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PFF: Michael Vick Is Playing At A Pro Bowl Level

With the Eagles at 2-4 and Michael Vick tossing 8 picks already this season, it may seem controversial to claim that Michael Vick has been one of the three best QBs in the NFC so far this season. But Pro Football Focus says that going by the numbers, it's pretty clear how good Vick has been.

Now, I'd strongly encourage you to check out the full article, but the part I wanted to highlight here was their breakdown of each of Vick's picks this season. I've been saying every week that's he's been the victim of the worst luck as far as INTs go that I've ever seen.

Pick No. 1, vs ATL - Vick faces an unblocked rusher and makes an ill-advised decision to throw over the middle. The pass was actually dropped by Kelvin Hayden but Reid failed to challenge.

Pick No. 2, vs NYG - Vick buys time and throws to an open Steve Smith across the middle who drops the ball ... into the arms of Aaron Ross.

Pick No. 3, vs SF - Vick throws deep where a battle for the ball between Desean Jackson and Carlos Rogers results in a win for the defense.

Pick No. 4, vs BUF - Vick fakes a wide receiver screen right then throws back on a RB screen, the ball is tipped in the air and intercepted by Reggie Corner.

Pick No. 5, vs BUF - The Bills get a great rush and hit Vick as he throws, the ball spirals into the air and is caught by George Wilson.

Pick No. 6, vs BUF - Vick has pressure from his blindside but forces a ball over the middle which is picked by Nick Barnett and returned for a touchdown.

Pick No. 7, vs BUF - Vick rolls left and throws a strike on third down to Avant who can't catch it cleanly, the ball hits his receiver twice before it is intercepted by Barnett again.

Pick No. 8, vs WAS - Vick throws quickly over the middle against an all-out blitz, the pass is tipped high into the air and caught by OJ Atogwe.

As you can see, the INT he threw that he was most at fault for was the one against Atlanta, which actually wasn't even caught. Really, just three of these picks you can say Vick is fully at fault for.

So if we're looking for positives out of this, it's simply that eventually things will even out. Not every tipped pass will get picked this year like it has so far. Jason Avant isn't going to get balls ripped out of his hands often. They feel typical and normal this year, but in reality these things are pretty rare so we should less going forward.

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He really has

Vick’s been playing very well so far this season. It’s a testament to our un-clutchiness and our morbid second half offense/defense combination that we’re somehow 2-4 in the face of Vick’s (and McCoy’s) play.

by cwel87 on Oct 29, 2011 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

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by Mapost1 on Oct 29, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That picture looks like Vick is about to lay out Andy Reid

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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 29, 2011 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Just saw the caption. I see you agree, haha

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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 29, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Total agreement

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Oct 29, 2011 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

why are there so many hilarious pics of him.....jeez....

tho I do want to mention that Eli was mentioned in that PFF article in a very positive light as well

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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 29, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t understand all the jokes either. Eli has been mutilating our D the last few games.

by MikeCampy on Oct 29, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eli’s having a very good year. He’s just goofy looking.

by groot on Oct 29, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is the truth

Howard Eskin still thinks Eli Manning is a fraud, but who cares what he thinks?

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 29, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to see his stats when there is an empty backfield...

I think he threw alot of picks when there were no backs in the backfield blocking. I know he’s thrown at least two out of an empty set.

by eaglemaniac814 on Oct 29, 2011 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with the premise that these picks aren’t all Vick’s fault, but this rubs me the wrong way:

As you can see, the INT he threw that he was most at fault for was the one against Atlanta, which actually wasn’t even caught. Really, just three of these picks you can say Vick is fully at fault for.

I understand there were circumstances beyond his control that led to some of the picks, but Vick is still “fully at fault” for all but two: the ones that came off his receivers’ hands. It’s the quarterback’s job to cope with the pass rush and either a) get the ball out before he gets hit, or b) not make a panicky throw. Maybe he could have been protected better on a few of these, maybe the coaches didn’t do him any favors on one or two, but the bulk of the blame ultimately rests on Vick because he still made a bad decision with the football.

