Eagles Embarrassed By Patriots 38-20 At The Linc
by JasonB on Nov 27, 2011 7:49 PM EST
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This is how bad today's game was. At about the 6 minute mark of the 4th quarter, CBS decided to shut off Eagles Vs Patriots and "switch to a more competitive game," which was Denver at San Diego. If you live in Philly or Boston, you saw the end of the game, but the rest of the country did not.
That's how bad things have gotten. Really, the blowout was the one thing this season really lacked. As bad as the Eagles have looked at times, they've still been in pretty much every game at the end. Obviously you have to be in games in the fourth quarter to blow five leads. But the point is, that we've at least been able to tell ourselves that we were close. If one play here or there had gone differently we could have won. But not today. Today shattered whatever illusions may have been left.
Here are a few stats that sum up how things went today.
- The Eagles did not convert a third down in this game until the very end of the third quarter.
- With 8 minutes left in the game. Tom Brady had 28 yards rushing on five carries. LeSean McCoy had 33 yards on 9 carries. Yes, Tom Brady only had four fewer carries than the NFL's leading rusher. McCoy finished the game with 10 carries for 31 yards. Vince Young had six carries for 40 yards.
The abandonment of the running game has always been a major source of frustration for Eagles fans, but one particular call may have broke the camel's back. The Eagles trailed 31-13 late in the third and had a 4th and 1 near the goal line. Rather than run the ball, they called a play action roll out where Vince Young overthrew Brent Celek on a fade pass.
It was one of those play calls that just infuriates everyone watching. The Eagles are the top rushing team in the NFL with the the NFL's leading rusher and they call a play that cuts the field down into a quarter in the already tight space of a goal line play. The throw was poor from Young, but the play was pretty well covered either way.
That's when the "fire Andy" chants started.
The chants didn't stop there either. From that point on, whenever something went bad "Fire Andy" could be heard loud and clear from the fans that had actually stuck around. The only time the fans gave Andy a break is when they decided to boo DeSean Jackson, who had one of the worst games of his Eagles career. He had three drops on the day and drew the ire of the crowd on three specific occasions.
The first came after he dropped a perfectly thrown pass in the end zone that would have made the score 17-21. The worst part was that Jackson appeared to be concerned about getting hit on the play and may not have put his full attention into making the catch. He got himself a second helping of boos when late in the third quarter he opted not to fair catch a punt that took a big Patriots bounce and put the Eagles in terrible field position. Remember, this is a guy who said he deserves to be paid as much as Larry Fitzgerald because he contributes on special teams and Fitz doesn't.
Just to top it off, DeSean dropped yet another would be TD pass when Vince Young hit him with a perfect deep pass over two Patriots defenders. Just like the first one, the ball went right through his hands. This is a guy who feels he should be paid $10 million per year as an elite WR in this league. He finished the game benched for the 4th quarter.
There's so much more ugliness we'll get to in the coming days, because at this point who wants to go over this all right now. It was an all around awful display and one fans won't soon forget.
If could just single out one guy to thank for his effort today, it would be Jason Avant. He went over the middle time and time again making tough catches and giving maximum effort despite the score. He finished with 8 catches for 110 yards and was rewarded with a TD in garbage time as well. If DeSean Jackson had even half of his heart, he'd be the best WR in the NFL.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Nov 27, 2011 7:51 PM EST reply actions
yahoo thread dave
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by d-jackfan10 on Nov 28, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Fire Andy
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
by KByars on Nov 27, 2011 7:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Immediately. And Morninwheg. And Castillo. 10 carries for the NFL’s leading rusher?!?!? Ô.õ
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by 92-74-99-96 on Nov 27, 2011 8:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just don’t fucking understand it. The inconsistency with this offense. One week we run the ball 39 times, the next Shady gets 9 carries? Fuck is going on? If i’m Shady there is no way in hell i’m signing an extension with this team unless there is a coaching change.
by Shady25 on Nov 27, 2011 9:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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by Dunta Is A PUNK on Nov 27, 2011 11:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Jon Gruden, Jay Gruden, Bill Cowher, Urban Meyer, and there’s a lot more coordinators out there that are ready for HC jobs.
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Nov 27, 2011 7:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
how about jeff fisher?
he’s a former eagles coach
I don't doubt that,
buuuuut . . . I like I D minded over offensive minded coaches.
And really, how many coaches win SB after they already won one (meaning with a new team)? Isn’t it like 0?
Ugh. Such a bad spot to be in.
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I would like Cowher orany defensive minded coach. Keep the WCO intact though. Maybe
keep MM around as OC or find another WCO OC in the league right now. Not sure about the defensive assistants, but Castillo definitely is gone. Keep Bobby April too.
by Shady25 on Nov 27, 2011 9:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yup.
I’d keep Marty + April; the rest are rather expendable. Well, Mudd/Wash can stay—if we can get personnel to fit Wash’s style (errr “LBs”/“S’s”).
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Yeah the OL is starting to look bettet. Mudd’s scheme works if you ask me. Washburn? I don’t know. Might be easier to scrap the wide nine and go back to what we know best, blitzing.
by Shady25 on Nov 27, 2011 9:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I totally agree with JasonB. Fisher is exactly like Andy Reid
He made it to a Super Bowl, lost, and then his team muddled around. I want no part of Jeff Fisher.
Vick will go Bad Newz Kennels on that shitass secondary. - EvilBanner
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Nov 27, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Like Andy Reid is the last great coach? Come the fuck on, indeed.
Maybe it won’t be some high profile character on everyone’s radar like Bill Cowher or Jon Gruden. Maybe it’s some up and coming coordinator or assistant, like the last guy they hired.
What is Duce Staleys' role on staff...........
I often see him roaming the sidelines conferring with players. R/Backs asst. ?
Just wondering.
It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.
the day we only score 3 points with this offense, is the day ill give everyone a dollar haha
by bleedgreen89 on Sep 16, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
by JJeaglerooter on Nov 27, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
To give Reid competition for the girthiest coach on the sidelines.
Vick will go Bad Newz Kennels on that shitass secondary. - EvilBanner
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Nov 27, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Djackfan wrote a very detailed Fanpost on this
It was really good. You should look it up.
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by FlyEagles15 on Nov 27, 2011 8:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We need a fucking defense cordinator and we’ll be fine. You can’t let offenses put up 38 fucking points, especially when they a dink and dunk offense. they have so explosive players
FUCK YOU JUAN…FUCK YOU
Dear Lord Baby Jesus
Seriously man
If you think the offensive side of the ball is doing great, then FUCK YOU.
I don’t know what the hell you’re watching out there because this offense is TERRIBLE. It’s arguably a bigger disappointment than the defense, to rack up yards like they have but not put up points.
Yup.
Aside from some stretches in game, and some lucky breaks (like Ballard dropping every ball), the D has generally played fairly poorly. The good stretches were good, but Castillo has shown a few things:
(1) Constantly outcoached in the second half
(2) An absolute inability to use cornerbacks
(3) An inability to consistently stop mid field, between the hash mark offensive momentum (TEs, RBs, you name it)
(4) Ineffective secondary scheming (like #2, but with safeties in mind; talk about consistently out of position!)
(5) Ineffective linebacker coaching (I know they’re all like 11th rounders, but holy crap, can we get some better coaching? Other than Rolle and some flashes from the others, they are always out of place
(6) A reluctance (early on) to adjust the wide 9 in obvious run situations
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 27, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
JAY GRUDEN
I like what this guy has done as the OC of the Bengals, who have much less talent than the Eagles.
I think it’s better to go with a younger up-and-coming coordinator rather than one of these old heads like Cowher…. although I really do like Cowher.
Reid is good with Quarterbacks
As bad as Andy’s defensive inepitude may be, he does one thing very well. He develops QBs, the most important position in the game. I’m still not 100% sold on Vick, and if Andy leaves, Vick could regress with another head coach in here.
Biggest difference this week and last - Defensive line
Simply dominated the game last week vs Giants. Once the Pats went no-huddle and the Eagles had trouble substituting, it was game over. Weren’t able to cover up for the lousy LBs and Safeties.
Eagles will win 2 more games, finish 6-10, and some will be surprised when the Fat Man is fired right after New Year.
He will be back as long as he keeps honking on Lurie’s bobo.
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What the hell happened to Chaney? All the promise from the end of last year and now he’s missing tackles all over the place. is he another bust? Fucking worst set of LB’s in Eagles history. And it doesn’t help that Castillo is not using any of his players the right way.
by Shady25 on Nov 27, 2011 9:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He’s racking up the tackles, but constantly looks a bit out of place. Has a couple picks though, right? And I believe they said he was the leading tackler.
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It seems
Coleman has to be the leading tackler.
by ChillBillinChina on Nov 27, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
You'd think, but LBs always rack up tackles
See Gaither, Omar.
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 27, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Are there anything more frustrating than drops, missed tackles and penalties? This has gone beyond comical.
lol talk of being the most discipline team by juan before the season started hahahahaha
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Fuck this team.
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by Euler.is.a.Pimp on Nov 27, 2011 7:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Time to lose the rest of our games, top 10 pick woooooooo!!!
by con-vick on Nov 27, 2011 7:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Young
Mixed feelings on him. He’s capable of starting in the NFL given the crappy talent on about a dozen teams.
