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Eagles 20, Redskins 13: What We Learned



The Eagles pushed one last breath of life into their season today when they defeated the Redskins 20-13 in Landover. It was a convincing win that the team desperately needed. But what exactly can we take away from this win?

What we shouldn't get excited about - yet:

1. The run defense. Yes, the Eagles dominated there, holding the Redskins to only 43 yards on the ground. But good performances are not always a direct result of a good scheme. Sometimes one team just happens to match up well with another, and this could very well have been the case, since Shanahan's one-cutback system is different from the other run schemes the Eagles have faced so far. The fact that the Redskins suffered injuries on the offensive line needs to be considered too. I'm not saying the Eagles weren't impressive, because they most definitely were. But it'll take a good outing by the defense like this against Dallas before they really have proved themselves.

2. The turnovers. They are still getting snake-bitten in the red zone - Vick's interception was largely overlooked since the Eagles won - and Young's toss was just horrible. On the other side of the ball, they did get four INTs, but Rex Grossman was the quarterback. Enough said. 

What we can get excited about:

1. Tackling. Finally, somewhere in the recesses of their instincts, the defense found the ability to tackle. There were a few missed ones here and there - but those happen to every team. The poor tackling by the Eagles in the first five games was unprecedented, but in their desperation they really came out and hit Washington in the mouth (see: Cooley, Chris). Plus, tackling has nothing to do with matchups - it's all about who wants it more. As long as they keep up the sense that every game is their Super Bowl, the decent tackling should continue.

2. The offensive line. This seems like an alien concept on an Eagles' fan site, but the O-line was maligned and shuffled around in a week and getting ready to play a very good Washington defense. Despite having two new starters in the tackle position and two rookies in the interior line, the Eagles ran the ball down the Redskins' throat for 192 yards on the ground. Vick did get pressured, but it was mostly on overload blitzes with free rushers. Once Jason Peters is healthy, it'll be interesting to see if Herremans moves back to guard and Justice to tackle, or if Winston remains on the bench. 

3. Coverage. For the first time since the Rams' game, the Eagles seemed like they knew what was going on upfield. There were a few blown coverages - Fred Davis had 95 yards (covered below) - but anything deep was either broken up or intercepted, with the exception of that one bomb. Most of the stuff underneath was either broken up by the linebackers or stuffed for minimal gains. There is a possibility for matchup issues again, like with the run defense, but the Redskins have enough talent in their receivers that its not as likely as it is with the run game.

4. Third down defense. With how many different third-down situations the Redskins were in, it's hard to say that this could have been matchups. Castillo called a great game on third downs, preventing conversions on Washington's first seven opportunities. They got a little soft near the end of the game, especially on that awful fourth down conversion, but overall it was a solid performance to build upon.

What we should be worried about:

1. Covering the tight end. Once again, the Eagles were burned at that position, with Fred Davis - the backup - accumulating 95 yards. If they don't work at covering the tight end they're going to have a long day against Jason Witten and the Cowboys and the horrific two-tight end system that New England employs.

2. Red zone defense. While the Eagles held the Redskins to only thirteen points, it seems like they will only achieve that feat if they keep their opponents outside their twenty. The backup quarterback scored a touchdown on a draw play in the Redskins' only trip inside the red zone. Not encouraging.

What we should not be worried about:

The offense in the second half. With the way the Eagles moved up and down the field in the first half, it would be easy to become concerned since they didn't score again. Yes, another touchdown or even a field goal would have made the end of the game a little less tense, but don't forget that Washington has a very good defense. They were only giving up 15.8 points per game. Haslett made some good adjustments for a good defense. Andy Reid also played relatively conservatively possibly in an effort to limit mistakes, which the Eagles did. It's actually more encouraging to see that the defense finally answered the call and closed the game.

So, what have we learned?

The Eagles got a win when they needed it most. It wasn't the prettiest win, but it was a win nonetheless. The offensive line played beyond expectations and the defense showed up in a critical game. There are still some questions that need to be answered going into the bye, but there is also one thing that hasn't been around in a long time: hope. If the defense can build upon this, and if both lines get Peters and Cole back in time to play the Cowboys, there's no reason to think that the Eagles can't answer those questions and start a comeback in the division. But only time will tell if the Eagles eventually make Warren Sapp look ridiculous for doing this on NFL GameDay Morning (God I hope they do - that was just insulting):

 

(Sorry for the poor sound - but you get the idea. In any case, something needs to be done about this travesty.)

