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What a move, nabbing the best DL coach in the entire league. Here is why it’s such a FANTASTIC move:

1. The Eagles DTs fit the 1 gap scheme

2. The Eagles have a bunch of pass rushing talent that needs developing

3. Jim Washburn is a great coach and mentor to his players. Need proof? His players will follow him. 

4. A great pass rush is the easiest way to getting a great defense. 

5. The NFC East has changed and Washburn's schemes fit the new NFC East. 

 

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1. The Eagles Defensive Tackles Are a Better Fit For a 1 Gap Scheme

Remember how we were always complaining about the 2 gap scheme, square peg round hole, etc. etc? Well its over. I'd argue that the issues with the 2 gap system were overblown but what can't be argued is that Eagles defensive tackles, more specifically Brodrick Bunkley, Trevor Laws and Mike Patterson are much better fits for a 1 gap scheme. 

Lets start with Brodrick Bunkley. At Florida State Bunkley was put into a 1 gap system and in Bunkley’s junior year (his last year), Bunkley registered 9 sacks and 25 TFL, those are incredible pass rushing numbers. To put that into context lets compare that to some other great DT prospects:

Brodrick Bunkley: 66 tackles, 9 sacks and 25 TFL

Ndamukong Suh: 85 tackles, 12 sacks and 20.5 TFL

Nick Fairley: 60 tackles, 11.5 sacks and 24 TFL

Brodrick Bunkley was an animal at the college level.

Check out this old scouting report of Brodrick Bunkley. He was projected to be an UT in the NFL in a 1 gap scheme where he could use his supreme athleticism to get after the QB but he was cast as a 2 gap NT under Jim Johnson and Pete Jenkins. Brodrick Bunkley never really developed any pass rushing moves other than a bull rush and because he wasn’t allowed to fire up field this really hurt him, in a 2 gap scheme pass rushing moves are an absolute must have and Bunkley never developed any that he could use with any consistency. Now he gets to work with the man that coached up Albert Haynesworth, Jason Jones, Tony Brown and Randy Starks. Brodrick Bunkley’s stock is up.

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How many of you remember Mike Patterson as a prospect? He was small, undersized and quick; heralded as a great penetrator and nicknamed ‘Baby Sapp’. How many of you remember Mike Patterson as a rookie? As a rookie he played in a 1 gap system under Tommy Brasher and he registered 3.5 sacks, 8 TFL and forced fumble. Mike Patterson was then asked to gain weight under Pete Jenkins and while Mike Patterson was more than solid the past few years, one thing is clear, Mike Patterson was an impact player when playing in a 1 gap scheme. Here is an excerpt from his scouting report (do not click, pop ups ensue!) coming into the NFL:

Mike Patterson has been a part of arguably the best defensive line in college football the past two seasons at USC. Last year as a junior, Patterson totaled 55 tackles, 13.5 for loss, 7 sacks, and 3 fumble recoveries. The 13.5 tackles for loss were the most by a USC defensive lineman since Darrell Russell in 1996, and Russell went on to be the 2nd overall pick in the draft. His sophomore season, Patterson notched 37 tackles, 11.5 for loss, 5.5 sacks, and 4 fumble recoveries. Patterson has a defensive touchdown in each of those seasons. His 3 year totals at USC are 101 tackles, 30 tackles for loss, 15.5 sacks, and 9 fumble recoveries.

Patterson has amazing quickness off the line. There isn’t a defensive lineman in college football that explodes off the line the way Patterson does. Patterson’s game is penetration. He routinely slips through the offensive line to put pressure on the QB or to disrupt the running play. Patterson has the agility and quickness to stunt well, and move laterally along the line. Patterson was a high school wrestler, and it helped him learn how important leverage is. He can get up under you before you have a chance to block him. He displays the toughness and killer attitude on the field that all the great ones have. Off it, he is the exact opposite, but he still maintains the work ethic to improve his game.

Mike Patterson goes by the nickname "Baby Sapp," and it definitely fits. That’s who his game most resembles.

Mike Patterson needs to lose that weight, get back to 295 (he has to be at about 315-320 at this point, the man is huge) and start attacking gaps and getting back to what he is known for. Mike Patterson’s stock is up.

