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Mornhinweg has got to go, Childress will do

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Marty Mornhinweg has got to vacate the offensive coordinator position. I agree with Phil Sheridan of the Inquirer that re-hiring Brad Childress as OC would only improve this team. He was a dud as head coach (like Morn), but you can't deny what Childress did here with inferior weapons (I'll take Vick and our current receiving corps over McNabb, Reggie Brown, and Pinkston any day) Allow me to explain: 

The Eagles will always be a pass happy team; unless Andy Reid joins a Mormon mission and moves to Samoa, this won't change. But Mornhinweg took this gameplan to insane levels this season. In the Childress era, the Eagles called about 60% passing vs 40% running plays. This year (including Vick's scrambles and sacks-- ie, passing plays) the Eagles called passing plays nearly 70% of the time. That's simply too imbalanced to beat a good NFL defense. Especially considering that the Eagles have never been blown out all season-- they've never HAD to pass every play to stay in the game.

In the Bears game as well as the Vikings game, Mornhinweg called about 55 passing plays out of 70 total-- a ratio that approaches 80/20. The Bears were playing their safeties 15 yards deep, their linebackers were taking two steps back and keying on Vick at the snap, and yet Morninwheg refused to run, even on first down. 10 carries for McCoy, even at 6 yards a piece. Vick's first interception of the season? It came on first and goal, and the playcall formation was shotgun, four wide receivers, empty backfield. This is a formation to stretch defenses, but by definition it's impossible at the goal line. Your open field speed is negated down there, and you almost force your QB to either throw it away, take a sack, or throw a pick. Mornhinweg doesn't understand this; he runs the spread offense ALL THE TIME in the red zone! Still wonder why we settle for so many field goals?

Yet after the game everyone is so stupid to complain that "DeSean Jackson had trouble getting open deep!". OF COURSE he had trouble getting open deep, an Olympic sprinter won't beat a safety with a 15 yard head start. But if you mix in a few running plays, those safeties start creeping up to the line, AND THEN you throw it deep when they don't expect it.

Mornhinweg doesn't take what defenses give him, is his problem. Watching him call a game is like watching a toddler trying to jam a square peg into a round hole. Childress may have been pass-happy, but he had enough sense to adjust his gameplan to the realities of the defense he was facing.

The thing is, I don't even really see Morninwheg as a "West Coast" offensive coodinator, even if that's what his pedigree says. The Packers (as well as the Giants and Cowboys, etc) ran the very same screen plays with OL convoys we pioneered years ago very effectively, while this year Morninwheg's lesser screen calls got blown up for negative gains more than ever. He doesn't run the ball, he isn't a master of the screen game, Morninwheg's philosophy seems to just be "chuck it deep and hope the defense is sleeping". That won't work against the better defenses in this league. Even an excellent fastball pitcher has to mix in other pitches to keep the hitter guessing; having one pitch is useless, no matter how good it is.

Without Michael Vick's late game theatrics, or McCoy bailing us out by FINALLY getting carries late to seal close games (first Cowboys game, first Giants game, Texans game, etc), this team could very well have had a losing record. Besides the second Redskins game, we didn't blow anyone out, though we should have. If Childress had the current roster, he'd be running option plays, he'd be setting up the same great screens with McCoy as he did for Westbrook, he'd be hitting the running lanes off tackle and calling counters instead of the same damn shotgun handoff up the middle that Mornhinweg loves. And there's no doubt in my mind that the downfield passing game wouldn't suffer one bit.


Let me say that the Eagles defense certainly contributed to the failures this year. The red zone defense was absolutely inexcusable, but it's literally impossible that it can be worse next season. With Jamar Cheney (I think we should use Stew Bradley as trade bait--sorry) and Nate Allen returning next season, the difference between a rookie and second-year player is immense--especially at a leadership position like MLB or FS. McDermott also deserves scorn for not adjusting his immovable cornerback scheme, which allowed the Titans and Packers (among others) to negate Asante Samuel and pick on Dmitry Patterson all game. His blitz schemes seemed amateur and easy to identify-- but I think Brandon Graham was sorely missed. The DL looked exhausted by the end of the game, and that's one symptom of an offense that doesn't eat clock on the ground.

