Eagles Players Expected More Running

Our wr’s aren’t catching the ball or holding onto the ball very well. Keep throwing the ball. We keep losing games with our air butterfinger attack. Keep throwing the ball. We have the best rb in the league. Keep throwing the bAll. Our starting qb is injured because he got beat up because of all pass plays we call. Keep throwing the ball.

by Saidrick on Nov 28, 2011 1:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs

It’s an embarrassment, a complete disgrace. I am thoroughly disgusted. Remember a trip to Oakland recently where the Raiders at the time had (I believe) the 32nd ranked rush D, and Morninwheg and Reid aired it out all day en route to a loss? I will never understand their outright refusal to run the ball. Add in that your starting QB & #1 WR are out and it should dictate that you might want to utilize the ground game even more. I’m not often speechless, but…

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by 92-74-99-96 on Nov 28, 2011 1:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions

Yeah, but...

Add McCoy to the list. It also includes Correll Buckhalter, Duce Staley, Brian Westbrook, etc. The only time we run the ball consistently is when our starting QB goes down for the year (2002, 2006).

by ajay on Nov 28, 2011 1:21 PM EST reply actions

Really thought the Eagles already had their annual ‘pass-crazy game that leads to a loss’ vs Cards.

Even if they had rushed McCoy more though a couple of more times especially in the 1st half, I don’t see it changing the outcome of the game in any substantial way.

Not with the way the defense played.

by MG77 on Nov 28, 2011 1:22 PM EST reply actions

sure would have controlled the clock a bit better, allowing the D to get a little bit of rest.
instead, the O wen’t 3 and out far too often, running almost no time off the clock.

granted, the D should work to get themselves off the field and not rely on the offense, but this is Tom Brady we’re talking about.

by RogerPodacter on Nov 28, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions

The Coodinators Need to Go

Not Andy.

ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th

Namdey Asomgua sucks.We should have signed Antoneo Cromote so he could have taught his brother, cousin, son or however they are related how to play in teh slotz.I also h8 his nice guy act. I herd he blows through teh hoes faster than runningbacks thru our dfense.
by Snax on Oct 5, 2011 11:02 AM PDT

Shady is the best RB in the NFL not AP
he is the real deal, that dude scares me to death more than anyone on that team besides Vick with time to throw the ball
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by ChiaCrack on Nov 5, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

by EagleEyes on Nov 28, 2011 1:23 PM EST reply actions

Who hired the coordinators...?

by ajay on Nov 28, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions

Thank God I’m not the only one who sees this. I can’t believe Reid still has supporters.

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by 92-74-99-96 on Nov 28, 2011 1:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Really? I fully support him.

He’s not the one out there dropping passes and blowing coverages.

Sure, he hired one and got those players, but personnel decisions are hard. He’s been pretty good with them- but nobody’s perfect.

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by bdawk4ever on Nov 28, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions

I used to support him. Not any more. His clock management is horrid, he & Morninwheg ignore the NFL’s leading rusher, the practice of using picks in the first couple rounds on “project” players while making 4th through 7th rounders starters, the promotion to DC of that idiot “Hardworking” Juan Castillo. I can’t take anymore, I’ve reached my limit.

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by 92-74-99-96 on Nov 29, 2011 3:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

he also brought in Jim Johnson

by smeagle on Nov 28, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions

So?

by ajay on Nov 28, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions

And Juan Castillo

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by macjack09 on Nov 28, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions

The same guy

that has one of (if not the largest) Coaching Tree’s in the league. Now, Im in NO WAY excluding blame for this season from Andy. He deserves his fair share, but, lets not forget that he almost allows his Coordinators to run the team (hence the large coaching tree) the problem is these Coordinators are terrible. If we do fire Andy I believe we have to clean ship including some FO personnel since Andy’s imprint is ALL OVER this team. If it wasnt for the Lock-Out I Would be leading tthe charge to get rid of Reid but he deserves one more year, WITHOUT MARTY OR CASTILLO.

ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th

Namdey Asomgua sucks.We should have signed Antoneo Cromote so he could have taught his brother, cousin, son or however they are related how to play in teh slotz.I also h8 his nice guy act. I herd he blows through teh hoes faster than runningbacks thru our dfense.
by Snax on Oct 5, 2011 11:02 AM PDT

Shady is the best RB in the NFL not AP
he is the real deal, that dude scares me to death more than anyone on that team besides Vick with time to throw the ball
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by ChiaCrack on Nov 5, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

by EagleEyes on Nov 28, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions

Out of andys grand coaching tree how many
are successful head coaches minus harbaugh

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by bkeagle718 on Nov 28, 2011 2:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

So, what you’re saying is “Minus his successes, name his successes?”

I’m all for firing Andy Reid, but c’mon. Give the guy his due. He’s a good coach. It’s just time to move on.

by UnclaimedFright on Nov 28, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions

No, what he’s saying is, “Minus his one success, what other coaches have left here and been good?”

I agree that the guy is a good coach, but he’s not the best coach ever. Maybe we’ll do worse, maybe we’ll do better with a new coach, but I know what to expect from AR, and it’s always my hopes getting dashed.

by prnandhomeless on Nov 28, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions

if i remember correctly, AR was calling the plays on offense until a year or two ago.

by RogerPodacter on Nov 28, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions

This discussion could deteriorate in a hurry

but what the hell I’ll chime in.

My gripe with Andy not running the ball really has nothing to do with run pass ratio. I could not give a rat’s ass about that. It’s more situational, as alluded to in this post.

It just seems to me that we come up with a game plan and run it. We don’t adapt it to changes on the scoreboard, time on the clock, field position, etc. We just stubbornly run the plan.

The pass play on 4th and 1 yesterday sealed it for me. As soon as Young dropped back I knew that we were giving the ball up on downs. And before anyone says we don’t have the personnel to get a yard via sneak or hand off, well that’s on Reid, too.

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by MRPH on Nov 28, 2011 1:26 PM EST reply actions

I think you mean " we stubbornly ‘pass’ the plan. "

by Saidrick on Nov 28, 2011 1:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

It just seems to me that we come up with a game plan and run it. We don’t adapt it to changes on the scoreboard, time on the clock, field position, etc. We just stubbornly run the plan.

Thats my point and that falls on MM. HE CALLS THE PLAYS. I have seen one more than one occasion where Andy has ripped into MM for his play calling. He and his “Sicklic” Bullshit need to take a hike.

ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th

Namdey Asomgua sucks.We should have signed Antoneo Cromote so he could have taught his brother, cousin, son or however they are related how to play in teh slotz.I also h8 his nice guy act. I herd he blows through teh hoes faster than runningbacks thru our dfense.
by Snax on Oct 5, 2011 11:02 AM PDT

Shady is the best RB in the NFL not AP
he is the real deal, that dude scares me to death more than anyone on that team besides Vick with time to throw the ball
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by ChiaCrack on Nov 5, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

by EagleEyes on Nov 28, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions

*on more than one

ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th

Namdey Asomgua sucks.We should have signed Antoneo Cromote so he could have taught his brother, cousin, son or however they are related how to play in teh slotz.I also h8 his nice guy act. I herd he blows through teh hoes faster than runningbacks thru our dfense.
by Snax on Oct 5, 2011 11:02 AM PDT

Shady is the best RB in the NFL not AP
he is the real deal, that dude scares me to death more than anyone on that team besides Vick with time to throw the ball
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by ChiaCrack on Nov 5, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

by EagleEyes on Nov 28, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions

yes, but Andy has the power to call the plays himself. it’s not like marty has absolute power and he can do whatever he wants regardless of what andy thinks.

by Turd.Ferguson on Nov 28, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions

The fact remains

the Coordinators make the calls. If you want to Get rid of Reid you’re gonna have to do alot more than getting rid of just the Coordinators to remove his affects.

ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th

Namdey Asomgua sucks.We should have signed Antoneo Cromote so he could have taught his brother, cousin, son or however they are related how to play in teh slotz.I also h8 his nice guy act. I herd he blows through teh hoes faster than runningbacks thru our dfense.
by Snax on Oct 5, 2011 11:02 AM PDT

Shady is the best RB in the NFL not AP
he is the real deal, that dude scares me to death more than anyone on that team besides Vick with time to throw the ball
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by ChiaCrack on Nov 5, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

by EagleEyes on Nov 28, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions

Reid is an offensive guy. I’m sure he has a lot of play-calling duty as well.