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Trevor Laws has to be jumping for joy, pass rushing has never been the problem for him, the reason he is a situational player is because he didn’t fit the 2 gap scheme, he is a penetrator. He is coming off a season where he registered 4 sacks and 1 TFL as a part time player in a scheme that didn’t fit him. He is another Mike Patterson type player, in Laws’ last year at Notre Dame he notched 4 sacks, 7 pressures, 8 TFL, 3 blocked kicks and 5 passes defensed. The guy is without a doubt a great fit for a gap shooting defense.

The guys who are hurt by this move are Antonio Dixon and Jeff Owens. Antonio Dixon was a rising star as a 2 gap DT but now he will likely be used as a situational run stuffer ala Hollis Thomas when Corey Simon and Darwin Walker were around. Jeff Owens is as good as gone though, he was once a pretty decent pass rusher but after knee surgery on a torn ACL he lost a lot of his quickness and was a one dimensional run stopper and he just tore his patellar tendon, he is finished in Philly.

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2. The Eagles have a bunch of pass rushing talent that needs developing

Kyle Vanden-Bosch, Jevon Kearse, Juqua Parker, Jason Babin, Dave Ball and others are all listed on Washburn’s resume. The Eagles have invested a bunch of resources into the defensive line as of late and they’ve got nothing to show for it, I guarantee that ends this year under Washburn.

Brandon Graham’s stock just went through the roof. Jim Washburn has worked wonders on players with significantly less talent than Brandon Graham. I’m dying to see what Brandon Graham can do under Jim Washburn, who knows how good Graham is going to be now.

Daniel Te’o-Neshiem is saved. The athleticism is there for Te’o and he has the work ethic but unfortunately for him Sean McDermott and Rory Segrest can’t coach a DL to save their lives.

Darryl Tapp and Trent Cole both stand to benefit from this as well.

Victor Abiamiri flashed at the end of the 2009 season before he hurt his knee and we know how physically talented he is and now for the first time in his career he will get competent coaching. It’s a long shot but Victor Abiamiri is so talented and Jim is so good at developing talent.

Ricky Sapp was as good as gone under McDermott. Ends under McDermott were asked to defend the run much better than normal ends were and the splits weren’t terribly wide on the defensive line. Now, in comes Jim Washburn who splits his ends out very wide to have them fly up the field and get to the corner and suddenly Ricky Sapp is a great fit in Philadelphia.

Look at this: Link

Pass Rush/Blitz: Natural pass rusher. Experienced standing up and with his hand on the ground. Explosive burst and good flexibility to get under the tackle's reach and around the edge. Active hands and a good swim move to get past the initial blocker. Lacks strength to bull rush NFL offensive tackles. Relies on his agility to get past the blocker. Struggles to disengage once tied up.

In other words, a perfect fit for Washburn’s reckless pass rushing, split out wide scheme that he runs. Fun fact, Sapp ran a 10.76 100 meter dash in high school, CJ Spiller ran a 10.59 in college. Sapp is a freak athlete, comparable to Jevon Kearse and now we get the guy who turned Jevon Kearse into an all-pro.

The Eagles had the talent, it was just a matter of getting someone who could coax it out of them and now they do in Jim Washburn.

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3. Jim Washburn is a great coach and mentor to his players. Need proof? His players will follow him. 

Jim Washburn is loved by his players and that is a great sign. Here is your proof:

Jason Babin said "It stinks that he’s leaving. He’s the greatest position coach I’ve ever had" and "There’s been no 'Hey Jason, we want you in Philly' discussions, but it would be hard for me not to contemplate it."

That’s right, Jason Babin is more than willing to follow Washburn to Philadelphia and Babin loves Washburn so much that when Babin goes to the probowl he is bringing Washburn and his family with him. This is important because Babin is an UFA this offseason.

Also the Eagles just became the favorites to land Albert Haynesworth, Albert Breer of the NFL Network said "if they set him free, I bet Albert would walk up I-95 to Philly..." Washburn is the one guy who Albert Haynesworth loves as a coach.

And guys like Dave Ball are distraught on the Titans now, "He will definitely be missed. He had a crazy, intense passion for coaching d-line I’d never seen before"

And when Jevon Kearse needed a team after the Eagles cut him where did he go? Back to Washburn.

Players follow him, he is sort of like the Kevin Garnett of the NFL, he has a following and now that Washburn is here the Eagles might be the favorites to add Babin and Haynesworth this offseason. 

