adding to the team? There's no possible way you can say that his production makes up for the poor aspects of his game and attitude over the last month. He has just two 100 yard games all year (weeks 1 & 4) and two TDs. Not only are these not the numbers of a guy who deserves top 10 WR money, they really aren't those of a starting WR.
When Jeremy Maclin comes back, he's a starter. Jason Avant is still playing with heart. Riley Cooper wasn't very good last night, but he's trying. He's at least going to look back for the ball when he's running a pattern. Hell, even Chad Hall is at least giving maximum effort.
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Maximum effort, minimum talent
Last name Ever
First name Greatest
#PayDeSeanJackson
by Djax10 on Dec 2, 2011 9:12 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
It’s not like Maximum talent, minimal effort is really working out for us either.
by Wokjab on Dec 2, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
truly
I’ll take minimal talent and maximum effort over the converse anyday.
by Georgia_Flyer on Dec 2, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Read The post by john miller
Exposing jason stats babin
by Mrrc7 on Dec 2, 2011 12:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thank you for putting a lot of the fanbase’s frustration with Jackson into intelligible words. Most of us will succumb to unparalleled bouts of swearing, physical violence, and perhaps some crying.
no tears
Only blood!!!!!!! I really hope they fire ar today. It is the perfect timing. The season is over, time to see what we have in players and gear up for the draft. We will have a top 10 first rd’r and two top 10 2nds. I want a qb, Barkley, if he is there when we pick, then use the two seconds on a lb and a big dt or safety. Tall wr in the third. No qb just bump all the picks up
by VRFC8 on Dec 2, 2011 9:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd rather have T.O at this point...
instead of DJax. T.O. might be a headcase, but at least he gives it 110% on every snap.
Im thinking we shouldnt of been screaming for the lockout to end.
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by Dunta Is A PUNK on Dec 2, 2011 2:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
Bench him, then cut him after the year. He’ll get money somewhere else, but the market will be much more limited. Don’t think that other teams haven’t noticed that he has packed it in. There will be a few teams that will be tempted by the big play ability, but only a few. I’d be surprised if there is a bidding war on him.
He’s sealed his fate here. He’s exactly the kind of player that needs to be off of this team.
Go Eagles!
Nah you gotta franchise him to get something out of the terrible situation, even if its a shitty draft pick.
Eagles: Suck But still. #KeepAndyReid
Flyers: On a nice roll
Phillies: Sigh
What if we cannot trade him? We’d get a compensatory pick anyway, no? If we can’t trade him then we’re on the dime for over $10 mil (I think), plus he’ll be pissed because he got tagged and didn’t get a long term deal. I say let him go.
Go Eagles!
what if he gets tagged, and then no one comes knocking that will pay picks and the money he expects. Maybe at that point he will realise that Drew fed him a load of shit, rework a long term deal that is realistic, and get back to actually trying?
If he is franchised, and no market develops for him, he cant think that moping around for 9.5 million is going to make the market appear the next year.
He's still going to want a long term deal
We’ll only have him for a year. Yes, he will be being paid at least, but he may continue to be a distraction that we don’t need.
And remember, not only does a team have to want him, he can refuse to sign with a team. A team will only want to trade for him if they can sign him.
Go Eagles!
that is my point
he wont want to mope around for a year, and if no one wants him, he may learn some humility, and take a long term offer at decent rates. Not cheap or free, but not top 10 either.
Or, worst case, if no one wants him, cant he just get cut from the tag and set free. So there is little to no risk in the tag being applied.
only a few?
you underestimate how much other teams value an explosive player like that.
For instance, imagine if the Patriots replaced Ocho with DeSean. Him and Branch on the outside with Welker in the slot, plus their two TEs.
You don’t think that Hoodie hasn’t seen how Jackson has tanked it. Patriots win with team players.
Go Eagles!
But hoodie has taken chances on non-team players before. Randy Moss and Chad Johnson are two examples.
And I’m sure he knows DeSean will play lights out with a new contract on a new team, even if its only for two years of actual effort.
Eagles: Suck But still. #KeepAndyReid
Flyers: On a nice roll
Phillies: Sigh
Talent wise
DeSean Jackson isn’t fit to hold Randy Moss’s jockstrap.
A motivated, healthy Randy Moss could walk into a NFL locker room today and immediately return to being at least a top 20 receiver – maybe even top 10 still – because when motivated and healthy, Randy Moss was pretty close to unstoppable.
I bet Dallas
would pick him up in a heart beat.
Any team would
He’s not a “cancer” , he’s just not happy about losing. He’s staying. His pissed about the contract situation but I dnt think its affecting his play. He’s having a shitty yr no doubt, but who isn’t on this team??
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by Dunta Is A PUNK on Dec 2, 2011 2:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This might benefit the team in another way too
It would diminish his value even more. So then when it comes time for him to sign a new contract or hit free agency, a lot of teams will be turned off.
I hate the way he’s been playing, but I’m still mixed. Part of me says he’s a cancer and he’s not a clutch go-to player. But the other part me says he’s as dangerous a playmaker as there is in the league and he can stretch a defense on every play. So I’m 50-50 on re-signing. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him walk, see him sign a long-term deal, or see him franchised and traded. It’s whatever to me at this point.
