Some Points Of Reason
by d-jackfan10 on Nov 8, 2011 4:07 AM EST
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PrintOne week we're seeing "Can anyone beat us?" and the next we're seeing the masterpiece JoeD wrote. I'm really sick of going from one extreme to the other after every week. 5 weeks into the season, we're ready to put Andy Reid's head on a stick outside the Linc. 8 weeks into the year he's a coaching genius who is a great people manager that is suddenly leading one of the hottest teams in football. 9 weeks in and I've got no idea how I feel about Andy Reid anymore.
So, in an attempt to avoid this constant up and down I'm going to reason with myself.
First Point Of Reason: The Chicago Bears were coming off a bye week
-As Eagles fans, we all know the value of a bye week. The Bears were coming off of one and it showed. They had a great defensive game-plan that confused Vick and adequately defended LeSean McCoy.
Second Point Of Reason: Perhaps Our Expectations Were Too High
-Perhaps, even though we completely despise it, we let the "Dream Team" moniker get to our heads. Just the simple fact that it was reasonable to mention such a thing had to affect us on some level, right? Well perhaps we got ahead of ourselves. Perhaps our Eagles biases were compounded beyond reasonable levels amongst all the Eagles hype and dramatics.
We already thought Michael Vick was a great player, suddenly he was the player with our championship hopes all on his shoulders. Did we get ahead of ourselves? Was Michael Vick just an aberration last year? Statistically, that argument is a complete and total fallacy. But as we've so painfully learned, games aren't played on paper. His decisions this year are worse. He is more inaccurate. The spectacular big plays downfield that he and DeSean became notorious for, have disappeared. He doesn't consistently display touch on downfield throws. He doesn't come through in the 4th quarter, we've failed to win games late, if there was no 4th quarter the Eagles would be 7-1. He looks rattled. He doesn't appear to have the same moxy and flair that he had last year. If I was a betting man, I would bet that Michael Vick will never win a Superbowl, with any team at any point in his career. Just look at the rapid decline of Michael Vick, in his first 10 starts he had 19 TDs and 5 INTs, in his next 10 he has 12 TDs and 10 INTs and the Eagles are 3-7. That's scary because we just invested 100 million in that guy.
DeSean Jackson isn't the same player he was. Anyone who can't see that isn't watching the games. He looks disinterested, he is short arming catches, he is hearing footsteps, he is dropping passes and quite frankly he isn't getting separation. He doesn't look like he is trying. He isn't a top 20 receiver in the NFL. That, is fact.
And then there is Jeremy Maclin, what in the world happened to him? He went from clutch receiver extraordinaire in his first two years to suddenly being a guy who is dropping passes on critical 4th downs, fumbling footballs on game winning drives and slipping on game deciding 4th down plays. What happened? Bad luck? Who really knows, but he isn't the same either.
Those silly FootballOutsiders' stats told us Asante Samuel was an elite corner last year. What we failed to account for was the fact that he was playing across from Ellis Hobbs and Dimitri Patterson. We completely ignored how bad Asante Samuel is in the red-zone. We excused his terrible tackling. He wasn't beaten deep so we said his river boat gambling tendencies were overblown. Now, 8 weeks into the season and he's already allowed more yards than he did last year and he has allowed just as many touchdowns. Elite player? Hardly, Asante is a good player who has limitations.
We're a good team, don't get me wrong. We've got a BUNCH of talent. When we're on, we might be the best team in the NFL. But THAT's the problem, we're so inconsistent. One week we shut down Tony Romo, Miles Austin, Dez Bryant and Jason Witten and the next we get burned by Jay Cutler and Earl Bennett.
Third Point Of Reason: So how good are we really?
We're not as good as we looked against Dallas but we're not as bad as we looked in the first 5 weeks of the season. We're closer to the performance we saw tonight against the Bears. We're not superbowl good like we looked against Dallas, we're a team that is almost good enough to beat a team that was in the NFC Championship last year. So we're playoff team good but our early season struggles are going to hinder our playoff chances.
