How The Eagles Broke The Giants Cover Two
The Eagles have seen all too often this year how dangerous and sometimes harmful starting rookie LBs can be. Now, so have the Giants. Mat Bowen wrote a great piece on National Football Post about what ended up being the game winning TD from Vince Young to Riley Cooper. It's a great read and really gives you some insight into the complexity of how NFL offenses and defenses scheme. Be sure to read the whole piece, but here's the section I wanted to point out. Basically, the Eagles targeted rookie Mark Herzlich on the play and forced the guy making his first NFL start into a game changing mistake.
I like the call from Giants’ DC Perrry Fewell to play Cover 2 on a third down situation in the 4th quarter. Force the ball to go underneath to Celek, make a tackle and play for a FG. However, as I have detailed before, playing Cover 2 in the red zone can be an issue if the Mike Backer doesn’t get depth at the snap of the ball. Here, the Giants’ Mark Herzlich (highlighted in red) steps up vs. Celek—and that’s all the room V.Y. needs to make the throw. Herzlich should open his hips to the passing strength, play with depth and take away the skinny post.
- Where are the safeties? In Cover 2, this is on the Mike. Both safeties will overlap any throw inside of the numbers. We see it all of the time out in the field vs. the vertical game, but down here in the red zone, the safety has no chance to make a play on the ball. These routes break at shorter depth inside of the 10-yard line and the throw takes less time to get there.
This is something that Jimmy pointed out as well. Specifically he noted how Chris Collinsworth diagnosed Herzlich as the culprit right away and Justin Tuck confirmed it the next day. The video in the article shows exactly where Herzlich went wrong.
My whole takeaway from this was really how tough coordinators have. I mean, after reading this would you say that Giants defensive coordinator Perry Fewell made a mistake? Had Herlzlich done what he supposed to, the window to hit Riley Cooper isn't there and who knows what happens on that play? So Fewell didn't make the wrong call, the players just didn't execute for him. And on conversely, we'll all laud the Eagles for the call, but how would we react if Herlzlich was where he belonged and Young had to check down to his second, third or fourth options?
It's razor thin margins for error out there and frankly, I'm pretty amazed that coaches so often hold their tongues about why a play goes wrong.
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Good article
I really wondered how Cooper ended up with that much open space at the back of the end zone.
by JimR on Nov 22, 2011 12:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Well analyzed.
Zone discipline is really difficult but you see what happens when you don’t do it.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Nov 22, 2011 12:50 PM EST reply actions
dude....really?
Zone discipline is really difficult but you see what happens when you don’t do it.
You’re telling us???
Our redzone Defense in the past 2 years…..
That is all….
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Nov 22, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
The Bears do an outstanding job
with the Cover 2. Why? Real LB’s.
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by tommy d. on Nov 22, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Crush them, my Birds!!! CRUSH THEM!!!!!!!!!
by EagleDomiNation on Nov 22, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
You fellas know a little bit
about poor linebacker play too, dontcha?
While I love me some Beastly Dlineman and stud corners, I am frustrated that the LB’s the Giants have drafted over the last few years have not panned out. Except for Goff, at least in terms of calling a defense and stopping the run.
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so this was a case where we were attacking a specific player to try to capitalize on a mistake.
rather than us just running a play and hoping for the best.
I think the Eagles just ran a good play. The video on the earlier post here from teh Eagles fan in the end zone show Shady ( I think ) coming out of the backfield into the flat on the right. If coverage had gone deep enough to account for sunshine, then I dont think anyone would be anywhere near close enough to stop the outlet, assuming it was next.
a — the giants defense did a fine job especially considering their offense was willing to put them on the field
b— that’s the onl thing that scares me about this win. it wasn’t that the offense out played anyone (aside from the line) it was they were just capitalizing on mental lapses…good teams aren’t going to have many mental lapses. we need to start winning these fights head on without making mistakes ouselves
JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason
good teams aren’t going to have many mental lapses. we need to start winning these fights head on without making mistakes ouselves
But how is that different than what we’ve been needing to do all year? How many times have we seen or heard, "well the Eagles SHOULD have more wins than losses…if you take away this mental mistake or that mental mistake…
If we can’t accept losses because we are “too talented” to be 4-6 and its only because of “mental mistakes” that we lost…. then why the hell cant we be happy to win the other side of the flip coin?
This league isnt perfect. I agree that in order to win the SB, you pretty much have to go a big run with minimal mental mistakes, buit…we’re 4-6…we’re way too deep in shit to be “worried” that this team isnt perfect….Isnt it obvious?
