What Are Our Expectations For Brandon Graham This Season?
by JasonB on Oct 24, 2011 12:30 PM EDT
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Brandon Graham Good morning people!! I'm so happy to be back practicing
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That was was Brandon Graham's message on twitter this morning as the Eagles second year defensive end is set to come off the PUP list this week after undergoing knee surgery last season. When the Eagles traded up to take him at #13 in the 2010 draft, it was clear that Graham's development was going to be a key to the Eagles defense for the next several years. He certainly showed some flashes early last season, but tore his ACL in a week 14 game against the Cowboys and was lost for the season.
And finally this weekend, ironically against those same Cowboys, he could make his return. Graham has been somewhat of an afterthought after the summer of the lockout, the Eagles preseason spending spree and then the disappointment of the first six games of the season. But his return is no small event. at Michigan, Graham was one of the best defensive players in the country, a first team all American, MVP of the senior bowl and a guy many draftniks had him pegged as a possible rookie of the year candidate.
But all that said, how much can we expect him of this season? We know from experience that guys don't usually come flying out of the gate in their first few games back from a major knee injury. In fact, many never fully recover the following year. And for Graham, who had to have microfracture surgery to repair his damaged knee, the recovery time could be even greater. So is he likely to have a dramatic impact on the defense in the short term? Probably not, but would we see as a successful second half for the Eagles second year man?
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I think BG will be a force in Washburn's system.
Like you said he might not come flying out of the gates, but I can guarantee that next year, and possibly towards the later part of this season, he will be flying around the tackles with the likes of Babin and Cole.
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my expectations
Brandon graham is soo good that he will be deactivated most of the time .. and than be cut in two years .. worst pick since mcdougle
yes compare him to the first round pick who got shot and missed two seasons and didn’t come back the same
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by sports00fan00 on Oct 24, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well now you know JIBTA. He used to be the Iraqi Information Minister before he moved to Philly.
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i’ve known jibta for over 2.5 years, back before NPK came up with his nickname
I've been waiting my whole life for an Eagles Championship
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by sports00fan00 on Oct 24, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry
I always feel like i have to explain JIBTA when his wacky posts pop up.
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He’s certainly a good fit for the wide 9 with his speed and aggressiveness. I wouldn’t blame the Eagles if they wanted to put him on IR and just give him to to fully recover. We gave up a lot to get him and it’d be foolish to rush him back in when he plays a position that we’re fairly loaded at. Let him completely heal and give him a whole off-season to work with Washburn and he could be a monster next year.
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by KeepSwinging on Oct 24, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
give him the lb playbook !!
It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.
the day we only score 3 points with this offense, is the day ill give everyone a dollar haha
by bleedgreen89 on Sep 16, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
by JJeaglerooter on Oct 24, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
So who got the boot then?
Any word? If he practiced today, doesnt that mean we should know soon?
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Oct 24, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions
No one, yet.
The Eagles have 3 weeks to decide whether to activate him or put him on IR. If the Eagles activate him, then someone will get cut.
Hopefully Jarrad Page.
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Oct 24, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
cool thanks…i wasnt sure what the rules were there.
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Oct 24, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
My money is on Paige.
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by Spurs Yoda on Oct 24, 2011 12:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My money is on Paige.
Every time a Cowboy hates, an Eagle gets his wings.
by Spurs Yoda on Oct 24, 2011 12:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Babin and Parker got first team DE reps to start but Graham and Cole worked in too.
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Oct 24, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions
I hope Tapp isn’t left in cold. I’m a big Tapp fan.
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by Spurs Yoda on Oct 24, 2011 12:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tap would be ahead of Parker….one would think….unless “one” is Eagles management…
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Oct 24, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
bull shit
parker should be ahead of everyone not named cole .. tapp is average .. and graham sucks
They are all pretty much in the same category right now…. with Tapp and Graham having a higher ceiling….so…i dont really care who gets the reps, as long as they produce.
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Oct 24, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO...
Cole, Babin, Parker, Tapp, Graham … To be honest though, I feel very fortunate to have all those guys at DE!! It is a dream team of its own.
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by thePurpleLion on Oct 24, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Being that you aren’t allowed to tackle in practice anymore, I think it just puts him at higher risk of injury as you’ve seen with lots of players in the beginning of this season.