I hate the way he’s been playing, but I’m still mixed. Part of me says he’s a cancer and he’s not a clutch go-to player. But the other part me says he’s as dangerous a playmaker as there is in the league and he can stretch a defense on every play. So I’m 50-50 on re-signing. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him walk, see him sign a long-term deal, or see him franchised and traded. It’s whatever to me at this point.
That puts exactly what I feel into words. Couldn’t agree more, although it would just be so painful to let him walk when we could at least get a pick for him.
#FireAndyReid
THIS is college basketball.
"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."
Side note:
Get Jason Babin the F out of here. So awful.
#FireAndyReid
THIS is college basketball.
"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."
Then what? Who's his backup? Babin is at least a motivator, from what I've seen.
Brian Dawkins for President
Babin is crap. Every team we play runs right at him for huge chunks of yards, plus he’s a penalty machine. I’m on record here saying I never wanted that bum back and he’s proving me right. Nice move Reid…
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by 92-74-99-96 on Dec 2, 2011 11:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Did you see that 40 yrd run from Lynch yesterday? Right by Babin. What a twat.
The Jruth shall be told.
I’m glad someone else see this. I don’t understand how anyone can defend this jackass. I never wanted him back…
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by 92-74-99-96 on Dec 4, 2011 1:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
At least get Babin out of the starting lineup. If they guy won’t play the run, use him as a situational pass rusher. He’s not a 3 down lineman.
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I actually agree with you
He’s a sack guy only. He is awful against the run and like Jason said, he needs to be taken out of the starting lineup. He’s a great pass rushing specialist that could be used as a situational player. And that is why he was so good in Tennessee. I don’t even think he played 50% of their snaps last year.
remember when he left the first time
guys were saying he’s a me first guy then….
by samu el jax sun on Dec 2, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
OMG
I have seen more twirling from Jason Babin this year than my 4 year old niece! Good lord it makes my stomach upset watching the dude engage whoever is blocking him at the line. If he doesn’t fly by them up field he hits them with his shoulder (like he is trying to budge a boulder or something) and then start twirling around. I first noticed it in the Bears game. DUDE IS TERRIBLE! USE YOUR FRICKEN HANDS, TRY A SWIM MOVE. God the guy only cares about sacks. If he can’t get to the QB doesn’t even follow the play.
I’m glad someone else sees this too. He’s crap. I can’t look at him without seeing his “highlight/wood chopping” video. He needs an afro wig, a red nose, and big shoes. Other teams RB’s salivate when they see him.
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by 92-74-99-96 on Dec 2, 2011 11:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hahahahahahaha
That video was classic! I was laughing so hard when you mentioned it becasue that all I could think of when they re-signed him. I mean come on man you have made millions at least put some into production value! LOL
I am in full agreement. It’s a complete joke… I don’t know how he can look at himself in the mirror to shave.
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by 92-74-99-96 on Dec 4, 2011 1:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The cancer thing is the trump card for me. If I am the one with the check book I see a ton of risk if I pay him. Will he take the money and tank it again.
A willing to tank it is almost like a scarlet letter to me. He has really screwed himself by behaving this way.
Go Eagles!
He has really screwed himself by behaving this way.
He definitely has. But that goes back to my original point. This might benefit the team in the long-run. Because let’s face it… In Deseans first 2-3 years he was a special, special player. And he really never had any “diva-type” problems. It wasn’t until these contract problems came up that he turned sour. I’m thinking if he has killed his value enough, then maybe we can sign him to a team friendly deal. Then you’re not risking as much.
If he gets a contract and reverts to his 08-10 form, then that’s enormous. If you pay him and he stays cancerous, then you’re not risking as much.
1) Agree that he was not a problem before this year.
2) I doubt that he will sign a lower contract here. Even if he did there would be lingering bad blood because he will believe that he is worth more and the Eagles screwed him. Will that motivate him to play harder? Possibly, but there is also the chance that he lets the grudge affect his play and we get a repeat performance.
3) If we pay him a lot, that sets a bad precedent. That’s just enabling this bad behavior. Read that as, it won’t happen.
Bottom line is that Jackson has severely damaged his reputation. Given the bad blood I really don’t see how the Eagles can bring him back. I’m not saying that he won’t change his attitude and turn things around. He might, but it just won’t be with the Eagles.
Go Eagles!
as an outsider looking in
I think you are not realizing that in the eyes of a lot of people the Eagles screwed Jackson over, signing (overage) FA left and right but neglecting one of their own.
As I said on another thread, it’s a business and I think teams won’t be as scared as you apparently (and understandably) hope.
If by a lot of people you mean the fans, that doesn’t matter. Yeah, they fund the contract but they don’t award it. Teams do. To be honest, does anyone know if he really got screwed? Was he offered an extension? For how much? I can’t really say for sure whether he got screwed or not.
And don’t get me wrong, he’ll get money. Enough teams will look at the highlights and see all of those 50+ yard TDs and will want to acquire him. My main point was that he lowered his market value and probably decreased the number of suitors.
Go Eagles!