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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Nov 28, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions

Sure thing

And again I am in no way negelecting to give Big Red blame, but Andy said it out his own mouth Earlier this season that we are going to run the ball because thats what we do and then when the game comes around we don’t run the ball but they show shots of Andy looking surprised as us that we aren’t running while MM looks like he is calling the shots. Andy is a trustful man (to a fault) so he will always trust the men around him, hence the debacle of a year we’ve had we need to get some new Coordinators or we need to GUT THE WHOLE FRANCHISE. I just don’t think we can afford to 100% Gut the Franchise (like you would need to rid yourself of AR’s mark) with Vick, Nnamdi, Babin, Cole, Peters all getting older by the year. I feel the best way to “salvage” this roster is too get new OC/DC. But im not against 100% gutting I just feel the FO will find away not to fully gut this thing and still leave the Scent of AR around after he is gone.

ok, the giants suck.
by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 4th

Namdey Asomgua sucks.We should have signed Antoneo Cromote so he could have taught his brother, cousin, son or however they are related how to play in teh slotz.I also h8 his nice guy act. I herd he blows through teh hoes faster than runningbacks thru our dfense.
by Snax on Oct 5, 2011 11:02 AM PDT

Shady is the best RB in the NFL not AP
he is the real deal, that dude scares me to death more than anyone on that team besides Vick with time to throw the ball
Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!
by ChiaCrack on Nov 5, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

by EagleEyes on Nov 28, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions

It’s rediculous to assume that after they responded to our 10 points that we could slowly took the game back over with solid run play and play action passing… This was an unacceptable approach of there ever was one … ESP with your playoff chances on the line

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by NorthPhillyKid on Nov 28, 2011 1:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions

Saw shady drop like 3 passes yesterday, maybe reid was punishing him by taking carries away

by con-vick on Nov 28, 2011 1:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions

Let's be honest

JasonB should be writing up about how shady was the NFC ground player of the week , not that he barely touched the ball … No excuses , Vick isn’t there so u put the ball in the hands of your best weapon … Fail coaching staff , epic fail …

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by NorthPhillyKid on Nov 28, 2011 1:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions

Speaking of epic fails ...

Next the XFL , I can’t think of a worse hiring than Don Juan… Ever?

by Saidrick on Nov 28, 2011 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

Need I fkin mention my boy desean is fkin choking … What the fk DJ , step it up and catch those td balls

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by NorthPhillyKid on Nov 28, 2011 1:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions

I figured this would continue this year

when GB won the SB last year by throwing the ball significantly more than running. Unfortunately, Andy was no doubt encouraged to see another west coast offense team win the SB by throwing the ball 75% of the time.

by Blackacre on Nov 28, 2011 2:02 PM EST reply actions

GB won the super bowl by throwing more because Aaron Rogers is boss and their stable of wideouts top to bottom are good to great.

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by djthekidd on Nov 28, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions

This is very bad. When a group of players start talking about how they’re upset/confused with playcalling, something is wrong with the coaching as a whole. The Eagles this year seem as much as a team as those three guys on the Heat – they aren’t one unit.

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by TheRealMcCoy on Nov 28, 2011 2:13 PM EST reply actions

I’m not sure why players were surprised, although maybe I understand it with Kelce (he is a first year guy). Reid has never been consistent with the run. Although Marty calls the plays, my guess is he calls the plays Andy tells him to in many situations. As far as I’m concerned they are equally guilty in the way this offense has been run over the last decade (although more of it falls on Andy, for sure).

That said, I never thought he was a quality assistant. He clearly could not hack it as a head coach, which I guess is fine, but some of his decisions then just completely lacked brain-sense. I don’t think he should be where he is. I would gladly hire him and Andy as QB groomers, but nothing more. I think Kolb would do fine here in Philly because he would still get their coaching, but elsewhere he doesn’t have that—and I certainly think he’d be a better backup than Young right now. But all of that is moot and off-topic.