I’ve tore my MCL before and from personal experience, it really does take as long as everyone says to fully recover.
well
its been almost a year…. I think hes “taking his time” …. he’s been rehabbing I would think, close to every single day since he has been able to….
Did you do that? Hours upon hours with some of the best trainers in the world?
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Oct 24, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Oct 24, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Still was ridiculously painful though, including the rehab. Every time I hear about knee injuries, it makes me cringe
I know the feeling. Got the same shit done to my shoulder…. and youre right..these surgeries do take a lot of time to recover from. But it does vary from person to person.
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Oct 24, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn those HMO's
It's never easy being an Eagle fan........but I'll be damned if I ever stop.
the day we only score 3 points with this offense, is the day ill give everyone a dollar haha
by bleedgreen89 on Sep 16, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
by JJeaglerooter on Oct 24, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT?????
Microfracture surgery < MCL tear. MCL tear is WAYYYY worse than microfracture surgery.
Microfracture is the simplest of cartilage procedures and has a good track record in professional athletes. A small tool is used to place defects through the bone underlying an area of complete cartilage loss. This allows for regress of bone marrow into the defect creating a healing response with cartilage like properties.
Patients generally avoid weight bearing for two to four weeks but are encouraged to work on muscle strength and range-of-motion exercises. Total recovery can take four to six months depending on the desired degree of activity. MCL tear
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How lucky we all are. Microfracture surgery is considered iffy and very often the end of a career. What planet do you live on anyway?
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Graham also tore his ACL.
And MCL injuries are way way way less work to come back from than ACL and microfracture. MCL tears generally don’t require surgery at all. ACL recquries a full reconstruction and microfracture causes the rehab to be much longer as they break bones in order to stimulate new tissue to grow.
The procedure you’re thinking of is a simple cartilage repair, where the torn part is removed with a scope. Microfracture is a much more involved process and only actually performed by a handful of surgeons. MCL injuries aren’t that bad, ACL and microfracture is about as bad as you can get before you’re totally replacing a knee.
Sorry guy. Amare Stoudemire, Tracy McGrady, and Grant Hill all took more than 1 full year to get back to full strength after microfracture surgery. MCLs can heal on their own.
The Jruth shall be told.
It also pretty much ruined/helped ruin the careers of Allan Houston, Penny Hardaway (he had other issues too), Jamal Mashburn, Karl Malone (although he was pretty much done at that point anyway), and Greg Oden.
Although, every single one of those guys was/were basketball players, who are completely different from football players. Also, they all had their procedures done a long time ago, aside from Oden, but he had WAY more than just knee issues.
I think the failure of NBA players to come back after having the surgery 10-15 years ago has twisted perception a little. With new knowledge and technology, I would think the surgery’s success rate has gotten a lot better. Especially when you consider the fact that stem cell research (micro fracture surgery is essentially ‘natural’ stem cells) has come a long way since then too.
Also, Carlos Beltran had it done, but he was a complete dumbass and thought he knew better than the doctors.
by philiafan14364 on Oct 25, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
And MCL tear recovery is a whole lot shorter and easier than ACL reconstruction and microfracture surgery.
I’ve done both, twice for the ACL. I’d rather tear my MCL 10000 times before an ACL.
Didn’t he tear his ACL though?
I thought he had ACL surgery as well as micro fracture surgery to repair the torn cartilage.
by philiafan14364 on Oct 24, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest, I’m not sure what to expect. If he’s truly healthy, then he should be a force, but I don’t think that’s the case. Like Lawlor wrote in his latest post regarding BG, there’s no need to rush him back. Our pass rush has been more than adequate. I hope the Eagles are thinking long-term when it comes to BG.
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Oct 24, 2011 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This.
"Obviously, I lobbied for him to be here. But what a difference a year makes." -- Donovan McNabb
by thePurpleLion on Oct 24, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t expect much. Not surprised if put on the IR also. Yet the Eagles have brought back players too soon from injury in the past and it has not worked out well. I been saying he would be lucky to be back by week 10 & even I don’t think he would be up to part & would just be a liability ( and still as risk of getting reinjured )
Also, whose minutes would he take in the DE rotation? If anything our DEs have been playing pretty damn good.
If anything our DEs have been playing pretty damn good
You do know that DE also have to defend the run as well…..right? Cole is a good against the run….but mostly everyone else isnt…. Graham showed flashes that he could be good against the run… Im actually excited to see that exact thing with him….we all know he can rush the passer.
