The Linc - The Eagles Have Quit
by JasonB on Dec 2, 2011 6:00 AM EST
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Have the Eagles 'packed it in?' | Matt Bowen, National Football Post
Watching the Eagles lose 31-14 to the Seahawks out in Seattle tonight, I saw a team that look disinterested (minus a few players), played with poor technique and didn’t execute the basic fundamentals of the game. Is that a sign of a team that has "packed it in" for the season? I’ve played on a team in the NFL that went down this same path during Steve Spurrier’s final year in Washington—and this looks pretty similar.
Miller: Jason Babin, Poster Child For A Terrible Team
You might think he is a shining jewel in what is otherwise a pile of crap of a football team. But he is not. He is a mediocre football player who piles up meaningless stats at the expense of his team. He would rather pile up sacks than win football games; at least that’s what his play indicates. Babin can’t – or more accurately, won’t – play the run.
Seahawks embarrass Eagles, 31-14 | Philadelphia Inquirer | 12/01/2011
It's one thing to get embarrassed by Tom Brady and the Patriots. Losing by 31-14 to Tarvaris Jackson and the Seattle Seahawks takes a new level of mistakes and apathetic play.
Eagles' Jackson sets himself apart, but not in a good way | Philadelphia Inquirer | 12/01/2011
It's difficult to imagine Jackson no longer being the big-play piece to Andy Reid's fastbreak offense, but the prospect becomes more imaginable with each week as the Eagles' disaster of a season comes to its crashing conclusion.
Wrap up: Seahawks 31, Eagles 14 - NFC East Blog - ESPN
The Eagles are losers. It's as simple as that. One more loss will ensure a losing record for a team that does nothing as well as it does losing.
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RG3, barkley, blackmon, jeffrey, keuchly, teo, brown,
If we can somehow get 5 out of 7 of these guys in the first round we would be awesome
by con-vick on Dec 2, 2011 6:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dont think they are. Blackmon is a high jumping, sure handed, tough after the catch kind of guy.
"you cannot think this 6-foot man is going to survive a full season if defenses have 904 chances to knock his block off"
by EaglesandRavensFan on Dec 2, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Don't worry
They’ll somehow fuck that up too, watch them win a couple now that they’re basically out of the playoffs.
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
And so have I
Somebody post that Brian Rolle gif, that’s what needs to be done with the coaches and the team, I guess the only one surviving will be Brian Rolle.
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
The coaches
EVeryone says the coaches, and yes I do believe the Juan was a mistake. But you can’t blame them for the missed tackles, the players are there to make the play they just don’t. Can’t blame the coaches if a safety bites on a terrible play action and a guy gets deep. Can’t blame the coaches for stupid penalties, etc.
Some people think the coaches also should be getting the players “up” for playing every game. I think that is crap, it’s the NFL, you get to this level for a reason. If you can’t get “up:” for a game against the best competition in the world then get off the field.
I’m fine with the coaching staff and hope they stick around, except for Juan. But the players need to get their head out of their ass and act like they have a little pride and play like men. If a high school team played half-assed like this I’d be laying into them, let alone a “professional” team.
Yes you can
It’s the coordinator who is teaching these guys what to do, and putting them in positions to succeed… I would agree if it was an anomalie, but this same shit has happened countless times.. I believe it’s Juan’s fault more than the players.
Just wait until December..
Look on the bright side, maybe there will be more aeriola on the open thread breastages.
Oh boy, is this great!
by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Dec 2, 2011 6:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
You spell they way Kurt Coleman tackles :)
"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson
Maybe his team mates forgot his Birthday yesterday
and that’s why DeSean played so shitty…
Even cats bleed Eagle green. . .
Shut down Vick, Maclin, NA, DRC, anyone else that you want to save for next year. Hell, even limit Shady’s playing time. We are officially in the offseason. Activate some guys off of the practice squad and see what you have. Play some second and third stringers more. Jackson obviously doesn’t want to play, doesn’t want to get hurt, so accomodate him and let him watch from the side lines. That way he’ll be all healthy so he can go get his money after the season.
I wasn’t all gaga over this team at the start of the season like some people were but, wow, this is beyond bad.
And seriously, can anyone defend Reid at this point? Man I’m thankful for everything that the guy has done for this team over the years and this is painful to watch, but why the hell should he be brought back? Anyone?
Go Eagles!
because who are you going to replace him with.
