The Eagles' full slate of 2011 Draft Picks, and what compensatory pick(s) should the Eagles expect to receive?
by JimmyK on Jan 18, 2011 9:29 AM EST
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PrintThis is more informational than anything, but I figured we'd post just as a reference. Here are the Eagles' current 2011 draft picks. As usual, they'll have more picks than most teams:
| Round | Pick | Overall | How aquired? |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 23 | 23 | Eagles pick |
| 2 | 22 | 53 | Eagles pick |
| 3 | 21 | 85 | Eagles pick |
| 4 | 7 | TBD | Donovan McNabb trade |
| 4 | 23 | TBD | Eagles pick |
| 5 | 18 | TBD | From San Diego in draft day trade last year |
| 5 | 22 | TBD | Eagles pick |
| 7 | 23 | TBD | Eagles pick |
We'll talk about compensatory picks and other good stuff after the jump...
There are several things to note about the Eagles' draft picks:
So we didn't get a 3 for Donovan McNabb? Why'd we get a 4? Weren't we supposed to get a 3?
Nope. "Project Donolulu" failed miserably.
What happened to the 6th rounder?
Reggie Wells.
Where's the 7th rounder the Eagles got for Stacy Andrews?
They traded it to Baltimore for Antwan Barnes.
Wait... What about the Reggie Brown trade? Where'd that pick go?
The Eagles traded Brown to the Buccaneers for a 6th round pick in 2011. They then traded that pick to Detroit for a pick in the 7th round last year and selected Jamar Chaney. Ah, the cycle of draft picks - The Eagles traded AJ Feeley for a 2, which turned into Brown, which turned into a 6 in 2011, which turned into a 7 in 2010, which turned into Jamar Chaney. AJ Feeley is truly the gift that keeps on giving.
Why are some of the overall draft spots after the 3rd round marked "TBD?"
They're marked TBD because the NFL has yet to award compensatory picks to teams that have lost free agents. Compensatory picks fall at the end of the 3rd-7th rounds, so at this point we don't yet know what exact overall picks the Eagles will have after the 3rd round.
Will the Eagles be awarded any compensatory picks?
Yes, probably. I'm thinking they'll receive ONE compensatory pick. Despite cutting ties with so many players last season (Donovan McNabb, Brian Westbrook, Chris Clemons, Darren Howard, Kevin Curtis, Reggie Brown, Sheldon Brown, Chris Gocong, Jason Babin, Sean Jones, Stacy Andrews, Shawn Andrews, etc), the only players that left as unrestricted free agents (they weren't released or traded) were Babin and Jones. Both of those guys will qualify as compensatory pick bait.
Babin had a great year and made the Pro Bowl. We should get like a 3 or 4 for him, right?
Nope. Don't count on it. The round in which teams are awarded compensatory picks is determined by 3 factors, weighted in the following order: (1) salary, (2) playing time, and (3) "postseason honors." Babin only signed a 1 year, $1 million contract with the Titans. He'll probably only net a 7.
But what about Sean Jones? You said the Eagles would be compensated for Babin and Jones. Why won't the Eagles likely get 2 picks?
Unfortunately, when it comes to awarding compensatory picks, the players you lose to free agency are offset by the players you sign. Even more unfortunately, the Eagles signed Marlin Jackson, who proceeded to blow out his ACL while he was walking away from the podium after the Eagles introduced him as their new free safety. The signing of Jackson will probably negate the signing of Jones, and therefore the Eagles shouldn't expect a second comp pick in return.
[Note by JimmyK, 01/18/11 10:28 AM EST ] - WHOOPS! - Sam from the late, great IgglesBlog has so kindly pointed out that Marlin Jackson will not count against the Eagles since he was a restricted free agent that the Colts did not choose to tender. Ah, the legal mumbo-jumbo of the NFL... In this case good for the Eagles, bad for my credibility, haha. Thanks Sam. Jerk.
So what's your final prediction for the Eagles receiving compensatory picks?
One pick, 7th round. There's a blogger that goes by the name of AdamJT13 that has carved out his own little niche in the world of compensatory picks. He has very accurately predicted which teams will be awarded compensatory picks (in what rounds) over the past few years. While I fancy myself as knowledgeable on the subject, AdamJT13 is sort of the master. He has yet to unveil his compensatory pick predictions for 2011, but when he does, I'll post it.