I think the fact that a bunch of guys got millions to sit on the bench and the team wanted Jackson to sign a “team-friendly deal” is what made the negotiations so sour in the first place.
We made so called upgrades to the body
But didn’t take care of the soul (jackson) now we lose a season,a hall of fame coach ,and destroyed one of the brightest and exciting young players in the nfl,stop sideing with mgment and media,that’s like trailerparkers voteing republican.
by Mrrc7 on Dec 2, 2011 12:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we need a qb over 6 ft
If we keep Desean. Vick is too short to find him down the field when he’s in the pocket. The more I think about it the more I realize we need a qb of the future. The future being two yrs from now. Barkley please!!!!!!
by VRFC8 on Dec 2, 2011 9:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions
No we dont
Like the other guy said, Drew Brees is 6’0"
And Aaron Rodgers is maybe two inches taller max…not much of a difference.
Bench him? Fuck that
Suspend him for conduct detrimental. His shit has to be wearing on most, if not all, of the players. He’s not going to be here next year anyway. Get the cancer out of the locker room.
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by Jason-E on Dec 2, 2011 9:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Did anyone else think he said, "They don't like it, oh well." on the sidelines?
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by JasonB on Dec 2, 2011 9:47 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
scumbag meme is here to stay
make one for Babin
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Gets 12 Sacks
Still worst defense in football
but thanks for that
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
it’s this time of shit that brings me back the day after a loss with a smile
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
type*
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
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by JasonB on Dec 2, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Tows tractor trailer
Refuses to tackle
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
hyperbole
if you can tow an atv, you can tackle an RB
except Michael Bush, who I’m convinced is an ATV
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Mentioning Michael Bush
reminds me of how much I wanted the Eagles to draft him – not that Andy Reid would ever properly use a big back, but that guy was an absolute Monster before he got hurt while Louisville was trying to run up the score against Kentucky
He's the fastest player in the league
You have to make it work. You have to.
by BrandonB on Dec 2, 2011 9:49 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Jacoby Ford says hello
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
good for him
DeSean would burn his ass.
Mayeb Mike Williams… but no, DeSean.
nope
Jacoby Ford would roast Desean in a heartbeat.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Jackson at the combine
http://40-yard-dash-times.com/desean-jackson-philadelphia-eagles-40-yard-fantasy-football.html
Ford at the combine
http://speedendurance.com/2010/03/01/2010-nfl-combine-results-jacoby-ford-4-28-40-yard-dash/
thanks for playing though
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Ford benched 225 13 times
There are no numbers for Jackson at the combine for this test
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
nice double entendre
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Haha…
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by 92-74-99-96 on Dec 2, 2011 11:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Deactivate him the rest of the year, torpedo his value, fuck him. I never want to see him in an eagles uniform again. Disgrace to professional football players everywhere.
Shady is the man.
fuk outta here
The eagles FO spent 200 million this past offseason to free agents who came from other teams. How do you expect a guy to give his all for a team that treated him like that. I don’t see how eagles fans didn’t rally for him. I mean. Look at Denver and how they rallied for tebow who looked terrible. If desean dropped that pass riley cooper dropped that was picked, Yall would he chopping his head off. I wish desean and vick go to another team next year so Yall can have Yall lover riley cooper. Desean will torch this eagles secondary when he plays the eagles on another team. I can’t wait for him to run in the endzone backwards with a Miami or san fran jersey on our field.
by phillyisback on Dec 2, 2011 10:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
This
But Jackson has screwed himself far more than the front office has, and he had control over that.
Go Eagles!
He wanted money he didn't deserve.
And is proving the FO RIGHT at the expense of his teammates, What does that say about you as a person that you are for that mess? GTFO
Shady is the man.
Maybe he does want money he doesn’t deserve. But who says he won’t take anything reasonable. It’s not he was offered anything or even showed that he was wanted.
by phillyisback on Dec 2, 2011 10:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
shady's making less money
do you see him acting like a little cunt bag?
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The eagles offered him $7-8mil like a month ago. He turned it down. The FO was willing to pay him. Just not what he wanted.
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by Jason-E on Dec 2, 2011 11:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
that isnt known
Rosenhaus was around a lot this year. There is no way to know if any offers were put out that were rejected, and what those offers may have been.
Regardless
They obviously discussed numbers. Whether there was a formal offer or not isn’t really relevant. Both sides made their evaluations of his worth clear and obviously there was no agreement.
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Sounds like you are a real Eagles fan:
I can’t wait for him to run in the endzone backwards with a Miami or san fran jersey on our field.
And this?:
Look at Denver and how they rallied for tebow who looked terrible
Tebow is the polar opposite of Desean. Not much talent (from an NFL standpoint), but works as hard as possible to find a way to make it work.
Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!
And never bitched and moaned about ANYTHING. Even when he was demoted to fourth string QB despite playing decent last season. At least he doesn’t turn the ball over.
The Jruth shall be told.
When Tebow
scored winning touchdown against the Jets, one of the first people over to greet him on the bench was Brian Dawkins
Tebow really shows the value in believing that you will win – even if he never becomes an NFL level passer, he’ll always have value to an NFL team because you can tell that he would run out there playing linebacker or in kickoff coverage if he thought it would help his team win. Such determination with atheletic talent is rare. As long as he doesn’t lose it like Vince Young has.
