The Linc: Good News, Vince Young Has Been Studying!
by JasonB on Nov 17, 2011 6:00 AM EST
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Vince Young allowed today that "it's been tough" adjusting to a backup role the past few months, but he said he has worked hard "behind the scenes" to get comfortable in the Eagles' offense.
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"The fact that his job should be in question after doing everything that he’s done for this team, this organization, this city is troubling but we know that’s the type of business we’re in," safety Kurt Coleman said. "All of our jobs are on the line every week. The best thing we can do is go out there and play with our hearts."
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"Well, we’re going to go out there and prepare like we do every week." Avant said "We just have to go out there and execute, wide receivers and tight ends, and help whoever’s back there with our o-line and other people. So we have to go out and, no matter who’s there, play the best we can for them."
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Tom Coughlin insisted the Eagles "are better than they were the last time we played them" and he scoffed at the notion that they were anywhere near done. "I don’t believe that at all," Coughlin said. "I don’t look at it that way. They’re very, very formidable. They have great pride. They’re playing to win. They’re talented. They’d like nothing more than to beat us. We’d like nothing more than to beat them."
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I’m telling Ed that you linked to something Giants related.
by JimmyK on Nov 17, 2011 6:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions
They’re very, very formidable. They have great pride. They’re playing to win.
LOL
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
Nnamdi, Asante, DRC; The Three Graces...charm, beauty, and creativity.
The 2011 Philadelphia Eagles:
"EXPECT NOTHING AND ACCEPT EVERYTHING AND YOU WILL NEVER BE DISAPPOINTED."
I bet they do this week.
These two teams hate each other for the most part. That’s what makes it so fun.
And either the Giants or the Boys can make it out of the first round of the playoffs.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 23 PHI 21
By working hard "behind the scenes"
does he mean trying to memorise how to line up in a Shotgun formation?
by Cornelius Cruys on Nov 17, 2011 7:27 AM EST reply actions
no
He means practicing looking at shady so he can tell him where to lineup…..duh!!!
by VRFC8 on Nov 17, 2011 8:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
How to bring coffee to a team meeting
I got a GIF for that!
by Fester McDougal on Nov 17, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
lol WTF
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Nov 17, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
FYI He Has a Choice to Line Up in the Shotgun Or Not
It’s cool to clown if you want, just want you guys to have the facts. See link below Andy Reid says “That play we can do from either gun or from under,” Reid said. “He chose to go from the gun there.”
Standing behind Reid
We’ll have to take their word for that. It’s not like you could seem them.
The coaches are to blame, the players are to blame. Sorry to say, but Andy has lost this team. 53 super talented individuals with no heart.
by oldasquick on Nov 17, 2011 7:35 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Thought experiment
Let’s say Young plays as well as Vick did last year when Vick came in for Kolb. Let’s say Vick has to sit for a few games to heal, and Voung plays us back into NFC East contention. When Vick comes back, the Eagles are just a game out with 3 to play. Would you play Vick or Young?
"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca
Based on recent history, they’ve played the hot hand. Obviously, Vick just signed the big contract, but Reid knows he has to play for right now to save his job.
by JimmyK on Nov 17, 2011 8:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
IF they
Win with Vince it won’t be the way Andy likes winning. He like winning by being smarter and with the pretty passing schemes. You win ugly w VY, improvising, grinding it out. He could string together 2-3 wins but it won’t look like anything we are used to seeing lol If VY starts and Andy throws it 30+ times does anyone doubt what the outcome will be?
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by ProtoTyler on Nov 17, 2011 8:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe you didn’t understand my proposal. Let’s assume that Young has looked like a very poor throwing QB not because he is, but because he’s had bad coaching. This is certainly how we think of Vick now – 2 years ago everyone thought he was a poor passer but now everyone thinks he’s a good one in the right system. Let’s just assume for a moment that Young undergoes a similar transformation under Reid’s guidance as Vick has. I do not think this is an unreasonable proposition.
If Young gets 2-3 weeks to play, and if he plays as well as Vick did last year when he stepped in for Kolb, and if the Eagles play into contention for the NFC East as a result, what happens then?
"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca
I get what you are saying. but I still think they go back to Vick b/c Vick’s bad habit’s sprung more out of laziness/complacency in ATL. By most accounts from Mack Brown thru Jeff Fisher VY can’t run a normal pro style offense, and usually only plays well when they let him “just play”. I’m not sure AR could live with that.
