Eagles Defensive Lowlights Vs Patriots
by JasonB on Nov 29, 2011 9:04 PM EST
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PrintWe started doing this top five defensive plays series the week after the Giants game, which was great because the Eagles defense played fantastic in that game. However, against the Patriots, I think we would struggle to find one good example of a defensive play worth praising. So we're looking at the worst instead. Here are the lowlights with the times you can find them at in the highlights after the jump.
No one covers Wes Welker (1:06) - It appeared that Joselio Hanson may have been playing zone and was supposed to pass off Welker to safety Nate Allen, but instead those two ended up standing next to each other as Welker strode by and caught the easiest TD pass of his life.
Brandon Hughes dives for nothing (:48) - Tom Brady is flushed out of the pocket on what looks like a broken play. The coverage seems to be pretty good at first, but Brady starts pointing out where he wants Deion Branch to go, fires a pass to him that Brandon Hughes helplessly dives at and misses (taking himself out of the play) and Branch catches the pass for a long gain.
Welker beats Hanson (1:45) - Brady completes a pass to Welker near the goal line. Joselio Hanson has Welker in front of him, but that doesn't matter as Welker just races past him to the pylon for a TD. Neither Curtis Marsh nor Nate Allen could get over to help.
Gronkowski blows by everyone (3:17) - We've generally liked the way Brian Rolle has played this season, but this is a not a pretty highlight. Rob Gronkowski blows by him on this play and neither Nate Allen or Kurt Coleman provide any help over the top.
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You mentioned Welker beats Hanson at 3:25 but the video is only 3:27 mintues long.
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S on this team SUCK
They were a huge problem last year and again this year. They are just as bad if not worse than the LBs since Rolle/Chaney got into the lineup. Allen has played 1 good month of football now (last Sept) so far and Coleman just simply isn’t big enough or good enough to start at S in the NFL.
I know Jarrett is just a rookie but he simply looks lost out when he has played and it says a lot of him that he can’t take a starting role this late in the season. I was hoping that he would get up to speed & be able to take the starter’s job at this point. If the Eagles do lose this week, I really hope they make Jarrett the starter the last 3-4 G to see if he might be the answer next year as the starter.
Long way from the likes of Hopkins/Waters & even Dawkins/Mikell. Hell even the likes or Rich Miano would be an upgrade over these guys.
That’s not true. Allen played really well when he got back into the starting LB earlier in the year.
But yeah, he was terrible in this game.
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Really well? No way. They won’t have the passing stats they do against them that they do if he did.
There also seems to be this notion that he played well before he got hurt too.
As bad as he was on Sunday night vs Pats, Allen was worse last year in the Titans’ game and you could possibly argue the Bears’ game too. He had a couple of real stinkers already.
Yes, he did not play well at all last year when he came back from injury.
BUt he he did play well when he got into the starting lineup this year. We’ll see what happens from here on out though.
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Allen sucks
All his picks last year and this year were results of poor throws by the opposing qb and nothing more. he has done nothing. Look at the pick this year. The ball was severly underthrown when allen was clearly burned for a sure td. Allen has a great frame but can not tackle worth shit.
by CornOnTheKolb on Nov 29, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. He was slated in the draft stuff I saw as a 4th-6th round pick. Slow and confused is a lethal combo to any guy trying to crap an NFL secondary.
He is an in the box safety at best
He is basically another kurt coleman…if that, which is sad really
by CornOnTheKolb on Nov 29, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
him and marsh
were both HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE reaches… sigh
by BleedinGreen116 on Nov 29, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
In what "draft stuff?"
Todd McShay had him rated as a 2nd rounder.
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"it says a lot of him that he can’t take a starting role this late in the season."
I think it says more to the fact that Juan can’t use his personnel correctly.
Rolle isn't as good as people think
And I know people don’t think he’s a Pro Bowler, but he’s made a couple of nice plays that people remember, but at LB it can be easy to hide sometimes. A run play gains 3 yards, but fans to don’t see Rolle being slow to react. The point is I’ve gone back and watched a lot of how the LBs play, which is easier than say a DB because there almost always in the camera’s long view. Anyway, Rolle reacts slowly and doesn’t shed blocks well. I swear one of the biggest problems with Eagles LBs is making simple reads on pass or run or following pulling linemen. Rolle has, however, improved with playing time and that’s a good sign.