He showed today he is a guy who can’t make this offense explosive like McNabb/Vick have done the last few years and that he struggled to make adjustments once the Pats went to more man-to-man.
He wasn’t very good, but he wasn’t near being the main problem today.
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No it was the defense but if Vick was behind C and healthy this team has a chance to win a shootout.
You don’t go to a gun fight with a knife.
Double Disagree
VY made some mistakes, but really he got screwed early and often. The non-called face mask ended a drive, the 2 dropped TDs, and the non called PI that would have saved his underthrow. I know everyone has drops but you can’t have them when you’re playing with no defense
I agree with this
We can’t win a thing if this D is a sieve.
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Agree
I don’t like to bitch about blown calls by the refs because that’s not nearly the reason this team lost today. However….we didn’t get much help from the zebras. If Brady got face masked like VY did there’s no way the call would have been missed. And the refs would probably let the. Great Sweatshirt challenge the no call.
But this team stinks. Bottom line. And I’m about to replace the nameplate on my DJack jersey with the name “Detmer”….at least Koy played with heart.
by jw0475 on Nov 27, 2011 11:01 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
And Koy had a cool neck beard
gotta give him mad props for that
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by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Nov 28, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
If Jackson catches those two TDs that were beautifully thrown
we’re singing a different song about Vince
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
If Djax doesn't tip balls/catches more balls in general
Vick looks like a superstar.
Normally players in “contract years” overplay (I’m looking at you, Rowand, Aaron). Instead, Jackson has done the exact opposite. Kinda mind boggling, to be honest.
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 27, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
I took issue with his presser
So did Ray Diddy, apparently.
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He RIPPED him
VY said he did OK, Ray was like listen punk, your yards were in garbage time and you guys lost. You didn’t do ok. You sucked. But with a lot more vitriol. Honestly, I’ve never seen Ray more pissed.
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BTW
How does a man that big have an arm that weak?
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Terrible throwing mechanics. Jimmy Johnson said his throwing motion is the worst he’s ever seen.
"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson
But just that?
I mean Vick’s mechanics aren’t necessarily “text book,” and it looks like he throws with 50 more mph than VY lol
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Vick throws a very tight spiral. Not so Young. That helps the ball get through the air better.
When Young underthrows the ball it’s not so much a weak arm as he just throws it too late, like he doesn’t judge the receivers distance and speed so well.
"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson
True that.
So tired that I didn’t even think about the spiral, more about arm motion. My apologies.
I also notice that Young’s deep balls do this weird flat then MASSIVE arc thing.
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 27, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Six years ago before the Super Bowl...
These teams were the best two franchises in the NFL.
Now, the Patriots are still up there and we’re a fucking laughingstock.
Difference is at QB
Brady has been a very good/great QB since then. Eagles had just a competent starter at QB today
Even with Vick
We would have lost. Even McNabb in his prime would’ve lost. The difference is coaching.
We have gotten spoiled fellas
A year where we aren’t living up to the hype doesn’t mean we need a whole new coaching staff. DC? Yes. Juan must go. But after cooling off and thinking about it. I think Andy is staying.
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by Dunta Is A PUNK on Nov 27, 2011 11:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Reid has the glassy-eyed, beaten down look
I’ve seen comments by sports writers on the chats on philly.com that Reid has the look of a lost man after several of these ugly losses. When your assistant coaches (Marty Mornhinweg and Jim Washburn) start fighting with each other on the sidelines, it’s a sign that he’s totally lost the team.
I don’t think he comes back after this season. I think is will be a mutual decision by Reid and the front office and he takes the job in San Diego.
Vick will go Bad Newz Kennels on that shitass secondary. - EvilBanner
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Nov 28, 2011 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Hey at least we have another game coming up on Thursday
No time to dwell on this loss for the team, just for us fans I guess.
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
Jenkins and Nnamdi must be pissed they left their teams.
In 5 years, I want De'Anthony Thomas on this football team.
Yes, we are.
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by Tom Ryle on Nov 27, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh Really ?
It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.
the day we only score 3 points with this offense, is the day ill give everyone a dollar haha
by bleedgreen89 on Sep 16, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
by JJeaglerooter on Nov 27, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Jenkins has to be wondering why the f... he left the Packers for this ship of fools
Who would have thought the Raider would be a better team than the Eagles at the beginning of this season?
Vick will go Bad Newz Kennels on that shitass secondary. - EvilBanner
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Nov 28, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
As much as I read that as sarcastic...
It’s actually not lol
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 27, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
I need Drew Brees to score 5 TDs.
And Don’t let Darren Sproles Score any either…
I'll Have a Samuel Jackson. It'll get ya drunk. Mmm-mmm b***h.
i have sprole and colston left, up by 30 too
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by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 27, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Most everyone gets to carve up the Giants this time of year.
But yes, is always fun to see Sheli pouting on the sidelines during an ass whooping.
It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.
the day we only score 3 points with this offense, is the day ill give everyone a dollar haha
by bleedgreen89 on Sep 16, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
by JJeaglerooter on Nov 27, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
At least
he plays with heart all the time.
Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away.
by bigbluethruandthru on Nov 28, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
He does a much better job keeping his heart then keeping hold of the football.
by UnclaimedFright on Nov 28, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
he got us cursed with the dream team bull shit
My mojo so dope. BITCH!
"People always call me up and ask me: "Why do you think you can fly?"
"Because I'm an Eagle:)." Randall Cunningham
He's not going to play better very often.
"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson
HE SAID, I PLAYED "OK"
And that’s actually a perfect description for how he played. Made some good throws in tight windows and threw some ducks.
I am tired of these pussies saying...
…“who will we get if we fire Andy?”
Who the fuck does anyone get when they fire anybody? Hire some better, you fucking pussies. Jesus fucking Christ. What a bunch of fucking women.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
by EvilBanner on Nov 27, 2011 8:00 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Haha
what?? It’s not being a pussy, it’s being a wise person- looking ahead. You figure out steps 2 and 3 before you act on 1.
You: “Who gives a fuck if he’s got 10 other friends with guns and there’s cops around! That bitch stepped on yo nike! Shoot his ass!”
Smart person: “Ok, shoot his ass, run down 7th st, take a left of Montague, then take Jake’s car- the keys are in the ignish.”
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by David_K on Nov 28, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahahah
People fear change and uncertainty. Whenever someone says that I imagine them with thick black glasses, a nasally voice and suspenders saying under his breath “I don’t know guys”.
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by d-jackfan10 on Nov 28, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Why am I only allowed to rec this post once?
I’ve been saying the same thing. It’s not like no other human has won a Super Bowl since Andy Reid was hired in 1999. I seem to remember the league continuing on and the Super Bowl was won 13 more times. Evidently it will be won a 14th time this year by a man not named “Andy Reid.”
It’s time to embrace change for this team. The 49ers and Raiders will make the playoffs with first year coaches. The Tennessee Titans are making a push for the playoffs with a first year coach.
Reid is not the only problem with this team, but he is a major part. It’s time to turn the page and move on.
Vick will go Bad Newz Kennels on that shitass secondary. - EvilBanner
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Nov 28, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
If Vick can’t go Thursday, would anyone have a problem with starting Kafka? The seasons over, Young is terrible and won’t be here next year, we mine as well see what we have with someone who will be around.
by BitterSportsFan on Nov 27, 2011 8:00 PM EST reply actions
Gunner: “Did you hear the fire Andy Reid chants today?”
Kelce: “It would’ve been hard not to hear that.”
According to Andy he couldn't hear it.
Cripes, now Reid’s got hearing issues along with all of his other problems.
Vick will go Bad Newz Kennels on that shitass secondary. - EvilBanner
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Nov 28, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
This is how the Eagles practiced before this game
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
Nnamdi, Asante, DRC; The Three Graces...charm, beauty, and creativity.
The 2011 Philadelphia Eagles:
"EXPECT NOTHING AND ACCEPT EVERYTHING AND YOU WILL NEVER BE DISAPPOINTED."
I think we have to give Derek Landri special credit. He was going to scoop and score with the fumble late in the game, but then it occurred to him that Shady hadn’t run for 100 yards yet. Landri selflessly went down so that Shady could pad his stats. Derek Landri is the Mother Teresa of DTs.
by immynimmy on Nov 27, 2011 8:01 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
THIS IS A 3000 DOLLAR SUIT
COME ON!
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 27, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
anyone else pulling for the seahawks this thursday?
by con-vick on Nov 27, 2011 8:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I would be happy
if we blew every game from here on out. Just beat the Boys and fire Fat Bastard and I’ll b happy.
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1-8
in our last 9 home games. Wow….. thats real bad! We’ve lost some shockers in that time to, Minnesota(10), Arizona and now this stinker.
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And
Where was Steve Smith in this game ??? I don’t remember seeing him on the field even once, also Dion Lewis should be getting some touches behind McCoy, not Hall. And finally, put Jarrett in there.
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
why??? hall is a PS gimmick player with a low ceiling. smith is a former pro-bowler.
by Turd.Ferguson on Nov 27, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Either...