We need a new DC, and maybe a new OC, (and yes, I know who brought the current guys in, I get it, no need to beat that dead horse). Andy is our best option at head coach, but we definitely need change.
And don’t tell me Cowher, Gruden, or Fisher. None of them will be better than Reid.
Andy is our best option at head coach
That’s your opinion, not mine.
How is he the best option? What makes you think that he can turn things around? He hasn’t lost the team? It’s not possible for anyone to come in and be successful?
And don’t tell me Cowher, Gruden, or Fisher. None of them will be better than Reid.
I won’t …. don’t want them here.
Go Eagles!
I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY EVERYONE IS SO HAPPY ABOUT DRAFT PICKS
How long have you been following the team?? like seriously 3 weeks?? you know that fat man and his fat ass regime fuck up everything, ALA 40 year old guards, busted ass safteys, busted as D-ends, under sized high motor fucks
(sorry for the caps lock #rage)
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."-Bill Shankly
Dont mind my typos, trying to be sneaky at work like the rest of you
by theaction on Dec 2, 2011 7:14 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I’ve said that I am only happy with the picks if someone else does the picking. Honestly, if the same people are picking it will be hard for me to get excited over the draft (or anything else this coming offseason for that matter).
Go Eagles!
Again how long have you been following the team?
They’re not gonna overhaul the front office over night, and your not the only one “excited” about draft picks. Andy is gonna continue to draft retarded projects the makes everyone scratch their head…Earl Thomas is sittin on the board and is almost a homerun that Eagles draft him, when they were on the clock I was already gettin ready to put up a facebook status about Thomas, “With the 13th pick in the 2010 NFL draft, the Retarded Eagles select…..(opens paper)….BRANDON GRAHAM AHAHAH WHAT A BUNCH OF IDIOTS LOLEAGLES!”
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."-Bill Shankly
Dont mind my typos, trying to be sneaky at work like the rest of you
I’ve been following this team longer than you, probably. I know all of this stuff. One can dream, can’t he?
Go Eagles!
Im just sayin that out of context im sure youve been following for a very long time
but I am so sick of the Eagles Draft non-tactics they have horrible evaluation, its so obvious this year more than any how its catching up to us. Andy and the FO have to literaly hit on almost every pick this year, no more projects, and if we draft one more HIGH MOTOR GUY im gonna off myself
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."-Bill Shankly
Got bad knees and a high motor? Well cmon on over to PHILLY, we'll do our best to put you in the right position and do a better job!
that 26 yr old guard
Has made major strides at a New position. Maybe u don’t watch cause he’s been an absolute mauler in run blocking. Know what your talking about before u start typing crap. I agree drafting been bad but watkins is a bright spot
by flyeaglesfly10 on Dec 2, 2011 12:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Andy’s got that look in his eyes now mid-game that just screams “Please, god, someone fire me.” At this point, you’d have to look at it as a mercy killing. Make Mornhinweg interim coach and then boot him out in the offseason too. Even if it’s unfair for Reid to be thrown to the wolves after so many years of success, the fallout from this season is going to linger well into next year if he’s still head coach. Even if they turn it around and go 11-5 or better next year, perception will be that it’s in spite of him more than anything he’s done right.
jaws is defending djax
…..and golic wants to kill jaws….as do I!!!!!! Jaws wtf are you smoking?
by VRFC8 on Dec 2, 2011 8:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions
and now jaws says
“Donovan mcnabb was playing very well this yr. He for benched because the team wasn’t winning” are u Fucking kidding me?!?!?!;!
by VRFC8 on Dec 2, 2011 8:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions
lol i heard on tv someone saying that he needs to be put in a situation with a strong running game and a good defense.
i dont know how Minny’s d has been this year (guessing not so great), but with AP, how much stronger of a running game do you need?
if past history is an indicator, mcnabb needs to throw the ball 40 times a game to win it…
by RogerPodacter on Dec 2, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
all part of the master plan
get young guys some reps, teach them how bad losing sucks (especially in Philly) , and have nice soft schedule next year for the playoff run.
it’s really not that far-fetched. You have a pretty good offensive line, one of the best backs in the game, a QB that needs to learn to get rid of the ball in a timely fashion, and a very good secondary. the picks just need to be spent on linebackers and the defensive side of the ball
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2011 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
aQBOC that needs to learn to get rid of the ball in a timely fashion
"you cannot think this 6-foot man is going to survive a full season if defenses have 904 chances to knock his block off"
by EaglesandRavensFan on Dec 2, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Cue the music...