Lets just establish a hierarchy of the NFC really quickly:
Tier 1: Green Bay Packers, San Francisco 49ers
Tier 2: New York Giants
Tier 3: Chicago Bears, Detroit Lions, New Orleans Saints, Atlanta Falcons
Tier 3.5: Philadelphia Eagles
Why are we lower than those teams? We lack toughness, we're soft, mentally and physically. Its why we can't close out games or stop the run. We've had the lead heading into the 4th quarter in 7 of 8 games. Yes, you read that correctly. Who do we put that on? I say that it's because our players lack a killer instinct and are soft. That's the only explanation. We're a bunch of chokers and the most talented 3-5 team ever (which is like being the tallest midget, but hey whatever).
Fourth Point Of Reason: Our season is over.
Barring a spectacular series of events, a wholesale change in mentality and a bunch of stuff breaking in our favor (which hasn't been happening), our season is over. These guys better get a good travel agent because after the beating they're going to take from fans and media over the next couple weeks, they're going to need a very relaxing vacation. I guess we can root for LeSean McCoy to go to the probowl and root for him to lead the NFL in rushing? That's about it.
I'm done with thinking we're going to change. If it happens, great. If it doesn't, oh well. I'm setting my expectations low.
We're not the awful team that ESPN is going to tell us we are this week but we're also not the second best team in football behind the Green Bay Packers like Deion Sanders told us last week. Take that for what it's worth and do with this information what you please. I'm just trying to get away from the extremes that this team has us going swinging back and forth towards. Does this mean Andy Reid should be fired? No. Does this mean Andy Reid should be kept? No. All I'm trying to do is accurately discuss this team and avoid the drastic initial reactions that we're all prone to.
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I'm chasing you on this.
You’ll see “A systemic analysis of the Eagles’ problems” from me in a few days.
Good reasoning.
Veritas Liberabit Te
Agree with everything except the part about Vick.
67 percent completion rate. Did you see all the late hits he was taking Monday? Reminds me of Vikings game last year. When he takes a lot of hits, he tend to make stupid decision to avoid getting hit. Our O-line got destroyed. Todd Heremans sucks ass as a RT. Against a competent d-line, Heremans plays poorly.
Fine.. put in Kafka or Young and see how far this team goes. You be lucky to score 15 points. Oh yeah we were playing against potential HOF named Urlacher and Peppers. Maybe not first ballot but they are damn good. Everyone is discrediting the Bears’ defense.
Fine.. put in Kafka or Young and see how far this team goes. You be lucky to score 15 points. Oh yeah we were playing against potential HOF named Urlacher and Peppers. Maybe not first ballot but they are damn good. Everyone is discrediting the Bears’ defense.Now the Eagles’ defense… now that’s the problem
Run Shady Run to the road to victory.
Keep Vick, I’m just saying that he is on the second tier of QBs. There are elite superbowl caliber passers and then there is Vick, McNabb (used to be), Jay Cutler, Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan. Vick wins games, not championships.
Draft me a young guy like Ryan Tannehill early in round 2 and develop him. Vick isn’t the future, he is the present, but he isn’t the guy who is going to lead this team to the promise land.
And the Maclin throw is a perfect example of why completion % doesn’t matter. Vick has a 100% completion percentage on that throw but it certainly wasn’t an accurate throw, the fact that it was too high made Maclin lose his balance and slip. That was ultimately on Michael Vick.
Kafka is going to be a good back-up, that’s it.
The Curse of Lombardi
I AM NOT A DESEAN JACKSON FAN
-DeSean Jackson was once the great young wide receiver hope of this franchise, he has since devolved into a rich man's Todd Pinkston, otherwise known as Alligator Arms. My DeSean Jackson fan-hood was misguided.
Okay, that game wasn’t all on Vick… come on. Our punter throws like a girl… why would you let him do that?
Run Shady Run to the road to victory.
And Jackson can hold onto the ball
The Eagles season so far has been riddled with mental mistakes. I’m not sure what it is but I think that the Eagles are close to really putting it together. It’s the mental mistakes, shortened offseason and all the new players. Once they can get a season under their belt I think a lot of these mistakes will be cleaned up.
Vick....
I’m really not sure I agree on Vick. I mean 31-21 at start of the 4th vs ATL. 23-3 in the 3rd vs SF. 24-17 in the 4th vs CHI. At some point the D has to man up and hold a lead. I’m not sure this D is capable of that. There is alot of we need to do this and that better, but I dont see anyone holding each other accountable on the field.