(1) They hate Smith
(2) Hall has blackmail on Reid/Roseman/Marty
(3) They are literally, physically blinded by Hall’s blazing speed (and by speed I mean exceptional slowness relative to size), or
(4) He’s got a high motor
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 27, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Chad Hall has been used at RB over Dion Lewis this season
Not that Dion is the reason that this season has gone down the toilet, but he has been another disappointment.
Vick will go Bad Newz Kennels on that shitass secondary. - EvilBanner
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Nov 27, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Avant did play well today...
everyone else sucked ass.
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Yep, graduated from college and made the dumbest math mistake ever. I am a failure.
Wait a minute ......
Brent Celek stood up when called upon.
It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.
the day we only score 3 points with this offense, is the day ill give everyone a dollar haha
by bleedgreen89 on Sep 16, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
by JJeaglerooter on Nov 27, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Brady
Is what makes the Pats go. He simply made a bunch of plays after the 1st qtr and to his credit his line did a nice job of giving him time.
The abandonment of the running game has always been a major source of frustration for Eagles fans, but one particular call may have broke the camel’s back. The Eagles trailed 31-13 late in the third and had a 4th and 1 near the goal line. Rather than run the ball, they called a play action roll out where Vince Young overthrew Brent Celek on a fade pass.
Huh? The run game was GARBAGE today. It gave us nothing. We had like 400 pass yards and like 40 run yards (excluding Young’s scrambles). Andy already called 2 runs on that SAME set of downs, and both were stuffed for no gain.
I agree that 4th down pass to a blanketed receiver 2 yards out of bounds was a retarded play, but there’s no reason to trust that running up the middle would’ve gotten us anywhere. Anyone who complains about the run/pass ratio after this game is just one of those old fashioned people who have a sentimental preference for the run, oblivious to what happened in today’s game and oblivious to what it takes to win in the modern NFL.
You are really the only person who see’s it that way. You are totally delusional.
When I die, I want the Philadelphia Eagles to be the pallbearers at my funeral. So they can let me down, one last time.
You are a fool.
Your constant harping on the “sentimental preference” theme is idiotic at best and reflects an inferior understanding of the game. You win by scoring points and by keeping the other team from scoring them. Done correctly, the run game can help a struggling team with a horrible quarterback and an injured #1 receiver score points. Running plays also have the benefit of keeping the clock moving unlike any number of VY’s incomplete passes.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
by EvilBanner on Nov 27, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I'm not the only one
Even “experts” who know football have found the same thing. I’m not the first person who has used the concept of “sentimental preference”. There are many fans who love old fashioned “run it up the gut, smash mouth, try to stop us” football. They tend to overstate the importance of running regardless of what happens in a game.
by MikeCampy on Nov 27, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, but how can you overstate the effect giving the ball the NFL’s leading rusher only 10 times has on a game?
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The runs werent enough was the point.
you cant judge run effectiveness on so fews tries.you have to keep toting the rock till you either find the weak link or create one.how was the passing game effectiveness ?Yet we kept passing huh ?
It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.
the day we only score 3 points with this offense, is the day ill give everyone a dollar haha
by bleedgreen89 on Sep 16, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
by JJeaglerooter on Nov 27, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
word
"I brought two kegs,one of beer,one of gunpowder" -WARCLOUD
by Dunta Is A PUNK on Nov 29, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
The Playcall Was Horrible
There was nobody open. Maybe you blame VY and Shady for not giving a better run fake but VY was staring at 2 blitzers as soon as he pulls up and nobody open.
At least on a run play Mccoy can jump over the line
Yes it was an awful play call.
There should have been multiple options on the play. Counting on the TE to get open in the back corner of the endzone and catch a fade with zero margin for error, when it’s your last chance to stay in the game, was retarded.
Don't be an idiot
They did not even have to score to get a first down. Young is huge! Sneak his ass and get 4 more cracks at it! Don’t get so damn cute for one yard!!
by PhilsForever on Nov 27, 2011 8:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Eagles have failed on sneaks many times this season. Yes, any play would have been more probable to succeed than the one they tried, but still, but too many fans act like a QB sneak is an automatic first down. It’s not for the Eagles.
I would have been far less pissed off if they sneak and don’t make it. It’s a higher percentage play.
Your season is on the line. You’re down by 18 in the 3rd quarter. You need a yard or less. For cripes sake, if there is any time to get a yard by pushing the line forward this is it. That was a horrible call, and told me everything that I need to know about this team.
Go Eagles!
Different between a sneak then and now:
Vick – 6’0
Young – 6’5
Do the same thing Steelers do everything it’s 3rd/4th-and-1: Use your QB’s giant ass body to get it.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
"WHY IS THIS PINK-HAIRED BITCH A CAR?!"
Not an Eagles Fan...
But, this is absolutely nuts.
It is very possible that in some instances people call for the run game because they feel it is “classic football”.
But this is not that instance. McCoy is a beast and a really underutilized player. I’ve seen what he’s done in certain games when given opportunities and he has raw skills that can help build the advantages a solid running game brings you. I.E. – Ball control, TOP, Play-Action passing game, etc.
Reid is an idiot for not running the ball more. This has been the wrap on him for years and it continues to hold true. He just thinks the “high-flying” offense is a better offense.
The only issue is he has done this while hes had special running backs in his backfield. FAIL.
Fear the Star
.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
how about i stick my foot up your ass/ Red Forman
dude is classic
My mojo so dope. BITCH!
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"Because I'm an Eagle:)." Randall Cunningham
When they went up 10-0 and the defense gave them the ball back
The Eagles HAD to establish the running game. It’s about attempts, not yards. Keeping the defense honest, chewing clock, keeping Tom Brady off the field. And eventually, Shady will break one big if you keep plugging away.
Instead Reid actually thought that Vince Young could beat Tom Brady in a passing shootout. The arrogance is astounding….
Just send Desean home for the rest of the season
Just put in people who are willing to put it on the line and not be a diva…
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- Jason Avant
doesn’t make sense… but Morhnigweg basically gets away with everything, he doesn’t get called out for anything, so I’m glad Washburn did…
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by Eagladelphia on Nov 27, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t have been upset if Washburn punched MM in the mouth. In fact now I’m upset he didn’t
Shady is the man.
by ProtoTyler on Nov 27, 2011 11:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
probably because he wasnt running the ball...give his guys a break
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Nov 27, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Good
"Get 'Em"
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by FlyEagles15 on Nov 27, 2011 9:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
About friggin time
shoulda stuck his foot up his ass,ala Red Foreman
It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.
the day we only score 3 points with this offense, is the day ill give everyone a dollar haha
by bleedgreen89 on Sep 16, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
by JJeaglerooter on Nov 27, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
My Review of the Game
VY will take lots of flack but he should have had 3 TDs at least
The Running game was nonexistent thanks to horrible playcalling
Defense was horrible as predicted
Refs screwed the Eagles early and then the game got out of hand.
Reid does not have the gunction to realize that just cuz you’re down 2 possessions doesn’t mean you can never run the ball again.
You mean his balls didn’t drop yet
"Public school math has gotten bad the last couple of years huh?" - SGT Steve.
Yep, graduated from college and made the dumbest math mistake ever. I am a failure.
I see Casper
"Public school math has gotten bad the last couple of years huh?" - SGT Steve.
Yep, graduated from college and made the dumbest math mistake ever. I am a failure.
by BIBTD on Nov 27, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I see
72 ninjas ready to pounce and slaughter.
It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.
the day we only score 3 points with this offense, is the day ill give everyone a dollar haha
by bleedgreen89 on Sep 16, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
by JJeaglerooter on Nov 27, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
I Do Love VY
But I’m not saying he played a good game! He was part of the problem today and he left some plays on the field. I just don’t get folks saying “VY is trash” or “VY throws like [Insert name of bad thrower]”. He was off on several passes but he played OK. He neeeded to play great to win the game, and he didn’t
Next home game they should start the
Nate Allen sucks chant !
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
Brandon Hughes.
"Public school math has gotten bad the last couple of years huh?" - SGT Steve.
Yep, graduated from college and made the dumbest math mistake ever. I am a failure.
Right here, I was done
but one particular call may have broke the camel’s back. The Eagles trailed 31-13 late in the third and had a 4th and 1 near the goal line. Rather than run the ball, they called a play action roll out where Vince Young overthrew Brent Celek on a fade pass.
I know that this is a pass first league, but you can’t get yard or less running? I was sitting there calling for a sneak and was dumbfounded after Young dropped back to pass. I didn’t even have to watch the end of the play. I shut it off after that. I’ve been a Reid supporter for a long time but that play right there told me that he is done here.
Go Eagles!
Agree that play-calling was piss poor
Playing a bunch of zone today – Check.
Not enough rushing of McCoy – Check.
Not enough attacking the edge instead of trying to run up the middle – Check.
Throwing too many deep balls – Check.
Suspect calls in key spots by Mornhinweg – Check.
by MG77 on Nov 27, 2011 8:09 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Defense played poor, but Jackson and that 4th and 1 really lead to this loss more. I mean young threw for 400 yards for crying out loud!!
by PhilsForever on Nov 27, 2011 8:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
BFD
It is like the basketball player who scores 30+ pts mostly in garbage time in the 2nd half and his team ends up losing by double-digits.