The pick against ATL? Still a bad throw. The one where he gets hit against BUF? Could’ve had the ball out sooner. The one where he is pressured up the middle in the same game? Just a terrible decision. Tipped pass at WAS? Seems to happen to him a lot. Fight for the ball against SF? Underthrown. The only other play I give him more of a break on is the screen, because it was unfortunate and/or might have been a poorly designed play.

by Kulp on Oct 29, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

tipped passes aren’t his fault either, up to the o-line to keep the hands down.

by Rhayes on Oct 29, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not true. OLinemen can’t pin down defenders’ arms… It’s up to Vick to not throw the ball so low or to find an open lane.

by Caperi on Oct 29, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and I mean I’ll give the defender some credit here, he made a really good play, but Vick’s balls are getting tipped at the line with some frequency, so interceptions are bound to happen sooner or later.

by Kulp on Oct 29, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vick's balls are getting tipped at the line?

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 29, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

if Kyle Orton doesn’t get a free pass for being 6’4" and having lots of deflected passes, Vick, being shorter, shouldn’t get that benefit of the doubt either. Throw better balls, you’re getting paid bonzo bucks

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 29, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes it is their job. If they engage the lineman well, they can’t put their hands up.

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by bdawk4ever on Oct 30, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

totally agree with this assessment

Any quarterback, Vick, Romo, any one of them, has the final decision whether to release the ball or not. If the quarterback throws the ball off target and it is tipped, he’s still owns some of the responsibility on the play.

I found it funny how an offensive line can ever be at fault for the interception. And tipped passes from the d-lineman are undoubtedly the QB’s fault. Again, I feel this way about any interception, by any QB. Ours included.

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by KD Drummond on Oct 30, 2011 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

great article.

it is nice to see someone cut through the pundit sheep herd bullshit.
giants talk radio today discussing who to root for sunday night after the giants dispose of the dolphins. they know they aren’t safe yet. if dallas wins, philly is out. dallas will only be a game back. if philly wins, they still have to contend with both dallas and philly. they know they can’t beat philly with vick playing. they know they have a brutal schedule coming their way. they aren’t so sure about the dolphin game either. they know it is a trap game. trap games suck. they are counting their money as they look over their shoulder.

by andyfrombrooklyn on Oct 29, 2011 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

if you don't play well

the Dolphins might get you, they’ve played most of their games close

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 29, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure

the Giants were winning when Vick was in the game. Just sayin’.

Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away.

by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 29, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

Score was 16-14 Eagles when Vick went out, beginning of the 4th quarter. Giants scored on the subsequent drive.

by phi7 on Oct 30, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fair point

although the Giants did have a lead while Vick was in the game. But you act like Vick pulled a hammy running untouched through the defense. He went out because he got beat to hell and beyond. Taking him out of the game is a credit to the Giants, and was a piece of their win, not an abstract event that happened on it’s own.

Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away.

by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 30, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

they know they can't beat philly with vick playing?

sorry, but I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what happened in week 2

by baadfish on Oct 30, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

research is hard. there is so much info out there.

Nope
Score was 16-14 Eagles when Vick went out, beginning of the 4th quarter. Giants scored on the subsequent drive.

by phi7 on Oct 29, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions

by andyfrombrooklyn on Oct 30, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh.

As Kulp said above, you can’t fault the O-line for picks, and you can’t really fault playcalling either. I’d say 6 of those picks were Vick’s fault. Regardless, the logic is still fuzzy; you could probably do something similar for at least half the QBs in the league and find that they weren’t at fault for a couple of their INTs.

Vick has been playing well overall but he needs some more consistency. The Eagles wouldn’t have been in some of the holes they found themselves in if Vick didn’t throw all the picks and have all those fumbles in the early going. I have faith that he’ll be able to get it together, but before the Washington game it hadn’t yet happened.

by Caperi on Oct 29, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

No only 1 maybe 2 were his fault. It was either the o line or his receivers.

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Flyers: Good start
Phillies: Sigh

by bdawk4ever on Oct 30, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

OT- Is Trent Cole playing tomorrow?

by The Pied Piper on Oct 29, 2011 5:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes and so is Peters.

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by ForTheLove on Oct 29, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any decision on Graham yet ?