You’re acting like you know what goes on behind the scenes with deals.
Fact: DeSean Jackson said publicly that he wants top 5 WR money.
Fact: DeSean Jackson has shown through his attitude and horrible play that he does not deserve top 5 WR money.
Fact: Drew Rosenhaus is his agent, an agent who is a complete dickhead and tries to bleed every last dime out of teams for his players. You really think he isn’t on board, or pushing, DeSean to demand top 5 WR money?
Where are your facts? How do you know for sure that the Eagles didn’t offer him a 4yr/32mil contract with 15-20mil guaranteed? If they didn’t make him any offers, then I understand him being pissed. But when your agent is in Philadelphia for weeks at a time, don’t you think he’s doing something besides whacking off to gay porn at the Hilton Hotel?
The Jruth shall be told.
A few d...heads don't speak for us all
We know mgnment messed up the season by not taking care of jackson, he said out of his own mouth he wasn’t looking for fitzgerald type money ,wtf did banner expect to happen,enough of this stubborn crap,you know the players are spoiled kids
by Mrrc7 on Dec 2, 2011 1:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It makes perfect sense to take anger of our poor team on desean Jackson not giving his all for pointless games that can only get him hurt. Perfect sense. Why not just go out there and take a hit like maclin and end your career broke with no contract. Fuk the fact that we suck and none of the people we paid big “all in” super bowl or bust money absolutely being a waste. Let’s get mad at the one guy we should have stood for.
by phillyisback on Dec 2, 2011 10:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
you’re an idiot. He has an insurance contract that’s probably worth millions of dollars.
The Jruth shall be told.
YOU'RE an idiot
if you think his insurance contract means he should risk getting the payday that can set him up for life. The payday he’s earned.
then why even bother getting the contract if you’re going to play like a pussy? And you don’t know how much it’s worth. It could be worth 15mil if he gets a career ending injury. Shit Rosenhaus could be paying the contract for him so that way if it pays out that greedy bastard could get 2.7% or whatever of his payday.
Stfu you know nothing.
The Jruth shall be told.
Why don’t you take yourself over to the cowboys fan page. You’d fit right in with their retarded fan base.
that you agree with this guy
means you need to reevaluate what you think you know about football.
Shady is the man.
One problem
He wasn’t giving his all in games that did matter. You have actually watched games this year right?
Shady is the man.
Our team as a whole wasn’t giving their all. Nnamdi wdas gettin torched all season. And let’s not mention how our FO treated asante. It was too many in house stupid problems. Not running the best rb in the NFL. I would say or drafting and coaching didn’t give their all. Keeping cromartiee and nnamdi would be a disaster because they suck I’m our suckee system
by phillyisback on Dec 2, 2011 10:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Auto correct on ny phone is terrible.
by phillyisback on Dec 2, 2011 10:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
we won't play zone next season
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Juan's Zone D
nullifies Nnmandi’s strength and playing DRC in the slot nullifies his.
I’d guess 90% of the plays he’s been burned on have been when he’s lost in a zone scheme or when one of our terrible safties isn’t providing proper over the top coverage.
I really wish I could change my handle.
Shadynasty!!!
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Dec 2, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Suspend him without pay. Plain and simple. He’s no longer a “scapegoat” like a few of you made him out to be when he was benched last game. He’s a pick. A fucking asshole. If I was the FO I would just destroy his value at this point but that’s just because I’m a spiteful person. I hope someone in the locker room has enough balls to smack this dickwad around a few times.. Literally smack him around. He deserves whatever he gets at this point.
or play him
and have vick lead him into safeties everytime and hope he gets his shit pushed in, or he alligator arms every ball and ruins his already declining value
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I don't think he's done that
Like I said, he’s just playing poor. That’s what this should be about.
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Yea, he's playing poorly.
So deactivate him and give other guys a chance. No need to call it a suspension
Shady is the man.
no
The FO deserves this for pulling off the biggest waste of money in a off season u can pull. And in the process. Treating their best performers on both sides of the ball like shit. Asante and Jackson.
by phillyisback on Dec 2, 2011 10:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
DeSean Jackson's
Never getting paid, if he can’t be a true professional like shady.
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these retards
go to college, sign a 3-4 year professional contract, run a few punt returns back and expect to get paid. PLAY OUT YOUR CONTRACT LIKE A TRUE PROFESSIONAL, you’re the one that fucking signed it. Jesus christ i’m still furious
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nonsense
DeSean far outplayed his contract, and deserved to get paid this year. It’s not worth it to him to just “play out the contract” when it could mean getting seriously injured and NEVER seeing the big payday he earned.
Fact: DeSean Jackson said publicly that he wants top 5 WR money.
Fact: DeSean Jackson has shown through his attitude and horrible play that he does not deserve top 5 WR money.
Fact: Drew Rosenhaus is his agent, an agent who is a complete dickhead and tries to bleed every last dime out of teams for his players. You really think he isn’t on board, or pushing, DeSean to demand top 5 WR money?