But in his favor, McDermott tends to improve and ADJUST as the game goes on, something that Mornhinweg has never done in his career. In the miracle comeback against the Giants the D only allowed 7 points in the second half, allowing the offense to come back (on Michael Vick and DeSean Jackson's legs, NOT on Morninwheg "figuring out" the defense). They allowed just 7 in the second half of the Packers game, but the offense never woke up. I think if we pick up a lockdown corner (JJ, let's be fair, ALWAYS had two great corners) opposite Samuel, this defense will be allowed to play more man-to-man and blitz more effectively, rather than the soft zone we've had to use to protect Patterson, which good QBs like Rodgers can and have picked apart playing "small ball" all season.

I won't lose sleep if the Eagles fire McDermott and hire a renowned defensive coordinator like John Fox, but at least McD had as many legitimate excuses as any coach this season to explain away his underperformance. The offense had no such excuses. Even with a hobbled Jackson the Eagles offense has plenty of weapons with Vick, Maclin, McCoy, and Celek. But Mornhinweg doesn't seem to call plays geared towards the tight ends or running backs, and so we fought with one hand tied behind our backs all season long. Our young defense will get healthy and better next year no matter who's in charge, but it'd be dangerous to leave Morninwheg calling the shots on offense. He's just too predictable.

Mornhinweg has GOT TO GO. Hopefully somebody is stupid enough to hire him as a head coach again. 

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I dunno dude...

Marty is Vick’s guy. I wouldnt have a good feeling into bringing in Chilly AKA a “player’s coach” ..Haaaaaaa…..into the mix. If there is one person who is stuborn enough to piss off Vick, its Chilly.

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by BWestFactor on Jan 12, 2011 3:12 PM EST reply actions  

oh god, no.

keep childress away, please.

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by snowhill82 on Jan 12, 2011 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

But Mornhinweg doesn’t seem to call plays geared towards the tight ends or running backs, and so we fought with one hand tied behind our backs all season long

RBs and TEs had to stay back and block to protect Vick. You saw what happened when we lacked protection in the late 2nd half of the season and the playoff game.

"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain

by soman319 on Jan 12, 2011 3:27 PM EST reply actions  

protection?

Is that why Mornhinweg calls shotgun-empty backfield formations so often? Or never uses two tight end sets?

by Kevin888 on Jan 12, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Im getting the vibe that you are one of the people who would complain no matter what happened

“Why is he using two tight end sets to protect Vick we have weapons go for the score every play”

“Ugh we are getting no protection do two tight end sets”

Its an infinite loop

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by Udalango on Jan 12, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I should have said and/or. Empty backfield does not necessarily mean less protection. In those sets, typically the TEs do stay back and block. I don’t recall many times where while in an empty back set we tried blocking with just our front 5 and found much success.

Bottom line: Our O-Line let us down many times. We were playing with one hand tied behind our backs because we could not protect our QB.

"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain

by soman319 on Jan 12, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

shot gun is actually cause vick is short and has a hard time seeing over the line. it lets him see the field better, he’s lucky if he is the 6 foot tall that he is listed at. Also if i am not mistaken our RB led the team in both receptions and targets

by 0sirys on Jan 13, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

RB led the team in both receptions and targets

Receptions for sure, targets IDK

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by wild_eagle on Jan 13, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really how that works but ok
; unless Andy Reid joins a Mormon mission and moves to Samoa, this won’t change

And NOOoOOOOO to chilly do not want

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by Udalango on Jan 12, 2011 3:30 PM EST reply actions  

i totally agree bro

If we became a rushing team we would be the #1 offense x 10..all the top offenses are runnng teams

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by Joe_D on Jan 12, 2011 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

Well, the Eagles already were the #1 rushing team in the NFC this season

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by JasonB on Jan 12, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

i was jokng jason

 im tired of people thnkng our pass happy scheme is broken or somethng and runnng the ball would fix all of our problems

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by Joe_D on Jan 12, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Not all problems, but some

Not even Tom Brady or Peyton Manning are asked to throw the ball 70% of the time. The Eagles have to take some pressure off of Vick or he’s gonna get killed out there, no matter how many OL you draft.

Bill Belicheck would have laughed at the soft defense the Bears showed the Eagles, and he would’ve ran the ball down their throat 40 times. If they started to stack the line then he’d turn to the passing game. Great coaches adjust to what the defense gives them; Mornhinweg and Reid come in with a rigid gameplan and never alter it.

BTW, why are we the only NFL team that doesn’t allow the starting QB to call audibles at the line of scrimmage?

by Kevin888 on Jan 12, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Peyton isnt asked to do anything he does what he wants
Not even Tom Brady or Peyton Manning are asked to throw the ball 70% of the time

And Tom Bradys line would allow him to throw seventy percent of the time.

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by Udalango on Jan 12, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

in addition.

Patriots O-Line >>>> Eagles O-Line.

"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain

by soman319 on Jan 12, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep Childress away...

…Keep in mind that Childress never even called plays for the Eagles…Andy Reid did. While Morningwheg has been here, we have averaged 403 points per season or 25 ppg, only once falling outside the top 6 in points scored and, more importantly, have not had a losing season.

I don’t want Childress back unless it is quarterbacks coach..which he would never take.

by Qwest on Jan 12, 2011 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

Whoa there buddy,

We broke the franchise record for points scored 2 years in a row.. This year had drastic changes and he was still able to keep us winning games..

No fucking way you can hate on Marty, he created Vick 2.0. I don’t want to see any other OC benefit from Marty’s hard work.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

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by wild_eagle on Jan 12, 2011 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

BTW Childress as good as you may think he is sucks.

He had a team with a HOF QB, a good-great OL, a top 5 RB, and great WR’s to work with and failed.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jan 12, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

You had me...

…until you said “great WR’s”. He had exactly ONE great wide receiver in his, what, six years here?

by Qwest on Jan 12, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I read it as him talking about Chilly and the Vikings.

HOF QB – Favre
Good-great OL – (at least they used to)
RB – Purple Jesus
WR – Rice, Harvin

"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain

by soman319 on Jan 12, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh ok...I still wouldn't say great, though.

Harvin is in his second year and Rice never did anything prior to his magical year last year. He may be the real deal but is far from great. And the hall of fame QB he had was 40, afterall.

by Qwest on Jan 12, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Not arguing but they have a lot of talent on that team. But Chilly isn’t going to magically turn everything around in Philly (Chilly isn’t going to make our O-Line magically better)

"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain

by soman319 on Jan 12, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course they do...

…that’s why Brett hand-picked them to re-re-unretire to. Well, that and the chance to stick it to Green Bay.

by Qwest on Jan 12, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

LMAO @

RB – Purple Jesus too funny many

by Two Nickels on Jan 13, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly Rice and Harvin are damn good WR's..

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jan 12, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Childress never even called plays when he was here.

Marty has broken the franchise record in scoring two years in a row. Keep Marty, worry about fixing the defense. And the offensive line.

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by JasonB on Jan 12, 2011 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

yup

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by Joe_D on Jan 12, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Not all problems, but some

Not even Tom Brady or Peyton Manning are asked to throw the ball 70% of the time. The Eagles have to take some pressure off of Vick or he’s gonna get killed out there, no matter how many OL you draft.

