Eagles Defensive Coordinator Search: Thursday Brings No News
The assumption many Eagles fans made and the the reports several writers made was that the Eagles didn't have serious interest in guys like Dick Jauron and Dennis Allen, and that their top targets were on the staffs of the "final four." After last weekend's games the expectation was that we might see some guys from the Bears and Jets come to Philadelphia for interviews.
Monday passed and that was no big deal because they were all just a day removed from the conference title games.... but then Tuesday passed, Wednesday passed and now it's Thursday afternoon and still no news. We know the Jets have denied the Raiders permission to interview at least one guy that has been speculated as a possible Eagles target, Dennis Thurman. Of course, we don't know if they would deny the Eagles or whether the Eagles would even be interested in Thurman. So, if the Eagles were interested in anyone on the Jets or Bears staff wouldn't they have come to Philadelphia by now?
Now, just because we've got no reports of movement on the defensive coordinator search doesn't mean there hasn't been any. However, had there been any actual interviews it's hard to believe that we wouldn't have heard about it. At the very least, the guy getting the interview would want it known that he's being considered. So, I would think it's safe to assume that nothing this week has reached past the conversation stage.
The one possibility that everyone seems to hanging on now is that the Eagles are waiting for the Superbowl to get a chance to interview someone on the Packers or Steelers staffs. The Packers certainly have a pair of strong candidates in Winston Moss and Mike Trgovac, but it's no sure thing that those guys could be had. For one, the Packers do not have to allow the Eagles to speak with them and there's two other teams (Cardinals and Raiders) still out looking for defensive coordinators. Of course, there's the ever present question of whether either would even be interested in the job?
Now, my luck is that moments after publishing this, we'll hear reports of an interview scheduled... but barring that happening, it's probably fairly safe to assume that they will just wait until after the Superbowl. In the end, the Eagles will be judged on who they hire, not how they went about getting him... but the nervousness and frustration of the fanbase in the meantime is understandable.
To avoid a major disappointment, the Eagles almost have to deliver a Moss or Trgovac at this point. If they end up hiring a Dennis Allen type now... it will seem like a major fallback.
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To avoid a major disappointment, the Eagles almost have to deliver a Moss or Trgovac at this point. If they end up hiring a Dennis Allen type now… it will seem like a major fallback.
Couldn’t agree more.
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This is exactly what I thought would happen
Not to be pessimistic, but I honestly thought this would happen as I mentioned in the fanshot about how “The Eagles know who there guy is.”
I really didn’t believe that. When the Sean was let go we should have had interviews beginning no less than a week later. Its been almost 2 weeks and the only things that have happened are one interview with Dennis Allen and multiple rumors involving so-and-so. It has me believing either one of two things, either the Eagles FO is putting all there eggs in one basket and hoping that one of the candidates from the SuperBowl teams (if we actually have any) will accept the job, or the Eagles never had a true plan of attack in the first place.
So far, we have lost 4 coaches (DL, LB, Secondary, and DC) and the only move we’ve made in 2 weeks is picking up a line coach. This honestly has me worried.
I'm beginning to wonder if they really have a plan
But in all fairness, losing the DL, LB, and DC didn’t really bother me that much.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Jan 27, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Andy always seems to have a plan. Whether it works or not is a different story, but I trust his personnel decisions and you have to believe the Eagles are a more attractive team to a potential DC than the Cards or Raiders. Anyway, I right there with you about not being bothered; I wanted McDermott fired all year. As far as I’m concerned anyone could come in and do at least as good (or bad) a job.
by Fenton_Hardy on Jan 27, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Of course they have a plan
This is all they have to do all day, obsess about this football team.
Andy always seems to have a plan. Whether it works or not is a different story,
Yes, the plan might suck. But there’s gotta be one.
We just don’t like when we don’t know what it is. Bottom line. But there are 90 days until the draft and 7 months til our next game. We can wait for them to get it right.
And again, no matter where you stood on McDermott, even a less-flashy hire — someone whose schemes aren’t so advanced, but gets players to execute the simpler stuff more effectively — might be just fine.