Another thing... there is one particular play that I remember.
It’s was in the 4th quarter and either the nickel corner back blew the coverage or it was NA. Anyway, the guy calling the game mentioned that the Nnamdi had to stick with his defender because someone missed the coverage. I couldn’t tell who fault it was but NA stuck on a guy who looked to be covered while either Bennett or someone else looked opened. Hopefully that is the play someone does the analysis on.
I think the players are just disinterested.
Run Shady Run to the road to victory.
It was DRC, he blew that shit. The Eagles were playing man and he appeared to be playing zone and his eyes were in the backfield while Earl Bennett scoot right past him. DRC cost us that game IMO. Sure we had the DeSean fumble and the high Vick pass but if DRC wasn’t get roasted on every third down, we’re not even in a close game.
The Curse of Lombardi
I AM NOT A DESEAN JACKSON FAN
-DeSean Jackson was once the great young wide receiver hope of this franchise, he has since devolved into a rich man's Todd Pinkston, otherwise known as Alligator Arms. My DeSean Jackson fan-hood was misguided.
At some point you have to assume that the DB's are going to figure out how to play together?
Cutler picking on DRC (and Asante) really made the difference in the game I think, outside of the special team lapses (although, bravo on keeping Hester down).
There’s too much talent to be as loose as they were with busted coverage and bad coverage. How much of it’s on Castillo and how much is on the back 4 is probably something to really start thinking about.
Five foot three seems to thrive on his misery...
Agree on the players not being interested
I’d love for Cullen Jenkins to be interviewed again, after he ripped them a month ago for showing no urgency. I think they’re fascinated with the idea of playing for this team, without being actually wanting to do what it takes to win once they are playing.
by DLawrence55 on Nov 10, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
If we lose to another NFC team with playoff potential then our team
Then our season is officially over
Formerly number5
RIP JJ
Sadly
We’re all but done at this point.
The Curse of Lombardi
I AM NOT A DESEAN JACKSON FAN
-DeSean Jackson was once the great young wide receiver hope of this franchise, he has since devolved into a rich man's Todd Pinkston, otherwise known as Alligator Arms. My DeSean Jackson fan-hood was misguided.
Nah we still have a chance
But were as close as we can get to no return as possible
Formerly number5
RIP JJ
by HawaiianGreen on Nov 8, 2011 4:37 AM EST up reply actions
We’re 3-5 and two games off the wild card at the half way point of the season, we’re done.
The Curse of Lombardi
I AM NOT A DESEAN JACKSON FAN
-DeSean Jackson was once the great young wide receiver hope of this franchise, he has since devolved into a rich man's Todd Pinkston, otherwise known as Alligator Arms. My DeSean Jackson fan-hood was misguided.
I’m still on this train, the destination is just a little bit further away than I expected.
The Curse of Lombardi
I AM NOT A DESEAN JACKSON FAN
-DeSean Jackson was once the great young wide receiver hope of this franchise, he has since devolved into a rich man's Todd Pinkston, otherwise known as Alligator Arms. My DeSean Jackson fan-hood was misguided.
I'm always
on this damn train, I just wish it would eventually stop at a SB.
If you are going through hell, keep going-Churchill
I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7
Awesome
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
Here's the deal
The Eagles may not be done; but they are to me until they prove something. Which, in other words, means ‘win the next four games, and then let’s talk about chances’.
You live in a sunny place where there are hot, nude women on your beaches.
And this has affected your judgment.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
So here we go with another Vick bashing segment
You say he is inaccurate, but he is completing 62% of his passes for the 2nd consecutive season. You can’t place the blame at the feet of Vick for losing games. Both sides of the ball should be called out. Offense needs to step up, defense needs to shut down people. Desean’s fumble killed us today even though we made it even. You just have to believe, and if you want to believe that there is another QB in the draft that will be our future then go ahead.. I still believe in this team.
Since you playing ball let me show you how I put my "D" down........ Rebound!!! Your man dropped the ball and I caught it, Im trying to Lay-up in ur body, ya Im ballin!!!