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4. A great pass rush is the easiest way to getting a great defense. 

What is the easiest way to a great defense? A great pass rush. There is a direct correlation between pass rush and defense, turn over’s and scoring defense. I don’t really have the time to really investigate and prove this to you but it is. Three of the top five defenses this year were also top 5 in sacks. Just ask the 2008 New York Giants, they didn’t have a ton of talent in the back half of that defense but the pass rush covered them up. Having a great defensive line will help cover up the back half of the defense. This is common football knowledge.

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5. The NFC East has changed and Washburn's schemes fit the new NFC East. 

 Gone are the days of smash mouth football in the NFC East. You all remember the glory days of the NFC East right? The times where we had to go up against this: 

Tiki Barber is gone and Marion Barber, Brandon Jacobs and Clinton Portis all suck now. There are still some guys who are good like Ahmad Bradshaw and Felix Jones but they aren’t the ground and pound types of the Bill Parcells era NFC East.

Suddenly, Jason Garrett takes over the Cowboys (he likes to pass), Mike Shannahan goes to the Redskins (one of the pass happiest coaches in the league) and the Giants have Eli Manning. Things are changing fast, no longer are we the grind it out through tough, physical, in the trenches play. Now, the NFC East is a high flying offensive division where defenses come to die.

What am I getting at? Well that old system, the 2 gap system is designed to stop the run and when it was put in place the Eagles were dealing with some very powerful in division running attacks whereas now the Eagles are dealing with high powered passing attacks and pressure on the QB is paramount in terms of importance.

The teams have traded out Marion Barber, Brandon Jacobs, Tiki Barber and Clinton Portis in favor of Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb (who was supposed to help the Redskins passing attack but in the end he didn’t), Tony Romo, Hakeem Nicks, Steve Smith, Mario Manningham, Dez Bryant and Miles Austin.

The NFC East changed and Jim Washburn fits the new NFC East far better than Pete Jenkins and his disciple (that tard known as Rory Segrest) do. Not to mention he is a better coach anyways.

This is one hell of a move by Andy Reid, one hell of a move.

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Good stuff.

I was about to write this exact article.

Can’t fucking wait for training camp now. Hope Graham gets better fast.

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by DSmith215 on Jan 19, 2011 9:03 PM EST reply actions  

Its funy

I was thinkig “man the Titans get a hell of a lot of production from their d line their d line coach must be sick.”

a few months later — hes ours. I can’t think of any other coach i would want right now

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by Joe_D on Jan 19, 2011 9:05 PM EST reply actions  

And even more good news… we don’t have to worry about a coach tearing an ACL and missing the season!

by MikeCampy on Jan 20, 2011 4:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I can’t think of any other coach i would want right now

Dick Lebeau, Jim Johnson, Dom Capers, Rex Ryan (as DC)….

Other than them, I agree. As far as positional coaches go, he’s clearly one of the best in the biz.

by Smitty2K3 on Jan 20, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

How does this affect the LB corp?

Cause it could be a double edged sword

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by Udalango on Jan 19, 2011 9:08 PM EST reply actions  

Well we only installed a 2 gap scheme in 2006 so its not like this is some major change. Basically the guys just take on some more blockers and the safeties might get some more action. You need to shoot the right gaps, keep contain and don’t over-pursue plays. Jeremiah Trotter thrived in this system, taking on all the action that Corey Simon and Darwin Walker left behind.

Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 19, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I know im just saying with our current set of LBs

Sims over pursues like a mutha fucker and has a hard time shedding blocks. Big Stew has had one real great year in 08 and hasnt been able to replicate it. PArtly due to injury. And he was here in 07 so wasnt here for the 1 gap. Chaney looked good but if they keep Stew at MLB what do you do with Jamar? Fokou could do well. Idk I just dont want it to shoot us somewhere else
I say move Stu and put Jamar at MLB so its Stu-Jamar-Fokou

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by Udalango on Jan 19, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

With Washburn around

Our LBs will have a much harder go of it. Sims is as good as gone.

We might have to move Bradley to SAM if he comes back. Washburn’s schemes make the SAM have to shed a whole damn lot of blocks.

