What The Broncos Taught Me
The Broncos make me sick, absolutely sick. Why? Because they’re so inferior to the Eagles in terms of talent and yet they have a better record, that’s why. The contrast between the Broncos and Eagles highlights everything that is wrong with the Eagles.
Just to start, look at the decisions they made regarding their coaching staff this offseason. John Fox didn’t hire his old buddies from the Carolina Panthers coaching staff, instead he hired Dennis Allen, the secondary coach from the New Orleans Saints. Some of you might recognize that name, why? Because the Eagles interviewed Dennis Allen. You also might remember that guy because Sean Payton, one of the best coaches in the NFL, was singing his praises. Somehow, Dennis Allen was good enough for John Fox and Sean Payton, two established NFL coaches but he isn’t good enough for Andy Reid.
So, while Dennis Allen is doing work up in Denver, we’re stuck with Juan Castillo because Andy Reid is intent on creating some bastardized, incestuous team that only promotes from within. Almost all of Andy Reid’s coaching assistants get promoted to position coaches. That, is a flaw. Is it arrogance? It sure looks like it. Or maybe he only wants to work with people he is comfortable with? Still a flaw.
But it doesn’t stop there. The Denver staff is actually using their players effectively and putting them in the best spots to be successful.
Tim Tebow can’t effectively run an offense from the pocket, so they let him run an option offense. This is a perfect example of effectively using the talent you have. He has poor receivers, an offensive line that struggles to pass protect, a powerful option QB, a deep stable of running backs, good blocking full backs and tight ends and an offensive line that is very good at run blocking. So what does John Fox and company do? They put together an offense that plays to their strengths.
Another example of playing players to their strengths is Von Miller. Von Miller was a dynamic pass rusher and athlete at Texas A&M but he was too small to be an on the line defender. Instead of passing on the best player on the board, they drafted him. And now, they move him around the defense, they line him up at linebacker and have him put his hand on the ground on obvious passing situations. Now, Von Miller is the best young defender in the game with 38 tackles, 8 sacks and 2 FF in 10 games.
Meanwhile in Philadelphia…
Michael Vick breaks his ribs unbeknownst to the coaching staff but it was very apparent that he wasn’t throwing the ball effectively. The Eagles are missing their two best receivers. What does Andy Reid do? He throws the ball and completely ignores LeSean McCoy, the best 4th quarter runner in the game who at that point was leading the NFL in rushing.
Juan Castillo is putting DRC who does not have the route recognition skills or toughness to play the slot in the slot.
Juan Castillo is playing the premier press man corner of our generation in zone coverage, at safety and in the slot.
They started the season by moving Moise Fokou to WLB, moving Jamar Chaney to SLB and started a 4th round rookie at MLB. Fokou had no experience at WLB and Chaney had no experience at SLB.
But what stands out most to me when you compare the two teams is the way these teams are built. The Broncos are filled with team oriented, unselfish players with strong leadership.
The Broncos have Tim Tebow who takes the game into his hands when the game matters most. When a receiver was in the wrong spot against the Jets, he walked up to him and explained where he should’ve been and clapped his hands to tell him to do better next time. Every player on that roster believes in him.
The Broncos have Brian Dawkins and Champ Bailey, two aging hall of fame players with strong leadership qualities. I don’t really feel the need to explain what these two bring to the table. Both are strong veteran presences who know the game and inspire confidence and belief in young players.
The Broncos have unselfish players all over their roster. You cannot find a player that is as selfish as DeSean Jackson, Michael Vick, Jason Babin, Asante Samuel or Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie on their roster. Their receivers don’t ask for the ball, they’re committed to the team. Their defense plays tough football, they play the run and they don’t freelance.
Meanwhile, Michael Vick mopes off the field with his head hanging down. Tim Tebow heaps praise on everyone imaginable. Michael Vick says you can’t design a defense to stop him.
The Eagles have no veteran presence that inspires confidence and belief in their young players. Just to make a point here, the vocal leader of the defense last year was Ernie Sims. Ernie. Sims. And now even he is gone. Ernie Sims was the guy in the middle of the pre-game huddle. Ernie Sims was the maniac throwing himself into people and bringing energy to the field. He was terrible but the defense sure could use a guy like him.
One of the other vocal leaders is Juqua Parker but at this point, how can you take him seriously? He hasn't played, he has been dinged up all season, he is probably the 6th string DE at this point and he was the guy who jumped offsides when the whole stadium knew the Bills weren't going to run a play.
Jason Babin and Asante Samuel are only in it for themselves. Just look at Jason Babin in run defense, he is a complete one trick pony. He refuses to line up over an offensive tackle. He throws a fit anytime someone suggests the Wide-9 scheme isn’t effective. He is in it for the stats. And Asante Samuel is hanging people out to dry on hunches, he won’t play press coverage and he still won’t defend the run. Both of these players are perfect examples of what is wrong with the Philadelphia eagles. When teams run at the left side of our defense where Jason Babin sees a vast majority of snaps, they average 5.31 yards per carry. That is the second worst mark in the NFL. He has been exposed as a one trick pony and running to his side works almost every time. Meanwhile, Asante Samuel can be blamed for the loss against the Cardinals because of his selfishness according to Tommy Lawlor.
Asante absolutely is to blame. Asante decided to freelance on the play. Rather than sticking with Fitz, Asante hung his teammate out to dry. And the team. Skelton hit Fitz for a gain of 37 and they scored a TD to take the lead.
The Eagles are filled with selfish, egotistical players that are enabled by the softie Andy Reid. Denver is filled with tough guys who just want to win and has a coach that knows how to utilize the talent he is given. Brandon Lloyd of the Broncos started being a diva because he wasn’t getting the ball and the Broncos shipped him off.
Jeremiah Trotter, one of the infamous tough guys of the Andy Reid era hit on a very interesting and valid point. Essentially, he says the Eagles are a business over everything else, that they have a price-tag on all players and the players know it.
Do you think DeSean Jackson is going to give his all when Joe Banner is up in the front office trying to shake him down for all he’s worth? Why would DeSean Jackson sacrifice himself for this team when he knows he could be somewhere else at the drop of a hat because the Eagles franchise doesn’t think he is as valuable as he thinks he is. Why should he sacrifice himself? All he has done is make plays for this franchise but guys like Jason Avant and Brent Celek get paid and the Eagles throw money at Vince Young, Steve Smith, Jarrad Page, Ryan Harris and other useless free agents.
Rumor has it that the Eagles blackballed Omar Gaither because he didn’t bite on the extension they offered him.
A report from Gary Cobb stated that Gaither had turned down a mid-season long term contract extension and that the organization was making him pay for it with less playing time. All sides denied the rumor, but the story persisted to hover around Gaither.
The Eagles let some of the best leaders the Eagles had walk because they didn’t value them. Brian Dawkins, Sheldon Brown, Jon Runyan, Tra Thomas, Lito Sheppard, Michael Lewis, Jeremiah Trotter, Stewart Bradley, Quintin Mikell, Brian Westbrook and Troy Vincent are all striking examples of this.
And Joe Banner is an asshole, look at what he has done and is doing to some of the most dynamic talent we have. He nudged T.O., the best offensive player to ever wear an Eagles uniform, off the edge because he didn’t want to pay him. He ruined Lito Sheppard’s career because he didn’t want to pay him. And now look at what he is doing to DeSean Jackson and Asante Samuel. Meanwhile, the Denver Broncos are more than willing to pay valuable veterans like Brian Dawkins and Champ Bailey. And it shows on the field, the players play harder and they put it all on the field for their team and organization.
Watching the Broncos play only made the Eagles’ flaws that much more apparent.
1. Joe Banner and Howie Roseman are dehumanizing the players and penny pinching on contracts while they play Madden football up in their offices, failing to account for team chemistry. If you don't think that matters, I don't know what team you're watching. Because the DeSean Jackson I'm seeing this year, the disgruntled guy in the last year of his contract, is not the same guy I saw in other years. And I know that at the very least there are rumblings in the locker room of this because Asante Samuel, the most vocal player on this team came out and said "A couple people upstairs might not want me, but who cares. They probably never played football, it's a business, they run it like a business, so they're going to do what they need to do. So they're upstairs playing with a lot of money, playing a little fantasy football, so they’re doing their thing."