That is true it's not all Vicks fault
But another red zone INT doesn’t help. And yes he is completing a nice percent. But the Maclin catch goes towards a nice completion %, but the throw was terrible. That is on Vick. If that was McNabb all the haters would be out on him so Vick should be getting the same. He can be accurate at times, but the Maclin as wide open as he was, that needed to be a better throw!
Well said.
"Respect all. Fear none."
- Tom Coughlin
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 8, 2011 8:31 AM EST reply actions
Not over till it's over
and no team has the potential to get more dangerous than yours, particularly with all the playmakers on board.
you are really taking this thing all the way, aren't you, bri.....
"Respect all. Fear none."
- Tom Coughlin
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 8, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
rubbing salt in the wounds? Our season is practically over. We would have to go practically perfect with a collapse from either Giants or Falcons, Bears and Saints to even sniff a wildcard spot.
Run Shady Run to the road to victory.
none of that
is impossible or even all that unlikely.
Both the Falcons and the Bears inexplicably hold tiebreakers against us for any wild card spot
Inexplicable, but also true. It’s division or bust, through and through.
Dec 18, 2010
That is all I have to say. Eagles are not dead until they are 6 feet in the ground.
This team is like your skitzo girlfirend
Sometimes she is wonderful and everything is good, then she is terrible and you have no idea how things could have ever been good with her.
Our 4th quarter meltdowns are all on coaching. Clearly we are unable to adjust to situations that present themselves to us. You know how the eagles beat the bears? Spread out there defense, put more speed on the field then there linebackers can handle, then pepper in runs and screens when they get complacent…. I have no excuse for anyone right now. MM sucks, JC really sucks, AR you suck too. Talent is what you make it, and right now we are failing to use our talent. AKA Bad coaching.
Stats won't get you in the playoffs. Winning will get you in the playoffs
-Michael Vick-
I have to take umbrage with your argument on Vick
Vick is actually playing pretty damn well this season:
He is more inaccurate
He is actually completeing 62 percent of his passes which is the same as last year and we are only halfway through the season. So lets wait on that assumption.
If we are looking at what is essentially "luck"stats i.e. game winning drives then you have to take in account the argument of his rapid decline as you so put. Many of his interceptions this year have been credited to him but in fact have had more than few that were the result of some terrible luck or tipped balls. Yes, you can say the tipped ball is depended upon the QB but is just as much so dependent on the defender. Same argument applies on game winning drives. Not every QB will have those drives, some do from game to game and will vary as there is no statistical way to prove the “clutchiness”. Those game winning drives are also predicated on the rest of the team doing their job such as catching the ball, not fumbling the ball after caught, or play calling. Oh and another, Vick was knocked out of a few games 4th quarters.
The spectacular big plays downfield that he and DeSean became notorious for, have disappeared.
You are crediting Vick with gameplan instead of the OC or HC. This doesnt fall on Vick’s shoulders solely and you should know that.
I pretty much agree with everything else that you have to say but the biggest one to me is inconsistency. The shortened off-season really screwed us with the fact that we had so much turnover. New coaches (one that is very outmached and underqualified) and hoard of new players learning new schemes on the fly. Temperance, I agree, is our best action going forward but sillier shit has happened and who knows maybe we will go 11-5.
If you are going through hell, keep going-Churchill
I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7
I agree 100% about Vick
Formerly BWestFactor
FLY #7 FLY !
by ShadyMcVickFactor on Nov 8, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Vick
The redzone INT last night was 100% on Vick. The batted short dumpoff pass that Urlacher tipped was on Vick. The dumpoff pass would have been sweet, you have to get it past one defender.
Vicks completion % is good again this season but that only goes so far. You still have to hit a guy in stride, etc. Maclin’s catch from last night is a perfect example. He caught it but it was a terrible pass. A WR that wide open needs to get a better pass, he would have easily had a first down. Instead he make a great catch and in doing so loses his footing. I put that on Vick.
Last night was dreadful all around. You can’t blame just Vick, or Jackson, or Chas or any individual. Lets call it what it was, a whoopin!!!
Agreed
on the INT, that was def his fault. The short dumpoff pass can be attributed to Urlacher as much as Vick. Get it past one defender indeed but it is Urlacher who a HOF LB who played that exactly right.