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by DSmith215 on Jan 19, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I sure fucking hope so

SIms was a huge dissapointment. I hope we get a DC who is willing to structure his defense with Washburns help instead of asking washburn to change everything

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by Udalango on Jan 19, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm guessing ...

that Washburn was brought in because of his aggressive style and not to adapt.

Go Eagles!

by MRPH on Jan 19, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Ernie Sims is gone, that was McDermott’s guy.
Fokou is pretty good at taking on blocks, he has the right temperament and long arms.
Stewart at WLB? Is that what you mean? I don’t like that idea at all.

Personally I would go with:
Clayton-Bradley-Fokou

And then start Chaney at MLB in 2012 when he starts grasping the NFL passing game, he was pretty bad in coverage late in the year, he gets turned around too easily, he doesn’t get good depth in his drops and he’ll bite on underneath routes which leaves tight ends open over the top. But thats if there is no CBA and they can’t sign free agents.

If there is free agency I hope they let Bradley walk and sign David Harris. Then sign Ryan Harris at RT (he’ll be relatively cheap and he is a very capable pass blocker) and draft a CB in the first round (Jimmy Smith, Aaron Williams or Brandon Burton).

Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 19, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah meant Stu at SAM like Dsmith said

Stu is too slow to be the WLB I think Stu would be at least twice as good at the Sam.

As for keeping Chaney on the pine for so long. I think it all depends on this offseason and training camp. I really like Chaney and his potential.

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by Udalango on Jan 19, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too, I just think he has a lot to learn still and I believe that if Stewart Bradley was in against Minnesota, we win that game but thats just me. Chaney played better than I expected but he still is so undeveloped in terms of pass coverage.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 19, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed and its just cause Stu has the experiance factor.

I actually think Jamar is the better player he is just raw. He more than exceeded my expectations. I would like to find a way to get both Chaney and Stu on the feild at the same time which is why i was thinking Stu-Jamar-Fokou and if i have that backwards whoops I think Stu at SAM

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by Udalango on Jan 19, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

re: David Harris

The Jets will never, never, never let him leave. He drives their entire interior defense.

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by DSmith215 on Jan 19, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This will hurt Chaney

He doesn’t shed blocks to well.

Granted he’s a rookie, but still, WLB would be a nice fit because a lot of those linemen would be covered and it would allow him to fly around making plays.

by stash600 on Jan 19, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn’t shed blocks well? Haha, how was he our leading tackler in like every game he started? He is excellent at shedding blocks and tackling the ball carrier. Pass coverage is his only weakness and it’s fixable in the off season. He could play MIKE or WILL.

by Route36 on Jan 20, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah dude.

How else do you think he kept stuffing Brandon Jacobs behind or at the line of scrimmage in the second Giants game?

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by DickMuffin on Jan 20, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Ehh, Chaney needs to work on shedding blocks, he's not as bad as

Stash makes him out to be, and not as good as you make him out to be.

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by wild_eagle on Jan 20, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

But can they afford to keep him?

They just paid Ferguson, Revis and Mangold a ton of money, they’ve got Mark Sanchez’s top 5 money and they have Santonio Holmes and Braylon Edwards contracts expiring.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 19, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I really don't want harris

he SUCKS at coverage. He’s stout in the running game, but I think we have better coverage guys.

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by number5 on Jan 19, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice effin post man.

You guys are really bringing it with the posts so far this early Philadelphia Offseason. Not a lot of conjecture and hope…but informational with links and videos. The only part missing is when you ask me for my credit card number!

Really good shit guys.

by Qwest on Jan 19, 2011 9:09 PM EST reply actions  

One thing that worries me though...

…is if this guy is such a good DLine coach, why is he not even being mentioned as a DCoordinator? Maybe he is in his niche and wants to stay there, but he took a job as a DLine coach with a vacancy at DCoordinator. That worries me a bit.

by Qwest on Jan 19, 2011 9:11 PM EST reply actions  

Not postitive

But i think he’s said in the past he didn’t want to run the whole defense. He’s definitely been considered in the past.

by Mc5 on Jan 19, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He doesn't want it.

He’s said in the past that he’s been offered coordinator jobs and what he likes to do is coach the defensive line. He’s a niche guy and wants to stay that way.