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That was not the perception of Vick 2 years ago. In 2 years, we may have a different perception of Young, as well…
"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca
I don't know
The perception of Vince really isn’t that he was lazy, it was more that he can’t pick it up
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You're Full Of It
Mack Brown never said he couldn’t grasp the offense. Actually, Fisher didn’t either
Whether he could grasp the offense or not
He certainly didn’t take to Mack Brown trying to coach him. Brown has fully admitted that. Young was not that coachable at Texas
I didn’t say anything was bad. I think saying something akin to Vince is better when he can freelance speaks for itself.
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by ProtoTyler on Nov 17, 2011 7:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
you should probably can it if you don't know what you're talking about.
mack brown doesn’t and didn’t “coach” anyone on anything intricate. least of all that 05 team.
thank you
all the VY haters JasonB as one of them you can say all the nasty things about VY but when someone stand up to you then you want ban them from coming on the site what a JOKE!!!!!!
by letsthegamesbegan on Nov 17, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Punctuation.
It’s your friend.
Even cats bleed Eagle green. . .
by The11thLetter on Nov 17, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
what did you just say ?
are you kidding me ?
Voung plays us back into NFC East contention.
It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.
the day we only score 3 points with this offense, is the day ill give everyone a dollar haha
by bleedgreen89 on Sep 16, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
by JJeaglerooter on Nov 17, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I'm pretty disgusted with everyone calling for Andy's head.
Obviously this is a down year. But we’ve had far more good years under Reid. The major argument against that is that it was all because of Jim Johnson.
…who is a guy that Andy brought in. He gets blamed for Castillo, but doesn’t get credit for JJ. What. The. Fuck.
But whatever Eagles fandom, let’s drive the perenniel-playoff-contender head coach out of town since he didn’t win it all yet. Let’s just go get someone better from the head coach store, since they’re so easy to come by.
Awesome.
I'd counter your argument with...
What has he shown over the last 13 years that’s makes you think he I’d capable if making the adjustments needed to get over the hump? We would more likely that not be 5-4 right now and playing for a share of 1st if Shady hadn’t been given only 4 total touches in the last 2 4th Q. It’s his inability to adjust dude. Make that one adjustment and the season is completely different. Unfortunately it’s not anything new.
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by ProtoTyler on Nov 17, 2011 8:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
okay...
Who are we going to go out and get that’s going to be better? I was being sarcastic with the “head coach store” line. Look, if Belichick wants to come here, or a legendary coach wants to come out of retirement, that’d be great. But it aint happening. Who the hell are we going to get who’s going to be better than Reid.
It’s like when we got McNabb instead of Ricky. Everyone boo’d and whined about what a bad decision it was. Then we found out that McNabb was the shit, and that Ricky would rather go to Canada instead of pissing clean and playing in the NFL. The fanbase seems to always know what’s right, even when it’s wrong.
Who the hell are we going to get who’s going to be better than Reid.
How do you determine who is and is not a good coach? Because it sounds to me like you are looking at just a coaches history. And ignoring coaches who haven’t been around as long but have produced good results. Look at what Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton have done in the time they have been with their teams. Or Jim Harbaugh this year.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Or Jason Garrett. Jim Schwartz. Mike Smith. Mike Tomlin. All fairly new, all enjoying some level of early success, or drastic positive turnarounds.
Whether he ends up being great or terrible or just average, a new coach would bring new ideas, new ways of preparation, a new mentality, and the loss of Reid would show that’s there’s truly accountability at the HC spot for failure. The next coach doesn’t have to be Reid +1, he just has to be different. If for no other reason than to clean out the stale air and get some perspective.
Obviously this is a down year. But we’ve had far more good years under Reid.
Not lately.
Just some numbers to chew on. Divided by Pre and Post Super Bowl years.
1999-2004
64 wins
32 loses
.666 winning %
7-5 in the playoffs
.583 winning %
6 seasons
1 missed playoff year. Andy’s first year in 1999.
2005-Present
57 wins
47 loses
.548 winning %
3-4 in the playoffs
.428 winning % in the playoffs
6+ seasons
2 years of missing the playoffs, soon to be 3.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
you're right
going to the playoffs every year, winning division titles, superbowl berths…
they mean nothing.