[Note by JimmyK, 01/18/11 10:34 AM EST ] - As mentioned above with Sam's notation about Jackson, the Eagles will likely get 2 comp picks... I'm thinking two 7's.
Are compensatory picks dependent on the new CBA?
Please... from now on, for anything we write on BGN, please mentally insert the phrase "All of the following is dependent on the new CBA" before you begin to read. Thank you... BGN Mgmt.
If you have any further questions, please fire away in the comment section:
And a quick disclaimer - While researching this, I found an insane amount of inaccurate information out there, so while I believe all of this to be accurate, I fear that I may not be 100% on every exact little detail.
[Note by JimmyK, 01/18/11 10:48 AM EST ] - And sure enough, it wasn't.
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It sucks
that we can’t trade Kolb for picks this year. It looks like such a lucrative trade market for him. And christ the Patriots have four picks in the first two rounds, They are ridiculous.
Since we can’t trade Kolb for draft picks this year, could we trade for say a first and a second/ third being compensatory upon draft position? Like if the Cardinals first round pick was outside of the top 12 we would get a second but if it was in the top 12 we would get a third??
Well...
They did give up Richard Seymour, and he was a damn find player and I’m betting they could’ve used him…and the Raiders have solidified their D since he’s been around…
---AstrosFan (Austin Lawyer and Sports Fan)
Only 9 + a comp?
For some reason I thought we were in the double digits w/o the comp pick… 9 is still a good amount though, plus whatever the offseason moves bring.
The Pats always have a killer selection. Even if the don’t have a 1 they’ll have like 4 2nd’s. I’m excited to see what Howie does this year though. He has a year under his belt, but now we have more clear cut need instead of tons of holes to fill. I wonder if we’ll trade players for players, move up for a better tackle and/or Guard or just go crazy like last year.
I think with such a high demand for QB’s this year, KK’s value won’t be any higher, but I think that deal (if it"s done) will be Draft Day. If not, he won’t sign an extension here next year and we won’t franchise him with Vick most likely on a big extension himself so we’d lose all value. Unless we Franchise him just till we can get a trade done, but by then his value will have dropped.
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Jan 18, 2011 10:10 AM EST reply actions
Also for KK's value
None of the QB’s coming out are considered sure things now. You have to imagine a team or 2 would rather grab Kolb than roll the dice on the QBs in this draft
by Smallbugger on Jan 18, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
KK dumpoff
I hear Washington need’s a new QB. Maybe they could do us another favor, and pickup our second lackluster QB in 2 years?
by budnicki_comedy on Jan 18, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
This year, I think the Pats have 3 picks in the top 33
The Raiders 17th, their own first, and someone’s early (Carolina’s ?) 2nd
by DLawrence55 on Jan 18, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, the Panthers traded their 2 in 2011 for the Pats’ 3 last year, and took that QB-WR kid from App. St. Jon Fox did a very selfish thing there – Trading future picks for immediate gratification when you’re on the hot seat is not cool.
Pending FA, I can see us getting a CB
in 2 of the first 3 rounds; a deep class this year
this draft alone won't fix all our holes...we need
to take advantage of both FA and the Draft
Can anyone see us packaging together possibly a 4th and a 5th together to move up into the 3rd round with lets say….NO Saints? Who have 28 UFA/RFA and only 5 draft picks?
by birdsfaninsc on Jan 18, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Good call.
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by EagleGreeninMD on Jan 18, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
But then again...
if we trade our number 1 to say a team like SF (10 draft picks) for their 2nd and 3rd round this year….you could go something along the lines of (and put in whomever you want in these respective slots)
2nd Round…#45 Overall, Brandon Harris #53 Mike Pouncey
3rd Round…#76 Overall, Mark Herzlich #87 Ras-I Dowling
That is an amazing first 4 picks for us, IMO (opinions vary)…im sure come Senior Bowl and Combine, players stock values will rise and fall; so subject to change
by birdsfaninsc on Jan 18, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Pouncey won’t fall that far. He’s a good Guard, but not a good Center. I don’t think we’d draft him, he’s not as versatile as Andy likes em’.
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by EagleGreeninMD on Jan 18, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
lots of mocks are having him fall all the way to the bottom of the 2nd
for his not-played-to-expectations year…however, as of right now I think we can get him here. After the Combine, I think he will be on the rise to a late 1st round pick
by birdsfaninsc on Jan 18, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Watched Pouncey making blocks from sideline to sideline in their bowl game vs PSU. Amazing athleticism for a guy his size… You can’t teach what he has. I’ll be blown away if he’s not a 1.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to have the guy
make no mistake about it
by birdsfaninsc on Jan 18, 2011 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly. He’ll be a 1st rounder.
Andy likes centers that can play guard or making Tackles Guards… He’s a pure guard. When’s the last time he picked one of those?
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by EagleGreeninMD on Jan 18, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Amen
That guy was all over the place…coming from the C position!! He’ll play G in the Senior bowl, etc. And have the scouts wetting their pants
I'm Ok with just 9 picks
To be honest there isn’t that much on the room on the roster anyway. Even though our O-lline needs to be upgraded the right side of the line can proceed to be back ups. As much as Dimitri Patterson was just so-so I would like to see him as either the nickel or dime back depending on how Lindley progresses. I can only think of a couple vets that are DEFINITELY leaving cough ernie sims cough.. Doesn’t leave much for new guys
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> 9 for sure
Really, if history tells us something, the 1 and/or 2 will turn into 4 later picks which will then turn into 6 even later picks which will then turn into picks for next year and 19 – 7th round picks. well I exagerated there a tad but you get the point. It is all about 7th round competition in TC.
Plenty of fire power to move around still
those 2 4s and 2 5s mean we should be able to move around per usual if there is anyone we’re targeting.
Granted if we could land Nnamdi there would be no reaching and we do the usual “best guy on the board”
Wells for a 6th...
…was still a great trade. Even though he didn’t pan out here, imagine what another 6th round OG selection would look like…probably someone who wouldn’t pan out here. LOL
At least with Wells, you had starting experience and the possibility of striking gold. I still like the move. All moves cannot be back-end evaluated by outcome.
I've heard...
…that the first round drops off pretty steeply after like 16th or so pick this year. I wouldn’t be shocked if the Eagles traded out of the first round to try to pick up more 2nd and 3rd rounders. Better draft value and all that.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Jan 18, 2011 10:22 AM EST reply actions
Wrong About Comp Picks - We Get 2
As you may have seen on the late, great IgglesBlog (ahem) we should get 2.
Marlin Jackson was a restricted free agent (as was Hank Baskett) that the Colts decided NOT to tender. Therefore, he does not qualify for the comp pick equation.
Does anyone else think that looking back, getting Reid of Antwan barnes was a bad idea? If I remember correctly however I think we got rid of him for a legitamite reason, but he certainly could have helped us with graham going down
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by immynimmy on Jan 18, 2011 10:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions
He went on to be a semi beast as a 3-4 OLB for San Diego for the remainder of the season.
He goes on the ‘talent not utilized’ list with Babin and Clemons for me.
by andyreidswaistline on Jan 18, 2011 11:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought we temporarily cut him to make room?
Similar to what happendd with Pryce and Baltimore
We need impact proven vets more then we need rookies who are ultimately questionmarks. That is unless we part ways with Vick and restart the Kolb era.
by andyreidswaistline on Jan 18, 2011 10:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions
We need impact proven vets more then we need rookies who are ultimately questionmarks. That is unless we part ways with Vick and restart the Kolb era.
by andyreidswaistline on Jan 18, 2011 10:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
as of right now, we will Franchise Vick
if we get 2 First Round draft picks for him…would you pull the trigger?
I know some are going to say ‘HELL YEAH!’ but we need to fortify that Oline wall before I feel comfortable putting Kolb back there
by birdsfaninsc on Jan 18, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Related question: would you pay 2 first round picks for a franchised Peyton Manning and then trade Vick and Kolb for whatever you could get?
no
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
yeah
peyton would die behind this line
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Jan 18, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Didn’t Marlin Jackson rupture his Achilles’ tendon rather than his ACL?
by hungarian_eagle on Jan 18, 2011 11:01 AM EST reply actions
I assume you only refer to both of them being season ending injuries, and not the two things being equivalent. If so, then you’re obviously right.
by hungarian_eagle on Jan 18, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Lol, I was just gonna say the same thing. But hey, achilles as an “a” “c” and “l” in it, and Marlin blew his ACL twice before, so its an easy mistake. Plus, that’s all we see around here.
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by DeSean10 on Jan 18, 2011 3:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yay more 7th round picks to spend on defensive starters whom we wonder why they aren’t as great as we hype them to be.
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other teams would kill to hit on guys like Jamar Chaney and Moise Fokou
in the SEVENTH!
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
and the Eagles would love to hit on
any of their 3rd round picks since Westbrook
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Jan 18, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
The caliber of player...
…that Westbrook was as a 3rd rounder has him a bit spoiled. People have to understand that it is not the norm to find a bonafide gamechanger in the third round like we did with Westbrook. Most are players like the aforementioned Bradley…good players and vital to a team, but not great.
Alot of best players are 3rd round and below
Cole, Samuel, Peters, Mikell, Celek, Weaver. All are pro bowl talent. Nowadays you kinda expect even lower round picks to contribute.
by ThePaceMaker on Jan 18, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
If he gets back to where he was yes but
if not then no also thats only one in like 8 years
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Jan 18, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Other teams would not kill to have thier 7th rounders...
Turn into fringe starters/backups. They would be happy about it, but it isn’t that big of a deal since you can get replacement level players anywhere for only a slight increase in cost.
And don’t say that Fokou or Chaney are any better than replacment level; they wouldn’t be starters on half the teams in the league.
by philiafan14364 on Jan 18, 2011 11:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
hey
thanks for telling it like it is.
bleeding green nation hypes up every single draft pick
“defensive end of the future!”
“best player since jared allen”
“this guy reminds me of hugh douglas”
“he was absolutely beast in college. gonna be a star in the nfl”
“only one eagle can compare to this guy, and that’s reggie white”
1 season later
“cut him now, he sucks”
“why did andy reid draft this loser?”
“we have to acquire jared allen from the vikings”
“let him go to the giants, we dont need him”
Nice detail.
I appreciate all the work and effort navigating the legal jargon and following the trade breadcrumbs. Really nice work.
Don’t we have a pick from Denver as a result of that Joe Mays-JJ Arrington trade? Or was that a 2012 pick?
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Howie Roseman
Didn’t exactly have a great first year as the GM. Eagles got value out of McNabb but had a had so-so draft with limited production from their picks especially their high-round draft picks, had a horrendous time with free agents signings & trades (Sims was a bust, Ditto on Wells & Barnes, Alex Hall was a nonfactor, M. Jackson was a lottery ticket that didn’t pan out, they gave up to much to get a situational DE in Tap). Hell, the only free move he made that really helped the Eagles was Schmitt.
I know it wa1st year and that Reid/Banner really call the shots on player personnel but Roseman needs to do a better job in the draft and especially with FA signings/trades. He got too easy of a pass this year.
Did you forget about the Jerome Harrison for Mike Bell trade?
And even though the Jorrick Calvin for Charles Scott trade didn’t work out as well as we expected, but I still like that move, because we were going to cut Scott anyway.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 18, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
yeah it so early to kill him
I’m not his biggest fan. but every one here was anointing him the greatest GM ever the first couple weeks of the season. The draft is too early to tell but looks good so far
good trade: McNabb trade, Scoot trade, Mays for a 6th
bad trades: Wells for a 6th, Barnes for a 7th, Ernie Sims, alex hall never had a chance
good free agents: Owen Schmit…
bad free agents: Marlin Jackson
I dont know if I’m forgetting something but mostly a so so year
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Jan 18, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I would put Jackson as TBD because if he can stay healthy which I admit is a BIG IF he can be a really good nickel back/extra safety
I think its a big enough if to pretty much write him off at this point imo
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Jan 18, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I would also not put Wells for a 6th as a bad trade. He was brought here for depth, and that’s what he provided. Not an exciting/useful trade, but not a waste/bad trade, necessarily.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 18, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but when people went down
he wasn’t able to steep up
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Jan 18, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't kill him
Said to was mediocre draft and mixed results in FA/trades. I would give him a C/C- for his 1st year as GM.
The news people called it a rebuilding year. Andy called it something else. Truth is, we made the playoffs and left our team with a pile of rookie talent to build up for next year as well. Many teams would have had to sign older talent to even make the playoffs. It’s really hard to find fault with Roseman right now so I don’t agree with your criticisms.
Wells still looks good on paper to me and we’ve never gotten a real reason on why he was not used but you can’t blame the GM for that decision until we have the reason. I thought he even looked good in the 1/4 of play we saw of him (minus the holding call).
Sims was still an improvement over Jordan and Gaither. Sure, he looked better on paper and we all had high hopes but we didn’t give up anything significant for him.
Barnes and Hall were as much a non factor in what we spent for them as how well they did. Calvins returns were average and I think Howie’s effort to replace him with the new guy (forget his name) was as good as you can do that late in the season.
Schmitt, Anderson, and Arrington should speak for themselves, if you don’t know them then why are you even evaluating the GM position.
Overall, I would give Howie an A… even with hindsight, what would you really have done differently?
Only thing I would have done would have been to draft an O-line project in the 3rd round instead of Teo… but I don’t know who was available then, etc. and I’m sure that wasn’t Howie’s decision to not draft any O-linemen.
An A? Are you related to Howie?
Wells couldn’t beat out MJG and N. Cole this year. That’s all you need to know what the Eagles’ coaching staff thought of Wells. He was a zero. It is the same with DTO not playing and the Eagles souring the waiver wire at the end of the season for veteran DE.
Sims actually lost his job in nickel downs and passing situations at the end of the season to Jordan & Clayton. He was a bust any way you slice it with no real discernible impact. Better than Jordan last year? Maybe but not by much.
Barnes and Hall couldn’t even make the roster. Calvin was a non-factor and flat out mediocre on special teams.
Arrington? Didnt’ even make the roster either. Anderson was useful on special teams coverage and Schmitt did plug the hole even if his Pro Bowl alternative nod is largely a joke.
Sorry, that was typo.. I meant Schmidt, Anderson, and Harrison. Obviously Arrington didn’t make the team like you said but it was 6 RB’s competing for 3 spots, obviously people will get cut.
I still disagree on Wells, sorry mate. I’m not too high on our coaching staff and still think it was a good idea to have a veteran OL brought in. I think Wells would have outperformed MJG/Cole if given the opportunity. Was there anyone better available at the time?
Howie’s job after the first week of the regular season is to fix mistakes in planning… those mistakes in the OL are made by Castillo or Reid.. not him. He brought in the best replacment talent at multiple times during the year at O-line, RB, and special teams/safety.
As for Barnes and Hall not making the roster… you do realize that we had too many DE’s and that there would be cuts regardless of how well Howie picked em, right? He was following the direction of McD or Andy and I’m happy with the choices he gave us.
I don’t think you can blame Howie for not getting Peppers. Do you really think Howie didn’t want him? I’m sure Lurie wouldn’t pay the money… who are we kidding here…
What would I have done differently?
I would have gotten Peppers, and maybe an O-lineman/corner instead of one of the DEs we got (not BG though, I didn’t have an issue with that pick).
In fairness though, I don’t think HR has control on draft day, and from what I hear he wanted Peppers badly but the price went above the cap. Do we think HR set the cap? Or was it someone else? If it was HR who set the cap, then that can be blamed on him.
Even with all that, I"m happy with what HR has done so far. Now I wanna see him go out and get us one of the top three CBs out there in FA.
We can only trade him for other players,that will be a problem.
Hopefully a new CBA is in place before 3/4/11
by starship 007 on Jan 18, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Even more unfortunately, the Eagles signed Marlin Jackson, who proceeded to blow out his ACL while he was walking away from the podium after the Eagles introduced him as their new free safety.
Damn that’s cold…….
and it was his achilles anyway.
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by EagleGreeninMD on Jan 18, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
I really just hope we draft Tyrod Taylor in the 4th-5th. This kid with the right coaching will be a legit QB in this league.
2010-2011 is a great year for sneaker heads.
I think so too. I got laughed at for even mentioning him, but unlike a lot of the other mobile QBs his throwing motion and footwork are actually decent. Still needs work, but he has QB potential.
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Taylor's built like Vick -- similar size and weight. But . . .
I wonder if he has the arm and (relative) accuracy of Vick.
Even if the front office selects O-linemen, Taylor might be a good choice. He’s a damn good scrambler.
And, like pass-rushing DEs, O-linemen take time to develop.
so did I my friend so did I
but Tyrod has so much potential+Marty= can equal a young vick
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what's the difference??
how many picks the eagles have… they’ll just squander them on boneheads like teo whatever his name is or worse yet losers like mcdoogle… graham… andrews… simon… demps… mamula… justice… jean gilles…etc… they have absolutely no ability to judge talent… this team needs a real o guard and tackle badly… not to mention a linebacker… a corner… and a saftety and two d lineman who can actually get off a block… oh… and another TE… one who can pick up a blitz… a d coach would be helpful as well… a coach who can get his team up for a big game might be nice…
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