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Oct 24, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Outside runs yes but expecting the DEs to cover inside runs when they are lined up OUTSIDE the OTs is asking a bit much.
by Easedel on Oct 24, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thats true…..but I mean….its not as if Babin was better at it when he was playing closer either. Also, im assuming that they wont be using the wide 9 on every snap so we should expect our DE to be able to defend the run with they line up on the inside…
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Oct 24, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
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Just seen this.
Reuben Frank:
Brandon Graham said he was encouraged by his first practice since Dec but gassed. Said it’ll take a week or two to get into football shape.
Makes sense.
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by ShadyMcVickFactor on Oct 24, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to keep my expectations low this year since he’s coming back from that injury but next year WATCH OUT!
WHY???
What AT ALL makes you think this? We have 2 stud ends, so he’s not starting anytime soon. He has yet to play ONE productive game in a year and a half in the league, and like always he’s TOO undersized.
A) We run a rotation on d-line. The starters get the most snaps but there’s plenty to go around.
B) Considering he’s been out all this year, the end of last year, saying he hasn’t done anything in a year and a half is pretty misleading. Plus, rookie DEs rarely make a big impact. JPP only had 1.5 more sacks then Graham and he didn’t have any until week 12. Defensive ends need time to develop.
C) Undersized? He’s listed as 268 lbs. In no way is that undersized for a 4-3 DE. Phillip Hunt only weighs 244 and he’s been productive in our system.
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by KeepSwinging on Oct 24, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
meh
Thats a serious surgery. I dont expect him to do much this year. Have any other defensive ends come back and been a force after this surgery ?
If he stays healthy, I’ll consider that a win. I don’t need him to do anything this season.
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by Euler.is.a.Pimp on Oct 24, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions
I don't expect anything...
… this year.
Next year will be “make or break” for him.
I will keep an open mind on him.
trade him while the heaping pile is still hot
and im DEAD SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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First …
@trade him while the heaping pile is still hot @
and I’m DEAD SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Second …
If you are dead serious, then it is not sarcasm.
Third…
the trade deadline is over.
But I get your idea.
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by thePurpleLion on Oct 24, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn it!!
First …
trade him while the heaping pile is still hot
and I’m DEAD SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Second …
If you are dead serious, then it is not sarcasm.
Third…
the trade deadline is over.
But I get your idea.
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by thePurpleLion on Oct 24, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Listen here Jermey Adams...
for one you cant put sarcasm in the headers, secondly i know how to use sarcasm and will use it how i please
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lol … sorry … couldnt help myself. I was just too bored. LOL!
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by thePurpleLion on Oct 24, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
go watch Lisa Ann you wont be bored
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by theaction on Oct 24, 2011 7:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i hope he gets to shine a little bit
and im routing for him because i love the eagles, but, we should have taken JPP at 13. it may leave a sour taste in your mouth but its the truth.
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Why? Graham was the best DE in the draft that year, just because Graham suffered a knee injury and the other is playing great (im almost sure the Giants could put me at DE and I would do great), does not make Graham the wrong choice. You can not look back and base your decision on what is happening with the players, but rather what information you had back then.
by Anders Jensen on Oct 24, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
JPP lead the g-men in sacks
OSI is injured and Tuck is on a lil decline, and there was no consensus pick when it came to DE in that years draft. It was more of a 40-40-20, Graham, JPP, Morgan.
Injured != Decline
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by KeepSwinging on Oct 24, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Graham was the best DE in the draft that year
Um, no he wasn’t. Carlos Dunlap or Lamarr Houston was.
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You and me have been agreeing a lot lately but that is FAR from true. Brandon Graham was dominant at Michigan and at the Senior Bowl. He was the best DE prospect.
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People didnt even know to rate him at DE or OLB because there was speculation that he may play in a 3-4 scheme. It was a poor position choice regardless for that pick.
You’ve got to be kidding me. The 3-4 / 4-3 tweener stuff is so overblown. Brandon Graham can play DE. End of story.
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I read his comment wrong. I thought he meant the most dominant of the rookie pass rushers last year. Yeah Graham was the highest rated DE coming out, but wasn’t best pass rushing rookie DE last year.
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by Dunta Is A PUNK on Oct 24, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions
I think getting reps, experience and learning the system will be a successful season for him if he shows that he will be able to eventually recover from the injury. Production is not really a huge issue in his development for me this year, it’ll be an added bonus but as long as he keeps his responsibility on every play I don’t have any hopes for great numbers.