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by DSmith215 on Jan 19, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Great post

I’m very excited to see our line at work. And with our first round pick probably going defense (CB i hope). I see this team possibly being over the hump next year.

by jho on Jan 19, 2011 9:11 PM EST reply actions  

Another good write-up man

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by groot on Jan 19, 2011 9:21 PM EST reply actions  

Well now

I’m fkin pumped. Can next season start already? Haha

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by ForTheLove on Jan 19, 2011 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry.

There’s not going to be a next season. It’s CBA time. The greed zombies are breaking free and it’s going to be a long, bloody war.

by IggleGreen on Jan 20, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

BGN = Overreaction Nation

And that’s not a slight towards you, djack. You always do an awesome job with your write-ups and this one is no exception. Great work as usual.

But we do tend to say everyhting is “the greatest/worst thing that’s ever happened” immediately after it happens. Whether it’s the celebration of the Tapp trade or the Harrison trade or this signing, or the “this game is over reaction” as soon as we have a bad drive in a game, or the anger after we didn’t take Earl Thomas in the draft, we tend to overreact to everything here. In this case I’m super excited about this move and couldn’t be happier with the FO’s decision here — but we were pretty excited about Sims too and we saw how that worked out. Hopefully this is as good as it looks!

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by DeSean10 on Jan 19, 2011 9:29 PM EST reply actions  

The title of the post was really there just to draw people in, grab their attention. The article itself is more why I think its a very good hire with much less absolutes than the title would imply.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 19, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh absolutely. I really didn’t mean to direct that at you because like I said, your post was (as usual) in-depth and analytical. But a lot of people have been making this out to be the best thing since Jesus’ resurrection. And hopefully that’s not far from the truth, but the overreactions around here do tend to run rampant, lol.

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by DeSean10 on Jan 19, 2011 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally agree with you for the most part but what grabs the readers attention more? “The Best Hire Since Jim Johnson” or “My Opinion On Jim Washburn”, gotta get the people here to read what I write.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 19, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I think at this point you have a "REadable" reputation.

People are goin gto come to your posts even if they are named “im right your wrong”

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by Udalango on Jan 19, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but “I’m right your wrong” is the most attention-grabbing title there is. you just know they’re gonna be fun, lol.

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by DeSean10 on Jan 19, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You don’t need a good title because your shit gets rec’d like a motherfucker, haha. Good stuff. I honestly got pumped right now at midnight, reading this after work. Imagine we get Babin and Haynesworth! We don’t need them really. I fully expect our current D-linemen to be much , much more affective next season.

by Route36 on Jan 20, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Fat Man and Bunkley aren’t young kids anymore and suddenly aren’t going to turn into pass-rushing machines. DTO still has alot to prove and Graham is a huge question mark next year because of his health status. There is some talent though to work with on the DL.

DJack had a solid post though. This is the 2nd yr in a row where the Eagles went out and got one of the best coaches at the position where they had a noted deficiency. Hard to be anything but happy with this move. Shows me there was an issue & Eagles likely paid a decent buck to address it by bringing in a solid coach with stellar credentials.

by MG77 on Jan 19, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Bravissimo

Splendid, for real. If you were to produce a movie containing the information in that post, man, I’d pay the twelve bucks. Even if it had Kevin James and Vince Vaugn in it. I wonder if Haynesworth were brought in which of the pretty good DTs on the team already would be out.

by Disposable Hero on Jan 19, 2011 9:40 PM EST reply actions  

Damn this was an awesome post to read LOL, I'm almost in envy

Though I’d have to disagree on some points. I don’t understand why a player isn’t pass rushing as well as he should (or in this case, underachieving their talents) because he plays in a 2-gap system. 2-gap system is more about the run then it is about the pass. Obviously in a 2-gap system you have to put on weight but can adding 10-15 pounds of mass REALLY make a great pass rusher out of college with a lot of potential into an underachieving one? That’s a little homerish for me. I doubt playing in a one-gap system, losing a couple of pounds will make talent like trevor laws and mike patterson suddenly all-stars. Pass rushing is not only about mass — if you can gain bulk you usually don’t lose your quickness so I doubt we will see that much of a significant defense from this year. I think, even gaining bulk for a 2-gap system, these eagles defenders still possess a lot of quickness. What about pass rush moves? Leverage? Counter moves? Motor? Consistency? Not to say the eagles pass rushers lack these qualities, but I’m not completely convinced if they suddenly drop their weight they regain their quickness and become great pass rushers. Quickness simply isnt everything pass-rushing wise and it’s even up for debate that these pass rushers lost their quickness in the first place by gaining weight. Maybe slightly — but not by a large margin. Plus its the right thing to do because undersized, quick defensive lineman always struggle against the run (I.E : Brandon graham)