Where are your facts? How do you know for sure that the Eagles didn’t offer him a 4yr/32mil contract with 15-20mil guaranteed? If they didn’t make him any offers, then I understand him being pissed. But when your agent is in Philadelphia for weeks at a time, don’t you think he’s doing something besides whacking off to gay porn at the Hilton Hotel?
The Jruth shall be told.
Why exactly...
should we redefine the meaning of a contract simply because he has a higher chance of getting injured? Forget that!! DeSean CHOSE to be a football player, even though he’s half the size of everyone else on the field. And the last time I checked…a contract is an obligation, something you should live up to when you sign your name on the dotted line.
he sure did. But this could be a reason for the mess. The FO didnt want to do the extension last year because the only way to work it would have been guaranteed money. We have to ask if the FO is afraid of guaranteeing money to DeSean because he is a head case, or because he is so likely to not remain healthy? If it is the latter, then he has every reason to push for guaranteed cash, as no one at the table is expecting a long career.
sure the last coupe years.
His production/effort this year is pretty equal with what he’s making right now
Shady is the man.
then why are you complaining?
The Eagles are getting there money’s worth after all
Nobody is saying the FO is in the right.
but DeSean has done nothing but prove them correct about his value at every turn. His payday isn’t going to be close to what it should have been. and he will only have himself to blame.
Shady is the man.
JasonB
should change the banner to something about desean being a little pussy
"It's never out of reach when you got the queen on the board, and thats Andy Reid" - Mike Vick
ONE GAME AT A TIME
I almost have to agree with Jacksonb
Now I certainly dont condone his behavior, so perhaps i am being faceticious with the subject line, but putting myself in his situation i would certainly be irate if at my place of work i was head and shoulders more talented than the people around me and those people were getting paid several orders of magnitude higher than myself. Now, never would i stoop to the level of quitting on my job and my teammates but I do think the Eagles and the FO deserve a portion of the blame here. They should have made more of a effort to get a deal done after the lockout IMO, instead of signing guys like Ronnie Brown, Steve Smith, et al.
how would you explain
the people out performing him, making less, and being a true professional
"It's never out of reach when you got the queen on the board, and thats Andy Reid" - Mike Vick
ONE GAME AT A TIME
Matt Forte says hi.
2011 National Champs in Men's Basketball
START McCUMMINGS
Eat a bagel (like a mumu)
18-1
1967: Embrace it
Also
Fact: DeSean Jackson said publicly that he wants top 5 WR money.
Fact: DeSean Jackson has shown through his attitude and horrible play that he does not deserve top 5 WR money.
Fact: Drew Rosenhaus is his agent, an agent who is a complete dickhead and tries to bleed every last dime out of teams for his players. You really think he isn’t on board, or pushing, DeSean to demand top 5 WR money?
Where are your facts? How do you know for sure that the Eagles didn’t offer him a 4yr/32mil contract with 15-20mil guaranteed? If they didn’t make him any offers, then I understand him being pissed. But when your agent is in Philadelphia for weeks at a time, don’t you think he’s doing something besides whacking off to gay porn at the Hilton Hotel?
The Jruth shall be told.
by packimop on Dec 2, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
2011 National Champs in Men's Basketball
START McCUMMINGS
Eat a bagel (like a mumu)
18-1
1967: Embrace it
I was seriously contemplating copy/pasting this to every statement I felt it was appropriate for, but didn’t want to be a dick like that.
The Jruth shall be told.
There's probably about a dozen other spots it needs to go
I like how no one has responded to it yet.
2011 National Champs in Men's Basketball
START McCUMMINGS
Eat a bagel (like a mumu)
18-1
1967: Embrace it
watched all his interviews
Never Once did he say he wanted top 5 money,but I.heard him say he didn’t expect fitzgerald money. we know you don’t like the kid ,but he has enough crap going besides you making up …it.
by Mrrc7 on Dec 2, 2011 1:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Avante gets stripped 2 times and helps us lose a game. Maclin drops a wide open potential game winning pass against Atlanta. Our d missed tackles all year long. Our 4th and 1 pass from the 2 yard line in a crucial game. Nnamdis consistant 3rd down stops called back from pass int. Penalties and let’s not forget the offsides. I can go on. But why. The teamates live desean. The teamates stood up for Andy Reid job and Reid turned around and suspends Jackson for being late to a special teens meeting.. SPECIAL TEAMS!!!!!!
by phillyisback on Dec 2, 2011 10:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
i'm not blaming him for the 4-8 record
but the dude’s not even trying, when he does try he’s droppin everything. aka 2nd most DROPS IN THE LEAGUE. I don’t care if he’s not getting paid. Other players on this team are getting payed less and are out performing him.
"It's never out of reach when you got the queen on the board, and thats Andy Reid" - Mike Vick
ONE GAME AT A TIME
Who out performed d jackson that get paid less than him. Fukk outta here. Our team sucked as a whole. Nobody but mccoy played good. Yes. Desean sucked. But so did everybody else. Maclin just fell for no reason when we needed a 1st. Steve smith didn’t even try to get a first and fell to the floor with space to run. Cooper just dropped a pass that was picked.. come on mannn.. all these picks.. its our team sucking.. not Jackson. U notice Jackson because they put him out there for anything he does that sucks.
by phillyisback on Dec 2, 2011 10:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
LeSean McCoy has outperformed Jackson and gets paid less than him. Arian Foster has outperformed DeSean Jackson and gets paid less than him. Matt Forte has outperformed DeSean Jackson and gets paid less than him.