Poll
Will the Eagles make the playoffs this year? How many games will they win?
Win division, 12 wins
22 votes
Win division, 10-11 wins
78 votes
Wild Card, 9-11 wins
59 votes
Miss playoffs, 2-10 wins
32 votes
The Eagles will win 5 games at most this season
5 votes

196 votes | Poll has closed

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We need to remember

The Redskins are pretenders. Rex Grossman and John Beck won’t take them anywhere. Their defense is formidable, particularly their linebackers, and our offense did well against them for a time. I’ll take a division win, but we didn’t learn too much altogether. When we play the Patriots, THEN we’ll see how we stack up against a truly good team. The Rams suck, the Falcons are a disappointment, the Giants are mediocre at best, the 49ers…eh, who knows, and the Bills are also pretenders (though they’re up and coming). If we want to know how far off we are, we need to see how we match up against a team that will still be around in February.

And yes this is Philly, you welcome to come check us

by jaws1385 on Oct 16, 2011 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Patriots’ defense suck. I guarantee that game will be an offensive shootout.

I come in peace. Neutrality is my thing.

Barry Sanders is better than Deion Sanders.

by BIBTD on Oct 16, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I thought we might see vs. the Cowboys last night.

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 17, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

So pretty much every team in the NFL sucks by your standards besides the Packers.

The Jruth shall be told.

by packimop on Oct 17, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont understand why the Pats are the measuring stick.

I would say the Packers are the team we should be looking at when it comes a good team to beat. However, every team is beatable it just depends on who actually brings their game.

Men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, for everyone can see and few can feel. Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are-Il Principe

I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7

by TricksterG on Oct 17, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Gotta compare yourself to the best.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Oct 17, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I named the teams we've played so far...how is that "every team in the NFL?"

I’m simply saying we haven’t played a team yet that is a real Super Bowl contender. The Packers are the measuring stick in the NFC, and the Patriots are strong candidates for best in the AFC. WE DON’T PLAY THE PACKERS THIS SEASON, SO COMPARING OURSELVES TO THE PATS IS THE NEXT BEST THING. Jesus, not that hard…

And yes this is Philly, you welcome to come check us

by jaws1385 on Oct 17, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

We can compare ourselves to the Packers offensively and defensively… We strive to be like the Packers because they’re the best, not the Patriots because we happen to play their overrated asses at some point this season.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Oct 17, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

we must compare ourselves to the Packers and strive to be that good which we can. We can blow people out and win close games. Thats all we have to do. We are going to get there and I think we are a big step closer. The Pat’s game will show us how close we are because I am hoping we can roll through the next 4 games and get to play the Pat’s at 6-4 and see how good we are. And what I learned about the game was the redskins are still the Redskins and Rex is not the answer

by DcEagles29 on Oct 17, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope

Andy shows that video to everyone on the team.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Oct 16, 2011 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

We learned the following...

Rex Grossman is a terrible quarterback, the O-Line has a way to go (but did play better), the linebackers are still bad, Nnamdi (unlike Asante) can hit, not turning the ball over is a GOOD thing, and beating the Redskins is a pretty poor indicator of how good a team actually is.

God Damn you, Andy Reid.

by EvilBanner on Oct 16, 2011 10:08 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Beating the Redskins convince everyone that they are still the LOLskins. That’s all that matters.

I come in peace. Neutrality is my thing.

Barry Sanders is better than Deion Sanders.

by BIBTD on Oct 16, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

That matters very little. Getting to the playoffs and winning the Super Bowl is all that matters.

This isn’t michigan state

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Oct 16, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it is Syracuse.

Beware of Greeks bearing gifts.

"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson

by waterfield on Oct 17, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd. This is a better distillation of what we really learned.

I like the OL. The game plan has to reflect a grasp of the OL style and what it is trying to accomplish. I think we saw a little of that against a pretty good ‘skins D. A little less shotgun, shoot ’em up, and a little more concentrated effort to force the defense to account for Shady and the superfast WR. Can’t wait until Peters comes back and Todd moves back to RT. Too bad Ronny Brown came up so small. Shady could use a legitimate back-up.