I read it.
It’s the same pandering bullshit that keeps getting spouted off. You only put in the numbers that support your argument. “6+ seasons” was a nice little gloss over.
How is 6+ seasons a gloss over? I am including this year. If you want I can take it out.
Not including this year.
54 wins
41 loses
.568 winning %
Still not as good as Pre Super Bowl, and they still aren’t going to the playoffs.
That make you feel better?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I’m also not full bore on the fire Andy thing, but MM/AR are enablers of pass wackiness. We won 2 divisional games riding the run game and it probably disgusted them to the point where they knew they would try to win pass wacky or kill the season trying. Season killed
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by ProtoTyler on Nov 17, 2011 8:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They sure aren’t “playoff contenders” this year. In fact, not only are they not playoff contenders, they’re the dumbest team in football. And it’s not even close. Totally undisciplined. Ridiculous decision making. Just a disaster week after week, losing to teams that don’t have a fraction of the talent this team has. Out-coached.
They’re 3-6. They haven’t won a playoff game since 2008. Those 3 consecutive NFC Championship game appearances were almost a decade ago.
People fear change. It’s understandable. You look around the league, and say “I don’t want to be the Rams.”
I haven’t made up my mind yet if Reid should stay or go. Leaning toward “go,” but I’d like to see how his players play for his the rest of the way before I’m sold that that is the way to go.
All I know is that you probably shouldn’t be “disgusted” with the folks that want change. I can see merit to both sides, but there is certainly more than ample reason to be a little tired of the current regime.
but I’d like to see how his players play for his the rest of the way before I’m sold that that is the way to go.
This scares me a bit. I certainly wouldn’t have a problem if the guys rallied around Andy because losing sucks but at the same point if you aren’t going to make the playoffs then you might as well be totally horrible and get the highest draft pick you can.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Points taken.
Coaching hasn’t looked too good. But the players have their heads up their asses at some of the most inopportune times. Dropped balls, turnovers, pussy-ass tackling. Those things aren’t coached, those are on the players.
They are part of the culture of losing in Philly this year, and might fall under the heading of, “When it rains it pours.”
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
NYG 23 PHI 21
"They sure aren’t "playoff contenders" this year."
It’s that statement that pisses me off. We have bad year and suddenly everyone’s up in arms. It seems like this is a lot of people’s first year watching football. Teams have down years. QBs have bad games.
Putting together an all-star cast that doesn’t quite gel and doesn’t win it all like they “should” is actually pretty common.
“They sure aren’t “playoff contenders” this year."
This is a factually accurate statement. So why does that piss you off?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
because being bad this year
doesn’t mean you throw a tantrum and fire the head coach.
And what you are completely ignoring is that it’s not just this year. The team is getting worse. Look at how the team finished last year and how they started this year.
6-11 in their last 17 games.
1-7 in their last 8 home games.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
and what you are completely ignoring
is that we can’t just go out and get someone who’s better.
Saying that the team is getting worse during a transition phase where they’ve changed out a fading QB and RB is myopic. (Reid’s picked pretty damn good replacements if you ask me).
This wasn’t supposed to be a transition year, it was supposed to be the year.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
by EREX21 on Nov 17, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
last year was supposed to be a transition year.
Kolb was going to pop his cherry, and a bunch of young guys would learn the ropes, then Vick happened. This year a bunch of experienced talent was brought in to deal with the fact that the team was far more competitive than planned. This backfired. Now we have the young talent learning to play together again. Get used to winning, fill in some pieces in the draft, and next year should be amazing. If that fails, then Andy should be gone.
It seems that the only one throwing s tantrum…is you.
by Septhinox on Nov 17, 2011 1:55 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Putting together an all-star cast that doesn’t quite gel and doesn’t win it all like they "should" is actually pretty common.
Please provide examples of this.
The most common one recently, would be the Heat. And they made it to the finals. Which means, they had a winning record and went to the playoffs. Something the Eagles haven’t and won’t do this year.
There is a difference between an “All Star cast” not gelling and not being dominate like people thought, and an “All Star cast” that is 3-6 and looks like the most undisciplined and clueless team in the league.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
nah
if you don’t know the facts, I’m not going to research them for you.
think what you want to think.