Ummm
That would not have been garbage time. My point is the offense is just as much to blame as the defense for failing to execute.
by PhilsForever on Nov 27, 2011 8:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
One positive about this team: any coach would love to come here and coach this talent.
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Nov 27, 2011 8:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
God will stop answering his prayers at some point here...
I mean God has to have more important things to do then help the Broncos out.
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- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 27, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
There is no God.
The first Drauschak.
by birds'n'raiders on Nov 27, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Then how do you explain Tebow's success ?
Because Dawkins plays on the D ?
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by Eagladelphia on Nov 27, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
God doesn’t have to as long as Von Miller is playing D for them. That dude is a beast
Shady is the man.
by ProtoTyler on Nov 27, 2011 11:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If he ever leads a team to a SB win, I will gladly buy his jersey and wear it.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Nov 27, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
Desean’s a punk… they’re playing his postgame interview on pe.com right now, he doesn’t give a shit about this season… fuck him….
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
He is making a "business decision"
Like the one he made by dropping that touchdown and the pass in coverage.
The Eagles share 50% of the blame for this unfortunate shitfest.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
But if you’re gonna come out and play, you better play all out, you can’t sell out your team like that, the Eagles have to make a statement here and bench his ass…
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 27, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Reid stuck him on the bench in the 4th Q.
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miss watching iverson play
My mojo so dope. BITCH!
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"Because I'm an Eagle:)." Randall Cunningham
That was a good start
He’s turning into a cancer… he dropped two passes in the endzone today… he could care less… trade him in the offseason… and keep moving.
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 27, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
You can if you franchise him? Although I’m not sure how “beneficial” that’d be.
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 27, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Didn’t think I needed to clarify, franchise and trade.
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 27, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
Unholy terror
My favorite bird has lost his balls. Fuckin sucks man.
"I brought two kegs,one of beer,one of gunpowder" -WARCLOUD
by Dunta Is A PUNK on Nov 29, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
catching the football is a skill
it is not about desire or effort or practice. a select few have a crazy skill. desean is ok but not perfect. he has had a bad year. even avant is erratic. i follow the bengals too. ac green has the skill. anyhow the point is, desean is going to drop some. that is part of his profile.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Nov 27, 2011 8:14 PM EST reply actions
this…. people making it seem like he’s dropping the balls on purpose.
He was never known for his hands.
He was never known for having alligator arms either but he has developed that football antiskill quite effectively
Shady is the man.
by ProtoTyler on Nov 27, 2011 11:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
@JordanRaanan
Jordan Raanan
Eagles falling apart. DeSean Jackson benched and CSNPhilly reporting verbal skirmish on sideline between coaches Mornhinweg and Jim Washburn
washburn us a G
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"Because I'm an Eagle:)." Randall Cunningham
Washburn will put a light under that a$$… burn Marty burn !!!
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 27, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Washburn’s shaking shit up. I love it.
by Bearer of Bad News on Nov 27, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
Playcalling is still bad. Adjusting is still bad. Defense is still bad.
I think it is safe to say at this point Jackson is not coming back to the Eagles. He is way too inconsistent to sink a lot of money in, but if he wants to keep playing as a stretch receiver for 400k a year I say keep him.
I still doubt one bad year like this is enough reason to fire Reid. While I personally think he has just outlived his welcome here—it happens—I do not think Lurie fires him. At the very least he will get one more year, but it is possible he earned enough “leash” to work to the end of his current contract. I try not to react too high or low to single games, so like anything else you have to view this in context.
Will Reid be fired? My guess is no—I don’t think it is in Lurie’s playbook to react to the demands of fans. Do I think he should be? I’d say yes, but that’s largely based upon the body of work and not just this season—I do not personally think Reid is an elite coach, or at least one that can win a Super Bowl. So the Eagles have to readjust their goals and what exactly they want to accomplish. Firing Reid is a risk, but with risk comes rewards, and also risk.
Talent be damned, the Eagles are just not a good football TEAM. It just once again proves the adage that talent can only contribute so much.
Yeah.
With broken ribs,the less u move, the better.
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by Dunta Is A PUNK on Nov 29, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Andy doesn’t let injured players on the sideline.
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Wasn't he asked a question why Maclin was out there?
Thought I heard that in the presser, with a media member prodding him to explain why one guy (I think Maclin) was there yet Vick was not.
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yeah he does
DRC was there… Kolb was there last year after suffering a concussion.. McNabb when he tore his ACL in 06, and Westbrook was there against the Giants and Bears in 07
Just off the top of my head
I’m not sure if you were serious or not though Jason
Just wait until December..
Dudes who cost them $$$
Young and Jackson. Young’s post-game comments and Jackson’s lack of focus/execution & getting benched AGAIN in a game are going to leave some real burning impressions with personnel people around the NFL
Watched the comments
What was so bad about that? If you try to focus on the one quote “I think I played ok” without any context then ya, it was bad, But he started with “We left some plays out there, I missed some throws”.
Do you want him to say “I played like shit and cost my team the game”? Not something any freakin QB would ever say, I guarantee it.
That’s what desean should have said
Shady is the man.
by ProtoTyler on Nov 27, 2011 11:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Talent is overrated.
enough said.
"Public school math has gotten bad the last couple of years huh?" - SGT Steve.
Yep, graduated from college and made the dumbest math mistake ever. I am a failure.
Myth
There are some talented parts of this team but the bad parts of this team (LBs, S) are as bad as any team in the NFL.
I disagree.
Talent is just a cop out term for more skilled.
"Public school math has gotten bad the last couple of years huh?" - SGT Steve.
Yep, graduated from college and made the dumbest math mistake ever. I am a failure.
1st and goal from the 5 and we pass 3 times.
4th and goal from the 1 and we pass.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
therein lies the problem, in my eyes.
by RogerPodacter on Nov 27, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
i should say ’A" problem….just one of many…
by RogerPodacter on Nov 27, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
Those 3 plays from the 5 really pissed me off.
How McCoy never touched the ball that close to the endzone baffles me. Not only did they not run it, they didn’t try to get it their best player’s hands.
Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!
The verbal skirmish on sideline between coaches Mornhinweg and Jim Washburn
Marty: I am a stupid pussy
Washburn: Shut up, fag.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
by EvilBanner on Nov 27, 2011 8:18 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Only good thing I’ve seen all day. Rec’d.
Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to Vicktory!
by KeepSwinging on Nov 27, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
EDP445#!
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Nov 27, 2011 8:22 PM EST reply actions
hahahahahahahhaa
My mojo so dope. BITCH!
"People always call me up and ask me: "Why do you think you can fly?"
"Because I'm an Eagle:)." Randall Cunningham
Nnamdi motherfuckin asssooomghwa!
Wes Welker jacked off on your eyelids, motherfucka!
God jesus these defensive backs is fuckin trash!
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
pretty much sums it up
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Nov 27, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
I wish we had Dmitri Patterson still.
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
Good lord… stay away from the crack. You want Ellis Hobbs too?
"Public school math has gotten bad the last couple of years huh?" - SGT Steve.
Yep, graduated from college and made the dumbest math mistake ever. I am a failure.
Damnit BIBTD, don’t you understand sarcasm… I’m tired of you misinterpreting everything I say…
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 27, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes you say some outlandish stuff… I wouldn’t be surprise if you really meant that you wanted the second coming of shit.
"Public school math has gotten bad the last couple of years huh?" - SGT Steve.
Yep, graduated from college and made the dumbest math mistake ever. I am a failure.
by BIBTD on Nov 27, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Eh, just go and play with your friends on here on the eternal threads…
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 27, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
You sir have to pay me first.
"Public school math has gotten bad the last couple of years huh?" - SGT Steve.
Yep, graduated from college and made the dumbest math mistake ever. I am a failure.
go play…
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 27, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
i cant help but to laugh …there’s no point in being mad smh.
by bleedgreen89 on Nov 27, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
with the Jenny Craigs’ diet plan…
"Public school math has gotten bad the last couple of years huh?" - SGT Steve.
Yep, graduated from college and made the dumbest math mistake ever. I am a failure.
No fat jokes right now...
We know he is fat, unless that is hindering his thought process, we need a different type of intervention…
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 27, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, your stomach actually does have a mind of its own. Originally scientists thought all these nerves were sending information from the brain to your gut, but 90% of the neurons of the primary visceral nerve connecting your gut are sending info to the brain from the gut.
"Public school math has gotten bad the last couple of years huh?" - SGT Steve.
Yep, graduated from college and made the dumbest math mistake ever. I am a failure.
Well, there you have it… you’ve found the root of the problem…
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 27, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Trying to get EDP445 to sign up on BGN
More laughs, please.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Nov 27, 2011 8:37 PM EST reply actions
Jimmy posted this link:
http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2012-nfl-draft-order/
Eagles currently going to be drafting 9th at the moment. And poor Bills – 5-6 record and picking 15th.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
"WHY IS THIS PINK-HAIRED BITCH A CAR?!"
Robert Griffin, Zach Brown or Justin Blackmon.
"Public school math has gotten bad the last couple of years huh?" - SGT Steve.
Yep, graduated from college and made the dumbest math mistake ever. I am a failure.
