OK, let's take a step back for a second

by Joe_D on Nov 18, 2011 3:30 PM EST

Listen, I'm frustrated, you're frustrated, coaches are frustrated, players are frustrated, the whole city is frustrated.. The players get blame, the FO gets blame, Andy gets blame, his staff gets blame, and the list goes on.. It's a long one...

But one thing I'm starting to get tired of seeing is "Omg, we had the chance to resign Dawkins, and we freaking BLEW IT!"

Let's make a few things clear here

1. Dawk is HIGHLY over paid at the moment.

2. He's AWFUL in coverage, and was pretty bad in 2008 until J.J. masked him as a hybrid LB

3. Sure, he's a leader. But remember how 85% of the Eagles fan base put the blame on the 08 CG loss on the defense? Do you remember who was abused that game? Our fearless leader -- Dawkins...

Listen it hurts to talk about Dawk like that, and I really could go on (his SB game was sub par too). The fact is, the front office shares blame, and maybe you can say they did a poor job replacing him with the draft. But in no way shape or form would Brian Dawkins magically make this team, or defense any better.

Let's stop killing Howie Roseman too. I think he did a fantastic job wheeling and dealing. Not only building the team for the present, but for the future too. It's exciting knowing we're going to have high #1 and two high #2 draft picks next year (which hopefully are not spent on undersized, FAST, high motor LB/DEs ie Bryan Smith, Matt McCoy, Casey Matthews, Victor Abirimiri, DTO, Joe Mays, Chris Gocong, Keenan Clayton, YIKES).

He brought in Nnamdi, who when used right, shuts down pretty much every WR he's lined up against. Of course, the operative phrase is, when used right.

Cullen Jenkins and Jason Babin massively improved our pass rush too which was a little stagnant last year. He got them cheap, and their contracts were extremely reasonable as well.

The Kolb trade brought is likely going to bring in a high second rounder, and a potential pro bowl CB...who when used right, is pretty good... Operate phrase, when used right.

And please stop killing the Eagles for letting go aging veterans. I don't care if they were leaders. Troy Vincent was so done when we let him go, so was Bobby Taylor, Hugh Douglas robbed Jacksonville, Westbrook was done a year prior to his release, and it's arguable McNabb was done a year prior to his release also. It's also objectionable that some of these guys were actually leaders

I also find it amusing that a lot of these post are coming from fans with the name in the form of "Djackson" or "Djack10" or "actionjackson10".. Why? Because everyone of these posters are the ages 17-19, they don't even remember Dawkins when he was in his prime. Nor do they remember much about Troy Vincent or Bobby Taylor. They don't even remember when Dawkins could line up on the near side of the field and then make the tackle (or huge hit I should say) to stop the call carrier for a 2 yard gain on the other end of the field.

Talent is not an issue on this team. Even EvilBanner apologized to the front offing in the pre season. Blame everything you want, but please if I have to hear "we need Dawkins" one more time it will be to soon.

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Flagging this for sladorous statements regarding Dawk

i refuse to read that he had flaws!

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by Udalango on Nov 18, 2011 3:39 PM EST reply actions

your whole eagles viewing career

was likely when he started slowing down

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by Joe_D on Nov 18, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions

Sure why not

I actually agree with you. Id love to have him back but he isnt going to magically fix anything

by Udalango on Nov 18, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions

We need Dawkins!

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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Nov 18, 2011 3:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions

hahaha

Fire Howie!!

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by Bleediots on Nov 18, 2011 3:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

We're still not better off at the moment Joe.

Wether that was poor planning by the FO or not…I dont know…but replacing Vet who are leaders with mostly rookies is just ignorant…. I am not saying that we should have kept all or some of these guys, Im saying that the replacement plan was stupid…. and for that, Eagles FO, whether that is Lord Reid or his disciples…they are to blame….

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Nov 18, 2011 4:02 PM EST reply actions

Those vets we let go, stink as players

The players we have are better. No doubt that Nate Allen can cover better than Dawkins could at the moment, there’s no question. I personally see this season a failure due to Juan’s hiring, and some poor, poor execution on the offensive side of the ball… And yeah the FO deservs some blame with that terrible LC corps they put together, and jarad page….but… in no one way shape or form do aging veterans help “lead” the team

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by Joe_D on Nov 18, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions

Not with this coach.