You can't tell me that knowing you've got a price tag wouldn't make you a little upset. To know that no matter what, you're only worth this much to the franchise and if you disagree, they'll pack your bags for you. If you knew that was happening, would you give your all?
2. Andy Reid’s stubbornness, he refuses to adjust to the circumstances at hand and he typically avoids bringing people in from the outside. Egotism, stubbornness, complacency etc. etc. Andy Reid has them all. No coach in the NFL has done less with more than Andy Reid in his tenure.
Look at some of his former coaching assistants: Sean McDermott, Rory Segrest, James Urban and Bill Shuey. All 4 of those guys were shown the door this past season. Clearly the promotion of all of Andy's "hand trained" guys wasn't working and yet he was still allowed to promote Juan Castillo to defensive coordinator. Umm... What? You can't tell me that ego didn't play a part in this, that Andy Reid didn't on some level feel more comfortable with the guys he brought up because he was overconfident about his ability to groom these guys and/or thought the way he brought them up was the best way and didn't want to hire any outside guys who wouldn't be as effective as his "hand trained" guys.
And the game against Arizona was a perfect example of Andy's stubbornness. He has a QB with broken ribs and both of his top two receivers are missing and what does he do? He keeps on throwing the ball. That, is a tragic flaw. When Riley Cooper is seeing extended playing time and you keep throwing the ball despite the fact that you've got the most productive back in the NFL behind you, that is stubbornness.
3. The selfish players on this roster are a problem; I think you would come to find that very few of these teams put the team above themselves. I'm talking about Jason Babin, Asante Samuel, DeSean Jackson, Michael Vick and other players who aren't playing within the scheme and going out to get theirs and not doing what is best for the team. Former NFL scout Dave Razzanno points out that this is one of the flaws on the team:
They also need to steer clear of ”character” guys. I know WO Desean Jackson has talent but he has always been considered selfish, going back to his days at Cal-Berkeley. RB Lesean McCoy had some history of immaturity as did Free Agent OT Jason Peters. And talented QB Michael Vick was a guy nobody wanted just alittle over a year ago. These are all talented athletes but if you have too many selfish guys on your team it can catch up to you, taking away from team unity when the chips are down.
And the Beat Writers agree:
It is time for Andy Reid to go:
That was a long time ago now. Reid has let his program drift away from the high-character standards he set early on. He now has a team that plays soft and that seems more interested in contracts than contact. His ship appears rudderless, and there's no one to blame but the captain
Will The Eagles Quit On Reid?:
Veterans such as Samuel and Jason Babin have acquired big reputations and matching paychecks with individualistic play.
4. The lack of leadership on this squad; who on this team can lead? Who will put the team above themselves? Who can inspire confidence in the young players? Last year it was Michael Vick, this year there is nobody who has stepped up. I'm going to refer back to the Jeremiah Trotter interview really quick where he weighed in on the DeSean Jackson contract dispute. Trot said:
"These guys are young and they've got agents to take care of that but that's where you need veteran guys to say "You know what? Listen, just keep playing hard and if you don't get a contract here with Philadelphia you're going to get it somewhere else." I think that's what this team is lacking, it's lacking that type of leadership. I remember going through my situation and Troy Vincent sitting me down and saying "Hey Trot, don't worry about all that. All you have to do is go out and make plays and your game will speak for itself.""
Who on this team will do that? Michael Vick with his 100 million dollar extension in hand? Seems kind of hypocritical, no? It certainly won't be any of the new guys like Nnamdi or Jenkins, they're too new. Brian Dawkins could've done that. Brian Westbrook could've done that. Sheldon Brown could've done that.
We need a house cleaning from the top down; the fish rots at the head. Jeff Lurie needs to grow a pair and fire Andy Reid, Joe Banner and Howie Roseman. But lord knows he won’t do it. But until he does, nothing will ever change with the Philadelphia Eagles, ever.
Look at the gold standard teams in every sport. The Yankees, Steelers, Packers, Celtics and Lakers all operate the same way, the opposite of the Eagles. They don’t lowball players, they don’t let valuable veterans walk away and they don’t deal with selfish players. Did the Yankees let Derek Jeter walk? Did the Steelers let Casey Hampton,Aaron Smith, Jerome Bettis and Hines Ward just leave? Did the Packers deal with Brett Favre’s egotism? Did the Packers dump Donald Driver? Did the Celtics take a steaming dump on their greatest players? Are the Celtics going to get rid of Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen anytime soon and then lowball Rajon Rondo? Are the Lakers going to dump Kobe when he isn’t an all-pro player anymore? Of course not. But the Eagles will let Brian Dawkins, Jeremiah Trotter, Brian Westbrook and Sheldon Brown just walk out the door. And the old Eagles owner did the same thing to Reggie White.
The Eagles need to change, end of story.
And thinking about all of this just makes me realize how great Jim Johnson was. Not only was he an incredible schemer but he was a respectful and spectacularly effective communicator.
"He was an awesome coach, man. He always inspired guys to go out there and play hard and that's why I liked him. He didn't have to come out there and yell and stuff like that. He would just go out there and talk and have respect for you. So I always enjoyed him. I always miss him. He was an awesome coach."
Jim Johnson was the reason we were so close so many times, not Andy Reid. Jim Johnson inspired his players to go out and play hard for the team despite Joe Banner.
The Eagles issues are so much bigger than they appear. Things are only going to get worse if we keep the current status-quo in place. The structure that the Eagles have set up is crashing down and watching Tim Tebow and the Broncos made that sadly apparent. Yes, I realized these things as I watched John Fox, Tim Tebow and the 5-5 Broncos, it’s that bad on the Eagles.
We’re a talented team but bad coaching, demoralized players, selfish players, no leadership, no toughness and little continuity are biting us in the ass. This is a big mess, last year was an anomaly.
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With all the “rumors” and unproven claims in this post, Mike Florio would be proud.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
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by Imp on Nov 18, 2011 3:46 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
You know what? Just for you, I’ll update it some more. Although I should point out how stupid it is to only make judgments on things that are directly told to you and are 100% verifiable facts. Because you know, everything that is true is always 100% verifiable, right?
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nice post
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider Stay humble in victory respect all fear none and finish larry soprano
Great job on this. T. Y. 4 posting it.
Which player are you most disapointed with this yr?
For me it’s Asante was a fav of mine but he has broke my heart this season.
yea the F.O. and Andy messed with him but feel he should have stepped fwd as a leader.
You kids and your InterWebNet VooDoo......Scary
D-Jack.....Wow!
Very hard hitting piece on the entire organization. Also very valid point on how the Steelers and Yanks treat their players compared to the Eagles…….
This is great...
Rec’d!
Banner, Roseman and Reid must go.
They are disgusting frauds and pieces of shit as human beings.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
The Eagles let some of the best leaders the Eagles had walk because they didn’t value them. Brian Dawkins, Sheldon Brown, Jon Runyan, Tra Thomas, Lito Sheppard, Michael Lewis, Jeremiah Trotter, Stewart Bradley, Quintin Mikell, Brian Westbrook and Troy Vincent are all striking examples of this
lol runyan, dawkins, thomas, lewis , trotter and vincent were all sooooooo done when we let them walk
JoeD AKA The Voice Of Reason
I’m talking about the first time we let Trot walk, he was 25 and he most assuredly was not on E. And Brian Dawkins has been productive for the Broncos for 3 years, I dare you to go to the Broncos blog and tell them that Dawk has nothing left. They love him just as much as we did. Vincent and Lewis played for 4 more years after we let them walk. Runyan and Thomas were done at that point.
So you’re agreeing with me about Brown, Sheppard, Bradley, Mikell and Westbrook?
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Lito was selfish and quit on the team and never recovered even after he played elsewhere. That’s on him. Bradley hasn’t been good since his injury. Mikell got really well paid and we have a stable of talented young safeties (IMO) who just need experience. Westbrook was done here. McCoy had already begun taking over and there wasn’t any real room for Westy.
Brown is the only one I consider to be a mistake letting go. And even then he’s on the downhill.
So yeah. I think you’re totally wrong on this point.
And why did Lito quit on the team? You know what, I can answer that for you.

I can promise you that having Banner and the team owner publicly question you, knock you down and say you’re not worth it had an affect on Lito.