RG3 will be a monster
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Nov 27, 2011 8:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Add Morris Claiborne to the mix and I’m on board. Any of those 4 guys would be awesome to get, especially RGIII. I like Vick a lot, but Griffin’s a beast!
Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to Vicktory!
by KeepSwinging on Nov 27, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
How about this...
…since we can’t “Suck for Luck” (Indy wins), we try this…
Malarkey for Barkley
Play Less than ideal for Kalil
Keep bustin for Justin (Blackmon)
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
by EvilBanner on Nov 27, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Holy fuck, what a pathetic team. All year with this bullshit, it’s fucking embarrassing being an eagles fan
Last name Ever
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#PayDeSeanJackson
by Djax10 on Nov 27, 2011 8:38 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Eh, I guess you didn’t live thru the Kotite era… welcome to the misery that Eagles fans have been living thru for around 50 years….
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 27, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Those blackouts were the worst..
Imagine not knowing if you were gonna get the game on local tv for the upcoming weekend…. I hated those blackouts more than anything else, but I respect Kotite a lot mroe then Reid, that’s for sure.
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 27, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t see Reid getting fired he’s been a consistently successful coach and in think that earns him at least one more year. There also isn’t a clear replacement. I don’t think any of the coaches named above are interested in the job. This team has too much talent and too much money invested in it to just turn it over to an unproven coach. A new coaching staff takes a few years to become successful. the eagles are simply having a down year they aren’t rebuilding, coaching changes are usually only made when rebuilding.
by Mycatsnameismilk on Nov 27, 2011 8:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Who would you pick as the next coach EB ? Do you have any favorites ?
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 27, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
You lost me at Wannstedt
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Jets just gave Pettine a contract extension so that’s probably not happening.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Nov 27, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
any non-head coach can void his contract
if offered a head coaching job.
The first Drauschak.
by birds'n'raiders on Nov 27, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
Listen tanman...
…the fucking Jonas brothers would be better than Reid. At least Wannstedt has coached before. I really don’t care at this point.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
horrible logic
Seriously, if we have the entire realm of coaching possibilities available to us, why in God’s name would you pick Dave fucking Wannstedt?
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
by tanman5 on Nov 27, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This x 1,000,000
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Have you not purchased any hats since the mid-90s? Jesus Christ man
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 27, 2011 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It was a Pitt hat.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
by EvilBanner on Nov 27, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to Vicktory!
by KeepSwinging on Nov 27, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Burn that fucking hat
"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson
A new coaching staff takes a few years to become successful.
Jim Harbaugh – 49ers
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Nov 27, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I would love for you to be right but you can’t really provide the exception such as this to prove your rule. For every example like this there are a lot more where it took a few years if at all.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I wasn’t trying to prove a rule. I was trying to disprove his absolute statement.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Nov 27, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Let's go strong after Mike Shanahan.
He’ll be available after this season.
And he’s won superbowls!!!!!!!
Oh boy, is this great!
by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Nov 27, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Or Dave Wannst...
"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson
+ John Harbaugh
+ Rex Ryan
+ Mike Tomlin
et cetera et cetera
Wait for sustained success
Especially with #1. And Sexy Rexy is good, but right now he’s looking like an Andy Reid-esque coach, plus a shit ton of charisma and a lap band.
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 27, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
I was wondering how long it was going to take for some one to point that out
by Mycatsnameismilk on Nov 27, 2011 9:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
For every one harbaugh there are 10 Josh mcdaniels.
by Mycatsnameismilk on Nov 27, 2011 9:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
More “exceptions”…
John Harbaugh – Ravens, 2 AFC Championship visits
Mike Smith – Falcons, 2 Playoff appearances, no.1 seed last year
Rex Ryan – Jets, 2 AFC Championship visits
Hello, John Gruden and the Bucs
The first Drauschak.
by birds'n'raiders on Nov 27, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Errr
Hello Jon Gruden and Tony Dungy’s Buccaneers.
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 27, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
And Pete Carroll, Todd Haley, Leslie Frazer, Steve Spagnuolo, Pat Shurmur or Tony Sparano
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Sparano was decent his first season
After that….not so much.
@philatticus on Twitter
So was Haley. And Carroll won a playoff game. But my point is, for every Harbaugh there is a laundry list of guys that it didn’t work out with.
I am by no means in the “who will we find better if we fire Andy camp” I wanted Andy gone after he punted the ball away on 4th down in the Saints playoff game. I want them to take a chance on someone.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
By no means am I an Andy fanatic, all I’m saying is that I can’t see him getting fired this year for two reasons, his past success and lack of an obvious replacement. Sure the ownership could go with some one unproven candidate but I just can’t see them making that decision rite now.
by Mycatsnameismilk on Nov 27, 2011 9:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
lack of an obvious replacement
I am not saying this because I am an Eagles fan but if Reid was gone I would think this would be one of the most attractive job offers the NFL has seen in a very long time. I don’t think they would have to find a coach so much as pick one of the many that come to them.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
If Reid is gone there’s no way this is not the most attractive opening in the league.
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 27, 2011 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Mangina
"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson
I remember rooting for the Mangina in that first playoff game
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 27, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Norv Turner twice
"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson
His constant employment baffles me
Jim Fassel and Brian Billick must be completely stunned as well.
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 27, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
What has he won? Shit so far. Let’s wait to crown his ass.
Eagles: Suck But still. #KeepAndyReid
Flyers: On a nice roll
Phillies: Sigh
He’s on pace to lead his team to a divisional title and #2 seed / first round BYE. That’s a pretty good start.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Nov 28, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
Sample size
Let’s give him a year or two.
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 28, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
The original statement was: “A new coaching staff takes a few years to become successful.”
I think he is on pace to have a successful first season. Therefore, I believe that statement is false. I don’t need more of a sample size to say he’s having a successful first season.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Nov 28, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
But by that very statement, to judge success you need a few years. A good first season is a part of that, but I do not believe we can judge his coaching quality until year 3 at the earliest. Sorta like draft picks.
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 28, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
So is he wins a SB this year (not saying it’s likely) we won’t know he’s successful until after 2 more seasons?
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Nov 28, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
It depends on how you define success. We’ve had plenty of success around here. We want a Super Bowl.
And the Niners are the benefactors of a shitty division.
Eagles: Suck But still. #KeepAndyReid
Flyers: On a nice roll
Phillies: Sigh
The NFC West is a terrible division, I agree. And that will go to help them winning that division. But the Niners have only played 2 of their 6 divisional games so far, so you can’t act as if that’s had a huge part to do with their success so far. They’re a successful team so far.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Nov 28, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Yup.
I stick by that. Flash in the pan success is too easy to overrate.
Although I will say that winning a SB is a lot harder than say, getting lucky with a WS or something. So I’ll give it credit, but honestly, you need 2-3 years to evaluate at the minimum.
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 28, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
So far, so good.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Nov 28, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
I don't disagree
But really, time tells.
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 28, 2011 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
Perry Fewell for head coaching??
by EaglesAPhiA on Nov 27, 2011 8:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No, not a fan.
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by KeepSwinging on Nov 27, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
+1
He’s not very good as a coordinator, why would he be a good HC?
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Buffalo didn’t want him. That’s all anyone needs to know.
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by KeepSwinging on Nov 27, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
seriously...by all means, if you guys want him....take him.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 27, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
Naaaah
Thanks though….I guess…
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by KeepSwinging on Nov 27, 2011 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Trade you Castillo straight up.
"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson
All that being said I would give my left nut for Jeff fisher to have been hired as d coordinator two years ago…
by Mycatsnameismilk on Nov 27, 2011 8:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I’d rather have Jerry Sandusky coach my defense than Juan Castillo at this point.
by Dpez71 on Nov 27, 2011 8:46 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That's out of line dude...
No room for that here on BGN, I’m officially “o” ing my first comment.
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
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by Eagladelphia on Nov 27, 2011 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Just keep the kids out of the locker room, ban all “horsing around in the shower,” and he’ll be fine.
by ghostofandrewatters on Nov 27, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
I lol'd.
Jason Peters: Heart of a Lion, Face of a Chipmunk.
Eli Manning has the personality of a baked potato.
Is Andy getting worse as he gets older?
As a Cowboys fan I’m not going to argue with an Eagles loss but I was blown away by that play-action throw on 4th and 1 at the goal line.
Obviously I don’t watch many Eagles games (outside of the Cowboys ones of course) but I don’t remember Andy being this crazy. Is he getting more “dug in” on his pass-happy stance and just wants to prove it to the media or something? Or has he always been this zealous?
Cowboys to the Superbowl
by Blue Eyed Devil on Nov 27, 2011 8:47 PM EST reply actions
dude, we didn't lose because of the pass ratio
we lost because the defnese fucking blows..and we dropped tds..and Vy throws like he has the arm of a 12 year old boy
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FYI people remembe we did two running plays prior which all got STUFFED
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I agree about why we lost
but that play call was horrible. I would have been OK with getting stuffed on a sneak or whatever, because at least it would have said, “My season is on the line, and I’m going to try to push you forward one fucking yard.”. When Young dropped back to pass I knew right away that it would be incomplete and the season was over. Right then and there.
I agree with you that it’s a passing league, but cripes, there are still times when you want to run the ball. That was one of them.