Secondly, this 1-gap system also threatens new issues for the eagles. The eagles for the most part has been solid against the run with their two-gap system. When they usually give up big plays in the running game its because players dont stay in their gaps and LB Ernie Sims was the absolute worst at that. Sims had a horrible tendency to overrun plays. Going back to a 1-gap system, the eagles may have more trouble in run defense especially given their talent. It’s great being quick when you’re rushing the passer but it means nothing when your trying to get leverage at the point of attack because you are naturally undersized. Brandon graham is the prime example, he’s a much better fit in a 1-gap system but he played in the eagles 2-gap and I assume he did not gain enough mass to fit that system in only one training camp. Because of that, he struggled a LOT at the point of attack against the run. Going back to a 1-gap means he’ll rush the passer at a high level but he may continue to struggle against the run. Overall the majority of the eagles pass rushers are extremely quick but undersized. They may struggle in run defense now that they’ve lost bulk (and understandably gained back their quickness)

I thought the 2-gap system fit the eagles’ talent well because they gain weight, still maintain their quickness, and thus hide their flaws against the run that they had in the first place before they gained bulk. Brandon graham is a prime example as I already mentioned. The main problem with the 2-gap is that the eagles defenders did not lose all their quickness and burst when they put on bulk and pounds, but they lost it to a degree. But again, I’m not convinced thats the only reason why they are underachieving. Graham is already a step above everyone else but when everyone losses bulk and plays in a one-gap, they may struggle against the run (particularly the point of attack). In other words I think the 2-gap system in philly is better than the 1-gap. I predict the Eagles will struggly mightily in run defense if they play in this system next year. In the end maybe we’re not even sure the eagles may consider that

The best thing for the eagles to do overall is change their peronsality when scouting talent. When you draft defensive lineman, draft BIG ones that HAVE quickness instead of drafting undersized players with a lot of quickness (graham) or big, stout defensive lineman that lack quickness (antonio dixon). The main problem with that is that you’re not going to find that lineman anywhere that doesn’t include the top 15 picks. I think the most successful way of drafting lineman is to draft big guys that can collapse and push the pocket but it looks like Andy reid believes in what he wants to believe.

by Nfpdawg on Jan 19, 2011 9:44 PM EST reply actions  

In the 2 gap system the defensive tackles have been taught to look for the run first and then rush the passer. Trevor Laws was asked to shoot gaps when he was in the game and he actually did a very good job. Mike Patterson was a beast in the 1 gap system in college and in his first year. Brodrick Bunkley was just a great athlete in college who got by on athleticism and never really got the opportunity to showcase it in the 2 gap scheme and he never really had good coaching so he never developed any pass rushing moves or counter moves. With a good coach he should be able to get all of the talent out of these guys, Bunkley in terms of pure athleticism is one of the most talented defensive tackles in the NFL.

Brandon Graham improved against the run later in the year but he didn’t play with enough awareness. It wasn’t that he was being pushed around because he is short, stout (278 last we heard) and he benched 225 33 times at the combine. Too often though he was just taking bad angles to the runner, not staying in his gap and just flying up field.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 19, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

It all comes down to 3rd & long IMO

In the end, 2-gap 1-gap the pass rush is the same. You have to rush the passer someway somehow. Whether its by a bull rush, spin move, swim move, arm over, hand swipes, etc. etc. That’s where I feel this whole thing is irrelevant. In this case, due to the fact that the eagles defensive lineman are somewhat undersized (well if they shed weight they gained when they had to adjust to a two-gap) they may struggle at the point of attack against the run. As you said, 2 gap systems is all about run first. One gap system could leave gaping holes vulnerable to the defense. A lineman may go upfield right away and leave a gaping hole behind him on a delayed run.