And seriously, Stewart Bradley wasn’t good after he got hurt? He was most certainly better than what we have now.
We have a young talented group of safeties? Don’t say that too loud. They get burnt like toast far too often. And the only reason we drafted a young safety in Jarrett is because we weren’t going to resign Mikell. Hmm… Veteran leader Mikell or young Jarrett, who do you think is more important?
Westbrook was done here? Yeah, because kicking all time franchise greats to the curb when you don’t need them anymore is acceptable. And you know damn well all the players on the roster have watched Dawk, McNabb, Westy, Sheldon, Runyan, Thomas, Trot and others get treated like scrubs and wonder “Are they going to treat me like that too?”
The point isn’t just about their play on the field, it’s also about the hole they left behind in the locker room and that, is undeniable.
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You know this is a philosophy of not investing huge amounts of money into players that are on the decline. And it’s one I agree with. We could either hitch to aging vets who do undeniably have a locker room presence, or we can continue to refresh the talent pool and stay younger. Both ways have drawbacks in one you lock up money with vets on the decline. In the other you lose experience and hope the youth is able to mature quickly enough. I think they did a good job. I think that even though they may have overshot the balance on vets to youth, that they tried to correct it a bit this off season. And it didn’t work out. In the end I think that the philosophy was correct even if it wasn’t executed as perfectly as it should have been.
Do you think we should have given Westy a big contract? I don’t think he was ready to be a back-up and I don’t think that the Eagles trusted him to be the started. If Lito was so “affected” by criticism maybe he shouldn’t be in the NFL? He moved on to other teams, if he was good enough why didn’t he play up to his potential there? That’s on him. Its not like Banner’s reaching out with his ghost hand cursing him. Stew hasn’t really done very well this season either, he’s barely seeing the field. I think he’s probably about the same as what we have now. Mikell got paid. I do think that they should have made more of an offer but you can’t pay everyone and still field a whole team. You have to look at the big picture. And yes I believe in our young safeties. They have flaws. They get burnt. But I see talent. And I think they’ll be good in the future… in the right schemes…
It’s not perfect but I think they have the right ideas they simply got too greedy this year and let one too many vets go. Mikell would have made a difference to this Defense, no doubt.
You know, ive seen countless times where people within and outside the organization have said or are proud of “letting guys go right before their decline”. Well we are certainly seeing the ill effects of those decisions now.
People need to understand that talent and top tier production arent always the best things to bet on. Sure some of those players were on the decline, but veteran leadership cannot be undervalued. Look at this team now…. all talent …no leadership…. how the fuck is that better? And what happens when these young punks outgrow their rookie contracts? Oh yeh, we let them walk out the door and let another rookie take his place… great job there… makes plenty of sense…. Cut all veterans out before they “start regressing” … keep drafting 10-12 guys per year, cause you know 12 mediorcre picks are way better than 7 solid ones…. Thats how you build a team!!!
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Nov 18, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Did you see Lito play against the Chargers on Thurs night football.
He played great. Covered very well and most was able to be physical and tackle the WR right after the catch was made. He looked like a elite corner unlike Nnamdi and Asante.
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by HawaiianGreen on Nov 18, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
On what grounds..
Do you consider Desean Jackson, Michael Vick, and Asante Samuel to be selfish players?
I agree that DRC has no heart, but I’ve never heard Desean Jackson crying for the ball, and Asante was the leading the team in tackles for a while. Jackson nearly broke his forearm in the Falcons game after chasing down a DL who recovered a fumble and prevented a touchdown.
If Westbrook was forced to play out his entire rookie contract, he would have been angry too. Its not right what they’re doing to Desean so I can see why he’s pissed.
The Eagles messed up letting go of Dawkins, Sheldon Brown, Stewart Bradley, and Mikell, but the rest were done.
I'd say the interception play that has been replayed a lot where D Jackson just falls to the ground instead of running down
the guy that intercepted (vs Cardinals) is an example of his selfishness.
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I dont get Stewart Bradley
He has done nothing in Arizona. Barely plays
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Nov 18, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
A fine piece. A few small points of contention, but nothing worth arguing over.
“The fish rots at the head,” pretty much sums up the situation.
AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.
This is pretty much my take as well
I don’t agree 100% but who ever does. There’s definitely nothing in there worth quibbling over.
Go Eagles!
I think its funny that
When Asante’s hunches work and get picks (which he was brought here to get) everyone loves him. But when it fails he is just a selfish fuck
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by Udalango on Nov 18, 2011 9:38 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Either way he is selfish.
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For doing what we wanted him for?
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We wanted him to sell out the safety help?
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"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
We wanted him to make picks
Like Udalango said, when he does that everybody loves him. If we had won this game, none of this would have been written. We are about as fickle and vaccilating of a fanbase as they come but if the coin had flipped the other way and we won, no one would be criticizing a damn thing.
I see your points, but we as fans only know a small percentage of the inside of how this business works. Players will walk if they think they will receive more money elsewhere so its not necessarily always on the team turning their back on them. A lot of this said as if you have explicit knowledge of the situation but you really only know as much as everybody else does. I get what you are trying to do, but to speak with such affirmation smacks of incredible bias of just being a pissed off fan.
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I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7
But we didn't win
Instead, we lost to the Cardinals. At home.
Because we don’t know how to run the damn ball.
by cwel87 on Nov 18, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol and thats asantes selfish ass fault
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don't get but hurt about Asante
He is what he is, we all knew this. I thought we knew this about NA as well, but our coaching seriously sucks ass to the point of making great players (NA, Asante) into moderate players.
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Joke homie learn it
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i know asante is playing ass this year
but I just disaggreed with the selfish thing
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
I think that can go for everybody
The whole team is playing like ass. Losing to the Cards at home was the death knell for this team. I thought that was a win in the bag but amazingly we pulled off an incredible loss.
If you are going through hell, keep going-Churchill
I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7
yeah
Andy Reid run the God damn ball now lord tebow will kill me
okay i have cerebral palsy arthris and chronic fatigue as well i have a great life and loveing folks some days are better than other days i got a make-a-wish in 2001 and saw my favorite team the broncos it was the trip of a lifetime i wish everyone couild have gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that okay but i bleed organ and bule for my mnr fans but i bleed orange and blue denver will rise again resident broncos fan for every blog resident broncos for stampede bule thanks shvd98z24 real name jeremy woodard nettleton high class of 02 yes i am a raider Stay humble in victory respect all fear none and finish larry soprano
this is a really good post
puts all my frustrations into words. great post
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Very good post, very good points
1) Juan Castillo clearly has no idea how to coach defense
2) Why didn’t that stop Andy Reid from hiring him?
3) With all this talent, something is clearly wrong internally
4) That sucks, because the Eagles really do have a boatload of talent
5) The Broncos are 5-5 and the Eagles are 3-6. Anyone who thinks this ship will right itself needs to re-evaluate how they analyze football.
3) With all this talent, something is clearly wrong internally
This is what it really comes down to. Is there not enough push for accountability from the HC? I think a lot of the key players (Vick, Jenkins, NA, even Babin) are probably shaking their head and wondering what the hell is going on. Not so much in the we dont care attitude but suprised that they have fallen this far. That is the exact time that you need a leader (the HC) to come in and push them onward. Granted, I have no clue as to what is said after a loss to the players but I just dont feel like AR and Co are motivating the players and are just floundering when it comes down to it. Is AR that suprised that Castillo is that terrible? Is he getting ready to give him the boot and is already looking to next year?
If you are going through hell, keep going-Churchill
I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7
Great post
Like we all have said, COACHING! AR is just flat out bloated by his ignorance. I think we can also learn from the jets as well. If we keep andy, i wouldnt be apposed to bring in a huge named DC to light some fire under his ass like Ryan
Stats won't get you in the playoffs. Winning will get you in the playoffs
-Michael Vick-
We think about how stupid the play calling is, and wonder why they don’t run the ball more. Honestly at some points I wonder how it must feel to be a QB on an offense where the game plan is so flawed. I mean, we all see that some of the shit they try to pull off is ridiculous. How must it feel as an offense to have to try to constantly polish Reids turds. How must it feel to know what you and your team mates are capable of just to be limited by his play calling. Vick would go nuts on that Denver offense with just 1 reliable receiver. Instead he is here. Instead of saying this is what we have, let’s make it work, they say.. we pay you very well to do what we want u to. Go do it. Most mobile QB in history getting trained to be Peyton Manning. If you want him to lead your offense, put him in position to win. Trying to be someone you aren’t puts a lot of pressure on a person.