Go Eagles!
Bullshit.
We complain when we get stopped constantly in goal line situations by pounding the ball up the gut. I liked the play action call. VY didnt execute,and it failed. Accept the fact we suck this yr. I for one will always support my birds,i survived the Rodney Pete experience,,the Detmer yrs,and we will move on and improve on our current situation. Just gonna take some time.
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by Dunta Is A PUNK on Nov 27, 2011 11:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Denver has no offense but is in 90 percent of their games because of their DEFENSE, something we lack.
by ghostofandrewatters on Nov 27, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Andy doesn’t call the plays Marty does
by Mycatsnameismilk on Nov 27, 2011 8:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
DeSean...
Showed today that he is not a #1 WR. He’s left roughly 6 gimmie TD’s on the field; w/ 5 games to go.
Hanson was eaten alive, Allen is a center fielder yet and still he ends up in coverage repeatedly.
Nnamdi dropping that interception was heart-breaking, he’s having a year (dropped interception wise) like Asante had his first year.
Castillo, through no fault of his own, sealed his fate. No second season for him. Can’t wait to see the man defense back in Philadelphia.
We have our OL of today and the future, the biggest plus about this season.
At least next year the mantra will be REDEMPTION, on ALL levels. Starting first and foremost w/ this defense.
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by Illadelphia-Braintrust on Nov 27, 2011 8:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We’re a man-blitz defense playing cover 2. So far, the results aren’t good.
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by KeepSwinging on Nov 27, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone catch why Washburn went after Morhnigweg ??
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
even better
does anyone have video of it?
by eagsfanMBG22 on Nov 27, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah my problem with Juan is that if his initial game plan does not work he lacks the ability to make in game adjustments. Even when it does work initially the opponents offense adjusts and our d is completely exploited for the rest of thf game. Coaching defense is about game theory, constantly having a strategy to counter your opponent, Juan is able to come up with one game plan and if it doesn’t work we are screwed.
by Mycatsnameismilk on Nov 27, 2011 9:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm Watching the Post-Game Presser
And whoever says the reporters don’t go after Andy Reid is full of shit! They asked him
1) Why the hell didn’t you run the ball more??
2) Why’d you take Djax out? (he lied he just wanted to let others plays), they followup with, HE WAS THE ONLY STARTER NOT IN THE GAME, WHY DID YOU TAKE HIM OUT?
3)Why the hell didn’t you run the ball on 4th and 1 at the goal line?
4) What did you think of the “Fire Andy” Chants at the end of the game?
Now if you want to take issue with his answers, that’s different. But don’t accuse this media of being soft on him.
And I Saw Snippets of the VY Interview. Whats the big deal??
Listen, this is the same guy who has been called suicidal and bashed for getting so mad after a loss that he wouldn’t leave his locker for hours.
Now he tries to shake it off and focus on the positive and he’s accused of not caring and throwing his receivers under the bus? He starts off admitting, “I missed some throws, we missed some plays” then when asked again specifically about the drops, he says “We did miss a lot of plays, had some dropped balls” etc. Thats hardly throwing them under the bus
http://www.nfl.com/videos/philadelphia-eagles/09000d5d82486004/Eagles-postgame-press-conference
Judge for yourself. VY is after Andy
well.....
we were without our starting qb and best wr. maybe that helps a little bit?
Wholesale changes for 2012
Hire Mike Mularkey as HC/OC
Hire Jack Del Rio as DC
Try to lure either Reggie McKenzie or John Dorsey to be our GM.
If not Packers, perhaps an up and coming talent evaluator in Pittsburgh or Baltimore.
Not crazy about the coaching choices, but I do like the idea of getting some front office people from Green Bay or Pittsburgh. They’re the gold standard of drafting.
Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to Vicktory!
by KeepSwinging on Nov 27, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
To each their own...
But Mularkey has prior coaching experience and is a very good manager of offensive play calling. Look at Atlanta and how balanced it is. Would help Vick immensely with the play-action.
With Jack Del Rio, he will most likely not return in Jax next season. He runs a 4-3 defense well and with our roster on defense, there is no way we can switch to a 3-4. I like Mike Zimmer from Cincy but I think he will get a coaching job next season. We will see if Spags will return with the Rams in ‘12 (I’m guessing he stays)
by igglesiggles on Nov 27, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
/allman'd
I’ve gone by the point of caring.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
When is RG3
projected to be drafted? Anyone else think we should draft him as a backup/future starter? He’s so underrated.
RG3 looks to be a first day pick
The Eagles still owe Vick 40m in guarantees.
by igglesiggles on Nov 27, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yea thats a problem
and I don’t see anyone interested in trading for him, considering how he has been not that great this year. It’d just be awesome to get RG3. Outside of luck he’s my favorite QB in the draft
Vick with dropped passes caught...
would be looking very good to a lot of teams.
But, actually I prefer Vick to stay with the Eagles. I like him a lot as QB, and I can only imagine his own frustration. I think the Eagles get their shit together going into next year, they can have a great run with Vick at QB. Offensive line, and defense. The offense is essentially already there, save for this bizarre dropped pass habit which has been picked up this year.
Yup.
The amount of passes dropped/tipped is ALARMING to say the least.
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Vick is a mediocre QB
He has problems looking off safeties and linebackers, hence the reason he has night visors on (he would be much easier to read for the defense without it). Secondly, Vick is pretty much a one read QB; if the first option is gone, he bolts. He doesn’t have a firm grasp on reading coverage or on the football (he bullets everything in windows high/low; I have rarely seen him throw a finesse pass with touch and the right velocity whether on a fade route or a deep out or dig). These are not correctable because his ability to break down defenses is elementary. We are stuck with him till 2013.
by igglesiggles on Nov 27, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
I don't disagree with some of your assessments...
but I disagree with the conclusion. One of the problems this season with Vick this season IMO is that I feel that he is being told to stay in the pocket longer than he is honestly comfortable with. There are plays that get broken up that you can feel Vick would rather then run, and where he sees openings, but where he is feeling compelled to stay in the pocket even as the protection crumbles – and I blame the coaching staff for this. Vick is at his best when he is given latitude in choosing how the play goes down after the snap. It’s that dynamism and ability to become a ‘threat’ in multiple ways that led to some of his most spectacular plays/victories last year. This year his play has been very good actually I feel… like I said, with caught passes we have a solid winning record. I just have to take the unconventional tack that Vick actually has not been allowed to run enough. It takes away some of the defensive concern that opponents had to accound for last year. Luckily, when Vick is on the field, he serves as the perfect foil to help McCoy to big gains, so it’s been counteracted to a degree.
I agree with you wrt finessing passes, but honestly, given the strength of his arm and potential for accuracy, I don’t think it’s a trade off I’m not willing/happy to make.
By adding Mike Mularkey as HC/OC
I think he can bring out the best in Vick.
He has done wonders for the Atlanta offense; it is extremely balanced and it’s west-coast-ish.
The problem is Vick has been in the league for 8 seasons and he has yet to read defenses successfully and consistently. More film study would work but I am betting against it. It’s not something you learn at the ripe age of 30. He is no Steve Young.
by igglesiggles on Nov 27, 2011 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
I agree the reads hav been bad'ish...
Though he had success in that Cowboys game in reading the blitzes and responding accordingly. Gives me the sense that there’s hope, but I do get where you’re coming from.
surely we can agree
yesterday was vick’s fault. no. it wasn’t. if the rest of the team had his heart and fire, the record would be more like 7-4 not 4-7.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Nov 28, 2011 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
OK, VY Post-Game Presser Reaction was Bullshit
Here’s the link to the whole thing. HOw the hell do you deduce that he doesn’t care and that he’s “throwing receivers under the bus”?
This was depressing to watch that defense roll over. At half time, it was clear this team wasn’t going to win the game unless they pulverized Tom Brady. And they made no effort whatsoever to put pressure on him. He’s standing back there taking his time making throws. You have to hit him. After the whistle, if necessary. The referees are going to throw a flag for some other bullshit anyway, so why not hit him? Bill Belichick isn’t afraid to rub Andy’s face in it, blitzing VY with a wide receiver. Fuck it Andy, get a little pissed, and send the house, while Brady’s in the huddle. Nobody on the green sideline gave half a shit about the game today.
I’ve been a supporter of Andy, but he really let me down today, and I’m ready to let him go.
Oh boy, is this great!
by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Nov 27, 2011 9:32 PM EST reply actions
Andy is luving the paycheck
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 27, 2011 9:38 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He was somewhat correct when it was written
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No he wasn't.
Not at all.
That hack piece is extremely upsetting coming from a good writer like Tommy.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
Sure he was
His D did well the past 2 games. The most frustrating thing with this team is the stunning inconsistency.
But that’s over, b/c they’re now consistently bad.
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The good news is this...
…Castillo is going to be fired tomorrow. If he weren’t going to be, there’s no way that Banner would let something like THIS get out on the team’s own site…
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
by EvilBanner on Nov 27, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s not a hack piece just because you disagree with it. Castillo was having a good stretch of games coming into today.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by alcatraz0109 on Nov 27, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
A quote...