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He could be a Cylon
Because they had a plan, and then, suddenly, they didn’t.
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I don't know if I'm concerned or worried
but It would be nice if something happened soon
Let's get it Birds.
I'm not going to worry about it
We already upgraded with the acquisition of one of the best DL coaches in the business. I think that the FO has a plan in place. It may be a loose plan, but it is a plan.
I think that we will come out of this just fine.
Go Eagles!
Yeah I don't see much point in worrying ...
… I mean even those of us that want Trgovac or Thurman or Moss only want them because we think they’re good. It’s not like most of us really have the football insight and the logged hours watching game video to really know which one would be better or how our defense would be improved over McDermott by hiring one of them.
There’s really no use forming an opinion (not that that’ll stop any of us) on that — and much less of one trying to analyze how they’re doing in their search given the giant pieces of info we’re missing (who they really want, who else they want to interview which is causing them to wait, who all of the most qualified candidates really even are).
I realize this is what we fans do when we lack info, but we’re being silly. In a month, we’re not going to give a crap that they took 3 weeks to do this, and we’re barely going to remember who Winston Moss and Mike Trgovac are, should we hire someone different.
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by D3Keith on Jan 27, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Eagles usually get their guy
I’m not worried, as long as, like you said, we bring in a guy from the Steelers or Packers. That at least shows we had our eye on them, and wanted them. If we end up bringing in ANYONE else at this point, it really looks like sloppy seconds b/c if they were the guy we wanted, why wouldn’t we have spoken to them earlier?!?!
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Right, if they go get a packers asst the story is that they knew their guy all along, stayed patient and got their man. If they end up hiring almost anyone else, especially if it happens after the superbowl it really does end up looking like sloppy seconds.
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by JasonB on Jan 27, 2011 3:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder if this means they are less likely to hire a headstrong coach with his own plan.
Or a company-yes man who attempts to run JJ"s defense and has no say in a) personnel or b) direction.
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A: They are equally ineffective in the red zone.
How could this possibly mean that to you?
If they’re waiting so long for a guy from the Steelers or Packers, then obviously they want the guy at all costs. Andy is an offensive-minded coach, he knows that, and he’s gonna pick somebody who has a plan of their own. McDermott, by the look of it, had plenty of say in personnel decisions this past offseason. Also, based on the great fanposts about Washburn’s defense, JJ’s system is long gone.
I would think it looks less likely
I mean, if that were the case then why not just keep mcd or immediately elevate jauron?
Of course, if the guy isn’t a superbowl asst after all, then maybe you could make this argument again.
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by JasonB on Jan 27, 2011 3:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have faith
After the superbowl everything will work out. We will have Moss or Trgovac as our DC.
The more I read about it
The more I want them to hire Moss and draft the next linebacker named Matthews to learn from him.
I'm pretty sure everything will work out
But I’m not convinced it’ll definitely be Moss or Trgovac. Feels like there’s another big shoe waiting to drop.
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Moss would be good
Trgovac isn’t gonna happen for a variety of reasons on both sides. He left Carolina willingly to become a d-line coach. He’s had the big job (DC) for a few years and there’s no guarantee he wants to return to that position. He also wants to stay in the same town until his daughter graduates.
On the Eagles’ side, Trgovac doesn’t make a ton of sense because he’s a D-Line coach and we already have one of the best in the biz.
Moss is intriguing, but still a risk because he has no DC experience, though he has worked in both a 3-4 and a 4-3. Certainly has developed good linebackers both in Seattle and GB.
I think they should go for Dennis Thurman. He has to have learned a ton from Rex Ryan. I want someone with good coaching lines; I don’t just want a coach that can coach fundamentals, I want someone who will be creative.
I will argue this statement to death: I have seen two elite DC’s in my life. One is gone (RIP) and the other one is coaching in the Super Bowl. Both could coach fundamentals and come up with genius schemes when the situation demanded it. I want someone like that.
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Here's two elite Philly DC's who have coached here and fit your requirements.