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A sack every snap he plays.
Seriously, though, I expect him to be pretty good in a few weeks. These things do take time, though, so I don’t see an immediate impact.
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right ...
if he gets some pressure, and doesnt reinjure anything, I will consider it a successful game for him.
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by thePurpleLion on Oct 24, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohh B.Graham is still on this team???
(INSERT FART NOISE) Horrible pick from the beginning, i remember when i first said that around here and got ripped for it. I wanted DB Thomas or JPP, while some of you said JPP was just athletic and Graham was such a great “high motor guy”. J. Parker is a better DE than Graham, stoked we didn’t trade him.
Are you serious right now? Brandon Graham was the second best DE on this team last year and the pass rush fell off a cliff without him in there. Or is that too far back for you to remember? He actually had a more productive rookie year than JPP and if it wasn’t for that ACL tear, I think he would be having a more productive sophomore effort too. Brandon Graham is bigger, stronger, more explosive, powerful, intelligent and more agile in short areas than Parker. Plus, Parker is older and his potential has been maxed out and he’s on the decline.
Just a quick side by side comparison of Earl Thomas and Nate Allen
Earl Thomas: 358 snaps, 32 tackles, 4 TFL, 8 stops, 7 missed tackles, 3 passes defended, 1 INT, 128 yards allowed in coverage, 78.6% completion percentage and 0 TDs allowed
Nate Allen: 234 snaps, 20 tackles, 1 TFL, 8 stops, 2 missed tackles, 2 passes defended, 1 INT, 27 yards allowed in coverage, 55.6% completion percentage and 0 TDs allowed.
Are you really upset that we have a promising young DE and FS?
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by d-jackfan10 on Oct 24, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Didnt Graham Start games last yr? JPP hardley got on the field behind Osi and Tuck and then Kiwi in
Blitz package.. so #4 on the depth chart. 2010: JPP 4.5 sacks 6 tipped passes 3 FF.
I think he would be having a more productive sophomore effort too.
more then 7.5 sacks while playing stout run D in 6 games? shit he is a beast!!!!
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I think I’ve explained this over a hundred times by now. My god.
Brandon Graham: 482 total snaps, 273 pass rush snaps, 3 sacks, 7 QB hits and 27 QB hurries
Jason Pierre Paul: 409 total snaps, 304 pass rush snaps, 4 sacks, 4 QB hits and 16 QB hurries
Brandon Graham was a more productive pass rusher despite rushing the passer less in their rookie years.
And yes, I do think he would be outproducing JPP if he were healthy, just as Graham had at every other point in their careers up to this season.
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definition of production?
DE : 30 tackles in 6 games for a DE is off the charts ( leads the league) . 7.5 sacks 2nd. excellent run defender!!
JPP: 4.5 sacks 6 tipped passes 3 FF.
Brandon Graham: 3 sacks 0 tipped 2 FF poor run D
I can play with #s too.
im not claiming BG to be good or not but com’on !
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You’re not playing with numbers, you’re ignoring them. You’ve completely ignored the fact that Brandon Graham was a significantly more disruptive pass rusher last year.
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Not really. I hold JPP to higher standards...I guess.
Tackling and Run D is a part of being a great DE . (exactly why Osi is not)
just as Graham had at every other point in their careers up to this season.
?….. you mean in the 1 yr of collage?
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tipped passes are huge as well
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reason for the tips
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What? Please don’t use that bull shit sport science crap. These are all professional athletes, they can make anyone seem like a fantastic athlete. Brandon Graham matched or exceeded JPP in almost every single combine event. And Brandon Graham can do back flips too.
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how many ? :O)
And you disputed not one of my facts .. except that he put more “pressure on the QB” 1/3 of what being a great DE is all about. ( JPP PLAYs more like Tuck or Cole rather then Osi) who would you rather have?
youtube was done in jest.. but sadly if thats what it takes to get a response ..so be it.
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So you would take Jamaal Anderson over Dwight Freeney? At the end of the day, the main thing you want from a defensive end is for them to rush the passer. Run defense is just a bonus that you’ll take if they’ve got it.
Brandon Graham was a more productive pass rusher when they were both healthy and Graham is just fine as a run defender. Brandon Graham is a Trent Cole clone. Watch out for Graham when he gets healthy in this Wide 9 scheme.