"you cannot think this 6-foot man is going to survive a full season if defenses have 904 chances to knock his block off"
by EaglesandRavensFan on Nov 18, 2011 10:50 AM EST reply actions
Yeah that "team" mentality the broncos have is pretty awesome to see
You know what isnt?
The fact that the second something goes wrong on offense, Vick hangs his head.
Seriously?
When did this happen?
But really? People hated on McNabb cause he laughed shit off, Now Vick comes in and hangs his head, we have no idea what he is thinking and thats wrong too. What do you want. him to be mad and screaming at people?
I can see it now that will happen and everyone will be all “Ugh stop yelling at peep QB you arent playing good either!”
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
Spot on Uda
I find it ridiculous that people assume what is going on through the players heads. I find it laughable really.
I can see it now that will happen and everyone will be all "Ugh stop yelling at peep QB you arent playing good either!"
Haha, so effing true.
If you are going through hell, keep going-Churchill
I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7
Alright, you're the leader of your offense and you throw a pick.
You don’t go to the sideline with your head down like the games over. I see Vick sitting on the sidelines more and more with his head down than he does talking to other players, giving advice and being a leader.
I don’t want him to throw shit fits, I don’t want him to lose his mind on the sideline, I want him to stop sulking after every last thing that goes wrong.
Alright, you’re the leader of your offense and you throw a pick.
Yup I go making jokes and laughing around because, surprise, people handle shit diff. I know if im stressed and not laughing im going to continue playing bad.
Maybe Vick is trying to destress himself YOU DONY KNOW I dont either so im not judging him.
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
Hey, man, I'm not gonna argue about what I see
but I’ve never been on a team nor seen a team where my/a QB hung his head in the first quarter cause he threw a pick or failed to convert as if the game was over.
I don’t know whats running through his head, you’re right, but if you’re a leader, act like a leader and have a short term memory. Thats what gets you through the game. Drop an easy pass? Forget about it. Make the grab by any means next time. Fumble the ball? Forget about it, clutch for dear life next carry. Throw an interception? Forget about it, make the play next time.
This kind of stuff is bull
It’s the same thing that people say about Eli’s facial expressions.
No one should care
Self-praise is for losers. Be a winner. Stand for something. Always have class, and be humble.
-John Madden
[Jake Ballard] has 4 speeds actually:
Stop→Slow→Truck (he shifts into that when its time to carry 4 defenders for another 4 yards)→LEAP!
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fans want to win pure and simple
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whatever gets the win is justified in the fans’ eyes. If it worked, it works.
Anything that fails to get the win (or that causes a loss) is automatically a stupid idea.
French fries are really Belgian, sausages and bagels have the same amount of protein, two countries' names mean "turkey", and Santa Claus was invented by the Coca-Cola company. Is life weird or what?
Debe ser verde y volante - Πράσινο και να πετάει - It's gotta be green and it's gotta fly!
Looking at what many claim to be Reid’s core of coaching expertise "developing QBs
1. Mcnabb, left here with what 11yrs of Reids tutoring and looked really bad. The “rumor” of him being lazy and a goof off during practice n prep came to light for me when I saw him on the side line of a Vikings pre season game just actin a fool, not even watching the game. You think he would have been attached to the coord’s hip learning the offense instead of telling jokes n generally screwin off.
2. Kolb, Not exactly setting the world on fire.
3. Vick, Looks like he is really having a hard time improving or at least holding steady from last yrs run.
I like all of these guys and wish them the best but it’s getting painful to look at our team without the rose colored glasses on.
And would a new head coach be enough to move fwd or just a start with more new faces needed in F.O.?
You kids and your InterWebNet VooDoo......Scary
Just a very disappointing season
Coaches are completely clueless. Receivers can’t catch a cold, defense cant stop a cold, and our best player doesnt get the ball.
Whos your Daddy?
I gave this a rec
I had the same thoughts last night watching the game, it was hard explaining to my kids that one of my all time favorite EAGLES was playing (well) for a different team. I cannot understand it how can they?
I’ve been a AR supporter/defender since he’s been here, but the same repeated mistakes year after year have me fed up with this “team”
WOW.
Excellent write up d-jack. Rec’d for the quality and the insightfulness.
Usually when things look this bad it points to a win in the next game. I am now officially worried.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 23 PHI 21
Exactly
Giants are going down hard… watch out.
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 19, 2011 1:58 AM EST up reply actions
I dont get how Reid only hires internally
when the Special teams Coord, Dline coach, oline coach were all brought from different teams. Plus our OC has coached numerous other places before coming here. I’ll give you Castillo, but we have brought in other coaches from other teams.
by Mike Will is DoubleDown on Nov 18, 2011 12:05 PM EST reply actions
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The Broncos make me sick, absolutely sick. Why? Because they’re so inferior to the Eagles in terms of talent and yet they have a better record, that’s why.
Denver’s 16-game Pythagorean record: 6.3 – 9.7
Philadelphia’s 16-game Pythagorean record: 8.7 – 7.3
The Denver Broncos are nearly as much the beneficiary of good luck as the Eagles are of bad luck. The fact they have a better record is a matter of circumstance.
So, while Dennis Allen is doing work up in Denver, we’re stuck with Juan Castillo because Andy Reid is intent on creating some bastardized, incestuous team that only promotes from within.
2010 Broncos D: 32nd in yards and points. 2011 Broncos D: 28th in yards, 25 in points. Doing work apparently means “improving your defense from complete crap to mostly crap”.
It is true that the Broncos D has improved and the Eagles really haven’t, even with all the turnover. But it’s not like Dennis Allen is suddenly a whiz. His D is still pretty terrible no matter how you slice it.
we’re stuck with Juan Castillo because Andy Reid is intent on creating some bastardized, incestuous team that only promotes from within. Almost all of Andy Reid’s coaching assistants get promoted to position coaches.
Marty Mornhinweg, Dick Jauron, Jim Washburn, Howard Mudd, Johnnie Lynn, David Culley, Bobby April, Ted Williams. All these men have held some coaching position on the Eagles sometime in the past two years. None of them were recently-promoted coaching assistants. Moving on.
Tim Tebow can’t effectively run an offense from the pocket, so they let him run an option offense. This is a perfect example of effectively using the talent you have. He has poor receivers, an offensive line that struggles to pass protect, a powerful option QB, a deep stable of running backs, good blocking full backs and tight ends and an offensive line that is very good at run blocking. So what does John Fox and company do? They put together an offense that plays to their strengths.
I will give credit to the Broncos here. They are figuring out how to win games. However, the Eagles still have a much better offense than them, so this doesn’t resonate.
Von Miller was a dynamic pass rusher and athlete at Texas A&M but he was too small to be an on the line defender. Instead of passing on the best player on the board, they drafted him.
Because passing on the 2nd-best player in the draft and the 23rd-best player in the draft are equally bad, correct?
But what stands out most to me when you compare the two teams is the way these teams are built. The Broncos are filled with team oriented, unselfish players with strong leadership.
Leadership! Unselfish! Leadership! Unselfish!
These two words have now become the new buzzwords for Eagles fans when someone asks “what went wrong?” If the Eagles get a “leader” (an arbitrary definition by any measure), they will start winning games.
I will admit that I think NFL teams might be more affected by good leadership than in other sports. A lot of teams rely on communication, teamwork, hustle, etc. that can be facilitated by good leadership. However, leadership won’t protect Michael Vick from getting plowed into his lineman. It won’t prevent Jarrad Page and Jamar Chaney from missing tackles. It won’t prevent Juan Castillo from screwing up how he uses his CBs. It won’t prevent Jeremy Maclin from that one unfortunate drop. And so on.
Point is, the lack of a ‘leader’ is not nearly as high up on the reasons why the Eagles aren’t playing well as shoddy playcalls, bad execution, and a lack of depth at certain spots. Honestly it shouldn’t affect on-field performance at all (see: 2010-11 Flyers – if you believe the media about a rift). So why harp on it?