Need I continue?
The Jruth shall be told.
by packimop on Dec 2, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
phillyisback
eaglescap.com
"It's never out of reach when you got the queen on the board, and thats Andy Reid" - Mike Vick
ONE GAME AT A TIME
Especially since even before this year
there is no one who rationally could argue that DeSean was a top 5 wide out.
I mean, he’s not exactly Calvin Johnson
McCoy is the heart and soul of this team.
Yet he has not cried like Jackson and he is making less money than DJax and he is a hell of a lot more important to our offenses success as half of our wins have come from when we relied on McCoy. He would be setting Eagles records by now for every rushing category yet AR and MM continue to screw him out of situations in which he excels at….YET we here nothing from LeSean.
You don’t know that until lesean gets treated like desean. Lesean got a new agent for a reason. And the pass opens up the run.. the run opens up the pass. Desean and lesean together makes them both better.
by phillyisback on Dec 2, 2011 10:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Support was almost universal for Reid's decision to suspend Desean in the locker room.
For all of the other’s miscues, they made mistakes while fighting to make plays. Desean has been tanking it. His mistakes are “business decisions” consciously made, to the detriment of his team.
Shady is the man.
“For Who? For What?” 2.0
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by djthekidd on Dec 2, 2011 2:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
WHY WOULD you even make it a public issue if desean was late to a special teams meeting. Do you think devin hester would be suspended for missing a special teams meeting? Our coaching decisions are Judy school like.
by phillyisback on Dec 2, 2011 10:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions
he shouldn't be missing anything
its his fucking job
"It's never out of reach when you got the queen on the board, and thats Andy Reid" - Mike Vick
ONE GAME AT A TIME
Don't waste your time with him.
He’s just gonna rant and rave how DJ is the savior of this team and should’ve gotten paid and justify his poor play. Even when T.O. complained about making $49 MILLION dollars and that wasn’t enough to feed his family, he still went out and played hard, I’ll take hustle and heart over talent anyday of the week and I have zero tolerance for showboaters like DJ.
yea
I noticed he doesn’t understand. But i hope next season he’s playing in Cleveland or Jacksonville
"It's never out of reach when you got the queen on the board, and thats Andy Reid" - Mike Vick
ONE GAME AT A TIME
no bucko
I’m not justifying deseans terrible play. I do believe he should have got paid before we thought about Vince young. Steve smith. Ronnie brown. And nnamdi unecessary asomugha. All who did nothing. ALL SEASON. EVER!!! I’m not taking up for desean. I’m saying everybody sucked. Everybody played with no heart. Even our coaches. Spread the blame…
by phillyisback on Dec 2, 2011 10:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The blame is being spread. That’s not what you were saying at all. You were saying he deserves to be paid according to his past performance. THE EAGLES TRIED TO DO THIS, but he wants Top 5 WR money. He has stated that publicly. He’s not going to get that money ANYWHERE, and if a team does happen to pay him 12mil next year, they will immediately regret getting an alligator-arms pussy diva.
The Jruth shall be told.
His contract says he has to go to meetings
violate your contract and you face the consequences.
And Devin Hester never had the reputation as being a me first knucklehead . DeSean Jackson has been known to be a me first knucklehead since high school. Maybe had he not been coddeled so much based upon his talent, he would actually be better
Knucklehead?
Did he rob someone,sell drugs?i know a few knuckleheads and there not called that for endzone dancing ,that’s just an excuse for hate
by Mrrc7 on Dec 2, 2011 2:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
when a guy is nicknamed "MeSean"
and was known to be a cancer in the Cal lockerroom, it is fair to say that he’s always been a me first, selfish player.
People are mad at DeSean's attitude...
And rightly so. The guy has all the talent in the world to make himself into something great, and he’s throwing it away over money. It’s understandable the frustration he is feeling, but if you REALLY wanted to prove your worth, what is moping around on the field and being lazy going to do besides depreciate your value as an NFL player and potential team-mate?
Sure some teams are gonna look at him and say “We can fix him for a valued price and a pick or two”; but it’s the fact that when things get tough and you really need your players to dig deep and give it their all is when they’ll really evaluate how important you are to their franchise. Sadly, DeSean isn’t exhibiting any sort of care towards his team, his friends, and the fan-base who has supported him.
Fuck him and get someone who’ll actually play hard.
by EaglesForever20 on Dec 2, 2011 10:52 AM EST reply actions
come on yo.
We ran a draw play to chad hall on a 2nd and 14. Chad hall!!!!!! WTF. draw play to chad hall period is a disaster. We needed that game.. what coach would put chad hall in in a game like that in that situation.
by phillyisback on Dec 2, 2011 10:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
i might as well rec all your shit man
these dumbasses don’t understand that these players have to make all their money in a very small window. If you earn a big payday, you have to make sure you get it, because any given Sunday you could get seriously injured. You think the team will still pay him if he suffers a major setback? hell no.
these 2
should go find a room and talk about advance football things, we plain folk will never understand.