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Watch out for Graham when he gets healthy in this Wide 9 scheme.
not gonna say i wish him the best, but i do wish him good health.
Tuck,Cole, Jared Allen , JPP > Freeney, John Abraham, Osi
BG ????
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Lol seriously?
Unless he does his lil backflips during a game what does that video prove other than….SURPRISE he is a good athlete? what NFL player isnt a good athlete?
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see above ..
and this makes him more then a" good athlete"
30 tackles in 6 games for a DE is off the charts ( leads the league) . 7.5 sacks 2nd. excellent run defender!!
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But what the hell does that sports science video have to do with anything?
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jest !!!
i was explaining why he gets so many tipped passes at the line.
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Okay… But how in the world did that prove tipped passes matter?
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it shows that his arms are 2 1/2 inch longer for a person his size
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Holy crap, that changes everything
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Foreal! this guy right here should be a DE!
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well shit. Thats like half the pic idk where the other half went
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No, his arms are just THAT long.
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Its way creepy to look at
something just is off. I cant imagine having arms that long
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dont worry i can use my imagination.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
lets make believe i didn't post the you tube
ill try this instead .
DE with long arms help bat down balls.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Greg Jones,Jacquian Williams,Paysinger...Maybe not..
but of course u see the value
in having that ability ?
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30 tackles in 6 games for a DE is off the charts ( leads the league) . 7.5 sacks 2nd. excellent run defender!!
Are you insinuating this makes him greater than a “good athlete”?
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ummm, guess not.
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No. I mean he was a bigger high school recruit. He was more productive in college. He had a better rookie year. At every single level, Graham has been better than JPP.
And you act like Graham is strictly a complete schlub in run defense. He struggled at first adjusting to NFL blockers but as the season went on he got stronger against the run. In the last 9 games of his rookie season he had a +3.1 run defense grade according to ProFootballFocus. You seem to be forgetting how strong and powerful Graham is, he has great natural leverage, has great strength and a good motor. He is a fine run defender.
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No. I mean he was a bigger high school recruit.
JPP didnt start playing ball till 1/3 through his HS senior yr . and is younger. but WSS..
i just recall him getting benched but good for him if he improved.
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Probably way late for this argument, but w/e
Last year, Brandon Graham was the better DE. ESPECIALLY in the first half, where Pierre-Paul was adjusting to the game (Graham is definitely more pro-ready than Pierre-Paul was) and was more or less a non-factor.
However, and this is a claim made by PFF, Pierre-Paul made 75% of his QB disruptions in the final 7 games of last year.
This year, Pierre-Paul is playing out of his mind. Nobody, not even you, d-jack, can deny that. 30 tackles, 4 Pass Defensed, 7.5 sacks, and a FF. Only Jared Allen has those kinds of numbers. Want to talk about QB pressures? PFF said he has 24 by their count, with the top player being Justin Smith at 33 (99% sure this is the number; they tweeted it). So JPP is near the top. And it makes it even more disgusting how JPP is converting about 30% of his pressures into sacks.
Brandon Graham could theoretically put up those kinds of numbers. Theoretically. But its not a stretch to say he’s a fast starter while JPP was just getting acquainted, is it? Can’t really extrapolate the numbers from one year to the next, ESPECIALLY if the player we’re talking about is a rookie. I mean, if its Trent Cole, than yeah, we can pencil him for a 9-10 sack, 70 tkl season. Not Brandon Graham. JPP had only played football for about a year and half before last season. Potential counts for a lot, and its showing that another year under his belt learning the game has so far paid dividends.
And don’t forget scheme, which has a ton to do with it as well. Pierre-Paul has played a significant (and by significant, I’m willing to bet a ton of money its around 30-40%) of his snaps at DT. Much harder to rush the passer from there, indicating his versatility.
As for run defense, he graded out better than Brandon Graham last year, at +3.7. He’s picked up where he’s left off this year in that regard as well.
And finally, while its unfortunate that Graham has his injury, who would you take right now, plugging into the Eagles’ rotation? Would you take Brandon Graham coming off the PUP, or Jason Pierre-Paul, one of the top 5 defensive linemen in the league right now?
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 24, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Jason Pierre-Paul wouldn’t even start for the Eagles so I’m not sure where you’re getting this “top 5 DL in the game” stuff from.