You can have the defense with the less-talented ‘leader’ types and I’ll take the defense with talent and work with that.
The Broncos have unselfish players all over their roster. You cannot find a player that is as selfish as DeSean Jackson, Michael Vick, Jason Babin, Asante Samuel or Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie on their roster.
Does being selfish correlate with bad playing? How do you know they’re being selfish? Selfish doen’t miss tackles or throw picks, playing badly does.
Just to make a point here, the vocal leader of the defense last year was Ernie Sims. Ernie. Sims. And now even he is gone. Ernie Sims was the guy in the middle of the pre-game huddle. Ernie Sims was the maniac throwing himself into people and bringing energy to the field. He was terrible but the defense sure could use a guy like him.
If I had a nickel for every time an Eagles fan has said “We could use Ernie Sims” since last year, I would have one nickel. Ernie Sims was a bad player. This wouldn’t have changed regardless of his ‘leader’ status.
Meanwhile, Michael Vick mopes off the field with his head hanging down. Tim Tebow heaps praise on everyone imaginable. Michael Vick says you can’t design a defense to stop him.
2008: “Why does Donovan laugh after he throws picks? He should take them more seriously.”
2011: “Why does Vick have his head down? He should go encourage his teammates.”
2014: “Why does Kafka need to talk to his teammates after every pick? Why can’t he just keep to himself?”
(Note: the Kafka example may have been forced, but the point holds that this is a silly gripe.)
Do you think DeSean Jackson is going to give his all when Joe Banner is up in the front office trying to shake him down for all he’s worth? Why would DeSean Jackson sacrifice himself for this team when he knows he could be somewhere else at the drop of a hat because the Eagles franchise doesn’t think he is as valuable as he thinks he is. Why should he sacrifice himself?
wait wait wait wait
So after spending the better part of two weeks bashing DeSean for his soft play, you’re suddenly standing up for him when it comes to his contract woes? I thought you didn’t want him back.
Yup, this post is going downhill.
All he has done is make plays for this franchise but guys like Jason Avant and Brent Celek get paid and the Eagles throw money at Vince Young, Steve Smith, Jarrad Page, Ryan Harris and other useless free agents.
Of the four players you listed, two aren’t on the roster, and they each cost the vet minimum, so they were low-risk, high reward deals. The other two were signed to below-market contracts to fill key gaps (well, at least Young was.) It’s like someone complaining their wife wasted money on a Twix bar.
The Eagles let some of the best leaders the Eagles had walk because they didn’t value them. Brian Dawkins, Sheldon Brown, Jon Runyan, Tra Thomas, Lito Sheppard, Michael Lewis, Jeremiah Trotter, Stewart Bradley, Quintin Mikell, Brian Westbrook and Troy Vincent are all striking examples of this.
Aging and overpaid, Brown, aging, aging, sucked, sucked, Trotter, injured and underachieving, Mikell, aging, aging.
I’m really sure last year’s Eagles really suffered after losing all of these guys (except Bradley, who wasn’t effective anyway).
And Joe Banner is an asshole, look at what he has done and is doing to some of the most dynamic talent we have. He nudged T.O., the best offensive player to ever wear an Eagles uniform, off the edge because he didn’t want to pay him.
Terrell Owens was causing a deep rift in the locker room and was alienating many of the Eagles’ key players. He was also one of the highest-paid players of the time; giving him more money would have been ridiculous. I sincerely hope you don’t think he should have gotten more money.
He ruined Lito Sheppard’s career because he didn’t want to pay him. And now look at what he is doing to DeSean Jackson and Asante Samuel.
Why do you care so much about Lito Sheppard? He was a great player but he was a speedy, undersized guy who was losing his speed when Asante came to town.
You can argue that DeSean may be hurting because of his contract, but what does Joe Banner have to do with Samuel? The trade rumors? It seems to me that while Samuel is a talented player he lets himself get distracted too much by the business side. Look at how he complained about NE.
Meanwhile, the Denver Broncos are more than willing to pay valuable veterans like Brian Dawkins and Champ Bailey. And it shows on the field, the players play harder and they put it all on the field for their team and organization.
Since the Broncos signed Brian Dawkins, they are 17-23 and have not made the playoffs. They would not make the playoffs if the season ended today. Their “willingness” to pay for vets has not gotten them anything recently.
Alright, g2g. Part 2 coming… whenever I am done with the day.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by alcatraz0109 on Nov 18, 2011 2:11 PM EST reply actions 22 recs
+10000
If you are going through hell, keep going-Churchill
I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7
+20000
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
It’s over 9000
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
R2C2!
RIP JJ
by sports00fan00 on Nov 18, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
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by macjack09 on Nov 18, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Since the Broncos signed Brian Dawkins, they are 17-23 and have not made the playoffs.
Dont think the claim here is that the Broncos are a staple organization. (look no further then the QB position the last 3 yrs) More that they picked up a great player wit plenty in da tank. physically n mentally..
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
I’m not trying to claim the Broncos are stable or unstable. I’m just noting their record since signing Dawk isn’t very good. And I wouldn’t say Dawk had “plenty in the tank”. He certainly had enough left to put together a solid ‘09 season. But he’s fallen off a cliff the last two years, and he’s not really proving to be worth the investment.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by alcatraz0109 on Nov 20, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
So so true.
The ONLY thing I’ll give the Bronco’s credit for is they’ve been able to put together game winning drives. The Eagles haven’t been able to do that. Either because of bad luck or stupid mental mistakes.
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MonSTARZ forever!
All that you say might be true but you’re missing the bigger point he’s making about the Eagles organization as a whole…
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 19, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
Denver’s 16-game Pythagorean record: 6.3 – 9.7
Philadelphia’s 16-game Pythagorean record: 8.7 – 7.3
Denver’s Real Record: 5-5
Philadelphia’s Real Record: 3-6
2010 Broncos D: 32nd in yards and points. 2011 Broncos D: 28th in yards, 25 in points. Doing work apparently means "improving your defense from complete crap to mostly crap".
It is true that the Broncos D has improved and the Eagles really haven’t, even with all the turnover. But it’s not like Dennis Allen is suddenly a whiz. His D is still pretty terrible no matter how you slice it.
In the past 5 games the Broncos are allowing 21.4 points and in the 4 wins they’ve allowed 15.5 points. They’re improving and putting the offense in position to make plays. Meanwhile, the Eagles defense appears to be improving on the stat sheet but they keep making stupid mistakes down the stretch.
Marty Mornhinweg, Dick Jauron, Jim Washburn, Howard Mudd, Johnnie Lynn, David Culley, Bobby April, Ted Williams. All these men have held some coaching position on the Eagles sometime in the past two years. None of them were recently-promoted coaching assistants. Moving on.
Wait, does that mean Andy Reid didn’t promote Sean McDermott, Rory Segrest, James Urban, Ted Dashier and Bill Shuey?They’re some examples that I can recall after the top of my head of former head coach assistants who got jobs as position coaches, can you name anything positive any of those guys did? I can only think of one thing, getting fired. Does that mean he didn’t give his buddy Juan the defensive coordinator job? Moving on.
I will give credit to the Broncos here. They are figuring out how to win games. However, the Eagles still have a much better offense than them, so this doesn’t resonate.
Typical uppity response, “I can respect that but we’re still better”. Hey, breaking news, we’re not. Over the past 5 games we’re only averaging a field goal more than the Broncos per game. Oh and they’re actually doing what it takes to win games while ours sputters out in the 4th quarter.
Oh and ours might put up more yards but we also turn the ball over more than just about every other offense in the NFL. We’ve got .198 turnovers per drive, the 30th ranked team in that regard in the NFL. The Broncos are +6 in the turnover department ever since Tebow took over and they’re 5-1 because of it. We’re losing the turnover battle.
The Broncos are playing effective and physical football with the talent they have. We, are not. That is the point.
If I had a nickel for every time an Eagles fan has said "We could use Ernie Sims" since last year, I would have one nickel. Ernie Sims was a bad player. This wouldn’t have changed regardless of his ‘leader’ status.
You’ve got zero nickels sir! I said a guy LIKE Ernie Sims, a guy who brings energy to the field and is a vocal presence.