The throw to Maclin was a bad throw I give you that but your statement at the end really ties it all on in. This really isnt on Vick so much as the team. I just dont like it when any single player is pointed out. The whole team played like a smashed bag of assholes last night, plain and simple.
If you are going through hell, keep going-Churchill
I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7
agreed!
Although the dump off pass I think Vick could have lobbed it over a little bit. Vick isn’t tall and he looked like he didn’t get any air under it to try to get over Urlacher. I think Urlacher blocked it on his way up not even to his peak of the jump yet. But it is what it is now.
This team has such great talent, but are also young and inexperienced at very key positions (LB comes to mind). I think next year with a year under their belt and a full offseason a lot of these little pissy mistakes will take care of themselves. I’m hoping for that anyway.
A WHOOPIN????
I couldnt disagree more………..this was not a whooping by any means, it was the same old shit that this team has been doing all year……………their heart disappears sometime early in the 4th quarter………….look at every game they have played this year, they have not gotten whooped by anyone………….i cannot think of one of the 5 loses this year that this team of quitters didnt hand the game to the other team. Last nite was no different……………if you listened only to Gruden then yes I would say we got whopped as he had a fucking hard on for Briggs and Urlacher from the opening drive………but lets face the facts, (Vick INT in red zone) Jackson dicking around after the punt and he fumbles it…………Maclin and Jackson dropped so many fucking passes last nite that we solid throws from Vick in the numbers…………….hell we even choked on the fake punt which had the pass been longer and higher (from an ex QB punter) we may have very well had a TD on that play…………so I dont think for one damn second we got whooped……………….this fucking team does not finish games…………………they beat themselves…….
by ILnumber1eaglesfan on Nov 8, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
The Cowboys started way worse than this
The Eagles could actually salvage this season and make the playoffs, the Cobwoys were absolutely dead in the water this time last year.
Win ugly.
by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 9, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
If I find the right name, I’ll do it. I’m still up for suggestions.
The Curse of Lombardi
I AM NOT A DESEAN JACKSON FAN
-DeSean Jackson was once the great young wide receiver hope of this franchise, he has since devolved into a rich man's Todd Pinkston, otherwise known as Alligator Arms. My DeSean Jackson fan-hood was misguided.
Ideas for you
Jamaal is the real Jackson
Jettison DeSean
ShunDeSean
DeShot (or: DeShop Jackson)
DonewithDeSean
Get Vick Better Targets
And some alternative, non-DeSean related nicknames:
Aguila de Nevada (Eagle from Nevada in Spanish)
Skating Eagle (since you said you were “just skating by” at UNLV)
Right team, wrong state (since I think you don’t like living in Vegas)
Los Nazarios (complicated to explain – it relates to my family)
Over the bridge (didn’t you say something about a bridge separating different parts of Vegas?)
Eternal Eagle (after all, you’re pretty active in the Eternal Threads)
French fries are really Belgian, sausages and bagels have the same amount of protein, two countries' names mean "turkey", and Santa Claus was invented by the Coca-Cola company. Is life weird or what?
Debe ser verde y volante - Πράσινο και να πετάει - It's gotta be green and it's gotta fly!
Or base one on any other player you like
(I find myself missing Leonard Weaver a lot lately)
French fries are really Belgian, sausages and bagels have the same amount of protein, two countries' names mean "turkey", and Santa Claus was invented by the Coca-Cola company. Is life weird or what?
Debe ser verde y volante - Πράσινο και να πετάει - It's gotta be green and it's gotta fly!
It’s hard to look at Vicks regression and that of the receivers separately. When your guys can’t beat press coverage, run shitty routes, and drop an alarming number of balls your QB will suffe r. Hes throwing ints because he’s having to fit it into smaller Windows cause guys aren’t getting open. Also between the frustration of the poor WR play, and not being able to settle in the pocket this game was a recipe for disaster for Vick. How do you leave Julius Peppers umblocked? Hell the oline didn’t do McCoy many favors either all night. But you gotta give credit. Chicago had an excellent game plan. The eagles thought they were going to exploit Chicagos zone defense, and when Chicago showed something different it was like Marty was stumped. Meanwhile Cutler is just destroying the sorry excuse for a zone defense we played. We can blame the d line all day , but when its 4 rushing against 7 blocking and their wrs get open against our 7 db’s there’s a problem there. Desean Jackson is dead to me. Hes useless against teams that play press coverage, he’s been useless as a kr, and when they try to get him involved in the intermediate stuff he tends to run bad routes and pussy foot it. I like big recievers that invite contact. Where was avant last night. If I would dare call any of the eagles recievers clutch, it would be him, but didn’t hear to much from him. This game was just all around frustrating.