The 2-gap system fit philly better. Stop the run and rush the passer on 3rd & long using your quickness and talent. All one-gap does is open more oppurtunities to rush the passer but it makes your run defense more vulnerable. Is it worth it? I don’t think so

by Nfpdawg on Jan 19, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I definitely think you’re right on the third down thing. But I know you know as a Giants fan that the Eagles love to send defensive ends inside so that limited the pass rushing opportunities of defensive tackles. In limited time Trevor Laws notched 4 sacks.

And I don’t think the 2 gap system fit better, I think it fit just fine because of the investments the Eagles made in the DL in terms of talent but I think the 1 gap scheme is a better fit.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 19, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Great post

I had no idea about this move, but you did a lot of work and bring a persuasive argument to the table. Very nice job.

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by einman77 on Jan 19, 2011 9:45 PM EST reply actions  

I miss JJ

R.I.P.

UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Udalango on Jan 19, 2011 10:04 PM EST reply actions  

It is a great move.

But he does not have quality defensive line personnel to work with. Bunkley is trash. Patterson is better than Bunkley, but so is everyone. Trevor Laws is a good player. J. Parker is below average. Only Cole stands out as a superior talent. If he can bring someone like Babin with him and keep up the good work he’s done with him, this is a good move. If he can convince Haynesworth to a) come aboard and b) shut the fuck up, then I will confer “best hire since JJ” status on Washburn. If Washburn can get fat Albert to play (and he did before), then I will be impressed.

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by EvilBanner on Jan 19, 2011 10:06 PM EST reply actions  

Bunkley isn’t ‘trash’ he is solid as he is a good run defender but he just never reached his potential, the guy was supposed to be similar to what Suh is for the Lions but all disappointment in him aside he is a solid player and a very good run defender.

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 19, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Sigh, EB. Sigh.

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by DSmith215 on Jan 19, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

really

i dont understand how you can bash bunkley, who is coming off a major injury, and parker below average when he was collecting sacks all over when coming off the bench in place of graham.

by Jeff Sun on Jan 19, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

/irrational hatred

RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
RIP Sean McDermott's job.

by Imp on Jan 19, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Slightly off topic

But I wouldn’t count on Graham playing effectively in 2011, not coming off of the knee injury. It really doesn’t matter who the coach is in that regard. I certainly hope that Reid and company don’t count on it.

2012 sounds more like it.

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by MRPH on Jan 19, 2011 10:13 PM EST reply actions  

You're right.

With a torn ACL DEs are useless for at least a year. No explosion. None.

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by DSmith215 on Jan 19, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

True

I’m starting to think bringing in Babin would be a very smart idea. He could fill in for Graham until he gets his legs back under him.

This depends on what kind of contract he’s asking for though.

by Smitty2K3 on Jan 20, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Bring Babin back. Not sure about Haynesworth, but definitely Babin. Please!

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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 19, 2011 10:30 PM EST reply actions  

Woohoo. The Bobby April-esque signing for the offseason.

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RIP Sean McDermott's job.

by Imp on Jan 19, 2011 10:34 PM EST reply actions  

Are we positive

He’s going to run a one gap scheme before the D Coordinator is hired?

by Dpez71 on Jan 19, 2011 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

Rec'd

fantastic write-up…i got super amped for the season WAY too early!!!!

my only question is going to be the dynamic between Washburn and the yet-to-be-named DC. I’m assuming, Reid and Co. are touting Washburn in his own right almost as a calling card for a new DC, but it will be interesting to see the dynamic that develops. I’ve loved what Washburn has done, but I’m curious if much of the success is also due to the schemes of Jim Schwartz and Chuck Cecil…

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by jalarsen1 on Jan 19, 2011 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

Nice fucking work bro.

I love it…

But I think Dixon is a 1 gap type guy too, he collapses the pocket and he’s quick for a big guy.. I’d like some explanation as to why you think he’s only a 2 gap guy…

And If we land Babin I think we need to slowly bring Graham along.. And if we land Haynesworth probably just trade whichever DT get’s the most worth… and if we land Nnam I’ll piss myself.

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by wild_eagle on Jan 19, 2011 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

But I think Dixon is a 1 gap type guy too, he collapses the pocket and he’s quick for a big guy..

How do you figure? Basically Dixon’s only go-to move is the bull rush. Hell, Andy has touted him (on more than one occasion) as having the best, most-powerful bull rush on the team.