“Kurt Coleman and Nate Allen are getting the job done at the back of the defense.” It’s a hack piece.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
The safeties were playing much better than they were today. What happened today doesn’t suddenly make this a hack piece.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by alcatraz0109 on Nov 27, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
I heard Marty and Washburn got in a fight, anyone hear anything about that? By the way, get Griffin III.
In 5 years, I want De'Anthony Thomas on this football team.
I have a friend who was at the game, sitting a row behind the bench, he said he saw them screaming at each other and players getting in between them but he didn’t see them actually hitting each other.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Good
I hope Washburn kicks his fucking ass
by EaglesForever20 on Nov 27, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Reid, Morninwheg, Castillo outcoached
WHAT A SURPRISE.
After the first 15 scripted plays, it’s like Belichick knew what the calls were in the huddle.
So predictable, unbalanced from Marty.
Castillo-
It’s like he calls Cover-2 base defense on Madden the whole entire game. He has no idea what he is doing.
Washburn and Mudd don’t deserve this.
exactly... perfect example
Castillo is wayyyyyyyyyyyyy in over his head. He needs to be fired immediately, along with morning-wig and Andy Reid after the season. This regime has seen it’s better days come and go… and it’s time for a true “rebuilding year”. It’s not possible to see radical changes for the better with the same HC and his buttbuddies being as stubborn as they are.
by BleedinGreen116 on Nov 27, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
OK heres an idea
I might just be overreacting from the loss though.
Completely clean house. Specifically the coaches; Reid, Morninwheg, and Castillo go.
Trade Vick for defense or picks. This might be tough considering how much money he will get for the next couple of years. But some team might want him and look past his not so great year so far. Franchise/sign Desean and trade for picks/defense.
Rebuild the offense through the draft around Lesean, Maclin and the line. The upcoming draft is very deep with talent and we have alot of picks to use. Specifically, I’d like RG3 and then a good WR.
Rebuild the defense through what we get from the trades. Either get defense in the trades, or get picks and use them for the defense. We build aroung Cole, Nnamdi, Jenkins and Coleman (I think he’s going to be really good).
We would have a better staff of coaches and a a very young team. In a year or two, when the coaches gel with the players and the players hit the prime, we could be really good.
If you think about the good picks we could get for vick/desean, along with the many picks we already have, we could really create a good team just through the draft and by hiring coaches capable of utilizing them.
Again, I might just be overreacting because of the loss but it seems like a reasonable plan.
Real life doesn’t work like Madden. Nobody’s going to give up a ton of picks for a QB over 30 with a huge contract. Teams probably won’t wan to trade for DeSean either with the high salary he’ll have and him just being on a one year deal. Not going to happen.
Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to Vicktory!
by KeepSwinging on Nov 27, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know why you're saying that
I never even suggested any specific trades. I’m just saying we might get something for vick from a desperate team. As for desean his reputation of being a top wide receiver might be enough to get something. We got a lot for kolb and he didnt have much going for him besides hype
by KevinEagles on Nov 28, 2011 12:10 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
This team doesn't need to be re-built
Sign DJack (Do people understand that Maclin benefits a ton from DJack’s presence?)
Sign/trade for two veteran LBs, especially one who covers well in the dime
Sign/trade for veteran free safety
Both lines are fine
As are skill positions
Vick hasn’t had a good season, but it’s time to bail on him.
The problem with desean
is that it doesn’t matter what effect he has on the rest of the offense if he plays like he does today, not giving a shit and dropping passes. It’s a huge risk to sign him for a ton of money (considering how much he wants, I consider it a guarantee that in order to sign him we’ll have to overpay significantly) and just assume that that will make him try harder.
by KevinEagles on Nov 27, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
I say Franchise him...
and trade him for a 2nd rd. + additional pick to a sucker who thinks he can run inside routes. Dude here’s the footsteps of aggressive safeties and immediately has alligator arms. I question his toughness and dedication.
by igglesiggles on Nov 27, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Trade Vick
Who is going to eat 40million in guarantees for the next 4-5 years?
Im assuming this is a response to me
Its not like Vick sucks now. He just hasn’t had a great year. I’m sure some GM thinks he’ll be able to get back to last year form. Someone might be willing to take a chance on him.
by KevinEagles on Nov 27, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
If only Al Davis was still alive
only thing more overated and soft than osi umenyora is the 2011 eagles
by metseaglesknicks on Nov 27, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
What does it say...
when a playoff caliber team wants to trade their franchise quarterback?
even if someone eats his ridiculous contract (impossible), you will get next to nothing in return. moot point really. we are stuck with him till ‘13. perhaps mularkey can bring out the best of him for the next 2 seasons. vick’s cap number for 2012 season is 13.9m
by igglesiggles on Nov 27, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
No he's with you actually, but...
as I wrote above:
One of the problems with Vick this season IMO is that I feel that he is being told to stay in the pocket longer than he is honestly comfortable with.
There are plays that get broken up that you can feel Vick would rather run, and where he sees openings, but where he is for whatever reason feeling compelled to stay in the pocket even as the protection crumbles – and I blame the coaching staff for this. Vick is at his best when he is given latitude in choosing how the play goes down after the snap.
It’s that dynamism and ability to become a ‘threat’ in multiple ways that led to some of his most spectacular plays/victories last year. This year his play has been very good actually I feel… like I said, with caught passes we have a solid winning record. I just have to take the unconventional tack that Vick actually has not been allowed to run enough. It takes away some of the defensive concern that opponents had to account for last year. Luckily, when Vick is on the field, he serves as the perfect foil to help McCoy to big gains, so it’s been counteracted to a degree.
Given the strength of his arm and potential for accuracy, and ability to turn broken plays, I like him as an Eagle. I actually would like to keep DeSean as well, though obviously not at the price he wants.
Just thinking about the McNabb trade...
Nate Allen was the pick the Eagles received from the Skins.
You know which safeties were available at pick 37?
T.J Ward
Morgan Burnett
Major Wright
We are stuck with a soft safety who can’t tackle.
Now I’m scared if Jarrett was a mistake too….
Going further...
I doubt the Eagles ability to even be in the running for Robert Griffin given how QB starved so many even worse teams are going to be going into this draft. It’s a QB crises across like a third of the league right now, which is why I think at least Vince Young will find a home somewhere after this season.
Now don’t tell me we’re going to play this game. Nate Allen was generally rated much higher than those three guys.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by alcatraz0109 on Nov 27, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
I say generally because Burnett was rated roughly around where he was but his projections varied much more.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by alcatraz0109 on Nov 27, 2011 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
That and the fact that
injuries have really hampered Allen’s growth.
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 27, 2011 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
It is true that
Wright and Burnett were graded as 3rd+ picks.
But TJ Ward? That guy is hawking it in Cleveland and he was a boss for the Ducks.
Of course, Reid has no idea on drafting defensive players; half of our starters are free agents for a reason.
by igglesiggles on Nov 27, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
He was projected 3rd round pretty much everywhere. He was a Jarrett-esque reach, but one that has paid dividends.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by alcatraz0109 on Nov 27, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Reach? I don't think so.
Ward’s final grade from most teams was a 2nd rd. pick talent wise, it was his injury history that scared some teams away to a 3rd rd pick. But the Browns and Heckert didn’t care, I mean who wants a safety that who can cover and tackle with the best of them. He was a former cornerback in HS and college.
by igglesiggles on Nov 27, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
What you are saying about TJ Ward is what teams were saying about Nate Allen, minus the injury concerns. So even if TJ Ward were projected to be equal to Nate Allen talent-wise, you’re saying the Eagles could have chosen between a safety who can cover and tackle with an injury history and a safety who can cover and tackle without an injury history.
Whom do you think teams are going to choose?
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by alcatraz0109 on Nov 27, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
I understand your point and you are correct...
But some teams take chances with a player with an injury history/attitude problem over another guy presumed to be equal in talent.
Just like some GMs like to take overachievers over higher ceiling DEs. cough Reid cough
BTW Jean Pierre Paul has 10.5 sacks this season. Unbelievable.
McDougal, That Hawaiian guy, Graham gives me nightmares.
by igglesiggles on Nov 27, 2011 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
I wanted Burnett so bad
I was clamoring over him so bad. I wanted him in an Eagles jersey. But Andy wants his guys on his defense to cover and knock down passes. Anything else is irrelevant and useless because Andy seemed to forget that tackling and running games exist in the game of football.
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Yah man.
Just look at his line so far this season.
70 total tackles
1 Sack
3 INTs
2 Forced Fumbles
7 Pass Defended
What a steal.
by igglesiggles on Nov 27, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Please sign the petition
To fire andy and Juan, I will send this to the Eagles
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/fire-andy-reid-and-juan-castillo.html
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explanation please?
"Public school math has gotten bad the last couple of years huh?" - SGT Steve.
Yep, graduated from college and made the dumbest math mistake ever. I am a failure.
Maclin
I truly think they miss Maclin a lot. He’s (relatively) reliable and a better all around player than Jackson. If someone on this team deserves to “get paid” it’s Shady and Maclin. Let DJack walk. Let him go back tithe West Coast and wallow in near obscurity with the Raiders.
by jw0475 on Nov 27, 2011 11:07 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
testing
sorry
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 27, 2011 11:11 PM EST reply actions
So you guys don't have a joinup time lag?