George Allen worked wonders with old veterans.

I am glad that Dawkins is not here to be ridiculed and mocked, because this Defense would be no better with him than they are now, and his every failing would be talked about, bitched about, and whined about ad nauseum.

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by waterfield on Nov 19, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions

in no one way shape or form do aging veterans help "lead" the team

Thats just a stupid statement Joe….and you know it…..if you dont, then youve never played in competitive leagues before….

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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Nov 20, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions

How do you know the ages of other people? And why is that a reason to criticize them?

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by immynimmy on Nov 18, 2011 4:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions

Hearsay, inadmissible.

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by waterfield on Nov 19, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions

The problem with Dawk, was that Denver offered way more than we could justify paying.
Being a leader =/= playing every down. You need leadership on the field and in the locker room; Dawk was that. If we had been able to pay a reasonable price for him, I would imagine him playing less downs, leading on and off the field and mentoring his replacements. If nothing else, his play is not worse than the play we’ve seen from our current safeties.

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by KByars on Nov 18, 2011 4:42 PM EST reply actions

It's no worse than page

but as far as coverage goes…. Allen and even Coleman are better. I remember Dawk’s first year back celek and westbrook (who at the tim was a bit over the hill himself) abused dawkins really bad… he can still hit but he has to be masked as a player..

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by Joe_D on Nov 18, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions

People need to realize that if we kept all of these “leaders” we wouldn’t of had the cap space to sign Nnamdi and all the FA we have this year and sign the young talent we have now. At some point those leaders have to go so we can make way for the next ere of Eagles football.

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by Clint Eastwood on Nov 18, 2011 5:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions

i hope youre not implying that a fan in his teens is any less of a fan…the 2002 season is the first season i can really remember…but i still know my shit and am a diehard fan.

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by griffeagles on Nov 18, 2011 7:04 PM EST reply actions

I wouldn't think so

but clearly a fan of 40yrs is a bit more knowledgeable and less about the “flash” (Madden and Fantasy stats) of the game .. I myself don’t even have a fav player , for the mere fact next yr he could be a fucking Cowboy.

So basically “Djack” or who ever will have a sig of a Cowboy Giant ……….. So if your gonna pick a player his ass better be retired or in da AFC. Not meant for you of course.

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by Troy O on Nov 18, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions

So if your gonna pick a player his ass better be retired or traded to the AFC.

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by Troy O on Nov 18, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions

not at all

but there’s a couple teeens posting about bringing trotter back or shepard, vincent, etc… guys who we let go at the PERFECT right time and they’re bashing the FO for letting them go . that’s what im harping on

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by Joe_D on Nov 19, 2011 2:52 AM EST up reply actions

Ignorance and age are related in a nebulous way, not closely enought to be useful.

It is not so much more or less, but what kind of.

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by waterfield on Nov 19, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions

Totally Agree

I’m 19 and I still know that bringing Dawkins back won’t miraculously save anything. I can’t blame Howie Roseman either. He brought us a ridiculous amount of quality players at reasonable prices. I blame the coaching. The defense in particular. Talent-wise we have a team that is good enough to be superb in defending the pass and good enough in the run game (not spectacular but enough to get the job done). At some point you have to realize that these player haven’t spent enough time in the zone during practice and preseason to be good at it. When we play man, we have good to great coverage, zone coverage usually results in a 3rd and long becoming a first down. I’m beating the proverbial dead horse but Castillo is gone at the end of the year, he has too. He’s taken potentially decent squad and turned them into a steaming pile of horse excrement.

by nyeaglesfan624 on Nov 19, 2011 2:29 AM EST reply actions

Agree with that.

The coaching has failed miserably, and if Lurie/Banner spin it some other way, they are fools.

The Dolphins D was coached from 1987-1995, while Marino was there performing like a Hall of Famer, by a guy named Tom Olivadotti. He was incompetent. They blew 4th Q lead after 4th Q lead, game after game, year after year.

If we can get a strong DC this team will win. There is plenty for a new HC or at least DC to work with.

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by waterfield on Nov 19, 2011 3:34 PM EST reply actions