I really like what I’ve seen from Dixon, but I don’t know if he’s necessarily “quick.”

by Smitty2K3 on Jan 20, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

After all the talk about how Jauron was going to save our secondary last year, I’m going to suppress my excitement on this one.

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by no1pipelayer on Jan 19, 2011 11:39 PM EST reply actions  

Mikell and Asante had arguably the best years of their career. Allen was a rookie that was doing great until he got injured and Coleman, a 7th rounder was solid. RCB problem was all Reid. Ellis Hobbs and Patterson? You’re asking for mediocrity.

by Route36 on Jan 20, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, Mcdermott and Rory Segrest didn’t help matters either.

by Route36 on Jan 20, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

So

If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent.

by number5 on Jan 19, 2011 11:49 PM EST reply actions  

having zombie JJ would be better no?

If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent.

by number5 on Jan 19, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Glad to hear people are psyched about this move...

though I’ll hold judgement until I see results. Both Dashier and April came here with similar hype, and yet we’d still probably be better of taking touchbacks on every kickoff return.

by MikeCampy on Jan 20, 2011 6:33 AM EST reply actions  

I think that’s more of a personnel thing. Besides Jackson and Hobbs we really don’t have any good returners, and Jackson doesn’t do kickoffs while most people in nursing homes are healthier than Hobbs.

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by DeSean10 on Jan 20, 2011 8:03 AM EST up reply actions  

With an interior pass rush

watch how good Hanson and Patterson are in coverage. I have said this since Simon was allowed to walk. The Eagles need and inside presence along the defensive line. If Washburn can get the same production out of Bunk that he got out of Haynesworth this defense will be sick. Suddenly the DE are getting one on one matchups and QB are running right into them on the edge. Passes are rushed and instead of sending 6 players to get at the QB your front four get the needed pressure to get off the field.

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by eaglelover1 on Jan 20, 2011 8:20 AM EST reply actions  

Superb Owl = Eagles

Possibly multiple Owls at that.

And yes, I am being serious… I think you guys celebrate at least 1 SB in the next 5 years, and not just due to this move, but an over arching result of good team management by your front office in the past 4 years (getting younger without dropping in talent level).

by brisulph on Jan 20, 2011 8:37 AM EST reply actions  

Bri,

would you please stop the reverse psychology. haha You also kept praising us this year as the eventual super bowl champ and look what happened.

Keep your jinxes to yourself. Haha.

by Smitty2K3 on Jan 20, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I see what I see

and I see the Eagles busting their SB cherry sometime VERY soon.

by brisulph on Jan 21, 2011 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Great post, but...

…I don’t want Haynesworth. That is the only thing I didn’t like. Otherwise, I loved it.

by 999 on Jan 20, 2011 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

I do

Pure talent. Lets give it a shot!

by AZ Eagle on Jan 20, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Pure talent...

That he never uses.

RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
RIP Sean McDermott's job.

by Imp on Jan 20, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Not never, just rarely.

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by DeSean10 on Jan 21, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Brodrick Bunkley was an animal at the college level.

Just like Mike Mamula?

I hope for the best for this DL next year but the IL need a significant upgrade in talent.

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by boknows71 on Jan 20, 2011 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

Great Post

I have to give you credit this was well thought out.

by Two Nickels on Jan 20, 2011 4:46 PM EST reply actions  

As a titans fan

We hate that he left.\
but we wish him the best of luck because now all our coaches are jumping the titanic disaster that is our team

here’s a creepy / funny pick about it http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2011/1/20/1946782/a-story-of-love-that-can-never-be-broken#comments

but we all miss him already

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by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Jan 21, 2011 1:23 AM EST reply actions  

Haha “Titanic.”

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by DeSean10 on Jan 21, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

We thought the same thing about Babin, Ball and Vanden-Bosch too…

Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *

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by d-jackfan10 on Jan 21, 2011 3:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Te'o is raw.

He’s got the size and the ability.. he needs to adjust to the pro game and spend some time learning.

There’s nothing to save, you act as if he’s McDougle who did nothing for 5 years..

There’s no saving Te’o, just developing.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jan 21, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Reid

Love to see Reid draft a D lineman bigger than him,but he would have to go to Japan for a sumo wrestler

by Pete the Heat on Jan 25, 2011 5:32 PM EST reply actions  

Shut up.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jan 25, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

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