2008: "Why does Donovan laugh after he throws picks? He should take them more seriously."
2011: "Why does Vick have his head down? He should go encourage his teammates."
2014: "Why does Kafka need to talk to his teammates after every pick? Why can’t he just keep to himself?"
Yay for minimizing real issues with false and sarcastic comparisons!
How do you think Michael VIck moping around, complaining all the time and hanging his head down is perceived by other players? By players on our team you can’t look at Vick and think “Alright, we got this” and opposing players are looking at Vick after they hit him and thinking “We’re doing exactly what we set out to do”. Not exactly an empowering message for our side.
Who cares if McNabb laughed? Whatever, that had no bearing on the game. However, a sulking and bitchy Vick most certainly affects the entire roster. By the end of the games he is laying on the field, complaining to refs, yelling at linemen, walking off the field limping with his head down. What kind of message does that send to his teammates on offense? Not a positive one. And what do you think the defense thinks? They can’t be thinking that he if they make a stop or make a mistake that he is a guy who can go out and compensate or drive them down the field for a win. Michael VIck looks defeated.
Winning is an attitude and Vick doesn’t have it this year, his demeanor is completely different in a wholly negative way.
wait wait wait wait
So after spending the better part of two weeks bashing DeSean for his soft play, you’re suddenly standing up for him when it comes to his contract woes? I thought you didn’t want him back.
Yup, this post is going downhill.
Wait wait wait wait, who was excusing DeSean? Shame on him for letting his contract situation affect his play but shame on Banner for letting it come to this. And yes, if things don’t change with DeSean, I don’t want him back. But lets not pretend things were always this way, DeSean has been driven to this point by Joe Banner / Howie Roseman.
Of the four players you listed, two aren’t on the roster, and they each cost the vet minimum, so they were low-risk, high reward deals. The other two were signed to below-market contracts to fill key gaps (well, at least Young was.) It’s like someone complaining their wife wasted money on a Twix bar.
So because the guys aren’t on the roster anymore, they didn’t happen? The message to DeSean Jackson just disappears? The fact is that the Eagles were on a spending spree this offseason and they didn’t spend anything on DeSean.
Vince Young and Steve Smith are earning a combined $6,281,250 this year. Please go and find me a more expensive back-up QB and #5 WR combination. Are you telling me that we couldn’t have went into the year with Chad Hall and Mike Kafka and had the same results thus far? Meanwhile, DeSean Jackson is earning $600,000.
Guess what, if you gave DeSean that 6+ million dollars per year, he would be the 10th highest paid receiver in the NFL above Anquan Boldin and below Greg Jennings. But yeah, we just paid those guys spare change that could’ve been spent on Twix bars.
Aging and overpaid, Brown, aging, aging, sucked, sucked, Trotter, injured and underachieving, Mikell, aging, aging.
I’m really sure last year’s Eagles really suffered after losing all of these guys (except Bradley, who wasn’t effective anyway).
Wait, so you’re saying that we didn’t miss and aren’t missing guys like Brian Dawkins, Sheldon Brown, Quintin Mikell and Stewart Bradley? You don’t think the departure of these established, respected and tough veterans has anything to do with the defensive decline over the past 3 years?
Terrell Owens was causing a deep rift in the locker room and was alienating many of the Eagles’ key players. He was also one of the highest-paid players of the time; giving him more money would have been ridiculous. I sincerely hope you don’t think he should have gotten more money.
Caused a deep rift after the team wouldn’t give him the money he deserved. And absolutely he deserved the money, do you realize how dominant he was? He was the absolute most dominant offensive player to ever wear the Midnight Green. In 21 games he had 124 receptions, 1963 yards and 20 TDs. That’s 5.9 catches per game, 93 yards per game and .95 touchdowns per game. Do you realize how good that is? Those numbers over the course of his career would be the best of all time. Those are all time numbers. Should’ve paid him.
Why do you care so much about Lito Sheppard? He was a great player but he was a speedy, undersized guy who was losing his speed when Asante came to town.
You can argue that DeSean may be hurting because of his contract, but what does Joe Banner have to do with Samuel? The trade rumors? It seems to me that while Samuel is a talented player he lets himself get distracted too much by the business side. Look at how he complained about NE.
I brought up Lito because he is a perfect example of what this team does to guys. He can’t come to terms with the franchise on an extension so they try and ship him out and when their asking price is too high, they sit him on the bench, replace him with someone else and diminish their value. This is the most clear example of this.
When asked about Sheppard, however, Lurie said: ’’I’m very hopeful that Lito will have a terrific season, show us and the league that he’s back to old Lito, feels healthy, he’s got great playmaking ability, and certainly a lower YPA and just really performs the way that we know Lito can.’’
Sheppard wasn’t pleased. Like most reporters, he was not familiar with the stat, and he said he had no idea how he ranked. Attempts to track down the number Lurie alluded to hadn’t succeeded when this was posted. ESPN stats maven K.C. Joyner, one of the stat’s chief proponents, ranked the Eagles’ duo of Sheppard and Sheldon Brown 17th in YPA last season, at 7.8 yards per attempt.
“I guess he’s got to find something bad against me, huh?” Sheppard said after returning to training camp workouts Wednesday from a groin injury. “I’m not hiding. I know what I can do; everybody knows what I can do. If you’ve got to dig that deep to bring up something to say I can’t do good? Hey, that shows how good a player I am. I tip my hat to him for expressing that.”
The fact that they’re shaking these guys down, actively looking for reasons to put them down and letting contract talks get to the point where they disrupt the player on field is bad on the management. That’s the thing with Asante, yeah he is selfish and he is very concerned with the business side of things. Everyone knows that and the Eagles organization still made it abundantly clear to Asante and everyone in the public that they were actively looking to deal him. That should’ve never happened, that’s another example of letting their front office workings affect the on field product.
Since the Broncos signed Brian Dawkins, they are 17-23 and have not made the playoffs. They would not make the playoffs if the season ended today. Their "willingness" to pay for vets has not gotten them anything recently.
Did I say the Broncos were a steady organization? No, I said they’re paying their veterans and it shows on the field when the team is playing tough, smart and team football.
The Curse of Lombardi
#TeamFireAndyReid
"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
by d-jackfan10 on Nov 19, 2011 4:49 AM EST up reply actions 5 recs
The word "shakedown" is particularly well-used here
Banner and Roseman are the schoolyard bullies who basically push the young players around and force them to take subpar contracts or get blackballed. They are disgusting.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
And my favorite part of his post...
…was how he ignored clowns like McDermott and Seagrest as if they didn’t happen. Because if he had included them, it would ruin his apologist “point.”
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
by EvilBanner on Nov 19, 2011 8:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You two are so cute together.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by alcatraz0109 on Nov 20, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You really dont remember how mad people were at this?
Who cares if McNabb laughed?
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
I do. But I don’t so it is unfair and abusive to use it as an argument against me. Not to mention that it was a false analogy.
The Curse of Lombardi
#TeamFireAndyReid
"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
Its the exact same.
What kind of message does that send to his teammates on offense? Not a positive one. And what do you think the defense thinks? They can’t be thinking that he if they make a stop or make a mistake that he is a guy who can go out and compensate or drive them down the field for a win. Michael VIck looks defeated.
100% speculation. You have no idea what any of the players are thinking.
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
Oh please, if the guy who is supposed to be your leader mopes all around you know just as well as I do that has an effect on people.
The Curse of Lombardi
#TeamFireAndyReid
"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
Prove to me without a doubt that he is moping and ill buy it
good luck getting to the sideline homie
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
2011 Michael Vick

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"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
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"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
Actually dont bother you're right. Look at these mopey mutha fuckas




Not really moping here but THIS is the best leadership ive seen in years

Get your head up Peyton!!! Head down is bad leadership!

Jay is a baby Jay is a Baby!
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Didnt seem to hold these teams back to have pouty quarterbacks. When you get your sports psych degree maybe these claims that he is mopey will matter more than they do now. Unless you got one of those hearing dish device things that goes through tvs in which case your a billionaire or an alien. buy the team your self
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
Denver’s Real Record: 5-5
Philadelphia’s Real Record: 3-6
If you want to subscribe to “you are what your record says you are” then that’s your motto. But the Broncos have played 7 games decided by 3 points or less and are 4-3 in them. They are winning coin flip games. The Eagles are 1-5 in these games. They are losing coin flip games. The Packers were 4-6 in these games last year and look where they ended up.