Bud Carson
Jim Johnson
Men like that don’t grow on trees. But we need one.
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Both are gone
In fact, Jim Johnson was one of the two guys I was talking about (the other was Lebeau).
I know those guys don’t grow on trees, but there are plenty of disciples out there. It’s too bad Spags didn’t stay…
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I don’t really think the primary job of the defensive coordinator is teaching any positions. It’s calling plays and drawing up gameplans. If trgovac was the guy, then he’s not going to bother spending time teaching Brandon Graham technique. Nor should he.
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by JasonB on Jan 27, 2011 3:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
If Andy isn't dealing with the coaching search right now ...
… why isn’t he at the Senior Bowl again?
That is a fair point, if he’s waiting until after the superbowl to get a coach, then I guess he shouldn’t be busy…
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by JasonB on Jan 27, 2011 3:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are you implying that he's in Philly doing nothing?
Because that seems silly.
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I know this might be far fetched But...............
Im going to throw this out there anyways . Andy always seems to have a back up plan.
Some times they work. Some times they just suck ass. But in any case theres a back up plan in place.
Lets say the Eagles want to interview Moss or Travac for the DC job. But the Pack will not give them permission. Would it be totaly out of the question to make
Washburn the new DC? I might even be happy with that decision. Hell, now that I think about it. Thats exactly what I would do.
I don't think Washburn wants to be a DC though.
He can’t be forced to take a job he isn’t interested in.
Oh im sure that why he was brought in here.
Just thought if there was no one else . I wouldnt mind Washburn as the new DC. But thats just me.
Yeah I think the same thing
Let him do what he does.
It’s not impossible to find a coordinator that would be a good fit at simply play-calling; these guys have more connections in the league, they have to have some good insight.
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The only thing keeping me optimistic
Is that the Birds job is a much better deal than going to the Cardinals or the fucking Raiders.
Does a DC want to be in the middle of sloppy, rebuilding franchises, or in the playoff hunt working with Washburn?
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Plus I would think the cards might be targetting a steeler given the whisenhunt connection
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by JasonB on Jan 27, 2011 3:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But now Titans HC
might pull away one of our candidates. Assuming our candidate isn’t Fisher himself (which isn’t THAT far-fetched)
The only thing keeping me optimistic
Is that the Birds job is a much better deal than going to the Cardinals or the fucking Raiders.
Otherwise I totally agree.
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Titans aren’t any great shakes either. Mediocre defense, and no quarterback to speak of.
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Yeah but coaches dream of being a head coach
and very few can pass on head opportunities to remain/become a coordinator, even though you’re looking at a possible 12-win team next year in Philly and who knows what at those other stops.
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Very true.
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I hate when people think that just because what the Eagles are thinking/doing isn’t being reported in the media, they have no idea what they’re doing. I have no doubt that the FO has a plan, a backup plan, and another backup plan. People are so impatient.
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Agree.
Part of the reason why they do so well is they don’t blab their plans before they’re finished.
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NEWS
Don Banks: “Big breaking NFL news: Jeff Fisher and the Titans are preparing to part ways.”
Could he follow Washburn to Philly as DC? I believe there are no HC vacancies. We can dream, eh?
by Shady is an Eagle! on Jan 27, 2011 6:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That's exactly why I signed on
Please dear Lord let it be so.
He looks like the kind of guy that would prefer a year off, but I would definitely back him as DC. Would explain why he funneled Washburn here.
What I don’t get is why the hell the Titans would wait until now to make this move. They’re going to be hurting for candidates.
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With Fish
we’d be leading the league in tenure!
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leading the league in tenure...
AND mustache quality
by wake forest matt on Jan 27, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
So apparently Fisher is now available…is anyone looking for a head coach still? If not, he could be a possibility for the DC. No way Andy or anyone knew this was coming but interesting nonetheless.
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It is interesting, but the problem is he’d almost certainly be gone next year for head coaching gig. He’d be a one year “rental” at best.
That’s if he’s even interested in doing it. You’d think he’d just want a year off and then get another head coach gig next year.