Interesting observations. It seems like at the beginning of the season the problem with the LBs was overpursuit. Seems like they have done a better job of correcting for that a bit as the season has worn on but in pass coverage when they have 3 LBs out there it can be pretty ugly due to the lack of skill & awareness especially with Chaney in a zone.
We just need a major upgrade at LB
And a new DC……. We said the same thing last year, and we got a O line coach…… I wonder what will happen next year IF Andy is still around. He may hire the Media Guy to be the DC……
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Nov 29, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Why do the safeties/LB's bite so badly on play action?
They’re so afraid of giving up a 5 yard run that they charge the line of scrimmage, leave a receiver uncovered and give away a backbreaking TD pass. It doesn’t make sense.
Wholesale change on the defensive coaching staff - AGAIN
At this point, it is pretty much a foregone conclusion they will have a lot of change again among the defensive coaches. It will be interesting to see if Washburn sticks around or jumps for a better situation because there isn’t a ton of young talent on this defense either.
It doesn’t get talked about much but who will be good and under 30 next year on the defense. Babin will be 32. Cole will be 30. Samuel and Nnamdi will both be 31. Ditto Jenkins.
People rag on Castillo endlessly but even if they bring in a great defensive coordinator next year, this is a defense whose best players are maybe starting to get a bit long in the tooth, little depth anywhere because of the crummy drafting the last few years despite a ton of picks on defense the last 2 drafts, and several holes.
Even if they bring in a great defense coordinator who brings in a better system that the guys believe in & is built to their strengths, it is hard to see this defense being a Top 10 next year. It might be better but hard to see it being a unit that can be the backbone of this team.
Can just for once
I see you type an optimistic comment? Just one time. I mean I agree that our defense is getting up there in age (and the fact that Castillo should have been fired after he signed the contract), but there isn’t still reason to believe they could be a possible top 10 again just because of age because while they are still getting up their in age, its not like they are that far from their primes (especially for a guy like Jenkins who is statistically having his best year).
But then again, I think if we had the top defense in the league in every statistical category filled with a bunch of 25 year old players who all managed to get elected to the pro bowl and first team all pro teams, you would still find something to not like about it.
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When I think there is a reason for optimism, I will bring it up. There are some good pieces here but the defense is simply as easy to fix as installing an experienced defensive coordinator & bringing in 1-2 new LBs.
When I thought the Eagles were going to beat the Giants two weeks ago on here, I was told I was an idiot in so many words. Nor did I think they should have fired Reid earlier this year which made no sense or simply ‘get rid of Jackson’ regardless.
There are plenty of good things about this team including the o-line, McCoy, WRs, etc. Defense though isn’t one of them right now and I am pretty suspect it will be next year.
What irks me off about so many Eagles’ fans is that they so over reactionary. When they win, they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. When they lose, they are f@cking horrendous, Reid is an idiot, blah blah blah and the level of over reaction isn’t the same in a bunch of places I have lived including SF/Oakland.
It is a very passionate, opinionated, knowledgeable fanbase for the most part but one that often goes completely overkill too.
Agreed
People are waaaay overrating right now.
I think the success of the past 10 years has given some people a ridiculous sense of entitlement.
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by philiafan14364 on Nov 29, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
McDermott got fired and was made a bit of a scapegoat last year for a defense that gave up a record number of passing TDs (31 – worst in the NFL), epic struggles in the red zone, struggles to get off the field on 3rd down (38.3% which was 17th in the NFL), giving up too many big plays/passing yards (7.0 Yards/Catch) and the points allowed (23.6 which was 12th in the NFL).
Eagles are on pace to give up the same amount of passing TDs (31), has struggled to get off the field on 3rd down again (37.7% which is 16th in the NFL), had struggles preventing TDs again this year in the red zone, giving up big plays and passing yards on catches (7.7 yards/catch), and just about as many pts allowed (22.8 which was 15th in the NFL).
It isn’t as bad a defense as some make it out to be but it is at best a middle-of-the-road unit which hasn’t improved any over last year despite a number of FA acquisitions and draft picks spent on it.
Gah. NFL removed the video.
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I think we have to give Derek Landri special credit. He was going to scoop and score with the fumble late in the game, but then it occurred to him that Shady hadn’t run for 100 yards yet. Landri selflessly went down so that Shady could pad his stats. Derek Landri is the Mother Teresa of DTs.
I thought Curtis Marsh was a RB
what is he doing in coverage?
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