He is not better than Trent Cole, Jason Babin, Jared Allen, Terrell Suggs, Julius Peppers, Charles Johnson, Dwight Freeney or Justin Tuck at the DE spot alone let alone better than guys like Justin Smith, Richard Seymour, Haloti Ngata, BJ Raji or Ndamukong Suh.
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This year based on his pressures, run defense and stats...
Yeah hes playing like a top dl. Maybe I exaggerated on top 5, but its not a stretch. As far as him not starting on the eagles, I dont think babin has been playing any better….hasn’t registered a sack since cole went down has he?
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 24, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Babin has had 4 QB hits and 5 QB pressures in the 2 games Trent Cole missed and that is with him getting a bunch more attention.
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jpp averaging close to 4 pressures a game
Tho I didnt know that re:babin, apologies
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 24, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Jason Babin has 4 QB hits in the past two games. JPP has 4 all season. Jason Babin has 26 total QB disruptions, JPP has 23. And Jason Babin has been the better run defender thus far.
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interesting on the QBDs and hits.
though not sure if I believe that Babin has been a better run defender than JPP. If you have the PFF numbers for run D from them, I’d like to know…if Babin’s are better, I’ll admit he’s having a better season. I’d say they’ve been on par with each other this season.
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 24, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a reminder PFF stats aren't exactly stats
Stats are accumulated data that isn’t up for speculation but rather you can look at it and decide what the stat means
PFF on the other hand is a bunch of people that watch film and quantify their opinions with a number. We shouldn’t put too much emphasis on those numbers, because they are just opinions.
I like looking at the PFF scores, but until they release something that indicates they have a scientific, repeatable approach, I’ll consider it more for entertainment value than a way to differentiate between players.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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true...only reason is cause I can't find anybody reputable to compare run defense between Babin and JPP haha
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by BigBlueIntervention on Oct 24, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
these #s are put up with teams running away from JPP.
Babin 7 sacks 19 Tack. 1 pd. 6 mill sal.
JPP 7.5 sacks 30 Tack. 4 pd. 2.5 mill sal.
this is just an asinine argument. one guy is a 8 yr 30 yr old vet they other has played less games then ive changed diapers , and i dont even have any fucking kids!!!!!
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I give up. You’re right. I’m sorry that I ever doubted Jason Pierre-Paul. He is actually super human. If I had 53 JPP’s I’d never lose another game. Could you imagine how incredibly fantastic he would be if teams actually ran at him instead of avoiding him at all times? But instead teams run away from him and triple team him all the time because he is actually the reincarnation of Deacon Jones who should already be enshrined in Canton.
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YAY! Let’s just completely ignore QB hits and hurries!
Plus we all know tackles are a great way to indicate skill. Look at Jarrad Page he leads our team in tackles. He must be great.
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Just look at Jarrad Page.
He leads the Eagles in tackles.
He must be really good.
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I give up.
Jarrad Page leads the Eagles in tackles. So he must be really good, right?
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you sound bitter.
whats ur next comparison? Cole vs JPP?
knowing you that answer will be yes…
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Bitter? No. I’m done debating a no brain retard who thinks JPP is football Jesus because he has tackles and long arms. Guess what, that shit doesn’t matter. Neither of those things are indicative of skill. Stop acting like they are.
And JPP doesn’t compare to Trent Cole. So there goes that.
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by d-jackfan10 on Oct 25, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
speaking volumes again.
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try recognizing the position.
To be far, hes on track for 80 tackles and 20 sacks, plus 11 passes defensed. Obviously that’s just a projection, but even if he pulled a 70/16 line you’d have to say its impressive.AnthroEagle
the silence of your fellow Eagle fans speaks Volumes!!
your one of them guys aren’t you?
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We tend to let the 2 debating parties debate. No point in jumping in.
by philiafan14364 on Oct 25, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Well on this topic it
seems like a smart move.
None the less its appreciated.
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shit i dont even know what the topic is anymore.
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if you cant recognize the incredible value
of having a DE that has as many tackles as your typical ML or S nothing more needs saying. Ill speak to the fan that actually knows something about football.
YAY! Let’s just completely ignore QB hits and hurries!
hmmmm..
And you disputed not one of my facts .. except that he put more "pressure on the QB"
this is my admission to your argument …you should try it sometime!
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Tackles ≠ Indicator of Skill.
Get THAT through your head right now.
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by d-jackfan10 on Oct 25, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re completely inept. It’s to the point where you need to stop. You’re not even making any sense.
this is my admission to your argument …you should try it sometime!