One-possession games don’t tell the whole story. They really aren’t outplaying opponents. Their point differential is subpar. They are a mediocre team that has willed its way to .500. The team that plays great for three quarters and bad for one is better than a team that stumbles through 4 quarters by the skin of its teeth.
In the past 5 games the Broncos are allowing 21.4 points and in the 4 wins they’ve allowed 15.5 points. They’re improving and putting the offense in position to make plays. Meanwhile, the Eagles defense appears to be improving on the stat sheet but they keep making stupid mistakes down the stretch.
In the past 5 games the Eagles are allowing 19.0 points and in their 3 wins they’ve allowed 11, mistakes and all. The Eagles, with the mistakes, have also been improving. I don’t know what cherrypicking was supposed to do for you here.
Also, defenses tend to play well when a team wins. What a radical concept! Plus, 21.4 is league average. SSS still doesn’t makes Dennis Allen a whiz.
Wait, does that mean Andy Reid didn’t promote Sean McDermott, Rory Segrest, James Urban, Ted Dashier and Bill Shuey?They’re some examples that I can recall after the top of my head of former head coach assistants who got jobs as position coaches, can you name anything positive any of those guys did? I can only think of one thing, getting fired. Does that mean he didn’t give his buddy Juan the defensive coordinator job? Moving on.
Ted Daisher gave the Eagles a top 5 (I think?) ST in his one year as ST coordinator. He also wasn’t a recently-promoted assistant. (Wikipedia, yo.)
So of the 4 coaching assistants you actually listed that have held coaching positions the last 2-3 years (directly contradicting your point that the Eagles are “a bastardized, incestuous team that only promotes from within”), 3 have not done good jobs (Urban was the QB coach who improved Vick and he was not fired).
Andy Reid has a very good track record with assistant coaches. Calling this into question shows a lack of research on your part.
Typical uppity response, "I can respect that but we’re still better". Hey, breaking news, we’re not. Over the past 5 games we’re only averaging a field goal more than the Broncos per game. Oh and they’re actually doing what it takes to win games while ours sputters out in the 4th quarter.
I said our offense is better. Thank you for confirming this on a smaller sample size.
But I do agree the Eagles O struggles mightily in the 4th quarter. However, the NFL doesn’t double the value of each point in the 4th quarter, so thinking “the Broncos’ O is better in the 4th quarter so they have a better offense!” is wrong.
Oh and ours might put up more yards but we also turn the ball over more than just about every other offense in the NFL. We’ve got .198 turnovers per drive, the 30th ranked team in that regard in the NFL. The Broncos are +6 in the turnover department ever since Tebow took over and they’re 5-1 because of it. We’re losing the turnover battle.
The Eagles turn the ball over more. Fair enough. Michael Vick is also asked to do more than Tim Tebow, so naturally he is prone to interceptions.
Also, I’m not sure how this validates your point. You’re quoting two different sample sizes.
You’ve got zero nickels sir! I said a guy LIKE Ernie Sims, a guy who brings energy to the field and is a vocal presence.
Once this clarification is made, it makes the whole statement so broad.
I mostly did it to remark how you wanted someone like Ernie Sims.
How do you think Michael VIck moping around, complaining all the time and hanging his head down is perceived by other players? By players on our team you can’t look at Vick and think "Alright, we got this" and opposing players are looking at Vick after they hit him and thinking "We’re doing exactly what we set out to do". Not exactly an empowering message for our side.
Who cares if McNabb laughed? Whatever, that had no bearing on the game. However, a sulking and bitchy Vick most certainly affects the entire roster. By the end of the games he is laying on the field, complaining to refs, yelling at linemen, walking off the field limping with his head down. What kind of message does that send to his teammates on offense? Not a positive one. And what do you think the defense thinks? They can’t be thinking that he if they make a stop or make a mistake that he is a guy who can go out and compensate or drive them down the field for a win. Michael VIck looks defeated.
Winning is an attitude and Vick doesn’t have it this year, his demeanor is completely different in a wholly negative way.
You don’t know what’s going on in the huddle or locker room and neither do I. People react to different things in different ways.I know a lot of people who act bummed when they make bad plays in sports. It hardly affects them or the team. I highly doubt Vick is truly that mentally weak.
Also, I defer to this post by Udalango.
Wait wait wait wait, who was excusing DeSean? Shame on him for letting his contract situation affect his play but shame on Banner for letting it come to this. And yes, if things don’t change with DeSean, I don’t want him back. But lets not pretend things were always this way, DeSean has been driven to this point by Joe Banner / Howie Roseman.
It’s a shame as well but I can’t totally fault Banner/Roseman for this. They wanted to wait and see if it would be worth locking up DeSean long term early after he regressed from 2009 to 2010, especially considering the ‘boom-and-bust’ nature of DeSean’s play. So far, he hasn’t produced as expected.
Whether this season has been affected by his contract status, I’m not sure. He deserves to be paid more but he hasn’t really earned that this year. Again, neither you nor I know what’s going on.
So because the guys aren’t on the roster anymore, they didn’t happen? The message to DeSean Jackson just disappears? The fact is that the Eagles were on a spending spree this offseason and they didn’t spend anything on DeSean.
You’re comparing apples to more expensive apples here. Page and Harris cost $1M total. DeSean, for lack of a better term, wouldn’t come for quite so cheap.
Vince Young and Steve Smith are earning a combined $6,281,250 this year. Please go and find me a more expensive back-up QB and #5 WR combination. Are you telling me that we couldn’t have went into the year with Chad Hall and Mike Kafka and had the same results thus far? Meanwhile, DeSean Jackson is earning $600,000.
Guess what, if you gave DeSean that 6+ million dollars per year, he would be the 10th highest paid receiver in the NFL above Anquan Boldin and below Greg Jennings. But yeah, we just paid those guys spare change that could’ve been spent on Twix bars.
You do realize without Vince Young there is no QB3 and Mike Kafka is the QB2? We would have still needed a veteran backup. Those don’t come for the vet minimum. Even Tyler Thigpen (who I wanted) signed for about $4M.
It’s a bummer about Steve Smith but you only save 1.5M by going with Chad Hall. It’s not that much money and I would certainly take that chance on a 26-year-old former Pro Bowler again, knee injury and all.
Wait, so you’re saying that we didn’t miss and aren’t missing guys like Brian Dawkins, Sheldon Brown, Quintin Mikell and Stewart Bradley? You don’t think the departure of these established, respected and tough veterans has anything to do with the defensive decline over the past 3 years?
If these players were missed at all (and I would say Dawk was missed in ’09, Brown in ’10, and Mikell currently), it wasn’t because of their leadership qualities, it was because their replacements sucked.
Caused a deep rift after the team wouldn’t give him the money he deserved. And absolutely he deserved the money, do you realize how dominant he was? He was the absolute most dominant offensive player to ever wear the Midnight Green. In 21 games he had 124 receptions, 1963 yards and 20 TDs. That’s 5.9 catches per game, 93 yards per game and .95 touchdowns per game. Do you realize how good that is? Those numbers over the course of his career would be the best of all time. Those are all time numbers. Should’ve paid him.
He tried to back out of a seven-year, $50M deal (remember, this was good money not long ago) after one year. He alienated key players. What is hard to understand?
I dont get it – you laud the Broncos for chemistry and then say this without thinking about how TO affected the locker room.
I brought up Lito because he is a perfect example of what this team does to guys. He can’t come to terms with the franchise on an extension so they try and ship him out and when their asking price is too high, they sit him on the bench, replace him with someone else and diminish their value.
Sheppard’s value was diminishing anyway. He’d missed 14 games the prior 3 seasons and his numbers had dropped precipitously in 2007 due to injuries. It’s somewhat comparable to Steve Smith’s situation. The Eagles tried to do the same thing they are doing now – have 3 very good CBs – but Sheppard fell back early and didn’t make an impact. It didn’t have as much to do with contract dealings as it did with having an undersized guy have his injuries catch up to him. Can’t totally fault Banner/Heckert for trying to make that work either.