It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.

the day we only score 3 points with this offense, is the day ill give everyone a dollar haha
by bleedgreen89 on Sep 16, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions

by JJeaglerooter on Oct 29, 2011 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

He's a no-go

Jarrad page is still on the roster. I’d have liked to see him get to come back vs. the team he got injured against, but it’s probably for the best that he get more time to prepare.

by phi7 on Oct 29, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

word

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by Mapost1 on Oct 29, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by DiegoKing on Oct 29, 2011 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Seriously. What the fuck is this? MySpace?

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by packimop on Oct 29, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

J-Lo's not what she used to be

I need another Latina hottie

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 29, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the Fiat. And your picture isn’t working for me. lol.

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by AnthroEagle on Oct 29, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, she is 42 years old.

How about? Elena Diaz

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by BIBTD on Oct 29, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice cans.

Mexi-cans?

Oh boy, is this great!

by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Oct 29, 2011 9:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

TRULY FUNNY

I actually lol’d this…

I hope I am wrong, but Kolb is a four-letter word.

by Cowboy KILLER on Oct 29, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any photos showing her Twatemala?

Oh boy, is this great!

by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Oct 30, 2011 10:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

This photoshoot was supposed to be full-frontal, but it was too Chile.

by kphealey on Oct 30, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

A pro bowl quarterback finds a way to win these close games. Starting this weekend. 8 and 2 the rest of the way.

Oh boy, is this great!

by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Oct 29, 2011 8:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

13-0 rest of the year.

SB win included….

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by Cowboy KILLER on Oct 29, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

A quarterback is having Pro Bowl numbers

but is plagued by a preponderance of interceptions, many of which are on bounces that land in the defenders’ arms instead of the ground. Instead of focusing on his impressive positive numebrs, the INTs dominate the discussion. This sounds so familiar for some reason. I’m hoping Vick throws at least 20 INTs so that for the rest of his career any mouthbreather can ignore every season but this one and say “Look at all those picks! He’s obviously a turnover machine!”.

Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away.

by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 29, 2011 9:37 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL. Sounds very familiar.

by jjhh05 on Oct 29, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

That won’t change who your QB is. Eli is still the reason that Archie buys condoms when he goes to pick up his Viagra.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Oct 29, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't want my QB to change

I’ll take four straight games over 100 passer rating and 13 TDs to 5 picks. Oh, and a two game lead AND the tiebreaker.

Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away.

by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 30, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

well at least he doesnt slide face first into the turf and fumble the ball for no reason.

The Jruth shall be told.

by packimop on Oct 29, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your comment and KByars’ seem to match each other in a strange way…

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by AnthroEagle on Oct 30, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's got plenty of fumbles

of his own to worry about.

Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away.

by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 30, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except Eli didn’t deserve that Pro bowl.

He’s just a mediocre QB

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Flyers: Good start
Phillies: Sigh

by bdawk4ever on Oct 30, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

if mediocre means top 8 in every single meaningful passing category while almost carrying his team to first place in the conference. If that is what you meant, then you are correct.

Victor Cruz is the 2011 Ahmad Bradshaw. He giveth, and he taketh away.

by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 30, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about the fumbles?

Kind of curious if you could break down his fumbles this season. They seem to be a little more careless. He has 6 fumbles this season already.

by CowboyWay on Oct 29, 2011 10:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I don't care

If he doesn’t win who cares. Let’s see a fourth quarter comeback. Hey I don’t care if he plays terribly as long as eagles win. We are 1 loss from nearly having nothing to play for this year. Win baby win.

by Mtn-Green on Oct 29, 2011 11:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

point is, all picks are not the same

i watched a lot of carson palmer last year. those were killer picks. punch yourself in the face dumbass picks.

by andyfrombrooklyn on Oct 30, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Duh

I’ve been saying for awhile now that most of these picks arent Vicks fault. I even said it during the Bills game and Kbyers stupidly argued with me.

Its clear to anybody watching the game. And it will turn around.

Eagles: 2-4, Let's start the run!
Flyers: Good start
Phillies: Sigh

by bdawk4ever on Oct 30, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Since, you called me out. The QB’s decisions are on the QB you little twit.
Also, you still don’t seem to get that you’re making the same argument that Giants’ fans make for Eli.

AR should have to wear a Flava Flav necklace until he learns how to manage a fucking clock.
I am the proud target of temper tantrums.

by KByars on Oct 30, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

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