Chaney needs to have his mission pared down to what he can actually accomplish on the field. Downhill, wrap ‘em up, that’s where I would start. Fokou is beyond mediocre. I can’t imagine him playing 2-3 more years. That would be an enormous indictment of the Eagles’ brass. A revolving door of 6-7 th rounders results in a yearly turnover of talent and the constant hope of a “steal”. I am holding out hope that Rolle can become a fixture of a solid, if not dangerous, Eagle LB corps in the future. I’ve got to say I like him.

"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson

by waterfield on Oct 17, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

For the rec! It’s comments like these (that is, educated) that I’m looking for when I write and I see them routinely on both this site and in this article. I welcome all well-thought out approvals and critiques for my work (always trying to get better). I’m sick of going to NFL.com and seeing the users leave comments like, “VICK HAS TO SACRIFICE A DOG TO HAVE A GOOD GAME LOLOLOLOLOL.” Seriously, they’re out there.

"This game is...over!" -Chuck Bednarik

by Matt Harkenreader on Oct 18, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldnt even

bother reading comments on NFL,ESPN, etc. They are just garbage with comments like you mentioned above. This site has been a saving grace from the idiots that populate most sports sites.

Men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, for everyone can see and few can feel. Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are-Il Principe

I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7

by TricksterG on Oct 18, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff Matt

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by JasonB on Oct 16, 2011 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

No matter what, this is exactly what this team needed. No turnovers and the defense stepping up. They are going to build on this and keep getting better.

I got em' coach!

by IhateESPN on Oct 16, 2011 10:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Expert analysis : 2 interceptions = no turnovers.

No wonder you hate ESPN. Their idiots get paid real money for being so ignorant.

"Even those invested in the idea that the journey is the destination may feel they've taken a train to nowhere." - Terry Lawson

by waterfield on Oct 17, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...

I’m pretty sure they base all of their analysis on what they heard that week. And by “no turnovers” I meant that compared to the 5 we had last week. I guess I just blanked those two out of my mind.

I got em' coach!

by IhateESPN on Oct 17, 2011 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I hope they

show that video every week. Let them know what some people think of them and remind them that everyone doubts them. I would be jacked once I saw what marshall faulk and warren sapp did. bring on the hurt, put it away and make belivers out of everyone.

by DcEagles29 on Oct 17, 2011 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

And by the way – Fred Davis is a monster and is a much bigger threat as a receiver than Cooley. He’s tough to contain

The Jruth shall be told.

by packimop on Oct 17, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Ok. My thoughts.

Run Defense- I’m not ready to say it’s fixed, infact I think it’s quite the opposite. We piled on points early and the Redskins HAD to throw the ball, this is what we need to to with every team because it plays to our strengths. We were also helped out by the Time of Possession, (we had almost 39mins) which really helped the Defense stay fresh.

Offensive Line- No way you move Herremans back to guard. He’s been playing well at RT, Mathis is playing VERY good football, and Watkins while unspectacular right now is looking good also. You have to play your best 5, and right now at LG Mathis is on fire and Herremans is hands down better than Justice at RT.

Defensive player of the year for 2011 is...

Wild_Eagle!

Yes, Wild_Eagle's infamous reputation did help him get this award. But he shows that he walks the talk that he serves...with his keyboard. Wild_Eagle protects the motherland (BGN) from the evils of noobs, douche-bags, and other assholes. Although he may be crude and unnecessary, all great defenders draws the yellow flag from time to time.

-Awarded by Number5

Wild_Eagles’ Heart is scarier than Hell, you lose. - d-jackfan10 at the troll known as vicksuck!

by wild_eagle on Oct 17, 2011 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Kinda like the Rams game. Still 20 points is pretty pathetic. Offense needs to score at least 30 points if they want to win with that defense.

I come in peace. Neutrality is my thing.

Barry Sanders is better than Deion Sanders.

by BIBTD on Oct 17, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

god damn.

I come in peace. Neutrality is my thing.

Barry Sanders is better than Deion Sanders.

by BIBTD on Oct 17, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that was a trainwreck

Men judge generally more by the eye than by the hand, for everyone can see and few can feel. Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are-Il Principe

I would go to battle any time with these guys-MV7

by TricksterG on Oct 18, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did he say we were 10-6 last year

and missed the Playoffs? Was his dumb ass under a rock in Feb.? We played the Packers in the 1st round. What a bunch of jagoffs…

Even cats bleed Eagle green. . .

by The11thLetter on Oct 17, 2011 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he meant 10-6 within the division missed the playoffs.