If you want to blame the FO for these specific instances then that’s your prerogative but there are plenty of players with contract issues who come out and perform. Heck, Terrell Owens was on pace to exceed his stellar ‘04 numbers in ’05. It’s mental and if players can’t separate off-field distractions from on-field play then the problem tends to lie mostly with them.
Again, neither of us know what goes on with players.
Did I say the Broncos were a steady organization? No, I said they’re paying their veterans and it shows on the field when the team is playing tough, smart and team football.
So when the Broncos veterans play well, the whole team plays well. Another radical concept! (Note: this is true for any team in any sport, ever.)
Look, we’re just gonna have to agree to disagree. I don’t want to waste more time with this and I’ve already wasted enough time with this reply.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by alcatraz0109 on Nov 20, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Skadoosh!
If you are going through hell, keep going-Churchill
I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7
Wait what?
This is a big mess, last year was an anomaly.
2006- 10-6
2007- 8-8
2008 9-7
2009 11-5
2010 10-6

You are smarter than this Djack. Are you being sensationalist on purpose?
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
I do know what that means. Look at 2009 and 2010, what happened between those years? We rebuilt and there was almost no drop in play, now Michael Vick and a bunch of the young players have regressed. Thus it would appear that 2010 is an anomaly.
The Curse of Lombardi
#TeamFireAndyReid
"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
How? That record doesnt look out of place in that line up.
our probable record for this year will though. We are normally around 10 wins. GASP 10 wins in 2010 seems like something is around the norm. Second GASP you mean that isnt an anomaly?! Well fuck me sideways
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
Great Write (ONE OF THE BEST I'VE READ ON THIS SIGHT) BUT...
Fire Howie Roseman? FUNNY, not one Eagle fan siad this when he “GREW A PAIR” and signed what we thought were ALL the good FA. Dont forget he tried to steal Doug Free from Dallas and tried to sign Sproles. We ALL wanted Namdi, DRC AND a second rounder for Kolb is still a GREAT DEAL (Kolb SUCKS). I, even at the time wanted Edwards over Babin though. We could have went after Tullock a little more aggressive and two rookie kickers is never a good thing. Besides that I LIKE HOWIE.
FORE ANDY REID. FIRE ANDY REID. FIRE ANDY REID!!!!!!!!!!
GIVE SHADY THE FUCKING BALL!!!!!!
Joe Banner and Howie Roseman are dehumanizing the players and penny pinching on contracts
I have been saying this all along. Fuck those assholes. And fire andy reid.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
Don't be so negative
It’s good that you’re finally waking up to this fact about the Eagles, but this is old news, but better late then never D Jackfan. I still say that you gotta keep your head in the game, we do have a game coming up against the Giants, this can wait till the off season. My focus is on this next game, until this team is officially eliminated, I’d stay away from all this talk. I know you’ve had an epiphany recently and feel like sharing it, but there are still games to be played. Even if they lose this week, during the season, as long as the players don’t quit, the focus should be on the games. But like the passion, just direct it towards the actual upcoming game. What are your thoughts on the Giants game coming up ??
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
Brain: We get smashed
Gut: I got roasted the last time I gave up so probably a win since the football gods are cruel.
The Curse of Lombardi
#TeamFireAndyReid
"Stats are for fantasy and losers. Winning is an attitude."
I know, I’m thinking the same thing, they have been really unpredictable this year in regards to their wins and losses. It really depends on which team shows up, the good Eagles or the bad Eagles, if the good Eagles show up then this should be a win, but if they’re still playing without heart and focus then it’s all over, but I think they rebound this week with a nice win with Vince Young starting (as of now), let the Vince Young for starter talk begin if he somehow manages to play a good game… The offense should be okay, it really depends on the defense and the genius (or lack thereof) of Castillo. I can’t bear to watch another game with cb’s looking lost, but at least we’ll have an actual slot corner playing the position this week, that’ll be refreshing, and the Giants are without Bradshaw, this should be a win if the Eagles can manage not to shoot themselves in the balls again….
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 19, 2011 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
lol
Just a few months ago everyone was gonna give a round of blow jobs to the FO
I'M GONNA TRIP BALLS!!! -Frank Reynolds
by Mapost1 on Nov 19, 2011 4:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Thats what im saying...
I was first in line, hahaha. How could anyone really want to fire Howie? The guy makes moves, its not HIS fault the coaches are putting the players in the wrong position, not HIS fault we lead the league in missed tackles or dropped balls. Its not HIS fault Vick looks like a shell of himself from last year. Its not HIS fault we lead the league in 4th quarter collapses(PERIOD)
by ProfileEnt on Nov 19, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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This post is so assuming it makes me sick. The broncos are doing this with smoke and mirrors. Give me a break. Sometimes there are not great explanations for a team underachieving in sports. This is one of those instances. I sure wish we could stop all the speculating and opinions based on very little and realize this is the case.
by PhilsForever on Nov 19, 2011 7:23 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Can I say it? I'll say it.
I miss Donovan, and Tra, and Brian, and Jon, and Brian, and Sheldon, and Jeremiah, and the wide receiving corps that shall remain nameless mostly because it was nameless.
Most of all, though, I miss Jim. I honestly believe we’re 7-2 if Jim is around, and maybe 6-3 or 5-4 if we had a competent replacement for him. But we don’t. Instead, we have a defense that hemorrhages yards and points in the second half, and an offensive coordinator that still hasn’t decoded that damned Pandora’s Box that tells one how to run the damn ball.
Donovan ?? And his receivers ??
Agree with the rest though… what you’re saying is that this team is missing heart and grit that those players had.
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 20, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
Our 2004 team?
We’d be 8-1 and winning the NFC East
Formerly number5
RIP JJ
by HawaiianGreen on Nov 20, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
It's the general sentiment of the team core
But, yes, I do miss Donovan. He’s the starter on my all-time Eagles squad until further notice.
And, unfortunately, that notice appears to be a ways away.
Yeah, this team hasn’t had enough time to build a team core, it’s more like hired hands, and I also think the players have caught on to how the Eagles handle business and there’s not as much loyalty towards the team after seeing how cut throat they are in the business aspect of things… I think there’s so many issues that contribute to our current problems… but winning cures everything, if they can win the next 2 then everything will change all of a sudden….
We're playing all our games on the road this year.
- Jason Avant
by Eagladelphia on Nov 20, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Paper talent means shit. SHIT
This blog disgusts me sometimes. It doesn’t matter how “inferior” people think other teams are. How many times do I have to read that the Bears are so overrated, only to have them humiliate us?. Face it: other teams believe they can win, they want to try, they aren’t taking victories for granted just because they line up. They actually want to make an effort when it counts. We don’t. As far as Denver goes, Tebow makes them believe they can win. Vick can’t (at least this year). Stop believing in our myth. It ain’t real. It takes more than talent to win.
by DLawrence55 on Nov 20, 2011 3:29 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
this season is an anomaly
The Eagles have a better record than the Broncos over the span of Reid’s tenure, including each of the past five seasons. If you want to explain why the Broncos have a better record at this point in this season, it might be better to focus on issues that are unique to this season.
Regardless of what the Broncos are doing, the Eagles currently have a lower winning percentage than any full season in Reid’s career. So again it might be better to focus on why this season is different.
I'll be content with firing Juan and getting a legit D Coord.
It’s so sad that the Eagles are now being compared with a bottom feeder like the Broncos
This was an interesting read
A few thoughts of my own:
1- It isn’t very practical to compare two teams as there are far too many variables that are outside of being controlled to allow for a proper examination. It may be fun converation, but it can’t amount to anything more than that.
2- I can see valid points on both sides of the discussion that went on earlier in the thread, and I disagree with some as well. (Not going to regurgitate any of these)
3- The only change I really want to see made this offseason, is to bring in a legitimate DC and defensive staff, including a new DL coach. The offensive playmakers are set and the OL really just needs to become more cohesive unit and I think they will be fine. Running the ball more will also help.
TO is the greatest offensive player to ever wear green. What the fuck are u smokin. Sharing that bad crack on an aids infested pipe with EvilBanner. If you read this and don’t like the Eagles so much, why don’t you just remove yourself from this site and go suck “Romo the Homo” dick and see how good you feel. No one should post anything close to that if they were a fan. If this was my site you’d be gone.

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