Shady is the man.
The funny thing is
If he had just played out his contract like a man. The FO would have taken care of him
I Miss BDAWK
Andy Reid should stay one more year
Shady McCoy is Dirty
he earned his payday
and they DIDNT take care of him. “playing it out like a man” is such an easy thing to say when you’re job has you at a desk in a comfortable chair.
why don't you remove DeSeans Dick from your mouth then talk to me
At what point did he play it out like a man? Was it when he started dropping balls? His refusal to run routes?
I Miss BDAWK
Andy Reid should stay one more year
Shady McCoy is Dirty
by rohan915 on Dec 2, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
THIS!!!!!
"It's never out of reach when you got the queen on the board, and thats Andy Reid" - Mike Vick
ONE GAME AT A TIME
DeSean can afford a pretty comfortable chair with that 600k he’s earning this year. I’d like to get paid 600k to play basketball. Shit I’d give it my best every single day of my life if I did.
The Jruth shall be told.
not if someone worse then you got paind 2 million you wouldn't
don’t pretend you would
lol
I work 100% commission. I play it out every day like a man. Emotionally not everyone is built for this extreme but showing up on game day shouldn’t be a daunting task. He should put his hands down his pants to check if he’s still a man.
America was built on the sweat of strong men and now is being ruined by their lazy entitled great great grand children. In the past it was shameful to take hand outs, now a days everyone has their hand out. DeSean is being a punk.
Joe Banner is Evil Banners father. Kinda like Luke and Darth Vader.
Juan Castillo switching from the offensive line coach to Defensive coordinator is soooo dumb it might just work.
Our defense will not be a top 10 defense this year.
by MightyJoeBanner on Dec 2, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
He will not be back next year
Cut ties now and put and end to his childish behavior!!
"Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but what you should have accomplished with your ability."
-John Wooden
Jackson is a whiny bitch
I’ve been saying this all season and yet sometimes I still get crap for it.
It’s one thing to have a 2-14 team that plays hard….I can respect that. I won’t like it but I can respect that. But when the team is playing this bad and not showing any heart or fire, that is what upsets me!!! Jackson is the worst of them too. How can anyone think he’s a #1 anymore. Cooper is putting up decent numbers and that is with Jackson half-assing it out there. I’d be willing to bet that with Maclin, Cooper and Avant in the slot this team will be so much better off. Jackson isn’t creating anything for anyone anymore, he’s wasting a spot for ANYONE else to come in and at least try to produce.
yeah
because the lack of a big play threat this year hasn’t hurt us at all…
dumbass
wait wait wait. DeSean has missed ONE game. The only way there has been a lack of a big pay threat is if he hasn’t been trying.
Pick one dumbass.
The Jruth shall be told.
by packimop on Dec 2, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh so Desean has been out all year?
Or are you admitting that he hasn’t been a threat most of the year?
Shady is the man.
He is too small to be a #1 and not worth the $$
All the #1’s are big physical play makers. A Johnson, C Johnson, L Fitz, G Jennings, etc, … A small WR / PR is not worth the money of a #1 WR. He is a Diva and injury prone. Get him a suitcase and bus ticket.
"Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but what you should have accomplished with your ability."
-John Wooden
Maybe if they offer something else to the team
When people were discussing whether Buffalo made a mistake giving Lee Evans (who like DeSean is a small speed guy) top 5 money, some would note that Lee Evans is a high character guy who was a leader on the team and would help younger receivers learn routes and how to be a pro. Evans performance on the field was no where close to being Top 5 receiver level, but Buffalo needed to make that deal for his on field and off field leadership.
DeSean isn’t like that – he’s not an on field and off field leader and he’s not a high character guy. He’s a distraction – and a distraction may be acceptable if it is a transendent talent like Randy Moss or T.O. was – but its not acceptable as a fast speed guy.
Here is what I want to see in the final games
Allan and/or Coleman off the field (they are always over persuing) and I want to see Jerrett hitting holes and lighting people up a la Dawkins. At this point I don’t really care if he would give up a TD or two while doing this I just want to see him light some body up. Might as well put matthews back in because Jamar is missing so many tackles. Wide 9 should be cut down to Wide 7 until we can get the proper personnel. I want to keep Samuals next year (he was the only one trying to chase down Lynch on that 40 yard run). Would like to NEVER EVER SEE Vince Young throw another pass in an Eagles Uniform. I want to see Jackson grow the F up, fricken suck. On the bright side Mudd seems to be doing his job. Ugggggg soooooo much frustration, I want to smash something.
There's a whole lot of talent
Out there in 2012 at WR. I’m just worried about safeties
"It's never out of reach when you got the queen on the board, and thats Andy Reid" - Mike Vick
ONE GAME AT A TIME
do you really think eagles will be looking for a wr in the draft though? i kno blackmon, jefferies and the kid from ND. what other top wideouts are there? (i dont follow college football until the combine lol)
Fly Eagles Fly
by aleandroid86 on Dec 2, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
eh
i was talking about free agents. aka welker,bowe,reggie wayne, vincent jackson, mike wallace,colston, stevie johnson
"It's never out of reach when you got the queen on the board, and thats Andy Reid" - Mike Vick
ONE GAME AT A TIME
out of that list
Welker, Wallace, Johnson, and Colston will get resigned.