Seahawks fan here, I usually join the opposing team’s SBnation page a week before in case the lag thing happens…
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by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 27, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn’t matter anymore, nothing matters.
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 27, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Uhhhhh hehehe
okay. I’ll put up the ‘Ask Field Gulls’ post tomorrow, then.
Heresy grows from idleness.
by Corax --Nevermore-- on Nov 27, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Sooo Jason, you still gonna do that top 5 defensive plays feature again? We’ll forgive you if you don’t.
There aren't 2 in this past game..
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 27, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously though…how does RG3 look? Project-type that can develop under Vick? career back-up? Potential all pro?
I believe he used to be real good at track
He’s really fast but can throw the ball too. I don’t get to see Baylor to much but from what ive seen I’ve liked him. I’d say he as the potential to be a star player in the nfl but I haven’t scouted him enough
by KevinEagles on Nov 27, 2011 11:30 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
He's a pocket passer first even if he's blazingly fast!
Seems to be legit. Just watch ESPN start some bullshit about him just like they did with Cam Newton last year.
by igglesiggles on Nov 27, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Hm….I get the sense that he is in the top half of the 1st round? Should be right where the eagles pick.
by Off_The_Hook on Nov 27, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Top 10 pick
Luck, RGIII, Barkley are all likely to be gone before the Eagles pick.
Colts, Dolphins, Redskins, Browns (possibly) need franchise QBs.
by igglesiggles on Nov 27, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'd guess that he's the 4th qb off the board
And I could definitely see a bunch of quarterbacks going early this draft.
by KevinEagles on Nov 27, 2011 11:41 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Washington Redskins
I could see them trading their draft for either Barkley or RG3.
by igglesiggles on Nov 27, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Norv Turner will be fired.
Would you guys want him as this team’s OC next year possibly/
OC? Interesting. Head coach? Never in a million fucking years.
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Got to watch the game at work, and I really didnt want to watch it. It was embarrassing. dJAX really is annoying me, went from the funniest player to watch to the most irritating. I dont know if he comes back….hopefully him and Andy and Juan can all go with him. Keep Howard Mudd, the oline looked very good. I wasn’t watching it very closely but they look like they are coming together.
Andy/Marty and co. came up with a brilliant offensive gameplan for this game. Watch the first drive again, they max protected and threw the ball deep. It was brilliant, no team had done that against New England before this year, and it was effective because New England’s secondary is shit. Reid made two really egregiously awful play calls. Handing the ball off to Chad Hall on 2nd and 15 when you have McCoy, Brown, Lewis, and a shitty secondary on the other team, and the 4th and 1 play action pass that to Celek that fooled absolutely no one. Your QB is a big body guy, why not sneak it? Even if it does not work, it is still the best call.
So where did things go downhill? Well, you have Vince Young underthrowing, DeSean Jackson dropping passes left and right, the absence of Jeremy Maclin as a 2nd WR threat, Jerome Boger failing once again at trying to be an NFL official, and a defensive meltdown both from a coordinating standpoint and an execution standpoint, the most noticeable being Nate Allen having the worst game of his young career, DRC being inactive, and Nnamdi Asomugha clearly not playing at 100%. Get Castillo away from the defense. Now. Please. If the Eagles had been playing well before getting torched by New England, fine, but this season has just been a defensive embarrassment. Why isn’t Nnamdi consistently playing man-to-man when he has been 100%? That is what made him a stud in Oakland and the straying away from that by Castillo is what has led many people to he has been a free agent bust. If used properly, he would not be in situations where he gets burned.
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We have an extra 2nd rd pick as ammunition...
2012 FA WR class:
Vincent Jackson
Stevie Johnson
Dwayne Bowe
Who do you think is the best option to replace DJax?
Stevie Johnson has a lot of talent...
but honestly, the top 2 are kinda headcases.
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 27, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
Bowe DJack’d it on that final play for KC.
If given the choice of those three, Vincent Jackson.
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Me too
But his holdout last season (2 seasons ago?) scares me
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 28, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
Yup.
And Stevie Johnson…his resume isn’t as deep as you’d like. Honestly, I’m fine with Maclin as #1, so long as Cooper gets a shot.
Need a deep threat, but hey…
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 28, 2011 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
With our ability to run the football (if ever properly used), a receiving core with Maclin, Avant, and Cooper should be fine. Not as potent as in the past, but still should be able to get the job done.
The Jruth shall be told.
+ screens?
Absolutely. I can’t believe how little screens we run (and not the failed WR screens, the true screens).
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 28, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, remember when the Eagles used to run 3 to 5 screens a game? Good times.
The Jruth shall be told.
Hell
I’d even like 2-3 more shovel passes. Remember when that never failed in the red zone? If I had a nickel for every time Donnie would shovel to BWest, I wouldn’t be getting my third degree right now.
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 28, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
VJax >>>>>>>>>> DJacc
Follow @PhillyFollower
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#FireAndyReid*
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Nov 27, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Wallace is also a free agent
But he’s restricted. I think Pitt and Buffalo will do whatever they can to keep their respective WRs.
VJax can’t be franchised again so he’s unrestricted I believe.
Bowe could possibly be franchised.
It’s going to be a wild off-season.
Guys and gals. Giants fan here. Not to rub it in.
But your starting QB and #1 receiver were out of the game. Kinda being a little ridiculous in thinking it wouldn’t be a real uphill battle against an O like the Pats.
by ostk42@gmail.com on Nov 27, 2011 11:58 PM EST reply actions
Still, the opportunity was there. 466 yards but only 20 points… nuff said. The Eagles should have been able to score ~40-ish points or at least make a game of it.
The same things have been killing this O all season. Inability to score in the redzone. Ridiculous penalties. Drops. Turnovers. Short yardage FAIL.
And the D flat out sucks.
stats do lie if not read correctly
every game this year the pats have given up a ton of yardage. but they have won games on red-zone defense. they tighten up in the red-zone, try to hold the opposing team to a FG, and rely on the high-scoring offense. they play soft outside the red-zone, trying for turnovers but let the short yardage stuff go. Last year was the same philosophy, mostly.
well…its a double-sided situation. good red-zone by the pats, and poor execution and discipline by philly
Embarrassing
DeSean is unbelievable. For someone who thinks he’s elite, he doesn’t show it.
I’m ready to admit it- this team sucks.
I do love that Washburn was yelling and pushing Marty about not running the ball. That’s awesome.
Eagles: Suck But still. #KeepAndyReid
Flyers: On a nice roll
Phillies: Sigh
embarrassing? nah.
If Vick and Maclin played tonight I would be embarrassed. BUT they didnt.
I'm from Halifax.
E-A-G-L-E-S!
by VickForPresident on Nov 28, 2011 12:15 AM EST reply actions
dude
this isn’t half as bad as the Arizona game.
I'm from Halifax.
E-A-G-L-E-S!
by VickForPresident on Nov 28, 2011 12:18 AM EST reply actions
this eagles team is the worst ever
I’ve said it. they are a disgrace to the eagles tradition and history. This team had the highest of expectations, and we all believed. Now all I see is a steaming pile of excrement that lesean mccoy somehow can run through.
fucking awful.
by samu el jax sun on Nov 28, 2011 12:37 AM EST reply actions
Nah
The 1998 team and the last Kotite team were horrific. They had no Shady, no Peters, etc.
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 28, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
fair but literally I live in giants country and i root for penn state, this is about as bad as it gets
by samu el jax sun on Nov 28, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
i’m in go flyers mode, at least giroux doesn’t suck
by samu el jax sun on Nov 28, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
Or JVR
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Nov 28, 2011 9:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I live .5 miles from FedEx field
You know nothing lol
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by Dylan Marck on Nov 28, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
Eagles tradition and history? We’ve been a terrible team for most of our history.
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Nov 28, 2011 9:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Reid has no ability to adjust to the flow of the game. Castillo also. It’s like he designs all kinds of plays and then just picks them at random. It’s crazy to watch the difference between Reid, and Saban and Miles.
The players are at the mercy of the coaches. Billichek is winning games with his WR playing saftey and shotty DBs.
this fucking sucks
it hurts so bad
"It's never out of reach when you got the queen on the board, and thats Andy Reid" - Mike Vick
ONE GAME AT A TIME
by eagles4321 on Nov 28, 2011 1:01 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
it amazes me how vick is taking heat on this thread
after the worst game of the season where he is clearly not to blame. HE DID NOT PLAY IN THIS ONE.
i would add that this game was also clearly not on the qb. vince young played well. but rather the season long DEFENSIVE LAPSES and RECEIVER INEPTITUDE and REDZONE PLAYCALLING.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Nov 28, 2011 8:46 AM EST reply actions
i would rest vick again this week
the game means nothing
by andyfrombrooklyn on Nov 28, 2011 8:47 AM EST reply actions
Reid is good with Quarterbacks
As bad as Andy’s defensive inepitude may be, he does one thing very well. He develops QBs, the most important position in the game. I’m still not 100% sold on Vick, and if Andy is fired, Vick could regress with another head coach in here. I would feel much more confident if we had a sure fire stud at the QB position who could excel under any head coach.
Hire Randy
I was like what? Norv’s brother ain’t that good.
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