That’s a rather ironic statement coming from the guy who has so far provided no facts at all to support anything he has said.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Why even bother responding to smeagle..maybe I should take my own advice.
If you’re going to make an argument, provide facts instead of treating us like we’re a bunch of ignoramus’ whom are out to get Andy Reid. Anyone whom has played football at the high school level or even a college sport would know that when you are on a streak, you don’t make a complete 180 and go back to what WAS NOT WORKING when you were struggling.
Andy has done great things with this team and he will always have a soft spot for taking my bottom dweller Eagles (I was not old enough to remember Buddy’s teams) to the Super Bowl, but I CANNOT fathom the horrific play calling, the same way I could not tolerate Donovan McNabb complaining that we booed him because he was black and not becuase he threw 5 yard passes into the ground like our punter.
+1
Smeagle is gay for frodo. And I love ar but this team is a mess and has no accountability. Page should have been cut after he was benched, drc and asante should have been benched after the bears game, and he should never have stopped giving shady the ball after we rattled off two straight wins. If he didn’t want to give it to shady 25 plus times increase Lewis’s carries just run the damn ball!!!!!
by VRFC8 on Nov 17, 2011 9:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was going to write about soccer to counter this
but then the two teams here in the UK that did this recently were at least challenging and showed a marked improvement after their spending spree. That one of them won the title the next year and the other is sitting top of the league gives me hope that, with more time, it should be better next year.
But then, you can’t factor for boneheadedness/bewildering coaching decisions, and it was only when Chelsea changed their manager/coaching staff and took on a new approach that they won.
by Cornelius Cruys on Nov 17, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
The heat would not have made it if their season was only 16 games. Your comparison makes no sense. Keep andy till his contract is up!
by andlee87 on Nov 17, 2011 10:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So what your saying is
It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.
the day we only score 3 points with this offense, is the day ill give everyone a dollar haha
by bleedgreen89 on Sep 16, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
by JJeaglerooter on Nov 17, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
The reason you guys need to get rid of Reid,
isn’t because he’s a bad coach. He’s actually a very good coach. However he does NOT know how to coach this current team and you have a very small window with the pieces you have in place to win a superbowl. Do you think if Reid became available on the market that the Minnesota Vikings would take him as their first choice? Maybe, but it would be a HUGE mistake, because he wouldn’t give the ball to their best player. It’s just not his philosophy to run the ball, ESPECIALLY if you don’t have the lead(even if your down by 3 in the first Q). Currently the Eagles best player is a RB, which makes Reid a TERRIBLE fit as head coach.
"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 17, 2011 10:23 AM EST reply actions
I’ll assume he’s talking about all of our new over 30 additions.
Fly Eagles Fly, on the road to Vicktory!
by KeepSwinging on Nov 17, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yes I was.
The team to me is very talented but you’re over 30’s aren’t just some guys, like they are on many other teams, you’re over 30’s in quite a few places are important pieces to a championship run, which I’m assuming is the goal.
"...has been timed at 4.39 in the 40-yard dash, and owning a 40.5-inch vertical jump and a 440-pound max bench press, 605-pound squat and a power-clean of 374 pounds." Could you imagine what it would be like to have somone like this on your team???? Oh we do??? His name is Bruce Carter??? Hmmmm....... interesting.
by Feeling Blue & Silver on Nov 17, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Babin, pro-bowl?
Is there such a thing as a pro-bowl selection for doing half your job really well?
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Nov 17, 2011 11:20 AM EST reply actions
yup
Jared Allen, Dwight Freeny, hell we clowned Demarcus Ware in the Run game. those guys are pro bowl regulars
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Eh to be fair to Ware
He’s really the only player in that front seven (Sean Lee is hurt right now) who is really doing anything. So expecting him to be the pass rushing specialist, run stopper, coverage guy, a long with being a leader of that part of the team is outlandish.
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I’d be perfectly fine if he was none of those. He’s an awesome pass rusher. I only mentioned him bc of how back he looked against us vs the run
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by ProtoTyler on Nov 17, 2011 7:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Something I noticed
Notice that the two players who they asked in the Eagles standing behind Reid article were Coleman and Graham. Two players Reid drafted and they are only in their second year. I think it was a little bit obvious (especially since its the media) that they were gonna say they supported Reid.
No veterans answered that question though. Wonder what they are thinking.
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