“One of these things is not like the other.”
"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson
Formula for success
Motivated, talented players + system matching those talents
I believe a lot of motivation has to come from within the players. So what the Eagles organization can control is the player selection and the systems they are put within.
Gotta change the systems or the players, or change both in places. The bright side for the Eagles is, they’ve got the draft picks, they can dump a lot of players after this season, and they are likely to have high draft picks the way this season is tanking.
My concern is at QB, because I see (other than Eli) only the top echelon QBs winning Super Bowls the past several years. And I agree with Skip Bayless about Vick, I don’t see the consistency in his decision-making and I don’t think he can stay healthy. I don’t think he is an unstoppable talent…..teams are becoming reacquainted with him in film study, and are figuring out how to handle him, the same way they did when he started to peter out with the Falcons.
Vick
I really would like to know what happened between last year and this year. He seems like a totally different player. Last year he gave off a “when Steve young put it all together” vibe and played lights out. Great decision making, running when needed, making throws from the pocket. This year it’s like the old ATL Mike Vick showed up. What happened to all the film study and extra work he talked about doing before last season?
"I’m the real macaroni you cheesy b@#$%, I’m demonic with the Kraft" - Eminem
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by djthekidd on Dec 2, 2011 8:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
can’t blame the offensive line either. Vince Young has had all of the time in the world to make passes
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
Teams gameplan for them differently. They blitz, press, and sometimes use spies to slow down the offense with Vick. They don’t fear Youngs arm, or feet, so they sit back and dare him to throw into coverage (and he does).
"you cannot think this 6-foot man is going to survive a full season if defenses have 904 chances to knock his block off"
by EaglesandRavensFan on Dec 2, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe you should look at all the years he played in the NFL before last year.
And ask yourself what happened between all of those years and last year?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7EwHVOescY
I just think other teams watched a lot of film and figured out his tendencies
And the tendencies of the Eagles offense in general. The big downfield completions to start the games have been taken away. DeSean is ducking contact, which hasn’t helped. Vick overthinks what he is doing, tries to do too much. Tim Tebow is terrible as a pure passer, but he doesn’t make the bad decisions Vick (and Young) make. Andy “Droolin’” Dalton doesn’t try to get a big play with every throw. You want your QB to be like a baseball pitcher…..steady, calm, in control, focused. I don’t see that with Vick.
The rest of your team, you want them going nuts…but not the QB.
by donniethelion on Dec 2, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
The great QBs get it done year in and year out, even when there are years of game film of them to study
Vick, in that 2010 offense, took some defenses by surprise. The surprise factor has ended. What do you do when the D now expects what’s coming? That is where Vick hasn’t performed at the elite level. And a WC offense really needs a great QB at the helm.
by donniethelion on Dec 2, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
When another team figures out your QB isn’t it the Oc’s job to come up with a better game plan. A quarterback can only do so help much in an offense. And we were the 3rd ranked offense before the Arizona game. Not running the ball and keeping Vick trapped in the pocket made this offense more predictable then it already was. All the gimmick bullshit didn’t help either.
"you cannot think this 6-foot man is going to survive a full season if defenses have 904 chances to knock his block off"
by EaglesandRavensFan on Dec 2, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
It’s easy to blame the QB without looking at the pieces around him. The playcalling is worse, in game adjustments don’t exist, the receivers as a whole are playing worse, the want him to learn protection schemes with a rookie center in a shortened offseason. Gotta look at the whole picture. You say he can’t try to do it alone, yet he alive takes the blame even though we were a top 5 offense with him in. I haven’t seen a fanpost yet calling out the receivers.
"you cannot think this 6-foot man is going to survive a full season if defenses have 904 chances to knock his block off"
by EaglesandRavensFan on Dec 2, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My evaluation of Vick includes every season he's played, including college
I think he has some marvelous skills. I think he can do some things no other QB can. But consistent championship level talent? I haven’t seen it.
by donniethelion on Dec 2, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
if there was ever a time to make a coaching change, it’d be now. There’s 4 games left this season, which effectively becomes 4 games to see what parts of this team you do and do not keep. 4 games to preach a new coaching philosophy, try players out at certain positions.
As much as it sucks, this really is a gift. Of course this is being optimistic, but hey, can’t stay morose for too long
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2011 8:38 AM EST reply actions
I could be wrong, but I think if you fire your HC now, you probably have to replace him immediately, unless you want to have a more chaotic situation.