This is Reid’s legacy. I get the gameplan—New England’s pass defense is the worst in the league in terms of yardage. But that never excuses abandoning the run, especially when the best player on your team is your RB. You can “play to the numbers” all you want, but you never know how something is going to work until you try it. They never tried to establish the run. They never adjusted. This is the mea culpa of the Reid tenure. He is a good coach, not a great one. He’ll look better when he’s gone.

by J. Wil on Nov 28, 2011 2:20 PM EST reply actions

If you have the best running back in the league, or at least the leading rusher in the league and he only get’s the ball 10 times in an entire game then you are an idiot. Period. End of discussion.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 28, 2011 2:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

I do think that the run game was abandoned way too early, but I have a bigger gripe. I can’t figure out why Chad Hall is leeching ANY carries away from McCoy…let alone on a night when Shady’s total was so low. The talent gap between those two is ridiculous. I really would love to hear the logic behind giving him those carries.

Talk about not putting your team in the best position to succeed….

by PF_Flyers22 on Nov 28, 2011 2:47 PM EST reply actions

I think it’s because Chad Hall was on the practice squad or something with Young(same reason he targets Riley Cooper). Talking about not putting your team in the best position to succeed is talking about playing this bonafide scrub at quarterback.

In the game against the Giants, NBC pointed out that Vince Young had the worst completion rating among NFL starting quarterbacks(I believe it was 48%). We’re seeing that now and Mike Kafka had a better football game against Atlanta in week 2, then Vince has had in his little tryouts.

Reid even said had he trusted Kafka’s arm a little more, we might’ve snuck out of Atlanta with a win. Reid doomed our playoff chances when he was retarded enough to start Young last night.

by LeQuan Glover on Nov 28, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions

you’re a moron.

by CMDR on Nov 28, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

That is now 3 of the 4 Philly SBN sites that I’ve seen this in response to a LQ posting. Any chance we can go for the Golden Sombrero.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Nov 28, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions

you’re a moron.

Agreed .

by Alway Learning on Nov 28, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions

I can sort of agree with the Riley Cooper comment since he’s throwing that ball to him…but that still doesn’t justify the Hall sightings in my opinion.

I should clarify that I like Chad Hall…he obviously works his butt off and is trying to make a name for himself as a severely undersized player. That being said, with arguably THE BEST Running Back in the game touching the ball a mere 10 times, Hall should not be vulturing any of those carries.

by PF_Flyers22 on Nov 28, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions

I’m glad they didn’t use Shady more. The guy is a beast and unlike his fellow esean, has his head on straight. But this season is an utter failure and I would rather not see Shady and Vick get banged up in pursuit of nothing.

by Fenton_Hardy on Nov 28, 2011 3:26 PM EST reply actions

Attack the opponents week point

NE is bad against the pass. They have WRs playing in the secondary. If McCoy ran 25-30 times for 75 yards, then everyone would be complaining they did not throw the ball enough. Better yet, if he had sprained he knee or broken his had, the talking heads would be in an uproar.

Everyone is agonizing over this game, but the season was over when the Eagles went into the bye week at 2-4. Losing 4 of their first 5 is keeping the Eagles out of the playoffs, not a bad game with the backup QB less the #1 WR against the Pats. Vicks injury kept them from closing out ATL, bad tackling allowed the NJG to get big plays in week three, Ronnie forgot he was a RB against SF and ball control issues killed them against BUF. Looking back on it now, losing by one point to SF is pretty damn impressive.

Everybody has these huge expectation for the Eagles. Those expectations did not come from teams run by Kotite or Rhodes or even Buddy Ryan. They came from team successes that occurred since Reid came here in 1999. We are all teenagers complaining because the 370z dad got us is in the shop and if he had just gotten us an M-Series or an SL Roadster everything would be find.

Bah, whatever.

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by ChaosOnion on Nov 28, 2011 4:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

pick the poison....

You do attack your opponents weak point. However, there is a median that has to be approached when you lose your most vital points of an offense, the starting QB and your most reliable outside threat (Mac), you have go to best attribute and even with a healthy Vick/Mac, Shady is our most powerful weapon. Especially when this team cannot win a shootout against the pats

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by eagle1087 on Nov 28, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions