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The 3-4 in Midnight Green?

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While I myself was part of giving McDermott one more shot, I wasn't as heartbroken as others. McDermott's lackluster numbers (whether its the players fault or not) were not acceptable for a play-off team. Look around, the remaining teams are all ranked in the top ten on defense. Ne need to get this fixed.

There are many candidates and little information that has been released on who is being interview. This post isn't about who is the coordinator, rather if (insert name here) decides to run a 3-4, will it work with what is in place now. Is Reid's roster current roster able to convert from a 4-3 to a 3-4 well? 

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For those who are unfamiliar to the 3-4 defense here is a link for more information

http://football.about.com/cs/a/34defense.htm

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/154930-3-4-defense-the-two-sided-sword

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=smith_michael&id=1946758

Here is a brief summary

 

  • In a 3-4 there are 2 defensive ends lining up on either the tackles or the guard. There is one defensive tackle or nose tackle that usually line up on the center. There are 4 line-backers that occasionally line up on the line of scrimmage.
  • 3-4 was created in the 40's by Bud Wilkinson in college. Implemented in the pro's by Chuck Fairbanks with New England in 1974.
  • THE EXACT PERSONNEL IS NEEDED FOR IT TO WORK WELL. Get it right you have a Steelers or Packer defense. Get it wrong, you have a Browns, Broncos, and Redskins defense.

So what is needed? Let's look at some of the best defenses today that use the 3-4 effectively. The teams chosen were all in the top ten in defense. 6/10 of the top ten run a 3-4. The Chargers, Steelers, Packers, Ravens, and Jets all run them well. Let's look at their front seven.

Starting Defensive Ends (Tackles, Sacks, FF, INT)

Ryan Pickett (32, 1.0, 0, 0) Cullen Jenkins* (18, 7.0, 0, 0) 

Ziggy Hood* (20, 3.0, 1, 0) Brett Keisel* (37, 3.0, 2, 1)

Corey Redding (38, 3.0, 0, 0) Haloti Ngata (68, 5.5, 0, 0)

Jacques Cesaire (31, 1.5, 0, 0) Luis Castillo (28, 7.5, 0, 0)

Shaun Ellis (36, 4.5, 1, 0) Mike Devito (59, 0, 2, 0)

Average Tackle: 36.7, Avg Sack: 3.5

*= they did not participate in all 16 games

The misconception of 3-4 DE having little impact is huge. They need a decent amount of tackles and sacks. The only DL for the eagles to have close to that average in tackles besides T. Cole is Mike Patterson, and he only has 2 sacks. It is also important to note that each team had at least 1 DE with 3 or more sacks. Cullen Jenkins really impressed me this season with his pass-rush, he had 7 sacks in 9 games.   

Starting Nose Tackles (Tackles, Sacks, FF, INT)

Bj Raji (39, 6.5, 0, 0)

Casey Hampton (20, 1.0, 1, 0)

Kelly Greg (39, 0, 0, 0)

Antonio Garay (47, 5.5, 0, 0)

Sione Puha (59, 2.0, 0, 0)

Avg Tackle: 40.8, Avg Sack: 3.0

The Nose Tackle really is the heart of the 3-4. You must have a guy that can penetrate and work against the center and guards. They have to make lots of tackles and Mike Patterson had the 30 tackles. Not a good sign for a NT.

Starting Outside Linebackers (Tackles, Sacks, FF, INT)

Clay Matthews (60, 13.5, 2, 1) Frank Zombo* (33, 4, 2, 0)

Lamar Woodley (68, 10, 3, 3) James Harrison (100, 10.5, 6, 2)

Terrell Suggs (55, 11, 2, 0) Jared Johnson (77, 1.5, 2,0)

Shaun Philips (55, 11, 0, 1) Antwann Applewhite (43, 3.0, 2, 0)

Bryant Thomas (39, 6, 1, 0) Calvin Pace (51, 5.5, 1, 1) Jason Taylor (36, 5.0, 2, 0)

Avg Tackle: 56, Avg Sack: 6.5

These are your bread and butter guys in the 3-4, dominate pass-rushers and flat to hook cover-guys. You need at least one guy to bring the heat for it to be successful. Having a successful defensive line and linebacker core rotation can be huge. The Jets have the best one. And look where they are now.

Starting Middle Linebackers (Tackles, Sacks, FF, INT)

Aj Hawk (111, .5,  0, 3) Desmond Bishop (103, 3, 2, 1)

James Farrior (109, 6.0, 1, 0) Lawrence Timmons (100, 10.5 6, 2)

Ray Lewis (145, 2, 2, 2) Jamel McClain (91, 1, 0, 0)

Brandon Siler* (44, 1, 0, 1) Kevin Burnett (95, 6, 2, 2)

Bart Scott (81, 1, 1, 0) David Harris (99, 3.0, 1, 0)
Avg Tackle: 97.8, Avg Sacks: 3.4

The most notable thing is the difference of sacks between the outside and middle backers. However, the middle backers MUST be tackling machines, and are responsible like a Tampa Two middle backer in coverage. But the biggest thing is being the "man" in the running game. What was also interesting was the average at was rounded to 28, which is middle of the road, reaching the age where you are becoming less of an impact player because of the number "30".
In the secondary you need man-to-man guys with an impact safety. 6 out of 10 defenses that led the NFL in INT's were 3-4's (Browns were one of those teams with 18). Out of the top 10 defenses that allowed the fewest points this season 6 ran a 3-4. Out of the top ten defenses that allowed the fewest yards, four were 3-4. Man-to-Man guys for the Green Bay Packers are Charles Woodson and Tramon Willams with an impact safety with Nick Collins. The Ravens have Josh Wilson and Ed Reed. The Steelers have Ike Taylor and Troy Polamalu. The Chargers have Quintin Jammers, Antoine Cason, and Eric Weedle. The Jets have 4 good corners, and one of the best combo's in Revis and Cromartie with a healthy Jim Leonard. All of these teams have a good to above average secondary.

Quick Recap

  • Penetrating and Tackling machine NT
  • Pass Rushing OLB
  • Tackling Machines at MLB
  • Man-to-Man CB's
  • Impact FS/SS

Now, how does a 4-3 team that changes their scheme to a 3-4 in their first year do? Two teams that recently did, the Packers in 2009 and Redskins this year.

2008 Packers

 

  • 20th total defense
  • Pts/G 23.8
  • Total Points 380
  • Yds per Game 334.3
  • Yds/P 5.3
  • 3RD Percentage 38
  • TD/INT: 22/22
  • 20+ plays 39
  • Avg Rush 4.6
  • Total Rushing 2,105

2009 Packers

  • 2nd total defense
  • Pts/G 18.6
  • Total Points 297
  • Yds per Game 284.4
  • Yds/P 4.8
  • 3RD Percentage 36
  • TD/INT 29/30
  • 20+ plays 49
  • Avg Rush 3.6
  • Total Rushing 1,333

Based on these stats the Packers when from middle in the road to top ten.
2009 Redskins

  • 10th total defense
  • Pts/G 21
  • Total Points 336
  • Yds per Game 319.1
  • Yds/P 5.1
  • 3RD Percentage 40
  • TD/INT 19/11
  • 20+ plays 41
  • Avg Rush 4.0
  • Total Rushing 1,799

2010 Redskins

  • 31st total defense
  • Pts/G 123.6
  • Total Points 377
  • Yds per Game 389.2
  • Yds/P 5.9
  • 3RD Percentage 35
  • TD/INT 23/14
  • 20+ plays 57 (note, the Eagles probably inflated this number)
  • Avg Rush 4.6
  • Total Rushing 2,014

Long story short, not pretty. A lack of the correct personnel and the right coordinator is at fault. Their secondary was horrible.
So in your first year, you get the two extremes, either the best or the worst. The right coordinator and personnel are the key.
So how did the transition effect each teams best pass-rusher? How did it effect their best CB? Enter Aaron Kampman, 9th year vet out of Iowa. He was the packers best pass-rusher for most of the decade. His best years were in 2006 and 2007 posting 15.5 and 12 sack seasons. Entering the 3-4 his stats were 

  • 16 games
  • 62 tackles
  • 9.5 sacks

Unfortunately, he did not play the entire 2009 season due to a ACL tear. Here are his numbers.

  • 9 games
  • 42 tackles
  • 3.5 sacks

So I had go use math to figure out his season stats for 2009. He averaged 4.67 tackles per game and .389 sacks. So his numbers would have looked like if he continued that season.

  • 74.67 tackles
  • 6.2 sacks

Looking at those numbers, one would think that he had a good season. However, it would be one of his average seasons. He has had more tackles in 2005 and 2006 while having more sacks in 2005-2008. His year, he again only played 8 games due to a ACL tear. These would be his numbers with the Jags in a full season. 50 tackles and 8 sacks.

Andre Carter had a great season last year with the Redskins posting 11 sacks and 62 tackles. However this season, he played at 16 games, but only started 5 games. Carter hasn't started around 5 games since 2004, when he was with the 49ers and only played 7 games that season. In almost three full seasons when playing in a 3-4 with the 49ners, Carter posted over 7 sacks and 50 tackles. This year when starting only 5 games Carter had

  • 44 tackles 
  • 2.5 sacks

Based on these two players, having a 4-3 DE move to 3-4 OLB is much harder than just switching their position like in madden. Their numbers do drop considerably. However, I'm not saying it's impossible and numbers aren't everything. Let's look if CB's have the same problems.

Charles Woodson is an impact player, and a true man-to-man cover guy that is needed in a 3-4. Here where his 08 numbers. He had a solid year in 2008 with 62 tackles, 7 picks, 2 TD's, and 3 sacks. However in 2009 he had 74 tackles, 9 picks, 3 TD's, 4 FF, and 2 sacks. That year he was presented Defensive MVP. And this year he had 92 tackles!

DeAngleo Hall is the best CB for the Redskins, he has Samuel -like abilities to bait the QB and make them pay. In 2009 the has 58 tackles and 4 INT's. That is a decent year and it should be noted that he didn't play a full-season. Here are his numbers this year. 95 tackles, 6 INT's, 1 TD, and 2 FF. Those gain in numbers are Woodson like impact. He had a better season in a 3-4.

Let's see Asante's last season with a 3-4 team the Patriots. 44 tackles, 6 INTS, and 1 TD in 2007. His best year was in 2006 where surprisingly he had 64 tackles and 10 picks. So a DB generally befits from the switch where as a pass rusher sometimes struggles.

So how would the Eagles look as a 3-4 team. Using the numbers and keys to a 3-4 ahead and the Players we have now(so we would not resign anybody that is a FA right now) I have placed players in positions they would fit in based on their stats from this year.

DE: Antiono Dixon (30 tackles, 2 sacks, 3 fumble recoveries), Mike Patterson (37 tackles, 2 sacks)

NT: Trevor Laws (15 tackles, 4 sacks)

OLB: Trent Cole (65 tackles, 10 sacks, 2 pass delections), Darryl Tapp (28 tackles, 3 sacks)/Brandon Graham (13 tackles, 3.0 sacks, 2 FF)

MLB: Mosie Foku (51 tackles, 1 sack), Jammar Chanley (42 tackles, 1 pass deflections, 1 FF)

CB Asante Samuel (26 tackles, 14 pass deflections, 7 INT"s, 1 F Rec), Dimitri Patterson (52 tackles, 1 sack, 11 Pass deflections, 4 INT's, 1 TD)

FS Nate Allen (48 tackles, 2 sacks, 8 pass delfections, 3 INT's, 2 FF)

SS Kurt Coleman ( 26 tackles, 1 INT)

Looking at this roster, we would need a Nose Tackle, a MLB, a impact S, a shut-down corner, and a DE. To me that's a lot of missing pieces and we could possibly need a OLB. I think we have more pieces to a 4-3 that a 3-4. Therefore, a change to a 3-4 would be a bad idea all around for the Eagles.  Why can't this be so easy like in Madden?

Edit note: Shout out to Udalango for some grammar help!

Poll
With this info about 3-4's and with Number5's player scenario, would switching to a 3-4 defense a smart and effective change?
Yes
17 votes
No
104 votes
Yes, But we re-sign some of our current Eagle players to do this (please explain below)
9 votes

130 votes | Poll has closed

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Will never understand this infatuation with the 3-4

We do not have the players for it and doing such a ridiculous over haul is very hit or miss usually miss. Plus how many DEs have we switched to lb just to watch them crash and burn. Look we are a 4-3 defense deal with it. Also you should proof read this it was hard to read at some points.

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by Udalango on Jan 19, 2011 12:44 AM EST reply actions  

where at?

If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent.

by number5 on Jan 19, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Not really one spot but it was just one sentence was somewhere and the one following it

would seem like a different paragraph
some examples

Cullen Jenkins really impressed me, he had 7 sacks in 9 games. The only DL for the eagles to have close to that average in tackles besides T. Cole is Mike Patterson, and he only has 2 sacks

You went from sacks to tackles back to sacks, maybe its just me but that sentence didnt seem to fit.

They make lots of the tackles. And again the only DLmen with the highest tackles besides T. Cole is Mike Patterson.

Im not entirely sure how to tell you what is wrong here just kinda worded funny.

Those are the two that stood out the most to me at least. No offense meant though cause you obviously put work into this. Plus english makes no god damn sense some times. And I prolly made a ton of mistakes just in this comment.

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by Udalango on Jan 19, 2011 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks

ill try to reword it. I suck at revising my own work sometimes cause I know what im trying to say in my mind so kina confusing things I write make sense to myself :P

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by number5 on Jan 19, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I know what ya mean.

It make sense in your head but doesnt really go down on paper right.

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by Udalango on Jan 19, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I think I fixed it

try read those lines again

If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent.

by number5 on Jan 19, 2011 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

First one is better the second one

still seems off. I think its the word “highest” idk though. im sure someone better with their words than me could help.

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by Udalango on Jan 19, 2011 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

better?
They have to make lots of the tackles and Mike Patterson had the 30 tackles. Not a good sign for a NT.

If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent.

by number5 on Jan 19, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions  

remove the "the"

and that sentence sounds great. Once again im not trying to bust your balls or anything just trying to help. I know its frustrating to have someone correct you on here and I dont wanna sound mean or nothing.

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by Udalango on Jan 19, 2011 1:30 AM EST up reply actions  

no no your not "busting my balls"

I really applicate the hele

If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent.

by number5 on Jan 19, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

*help

If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent.

by number5 on Jan 19, 2011 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Edit note: Shout out to Udalango for some grammar help!

If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent.

by number5 on Jan 19, 2011 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

They have to make lots of the tackles and Mike Patterson only had 30 this year. Not a good sign for a NT.
This sounds better.

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by DickMuffin on Jan 19, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

prolly

probably*

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by DickMuffin on Jan 19, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

oh shut up

dick

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by Udalango on Jan 19, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

lol @ everyone voting no

i said this before in other posts and apparently it seems like this is going to be the huge off season discussion about the 4-3 or 3-4………. we have been a 4-3 team why change it? its going to be a huge investment and it is not guarenteed to make the defense better there are teams who run a 3-4 who have great respectful defenses….. same goes the other way, there are teams who run a 3-4 who are horrible……….. the 3-4 is going to be a huge investment…. our d-ends are not going to be able to play outside lb……. patterson and bunkley are too small to play NT …… and we have 2 starting linebackers who are total dogshit….. and one who is injury prone and hasent played a full season since? keep the 4-3 this team just needs to fix the problems that lie within itself, not go and change a whole defense scheme because the jets ravens and steelers run a 3-4 and have been consistant

by thegreatginzo on Jan 19, 2011 12:58 AM EST reply actions  

Lol, it’s currently unanimous at 15 votes.

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by DeSean10 on Jan 19, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I am a fan of the 3-4 just not for us.

He attack in the trenches, that is who we are. This is not a move that will help us. We do have some personnel that could figure as rush linebackers and inside guys but other than Laws, whose got the 5 tech body type? Who plays nose tackle? Mike Patterson can’t play two gap? 3-4 is a great defense but its hard to switch esp. with a young team that you have drafted to play 4-3.

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by NJEagle on Jan 19, 2011 1:01 AM EST reply actions  

I'm in the minority

and my vote is only yes if we get NA. The first round draft pick could go for a NT (with limited knowledge my choice would be Paea who may or may not be there depending on who you ask.

My lineup would be:
DE: Cole (he could easily be an OLB, but he didn’t like dropping into coverage the small amount of times he had to this year, so I think he could stay at DE, especially because the good 3-4’s have good de’s)

NT: Paea (I also think Dixon could be great here and if Laws or Owens gained about 20 pounds they could also be options)

DE: A rotation of Tapp & Parker (although Patterson might be worth a look, as Ngata has shown than DT’s can be successful as a 3-4 de)

LOLB: Fokou (I think I like this guy more than most people and while he is not your proto-typical 3-4 OLB, I think he would do well)

MLB: Chaney & Bradley (Stew’s gotta rebound and if he can then this should be a strong position

ROLB: Graham (He would love to play OLB and if I remember correctly he was talked about a lot as a OLB leading up to the draft)

CB: Asante & NA

SS: Mikell

FS: Nate Allen

as backups you have people like Te’o Nesheim and Kurt Coleman to come in. The Eagles have a good amount of talent along the line, which would be huge if Graham is able to play like a 1st round pick. That would lead to a lot of flexibility along the D-Line and the OLB’s.

It wouldn’t be easy but if the Eagles have Asante and NA, they would be free to use a lot of blitzes and rush 5 without having to worry too much. Plus I like Stew and Chaney being on the field together. D-line and the OLB’s would be the question marks but I think with the talent the Eagles have, they could pull it off.

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by sctrojan13 on Jan 19, 2011 2:41 AM EST reply actions  

no way that trent cole holds up as a 3-4 DE. he wears down toward the end of the season in a system that favors smaller DEs

by 0sirys on Jan 19, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Cole could not at all be a 3-4 DE.

This is one of my biggest problems with the idea. Cole, our best defensive player, would be all but eliminated from the team. He would be asked to play OLB and cover quite a bit. Something he doesn’t want to do and really isn’t good enough to be asked to do. He is too small to play DE in the 3-4 and will almost certainly be out of gas or hurt by the end of the season.

by NOLACuse on Jan 19, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Voted no

I just think that it is too significant of a chance for a team deemed “on the cusp” to make.

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by MRPH on Jan 19, 2011 7:55 AM EST reply actions  

Only in

Madden do I switch to a 3-4 sometimes for the Eagles

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by DRIVE FOR FIVE on Jan 19, 2011 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

No. Absolutely not.

Trent Cole openly said he hates coverage (when McDermott would make him drop)

We don’t have the personnel. At every LB position we’re literally scrounging for an option, at every DL position we’re doing the same.

No. No. No. the 3-4 defense shouldn’t come here unless Reid’s willing to commit 2 years and a major major defensive personnel overhaul that’d make the majority our our 2010 Draftee’s wasted picks for us….

Also with Washburn potentially coming here that’s screaming "we’re going to stay in the 4-3.

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by wild_eagle on Jan 19, 2011 10:28 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Good point about Washburn...

While I do appreciate all the time and research put in to number5’s post (keep at it! I appreciate well-researched posts)… I disagree with the “thesis”. Absolutely agree with wild_eagle (and everyone else) saying that we don’t have the personnel. Trent Cole going in to coverage is the opposite of what we want. We also don’t have a dominant DT to convert to NT. The list goes on.

Bottom line is: there is no logical reason to convert to the 3-4 other than the fact that the remaining teams in the playoffs happen to primarily run 3-4 defenses. Our defense is CLOSE to having very good 4-3 personnel, but quite far from having even serviceable 3-4 personnel. If we (1) pick up a good RCB and (2) one other impact player (Greenway, Haynesworth if they can get the attitude in check…), along with (3) a solid DC, then we will already have a much better defense than this past year. And that’s not even mentioning the fact that we can pick up a starter or two from the draft.

by AmateurHour on Jan 19, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.. I actually like the 3-4 a lot. I played in it, I played in the 4-3 throughout my life. I love the 3-4 but the fact remains even in High School if you don’t have the exact personnel it’s going to suck..

Exactly.. I actually like the 3-4 a lot. I played in it, I played in the 4-3 throughout my life. I love the 3-4 but the fact remains even in High School if you don’t have the exact personnel it’s going to suck..If we switched to a 3-4 that’d be difficult to do, and we might as well trade Vick and go with Kolb for the future, let him get rolling while the D is in rebuild mode..

Exactly.. I actually like the 3-4 a lot. I played in it, I played in the 4-3 throughout my life. I love the 3-4 but the fact remains even in High School if you don’t have the exact personnel it’s going to suck..If we switched to a 3-4 that’d be difficult to do, and we might as well trade Vick and go with Kolb for the future, let him get rolling while the D is in rebuild mode..I just don’t see how Andy can (1) Throw away the vast majority of our Draft picks from last year (2) Convert when we’re 2-3 players away from a great D and (3) completely switch personnel.

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by wild_eagle on Jan 19, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

IDK what happened there

bud.. ???

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by wild_eagle on Jan 19, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

what are you talking about?
Looking at this roster, we would need a Nose Tackle, a MLB, a impact S, a shut-down corner, and a DE. To me that’s a lot of missing pieces and we could possibly need a OLB. I think we have more pieces to a 4-3 that a 3-4.

I don’t wanna switch! I was just researching it because there was a lot of talk about switching here

If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent.

by number5 on Jan 19, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh no I understand..

I did thank yo for the research.

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by wild_eagle on Jan 19, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

No bud... Honestly good job,

I really like reading what you write because you’re one of the few that actually do research or actually put some thought into their posts…

I agree with alot.. I’m just agreeing that the 3-4 is bad, but without saying “yeah by boy, I’m with you!” type shit. lol

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jan 20, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW I do appreciate the work and the information you brought to my (and the rest of BGN's) attention,

I just don’t see any way we can do the 3-4. A complete front 7 overhaul would be needed.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

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by wild_eagle on Jan 19, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I do not wanna switch
Looking at this roster, we would need a Nose Tackle, a MLB, a impact S, a shut-down corner, and a DE. To me that’s a lot of missing pieces and we could possibly need a OLB. I think we have more pieces to a 4-3 that a 3-4.

If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent.

by number5 on Jan 19, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Mosie Foku and Jammar Chanley. LOL.

And….no to the 3-4 please.

1. Window for Mike Vick is 2 – 4 years. I wouldn’t want to waste an entire year transitioning to a 3-4.

2. I love the 4-3. It’s the Eagles way. It’s Buddy ball. It’s JJ. It’s our tradition. Fuck the 3-4.

3. I’m almost certain Washburn will significantly improve this D-line and he is strictly a 3-4 guy.

by Route36 on Jan 19, 2011 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

strictly a 3-4 4-3 guy.

by Route36 on Jan 19, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I also love the 4-3. I feel that it allows more inside protection

Is washburn a sure thing though?

If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent.

by number5 on Jan 19, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

A deal appears imminent, one source told The Inquirer. Titans coaches work under one-year contracts, and with Fisher on shaky ground after another losing season, Washburn may be looking for more stability – and perhaps a bigger paycheck.

McLane.

by Route36 on Jan 19, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

That's great

and btw I do wanna change to a 3-4

Looking at this roster, we would need a Nose Tackle, a MLB, a impact S, a shut-down corner, and a DE. To me that’s a lot of missing pieces and we could possibly need a OLB. I think we have more pieces to a 4-3 that a 3-4.

If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent.

by number5 on Jan 19, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

You mean, you DON’T wanna change to a 3-4.

by Route36 on Jan 19, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

hahaha

yep

If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent.

by number5 on Jan 19, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I think sometimes it would be good to read the ending
Looking at this roster, we would need a Nose Tackle, a MLB, a impact S, a shut-down corner, and a DE. To me that’s a lot of missing pieces and we could possibly need a OLB. I think we have more pieces to a 4-3 that a 3-4. Therefore, a change to a 3-4 would be a bad idea all around for the Eagles. Why can’t this be so easy like in Madden?

If Revis has an Island, Asomugha should have a continent.

by number5 on Jan 19, 2011 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

I read it all.

I was putting my thoughts out there

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jan 19, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I think our team is good enough to win a super bowl either next year or the year after if a couple of the right moves are made and we get a little luck with injuries, etc.

It generally takes two years to transition your D from 4-3 to 3-4, and that’s the fast (Packers) track. It took Dallas longer than that with Parcells running it. I don’t wanna waste our shot at a super bowl by rebuilding our whole defense!

Even well run teams like the Eagles don’t have the talent to win a super bowl every year. We have it now (or at least could get a CB and OL upgrade which are very plausible) . Lets not squander it!

by AZ Eagle on Jan 19, 2011 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

Can we please stop this...

"Intangibles: Fuck the Dallas Cowboys and every fucking thing they stand for; special teams"-The Onion

by dcgreenspro on Jan 19, 2011 1:57 PM EST reply actions  

We would just need a huge personnel overhaul. It’s not worth it.

"He wasn't an astronaut, he was a tv comedian! And he was just using space travel as a metaphor for beating his wife!"

by groot on Jan 19, 2011 3:51 PM EST reply actions  

I'm a 3-4 guy but I'd rather have a 4-3 for the Eagles.

If you do want a succsessful 3-4,get Ngata and somehow convince Trent Cole to drop back in coverage.

by starship 007 on Jan 19, 2011 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

i like the 3-4...

and would be willing to switch schemes…

but only in another 7 years when we’re rebuilding again.

by Ralf E Chubbs on Jan 20, 2011 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

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