I would absoultely love it if Dwayne Bowe came here. I think he’s an outstanding receiver
Vjax is a diva too no thanks
I Miss BDAWK
Andy Reid should stay one more year
Shady McCoy is Dirty
vjax is a bonehead but i dont think hes a diva. as far as i know the only reason hasnt been signed long term is because of his 3 duis
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by aleandroid86 on Dec 2, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I’m beginning to think this way as well. I’d rather have Kuechly, but if you’re not going to draft Kuechly then go for Blackmon. Fuck it.
The Jruth shall be told.
I think we do a need a LB badly
but hell if he is available when its our pick I say go for it. Problem is knowing us we would probably trade our pick
I Miss BDAWK
Andy Reid should stay one more year
Shady McCoy is Dirty
Depressing how the whole DJAX situation is a microcosm of our entire season.
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by GreenInBaltimore on Dec 2, 2011 11:46 AM EST reply actions
Actually to be honest
If we get a top 5 draft pick I say we draft best available
I Miss BDAWK
Andy Reid should stay one more year
Shady McCoy is Dirty
Agree mostly, but for me it would be franchise QB if available. If not, then best defensive player available.
Go Eagles!
I'm totally for drafting a QB
If someone like RG3 or Barkley is available at that time go for it. But if its between like Blackmon and those two. I say get Blackmon because you can get a good QB like Russell Wilson later
I Miss BDAWK
Andy Reid should stay one more year
Shady McCoy is Dirty
we need to lose out though
Fly Eagles Fly
by aleandroid86 on Dec 2, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
I enjoy us winning but
is there any point at this stage? I still think we should play hard but I think this team has given up
I Miss BDAWK
Andy Reid should stay one more year
Shady McCoy is Dirty
Will RGIII even come out though?
He’s known to be an academics first type of guy, but I think by the time the NFL draft comes along he’ll already have a master’s degree – he was known to be planning on returning to Baylor to enroll in the law school next year. I guess like Steve Young, he can go to law school in the off season though.
But really, who wouldn’t want someone who combines that athletic talent with intelligence and drive.
Honestly the Eagles should have given him something at the start of the season instead of getting Steve Smith
they should have used that money on tulloch. but who really give about a mlb that can tackle when you can give that money to player coming off a serious injury
Fly Eagles Fly
by aleandroid86 on Dec 2, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I’m real disappointed in what has happened with Steve Smith. We all know he’s a damn good receiver but I wonder what happened here. I’m just so confused. I’ve been pulling for him since day one.. How would you guys feel if they let Djax walk just to turn around and sign SS long term?
irate? livid? angry? suicidal…
Fly Eagles Fly
by aleandroid86 on Dec 2, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
ss cannot replace djax. and im also tired off undersized wrs that cant fight for a jump ball and dive at the feet of would be tacklers.
Fly Eagles Fly
by aleandroid86 on Dec 2, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
bench him? are you crazy… if we had a qb that could make the throws instead of noodle arm (dream team jinx) VY, we would not be scapegoating DJ… he has always been a goof and immature/untimely and an F up, what do you expect? he should change… take the good with the bad.
What about the two drops in the end zone last week? Did that have anything to do with his noodle arm? What about DeSean not being able to fight for a jump ball whatsoever and allowing interceptions that a top 5 WR would never have allowed to happen? You need to look at the situation from all angles.
The Jruth shall be told.
NO not at all
make him play KO’s, punts and throw him the ball all game long. Make him earn every penny.
Joe Banner is Evil Banners father. Kinda like Luke and Darth Vader.
Juan Castillo switching from the offensive line coach to Defensive coordinator is soooo dumb it might just work.
Our defense will not be a top 10 defense this year.
by MightyJoeBanner on Dec 2, 2011 12:59 PM EST reply actions
Figure these two tweets from Andrew Brandt say it all
DeSean and Drew have to realize that all potential employers are going to be watching this tape.
and, for some of his defenders here…
Problem for DeSean is that if there are motivational issues prior to getting financial security, that is only made worse by a reward.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
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Say what you will about Terrell Owens, but there was never a doubt that every single play on the field he played his ass off, whether he was in a contract squabble or not. Even during his time in 2005 before he got sent home for the rest of the year he was producing at a high level. I have defended DeSean all year but cannot do that anymore. While the Eagles created this situation he had handled it well until these last few games. If you aren’t going to go all out on the field you might as well stay home.
It’s been apparent since the season started that the Eagles had no intent of re-signing DeSean. People wanted to claim that it was because of the lockout that they hadn’t taken care of him, yet that didn’t stop them from taking care of Vick and all the free agents they signed. In hindsight, DeSean would have been better holding out, instead the Eagles left him dangling in the wind and it has affected his game so greatly that he’s having one of the worst contract seasons I can remember in any sport.
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Andy earned the right to a full off season
With the group he has without blowing it up .Maybe to late to save jackson,hope not,get a better dc and redzone quality control and we could be challenging, or blow it up and live in self pity and losers paradise the next 4 years
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