Don't Be Stupid And Blame The Wide 9

It’s not the Wide 9. the Wide 9 is used to funnel the play away from the edges and back to the center. The issue isn’t the Wide 9, it’s that we don’t have decent linebackers to make the play once we’ve funneled it back inside.

Look at the Bills game. Narrowing the Wide 9 didn’t yield better results. We still got gashed in the run, but the DL’s didn’t have any sacks. Until the LB’s are better, we’re going to get killed in the run regardless of what stance the DE’s take.

Is going to come in here and just wave a magic juan and fix everything… I don’t know

Tulloch was solid, and Will Witherspoon had his best year with 3 sacks, 2 INT, and 30 tackles, plus Michael Griffin had a PRO BOWL year

This system worked because they had the support behind them

The best teams in the league are all pass-heavy teams. If you can disrupt the QB, you can win games.

Our problem is on the second level and third level. If you can’t plug the run gaps the wide 9 creates, teams will gash you all day.

1.) Get better LBer’s that can plug the run gaps and cover TE’s
2.) Stop playing musical chairs with our DB’s and let them play to thier strengths (man for Nmamdi, off-cover for Asante)
3.) Keep the safeties over the top and play conservative to prevent the big plays/

the only real d scheme this guy knows is jj’s zone blitz scheme. Problem is he can’t run it or even some water doown version with the wide 9. Droping dl back in coverage would not be an option while running the wide 9. Also everbody is calling for man coverage. If you go man coverage-man blitz the d line can’t just run after the qb. They would actually have some responsiblities like jaming the TE, stunting, shifting, run stopping, exc exc exc

the only real d scheme this guy knows is jj’s zone blitz scheme. Problem is he can’t run it or even some water doown version with the wide 9. Droping dl back in coverage would not be an option while running the wide 9. Also everbody is calling for man coverage. If you go man coverage-man blitz the d line can’t just run after the qb. They would actually have some responsiblities like jaming the TE, stunting, shifting, run stopping, exc exc exc

And the linebackers aren’t even the problem. It’s the zone coverage schemes we keep employing. With everyone dropping back into zone coverage, they have to dissect the play and figure out where the ball’s going rather than just covering their man. This takes an extra second or two. Offenses thus far have just come out and done little dump off passes and runs while our players are reading the play.

If we switch to a primarily man coverage scheme, the safeties and linebackers can play up closer and can support the line instead of trying to figure out where to be.

Isn’t part of Reid’s “mantra” that he has to put the right players in the right positions to be successful. He usually does.

We should go to the Buddy Ryan 46 defense. Load up the box and make our “all-pro” CB’s play man back there. Done.

Isn’t part of Reid’s “mantra” that he has to put the right players in the right positions to be successful. He usually does.

We should go to the Buddy Ryan 46 defense. Load up the box and make our “all-pro” CB’s play man back there. Done.

Isn’t part of Reid’s “mantra” that he has to put the right players in the right positions to be successful. He usually does.

We should go to the Buddy Ryan 46 defense. Load up the box and make our “all-pro” CB’s play man back there. Done.

It is primarily personnel at linebacker and safety. But not entirely so.

There have been plays, series, quarters and longer where this defense has denied the run, denied first downs and denied scores. So why does it sometimes work?

Lack of consistency is a killer. Poor tackling is a killer.

I would like our defense to look at forcing turnovers (which Buffalo evidently has been doing all season).

The Wide 9 is extremely effective, our issue lie on the second level of defense. Most post people who are familiar with the Wide 9 knows that is it not effective when a zone scheme is being played behind it.

The Wide 9 give you pressure and you need press/ man coverage for our corner backs what we have.

The second level gets shaky at our LB core props to Chaney but we need bigger LBs to match up against the gaps that Wide 9 cause. The Wide 9 looks suspect because in a way you can scheme against it the same way you scheme against a 5-3 front. & it does not help that our LBs are so small and that we have a safety(page) who I think we would be better playing a man down if he is in the Line Up

If we stop running the zone behind the Wide 9 and let our CB do their jobs I think we would have a little more success against the run.

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The wide 9 on this team right now is like having a chick that is gorgeous in the face but has a body like Rosie ODonnell

I finally got a beat reporter to sum it for me. It’s a thousand times better than I could ever write it up so just read it people. http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Scrap_wide_nine_defense_its_not_for_Reids_Birds.html?cmpid=131298059

solid but undersized downhill linebacker who was extremly bad in coverage, The Titans let him walk because he couldn’t cover, but I guess with the corners you guys have it could have worked,

Wide 9 ? I’ve been a Fisher fan for a while but his defenses were putrid against the run. Haynesworth had that one huge contract year and was unstoppable when motivated by money but other than that the Titans run defense has been abismal for as long as I can remember.

Dallas fan. I spent all last year watching Keith Brooking get his butt kicked as a linebacker (alongside Bobby Carpenter for god’s sake). It was a train wreck. TE’s worked him over in the flat and on shallow seems, he got blown up by lead fullbacks and pulling blockers and when he did get to an RB, he only tackled effectively about 50% of the time. Let’s not even talk about screen plays – throwing a screen on Dallas and catching their linebackers as a last line of defense was essentially a given for a 20 yard play.

This year, we’ve got Sean Lee who’s stepped into the role and it makes a gigantic difference. Dallas fans are pretty excited about Sean Lee and Bruce Carter when he gets a chance to play off of injury as a combo.

If I were an Eagles fan and had only one defensive wish that would be granted, it would be talent at the LB position. I think the Eagles are just too depleted there and no “system” or amount of “talent” on the edge of the line or at CB is going to cover for that weakness.

BTW: The Dallas safeties sure look a lot better this year, even despite their 3 starting CBs being injured and out most of the year now that the safeties don’t have to cover 75% of the dang field. My guess is, the Eagles would benefit in the same way.

my goal wasn’t to bring up the sean lee trade. to be honest – i forgot that came from the eagles.

I was only offering my perspective on the topic of “wide 9” vs. “talent” vs. “what else is the cause” … and my perspective, is that the Eagles LBs are a pretty big problem and not really fixable without roster changes.

As a Dallas fan – I was empathizing with how debilitating LB issues – particularly MLB issues can be to an entire defense.

I keep thinking that the LB need to recognize a run fast and jump into the holes fast.
Play closer to line because when they are so far back it gives OL time to get in their face and RB an open field advantage instead of popping RB upon escaping the holes in OL.

Pretty clearly, if Babin’s saying the system’s great . . . then he’s saying, implicitly, that we don’t have the players to play it. And we don’t have the D.C. to coach it.

Let’s be fair the main problem is tackling and that all of the player have failed to make key tackle when needed also penalties has been and will all always be a killer if they don’t fix it come on

now don’t forget its a team game and the offense is as much to blame as the defense wide out holding the ball the way they do of course the are going to turn the ball over