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I agree with you, my first thought was that he takes a year off and then finds a job next year. I am just surprised at how late this firing/resigning came. Especially since the Titans already said they are moving on from Vince Young as well.
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This is going to take on "Asomugha/Boldin" proportions
until we hear something from either side on this. lol
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How about Jeff Fischer
who just got chit canned
D.C. YATES
assistant head coach and DC
Jeff come play him and Reid are good friends
D.C. YATES
the eagles green defense
last night i was looking at people the eagles might make the new D coach and i hope its kevin green.. hes the packers LB’s coach and it would make sense because the man was a pressure machine when he was in the league.. hes in like the top ten of sacks all time and it isnt because he had all the talent, the man is just smart. plus he raised clay matthew(the blood line) to what he is today. and seeing as matthews raped us both times he played us this year why not get the guy who tought him… F*ck dallas and the other ryan BIRDS all day
I might get my head chewed off for this but....
Jeff Fisher will be our Defensive Coordinator in 2011. He was our Defensive Coordinator under Buddy Ryan when our Gang Green Defense was probably the scariest D in the NFL (’91).
Not quite
in ’91 he joined the Rams, to be with his boy from SC, John Robinson. Not to be confused with the ’89, who did us dirty in the playoffs.
From tha ‘pedia:
In 1985, the Bears put him on injured reserve, so during this time he became a defensive assistant to Buddy Ryan, the Bears’ defensive coordinator. After the 1985 Bears won Super Bowl XX, Ryan left Chicago to become the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles and Fisher went with him. He joined the Eagles as a defensive backs coach and in 1988 was promoted to defensive coordinator at the age of 30, becoming the youngest one in the league at that point. Fisher found great success despite his youth, and the 1989 Eagles defense led the NFL in interceptions (30) and sacks (62). The 1990 squad led the League in rushing defense and was second in sacks.
But can’t blame you for having all those great years run together
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Great correction
Although I consider the ‘91 team, Fisher’s team…being that once he took over in ’88 we were on the way up. Those players on the ’91 team were guys Fish drafted and guys Fish coached up. He just wasnt around that last year to watch them put it all together, imo.
Clayton
Put this in a FanShot:
Clayton said in a video don’t be shocked if Fisher is with the Birds. APPARENTLY (and this is the bigger news for me) Reid has been telling people in the past 2 hours that the DC position is “closed.”
Check the FanShot for the vid, and start at about 50 seconds in.
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Nice.
That’s more substance than we’ve had on 90% of the DC speculation.
The only thing that doesn’t add up for me is why Fisher would leave a head job to be a DC. There are plenty of conceivable reasons (job security, ready to step back a bit, the sight of Andy Reid groveling) I’d just like to know which one.
Fisher would bring the experience, toughness and all that … I don’t think very many would hate the hire, we just can’t believe he’s available.
The timing is weird too.
His ties to the Ryan Philly regime would have us frothing at the mouth.
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I believe Fisher was in the last year of his contract and knew the Titans wouldn’t extend him, so they mutually decided to end it a year early. Fisher probably is going to get a HC job next year, so he had 3 options on how to spend next season:
1. Be the HC of a rebuilding team for an owner that you hate
2. Be the DC of a contender before probably taking a HC job in 2012
3. Take a year off before probably taking a HC job in 2012.
He decided against 1. Now it’s between 2 and 3.
by Shady is an Eagle! on Jan 27, 2011 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
I sorta talked about this in a FanPost, but I’m starting to believe that Reid might have known more than he let on. Wouldn’t that be something?
Now that doesn’t mean I think he tampered, but when someone as loyal as Washburn leaves . . . after turning down numerous DC offers/opps, it makes you wonder and speculate wildly.
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"known more than he let on"
Makes a lot of sense. With Allen going to the Broncos, there had to be a reason he jumped on that and not the Eagles. Maybe within the coaching circle this was seen as a done deal or he knew Fisher (or Trgo) was too much to go up against.