WTF is that supposed to even mean? Go read a book. Up your writing and communication skills and then come back. Jesus.
And ignoring QB hits and hurries is a pretty big hole in your argument, not going to lie.
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by d-jackfan10 on Oct 25, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i will speak S L O W E R
And you disputed not one of my facts .. except that he put more "pressure on the QB" 1/3 of what being a great DE is all about. ( JPP PLAYs more like Tuck or Cole rather then Osi) who would you rather have?
That is my statement fro m above giving cred to a portion to your argument.. Hence the “you should try it sometime!” because u are with out doubt ( and i cant believe im still doing this with you.) the sky is blue when everyone else sees gray…
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And your signature is stupid. Herzlich DOES suck and he hasn’t even played a defensive snap. Williams DOES suck. And Paysinger has played one snap.
So maybe they do after all…
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by d-jackfan10 on Oct 25, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
you should know..
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
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Who counts the hurries and what makes a QB hurry?
Also, in the wide 9 you’ld expect a DE to generate huge numbers of hurries (whatever they are), cause its a one gap system
We play a strict 2 gap (though you’ll see certain guys like Osi line up wide). JPP doesn’t nor will he in the future play a wide 9 style. His ability to pressure the passer while still taking on big run defense responsibilities is why people have been praising him ( I’m referring to natl media)
It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.
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by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
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Jason Babin has 82 less snaps than JPP but he only has 2 less stops. Jason Babin has been doing a good job holding up at the point of attack and he is doing an FANTASTIC job in pursuit. If you were only able to see the end of plays you might think Jason Babin was a linebacker, he is constantly around the action.
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by d-jackfan10 on Oct 24, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
a fantastic job, not an fantastic job.
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by d-jackfan10 on Oct 24, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
thats because they only run at Osi
hes tracking people down from behind. yet still leads the league in tackles for DEs.
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Bull shit. JPP played RE in weeks 1-3 and then he played LE in weeks 4-6.
Week 1: 18 / 26 of Redskins runs were to JPP’s side.
Week 2: 8 / 19 of Rams runs were to JPP’s side
Week 3: 22 / 34 of Eagles non WR/called runs were to JPP’s side
Week 4: 18 / 30 of Cardinals RB runs were to JPP’s side
Week 5: 10 / 23 of Seahawks RB runs were to JPP’s side
Week 6: 11 / 20 of Bills RB runs were to JPP’s side
That means that 87 out of 152 runs have went to JPP’s side. That’s 57%.
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JPP played majority of week 3 at LE
interesting #s, where are the ones that he played DT and bounced from L to R during the game?
after watching every game i can promise you its Osi and his reckless disregard to acknowledging the run is where the RB heads .
There is no “JPP side” .
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/Face palm
You’re such a homer. JPP is football Jesus. Sorry.
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by d-jackfan10 on Oct 25, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
no u cowect he sux
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And you’re wrong BTW. But hey. Who cares? Lets just scream random homer shit and see what sticks? Right? Isn’t that what you’re going for?
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by d-jackfan10 on Oct 25, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
To be far, hes on track for 80 tackles and 20 sacks, plus 11 passes defensed. Obviously that’s just a projection, but even if he pulled a 70/16 line you’d have to say its impressive.
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No
Not upset, just not overly happy. Happier taking JPP in the first and FS Ward in the second, or Thomas and LB D. Washington out of TCU in the second.
I don’t think it’s fair to make these judgements at this point. Brandon Graham had the best season of any rookie defensive end and Nate Allen shows promise. I’m not giving up on them yet.
Brandon Graham got hurt, it happens. Now he just has to rebound from that and there is nothing to suggest he can’t. He has made a good recovery and was cleared to play already (better than Abiamiri ever did). He is still young so the odds of him recovering fully are higher. And he is a strong competitor which would suggest that he’s worked hard through his rehab and will work hard to return to form.
Graham and Allen will turn out fine.
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Earl Thomas plays for Seattle, arguably the worst team in the NFL who traded last years first round pick for peanuts.
We are the EAGLES, in contention each and every year.
Thamos would be a much better player on our team.
You’re probably right. Earl Thomas would be playing better on the Eagles but I still don’t think the gap between ET and Nate would be that big.
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This week? I’m not expecting much. Maybe 10-15 snaps at best.