"you cannot think this 6-foot man is going to survive a full season if defenses have 904 chances to knock his block off"
by EaglesandRavensFan on Nov 8, 2011 2:00 PM EST reply actions
Team game
It is a team game, but what is hilarious is the coverage Vick is getting. Face it, the man signed a $100 million contract. He is paid to produce big time, now 100% may not be on him but a big portion is. Philly fans quick to praise Vick but hesitate to criticize when its due. Defense is under performing, coaching is spotty, QB play is spotty, running game is great for the eagles, and special teams needs some attention.
Where were these defenses when you had McNabb? People were so glad to throw him under the bus when the rest of the team was “great.”
the problem with desean...
WHY HAVENT WE PAID HIM!! i understand we brought in a ton of guys, and im sure theres a ton of money shuffling around that needs to be done. but we need to get that guy paid…arguably the most explosive player in the NFL and he deserves to be paid more then 600,000 a year. I mean come on. And to say hes not interested, i dont think thats a fair comment. He came back from his hold out cuz he wanted to play and help us win (which we havent unfortunately) enough said. PAY JACKSON NOW!!! or at least guarantee him the franchise tag going into next year
I agreed with you...
about 9 weeks ago. But he’s not worth what his douche of and agent is no doubt asking for, not even close. Pay Shady, Pay Mathis, then worry about Desean.
McCoy recently..
fired Drew Rosenhaus as his agent, which if im correct is now the second time that has happened. Rosenhaus is also Jacksons agent. Ive never liked Rosenhaus, and McCoy fired him for a reason. Im sure if DJ had someone else representing him, hed be much further along in getting paid
De Sean Jackson and Macklin haven't been the same since they met Dunta over the middle.
they don’t seem like they want to go over the middle and if they do, they are tentative.
Jackson was never a true elite reciever. True top level Pro- Bowl caliber receivers don’t average 3-4 catches per game and are able to do more than go long in man coverage. Although he is a true big play threat, he isw very limited and teams make adjustments to handle what he is capable of doing over the top.
Also, the Bears actually suck. They only have Matt Forte as a weapon. The Giants..meh… they are not close to Green Bay. Alex Smith will fold, he is not the real deal. The NFC is between Green Bay, Atlanta and New Orleans. Green Bay is on top unless they get some injuries. Saints still have the best offense.
If Pro is the opposite of Con, what is the opposite of Progress? Congress!
-Men's Restroom - House of Representatives, Washington, DC
The Bears don't suck
It’s sad that we can’t beat them, but they have an elite qb, elite rb, improving line, the best defensive end in the last 10 years, the 2nd best linebacker of the last 10 years.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Unfair criticism of Vick
He has been VERY accurate this year. Sure, he makes bad decisions, but the ball usually goes exactly where he wants it to go. Honestly, speaking strictly from an “accuracy” standpoint, I saw one bad throw all game. That was the 4th and 10 throw to Maclin that McNabb would have been crucified for.
He has been let down all year by his receivers. Maclin has concentration and toughness issues. jackson has bad hands and is a punk. How many 20-yard passes were beautifully thrown by vick and dropped by jackson/maclin? I counted 3. His statline would have been pretty damn good if his receivers didn’t keep letting him down.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Vick will never win a Super Bowl
The QBs that win Super Bowls are the QBs that step up in the pocket, pick apart defenses, and read defenses like they are a cheap novel. Vick is at his best when he makes plays running around. Absent those plays, he’s mediocre at best. He will have some good games staying in the pocket, and some bad ones, and the end result will be mediocrity or slightly above, not Super Bowl status.
He’s not real smart, and he’s not young- there’s a lot of film on him and if he was a true elite QB, everyone would know it by now.
If Pro is the opposite of Con, what is the opposite of Progress? Congress!
-Men's Restroom - House of Representatives, Washington, DC
well written, reasoned anaylsis of where this team stands
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