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Nov 22, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
it's no diffferent at all
But let’s not get ahead of ourselves.. Vince Young hardly played well, neither did Cooper. They tried to hook up 15 times, sometimes it was disasterous like the INT in the red zone. i dont want to say eagles got lucky but it was more the giants sucking then the eagles killing the giants…offensively at least
JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason
we had our share of dropped passes, mental mistakes, etc. the difference was that our defense didnt let Eli capitalize on them. Turnovers kill.
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by thePurpleLion on Nov 22, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Eli didn't have a prayer.
Not with an offensive line as bad as ours. And I mean scary bad.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
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give him credit though, he hung in there, and if his guys werent dropping every pass, he would have done much better.
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by thePurpleLion on Nov 22, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Very true, and I do.
But when you can’t block somebody, you can’t advance the ball. When you can’t advance the ball, you can’t score. Can’t score, can’t win.
When your Oline is not very good, a team is in big trouble. Only thing worse is when your QB sucks.
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Yep, they werent very impressive, other than that great drive…. I agree…. but they still did it and won…. winning ugly is not the best…. but its better than losing when playing well for 3 quarters and shittin the bed for 1…
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Nov 22, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I once heard some one say …
“What do you call a team that is terrible but keeps on winning? A good team”
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by thePurpleLion on Nov 22, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I know…it is true…
We always expect perfection for this team….and I have no idea why…theyve never fuckin won a SB…..
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Nov 22, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
if the pass hadn't been available
then Vince would have run it in himself becAUSE VINCE YOUNG WINS GAMES!!!!!
Antrel Rolle just slammed Herzlich on the radio too, by the way, on the exact same play. He didn’t mention him by name either. That’s not good for that team. Lots of passive aggressive finger pointing going on.
he was pretty good against the run, but against the pass ... not so much.
it was his first start however.
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by thePurpleLion on Nov 22, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
….the drizzle before the storm…..
Saints and Packers are next Antrel…. crumble in November/December time AGAIN
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Nov 22, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
McNabb used to do it all the time
JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason
by Joe_D on Nov 22, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Crush them, my Birds!!! CRUSH THEM!!!!!!!!!
by EagleDomiNation on Nov 22, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Way for a veteran to slam a teammate who is a rookie making his first start.
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I think we have to give Derek Landri special credit. He was going to scoop and score with the fumble late in the game, but then it occurred to him that Shady hadn’t run for 100 yards yet. Landri selflessly went down so that Shady could pad his stats. Derek Landri is the Mother Teresa of DTs.
Antrel always does that
And to me it doesnt speak of a guy who is causing problems in the locker room, its more that he’s just honest about everything (except his own and the Giants ‘greatness’, according to him we’re always the better team). There’s no locker room trouble in NY I can say with almost certainty, if there’s one thing Coughlin has control over at the moment, its the Giants lockerroom. Now the actual attitude of the players when they go on the field, thats a different story
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by ChuckyofNorris on Nov 24, 2011 3:28 AM EST up reply actions
Did I miss something..
or is the article on NFP not linked in this story? Finding it myself i guess…
Love the analysis
It’s posts like this that make this site infinitely better than NFL gossip sites like PFT. Good work.
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I think VY would have thrown to Cooper either way, unless the LB dropped really deep. If the LB drops into the right middle zone then the back of the Endzone is still open and VY lobs it over his head to Cooper for a jumping catch. would have certainly been harder and maybe VY would have checked it down, but I think that play works against a cover 2 anyway b/c if the LB drops too deep someone runs right in front of him and gets the td there
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I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED W/ HOW THE EAGLES PLAYED AGAINST THE MIGHTY N. Y. GIANTS. V.Y. WAS OUTSTANDING CONSIDERING HE HADN’T PLAYED IN A YR. THE OFFENSE PLAYED GREAT. DEFENSE PLAYED GREAT. EVERYBODY CONTRIBUTED. MAYBE IT TAKES V.Y. TO BRING OUT THE DREAM IN THIS TEAM. THE GIANTS PLAYED GREAT & I KNEW THEY WERE GOING INTO OVERTIME. BUT THE EAGLES WOULD NOT BE DENIED. KEEP V.Y. AT QB. U KNOW HE CAN RUN OFF A STREAK OF 8 OR 10 CONSECUTIVE WINS.
You are right VY can.
But how do sit a 40 million QB ?
by letsthegamesbegan on Nov 22, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
The guy from Burn Notice would just get him arrested and forced a voided contract.
… just saying.
I would like to thank my hands for being so great, for allowing me to type this post.
by corn on the kolb on Nov 22, 2011 8:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
This might be my favorite comment ever
… just saying.
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by Midnight_Green_Lantern on Nov 23, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions

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