By the end of the season, heading into the stretch run, I expect that he’ll be a pass rushing force coming off the bench for us.
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This.
Slowly work him in, we have enough depth currently to build his endurance and confidence in his leg.
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by EagleGreeninMD on Oct 24, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Abirimiri 2.0
So we used a 1st 3 3rds and a 5th on pass rushers that draft and have gotten almost nothing in return. Thank gd for free agency.
Are we really bitching about Graham?
He’s going to be a force and can spell Cole and Babin. We have a pretty damn good rotation of DE’s this year. I’m excited. Anything Graham does is just a bonus now on top of everyone getting healthy.
Freakin Cole, Babin, Tapp, Graham, Hunt, and Parker? Lovin it.
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Not sure we can keep 6 DEs on the roster.
by Anders Jensen on Oct 24, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Just a bonus????
Being productive AND HEALTHY is all part the game. As a first round pick we TRADED UP for, just a bonus will not cut it.
It is just a bonus
because we signed Babin, Traded for Tapp, and already had Parker who is a decent DE. ANYTHING he does this season is just a Bonus to an already pretty strong DE rotation when they are all healthy. Having a first round DE added back into the mix is just gravy.
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Nothing.
I expect almost nothing from him this season other than some depth. If he can get healthy and learn the schemes this year then next year I expect him to be a serious force. But these injuries, they take time, a lot of time to fully come back from.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Look, Im not going to bash anyone here, but ...
If Graham doesnt show his worth, he could be on the way out next year. With that much depth, guys looking to get paid and all; one or more of those guys could be trade bait to free up some money. Since he has the most serious injury, and the likelyhood of it happening again increased, he would SEEM most likely to be dealt.
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Wut? A healthy Graham is pretty clearly a big upgrade over Darryl Tapp, Juqua Parker and Phillip Hunt.
Plenty of athletes tear their ACL and have microfracture surgery and come back fine. The two that stick out in my mind off the top of my head are Amare Stoudemire and Kellen Winslow Jr. Steve Smith had microfracture surgery and he is just fine. Marques Colston has had 2 microfracture knee surgeries. Dan Marino had it. Matt Lepsis had it. Tom Nalen had it. DeShuan Foster had one. Reggie Bush had microfracture knee surgery. Tracy Porter had one too. It’s not a career ender.
And I’d be interested in knowing how many players who tore their ACL, tear it again. Not everyone is Cornelius Ingram. Graham isn’t injury prone. He only missed 2 games at Michigan and that was because of an infection. He has been strikingly durable throughout his career.
And why would we just go and trade a second year player who was a first round pick? I don’t think that’s too smart.
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And I’d be interested in knowing how many players who tore their ACL, tear it again.
Its more common than you think, just most people it happens to don’t make it as far as Thomas Davis and Cornelius Ingram did. But Cornelius’ case is weird because his surgery was unsuccessful in the first place, but was falsely claimed to be successful (which could get the surgeon in some shit). Thomas Davis, I think, is just the victim more of circumstance and joint hypermobility. But most people who tear their ligaments or menisci twice usually call it quits sooner rather than later.
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Look at the background behind their heads… pretty sure this is photoshopped.
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No someone just screen shot them mid chest bump. It’s the angle.
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Depth this year
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by MayIhave10,000marblesplease? on Oct 24, 2011 5:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Graham is still a wide open book.
Didn’t perform super last year but was coming on pretty strong when he got hurt. If the surgery worked, then it’s 50/50 as to whether he will be a true force, and it’s also 50/50 if that would be possible before next year.
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Honestly? Not much this season
I didn’t agree with the draft pick at the time, but Graham seems like a good kid and I hope he’s able to get back to full strength and contribute. I’m just not sure how much he’s going to be able to contribute this season.
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Brandon Graham's going to be a monster in this system.
He’ll likely be a rotational guy for this season (played sparringly) but next season he’ll likely take the place of Parker and Tapp.
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Not sure about Graham, but I love the bye week
We get back two of our five best players, in Cole and Peters, plus we get Graham to be excited about. And we play Dallas next.
The bye Sunday itself is boring, but what it does for the team and the excitement the following week is pretty awesome.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring it Home for Jerome.
Not a huge Graham fan...
…but he is certainly better than the high motor Hawaiian.
God Damn you, Andy Reid.
Anyone else
think the Eagles should activate Graham, and release Page just so the Eagles aren’t tempted to play Page..?
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