I would buy that Reid, being in the coaching fraternity, believed he had a shot at convincing JF to come on board, especially given the reasons you mentioned — need to reaffirm self as genius in other owners’ eyes. But I find it hard to believe that Fish knew he was gonna walk and it took this long to come about.
It doesn’t make as much sense for the Birds to do a 1-year deal but going all in once is better than nothing.
And I’ll go ahead and get this refrain started … give Fisher Nnamdi and lookout!
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BTW
I know it’s not much, but the official Eagles twitter just tweeted the Clayton remarks about Reid saying job is closed.
That’s big. Unless it was hacked.
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Now actually responding...
I agree in the most part, minus Fisher and the walking. He might not have known, but he might have had an idea, and the coaches around him might have had one as well.
I mean Washburn was reportedly on the Eagles radar, and within a day, hired. That’s a pretty decent turn around for rumor-hiring.
I’d appreciate a 2 year stint with him grooming a replacement, but honestly, I’d take a year of him with a solid—new—system in place over than not having him.
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I said the same thing about the two-year stint
In that time, two job cycles will open up, or he can groom the guy from within.
And Fisher can do like Cowher and just have his choice of situations.
I also think we’re underestimating how exhausting being an NFL HC can be. A year off might be great, but stepping back to DC and doing what you (hopefully) really love … kinda makes sense.
I obviously need to wait for something to break here. Because I’m just fanning the flames as it were
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Why I don't see it..
The only thing that doesn’t add up for me is why Fisher would leave a head job to be a DC.
You look at the coaches that have been with a team for a long time, and almost all without fail take at least a year off before coaching again. I’d really be surprised if I see Fisher on the sideline in any capacity next year.
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I think a year off is definitely possible
but not all coaches are cut from the same cloth. You see when Singletary joined Frazier’s staff in Minnesota?
Eh, tried to Google the quote … anyway he said in response to be asked about taking a year off, something like: “A year? Three weeks was enough for me. I’m refreshed. I’m ready to get back to work.”
I could see Fisher saying that. But who knows?
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The difference there is that Singletary wasn't HC for 16 years with SF
I’m not saying that he won’t coach this year, just that I would be surprised. Usually coaches going that long take time off to recharge before diving back into it.
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Damn internet
headline now obsolete lol
Eagles Defensive Coordinator Search: Thursday Brings No News
Phones must be ringing off the hook at NovaCare. (yeah I’m pretending people are still there at 9 p.m. and that reporters don’t call GMs’ cell phones)
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Maybe they are smarter than we thought
Maybe this is why they have been so hushhush and laidback about the position….to avoid the whole tampering ,collusion thing…..explains why washburn was hired before a coordinator….i think fisher gets a assistant head coach tag, shit load of cash and a future head coach nod…..lets do this
Jeff Fisher
Would be a masterstroke and I normally am a bit more reserved. You have a guy with a proven track record as a defensive coordinator, knows his DE line coach, and likely makes the secondary/LB coaching positions more desirable.
Normally you're more critical
But honesty makes your praise more believable.
Definitely the experience, the toughness factor, even that he knows how to deal with Philly. I can’t see how this would be bad, and since all the HCs have been hired for this year, it might be a stroke of luck for us.
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Looks like you posted this a tad too early.
Thursday brings, "EaglesInsider Clayton added that Andy Reid has told candidates for the defensive coordinator position in the past few hours that he has closed the job.
29 minutes ago "
I don’t know whether to be excited or not. Fisher would be a 1 year patchwork deal… but a hell of a lot better than Mora/Jauron/etc.
AR needs to go!!!
he has no plan… he can’t judge talent… he can’t draft for s***… time to move on!!!!
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pete the heat is your brother, right?
grew up in Pa. lived there for 40 years but my job has taken me deep into the swamps of louisiana where all you here is "who dat" who dat" and on clear nights when the wind is gently blowing from the northwest you can hear the wimpers and sobs of jerry and his herd of cowgirls.
by eagleflownsouth on Jan 27, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Dennis Thurman is the way to go! Thurman is a great coach and knows his football. He would surely help our defense reach the next level. Lets get him before the cardinals do.
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