Meaning the Giants. I could be wrong, but that is what I thought he meant when I saw it. For the record, Faulk needs to be clearer in what he is talking about.

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 17, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Post. Rec'd.

But why the 3 mentions of the Cowboys as a threat within the division and no mention of the Giants?

You sure you want to take my boys so lightly?

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 17, 2011 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Can't argue with results

And I wouldn’t be shocked to see you guys win the division. eli ain’t bad and those receivers look alright. As a big Michigan fan, I can say that I think Manningham will be a player when all is said and done.

That said, this board isn’t buying the Giants. We don’t believe you beat us because you are the better team, we believe it happened because of injuries, poor attitude and chemistry, and us throwing the game away. I understand that you won’t agree, and I can also understand how a neutral person would see me as a homer.

But that’s how we feel.

GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!

by tanman5 on Oct 17, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eli ain't bad and the receivers look alright. :-)

That’s fine that you and the majority of this board don’t buy into the Giants, it’s expected. And while I don’t believe the Eagles will the 8 or 9 games out of the next 10 to win the division, I still respect your talent, and your head coach. Your DC is another matter entirely. So is your overall defensive make-up. When is Cole expected to return?

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 18, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not that I don't respect the Giants

because I do. I was impressed how they managed 10 wins despite Eli Manning being a turnover machine last year. I simply mentioned the Cowboys more because they are the Eagles’ next opponent after the bye week. Also, I mentioned them because of Jason Witten, who is a beast, and that the Eagles can’t cover the tight end. No offense, but the Giants are somewhat short in that department since Boss departed for the Raiders (although the Eagles will probably let Derek Hagan pile on 100 yards and 3 TDs anyway). So no diss to the Giants, despite how much I dislike them. The Eagles need to take this one game at a time now, so the Giants are kind of out of the picture at the moment.

"This game is...over!" -Chuck Bednarik

by Matt Harkenreader on Oct 18, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha, I forgot that you guys host Dallas after the buy.

I’m just so used to the Giants being overlooked by the media for the Cowboys and Eagles. The Giants, despite being a big play team, don’t excite people too much. Especially because our QB is so boring (insert obligatory Manning-face here).

Whitten worries everybody. He is a HOF TE. Just a mention here for the TE position on the Giants minus Boss: It’s the narrative that the Giants lost alot when they lost Boss. Not really. Yes he was a good TE for the Giants for a few years. he made a high percentage of his catches on third down and that is huge. But it looks like the Giants have found a comparablt replacement already. Here are the stats:

Boss 6’ 6’ 260
2008. 33 catches, 11.6 avg. 6 TD’s
2009. 42 catches, 13.5 avg. 5 TD’s
2010. 35 catches, 15.2 avg. 5 TD’s
Boss wasn’t a good blocker at all his first year, but developed into a very good blocker. He sustained multiple concussions over the years (3 I think), and dropped ALOT of passes last year. So much so that PFF rated him as having “the worst hands at the TE position.” So he was declining.

Rookie Jake Ballard 6’ 6’ 275
2011 through 6 games: 15 catches, 18.2 avg. 2 TD’s. These project out to about 40 catches and 5 TD’s. Basically identical stats to Boss with a much higher per catch avg., if that holds up. In addition, Ballard gets open, has 0 drops, and has shown great body control and hands when making a catch. This isn’t a homers glowing review, just obvious observations. His blocking however, needs alot of work, that is the negative about him.

In all honesty, replacing Boss’ production is not THAT impressive because Boss’ production, while solid, is not upper-echelon.

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 18, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

If y’all are not happy, get off the wagon and jump on ELI, REX OR ROMO and see if life is better there.

by Brotherman on Oct 17, 2011 6:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Beck LOL. Rex is gross man. You saw those picks yesterday?

I come in peace. Neutrality is my thing.

Barry Sanders is better than Deion Sanders.

by BIBTD on Oct 17, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon now!

He may not be AR, or Brady, or his big Bro, but life is REALLY good on the Eli wagon!

If I am being negative, please don't let it fool you, I am an optimist at heart and I can prove it.

NYG 24 BUF 20

by tommy d. on Oct 18, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

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