So who is going to decide " what parts of this team you do and do not keep"? Somebody thrust into the position of charge impromtu? I could be wrong but that sounds like a losing way to run an NFL franchise.
This instant HC is going to preach "a new coaching philosophy " for 4 games and that will miraculously improve the team in the years ahead? I could be wrong but that sounds like an opium dream..
"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson
Andy Reid can only do so much with dumbs asses like Juan and Marty.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
Andy is the idiot who hired those idiots.
"Fly Eagles fly..."
"Only the Lord saves more than Bernie..."
by 92-74-99-96 on Dec 2, 2011 8:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
doesn't change the fact
that it’s them that suck
Lurie is the idiot who hired the idiot Andy Reid.
Lurie is also the genius who bought the franchise ( with other people’s money ) from the idiot Norman Braman ( who spent ~$60 Million ) for ~$200Million and has seen it grow in value to ~$1.5 Billion in less than 20 years.
So, have the Eagles out-performed the S&P?
"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson
Can the Eagles get Jon Gruden???
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
Gruden won with Dungee’s team then promptly ran them into the ground. That clown can stay far away from Philly.
"Fly Eagles fly..."
"Only the Lord saves more than Bernie..."
by 92-74-99-96 on Dec 2, 2011 8:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah
but Grudens Raider team that he built was also in the super bowl that year. Everybody always forgets that.
by ZX2355 on Dec 2, 2011 10:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hey,
if you are not part of everybody, who are you?
For that matter, who is anyone who read your comment and allowed the truth of it to sink in?
"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson
Touché...
Valid point on the Raiders. Duly noted…
"Fly Eagles fly..."
"Only the Lord saves more than Bernie..."
by 92-74-99-96 on Dec 2, 2011 12:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it seems pretty stupid to fire Andy Reid, then bring in a disciple of Andy Reid, or more specifically, the Bill Walsh offense
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Dec 2, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
Pretty stupid
is a cut above down right stupid.
In what sense was Gruden a disciple of Andy Reid?
"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson
????
Listen here Chris, its hard enough to watch these stupid birds play, but to come to BGN ,where we should all vent and be on the same page (kinda), and STILL see ppl askin about gruden is just adding fuel to the fire, you dont kno football if you want Gruden in Phily
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."-Bill Shankly
Got bad knees and a high motor? Well cmon on over to PHILLY, we'll do our best to put you in the right position and do a better job!
uh? Raiders? He was a pretty damn good coach when he was in oakland and once again that was his raider team that was in the super bowl that year. Raiders fans love that guy. The current player personnel fits his o style. He would be a good option ‘if’
by ZX2355 on Dec 2, 2011 10:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Uh? Bucs? He ran that team right into the ground.
"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson
uh? Raiders? He was a pretty damn good coach when he was in oakland and once again that was his raider team that was in the super bowl that year. Raiders fans love that guy. The current player personnel fits his o style. He would be a good option ‘if’
by ZX2355 on Dec 2, 2011 10:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
playing for pride now
at this point, this is where you watch and evaluate who’s still giving it their all and who’s giving up.
I'm with you, Vince.
By the “end” of wisdom, is that stupid shite William Faulkner referencing the “death” of wisdom or the “goal” of wisdom?
By dreaming “high” enough is that piece of dead wood William Faulkner referencing drug use or mountain climbing? Neither? So WTF is he talking about?
You don’t need to score more than 4 in the Wonderlic to know that Faulkner is an irrelevant boil on the ass of world literature.
"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson
I was
at the game last night and what a fucking embarrassment. After Lynch looked like he was stuffed and locked up and then broke free, I knew the game was done. The team looked awful on tackling. I would love to know how many tackles we missed.
As a side note, Seahawks fans are dicks as much as people say Philly fans are. When Nnamdi went down a whole group was cheering around me and saying “Great!” and laughing and say he deserved it. Another guy was calling Reggie White a homo because a guy had a jersey on. Really Reggie White? Yep, Eagles fans are the worse though.
If you are going through hell, keep going-Churchill
I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7
Lol
Seahawks fans have nothing to show for, one of the most embarassing organizations in the league, id rather be a browns fans
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."-Bill Shankly
Got bad knees and a high motor? Well cmon on over to PHILLY, we'll do our best to put you in the right position and do a better job!
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