Bill Belicheck would have laughed at the soft defense the Bears showed the Eagles, and he would’ve ran the ball down their throat 40 times. If they started to stack the line then he’d turn to the passing game. Great coaches adjust to what the defense gives them; Mornhinweg and Reid come in with a rigid gameplan and never alter it.

BTW, why are we the only NFL team that doesn’t allow the starting QB to call audibles at the line of scrimmage?

by Kevin888 on Jan 12, 2011 4:58 PM EST reply actions  

You Asperger syndrome guys jacking off over Morni’s stats are the reason why we will always be a good/talented team that’s incapable of winning the big game. It doesn’t matter how many yards the passing game has racked up over the years. Look at Reid’s career record against the Pats, Steelers, and Ravens. It’s pitiful.

You need to be able to play defense and run the ball (AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT, ie, more than 12 times) to win the Super Bowl. Or at Soldier Field in the frost.

Most importantly, you need to establish a running game to beat 3-4 defenses especially. If anyone has any illusions about us winning a Super Bowl in the next few years, count on it being against the Patriots, Ravens, Steelers, or Jets. All 3-4 defenses.

Look at our record against the Ravens, Steeler

by Kevin888 on Jan 12, 2011 5:05 PM EST reply actions  

Our defense dictates the flow of our offense. If we find ourselves down by a significant margin, we (like most teams) revert to a pass happy O. I agree that we need to solve the 3-4 defense but you’re chopping off the wrong limb here if you think Marty is the main reason we’ve lost these games.

Another point:
I know its hard to satisfy everyone but its hard to really defend anything when people flip flop their train of thought. People complain both ways about sample size in the exact opposite manner sometimes. While some require a larger sample size to evaluate Kolb, for example, some people only evaluate a couple games when it comes to a coach like Mornhinweg. This isn’t a shot at you Kevin but it’s interesting to observe.

"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain

by soman319 on Jan 12, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Re: Solving the 3-4 defense.

It isn’t rocket science. Two gap run stuffing DT allows ends to play wider than usual, allowing linebackers to have a more natural edge to the QB. Because of the personnel, it’s easier to overload one side without giving away your blitzes.
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To solve: QB must be in charge of his pre-snap adjustments. He doesn’t have to be Peyton Manning, but he needs to know how to adjust protections and where his hot reads are at all times. OLine…stop trying to cheat backwards and anticipate the snap count like “YooKneeVerCity of Suthurn Kal”‘s Win Stun Juss Tess. (Who should lead the league in FS penalties, BTW. Slide your backs to the blitz side or send them in the flats. Hit the quick passes until they realize that blitzing doesn’t work. Or just run off tackle to the blitz side.

by Qwest on Jan 12, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Expect a call from the Eagles FO.

haha.

"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain

by soman319 on Jan 12, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

EXCUSE ME?!?
You Asperger syndrome guys jacking off over Morni’s stats are the reason why we will always be a good/talented team that’s incapable of winning the big game.

I won’t even begin to argue about how OUR obsession with stats leads the team to ultimately fail, but I take SERIOUS offense to your little crack at AS there. I happen to have AS myself, and I’m not one to “jack off” over stats like this.

No matter what your intentions, you used a real condition that causes thousands of people around the world social trouble as a blanket label to portray some dedicated Eagles fans in a way that makes them look like uneducated, stupid, and reactive whiners. I do NOT appreciate you using that label on people whose opinions you disagree on.

If you meant it as a joke, sorry for going off on you, but just know that it doesn’t make you look cool or smart. It makes you look like a jackass straight out of Encyclopedia Dramatica.

by NowWhat? on Jan 12, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck, bro...

I honestly respect your response to that.. He attacked you badly and you reacted with Class…

AS is not something to joke about, this kids a douche.. Just ignore him bud.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jan 12, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, no not specifically, but he attacked

you.. I doubt he’ll even come here and say anything, he must feel like a dumbass.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jan 13, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Nicely done.

No need for that shit here. He exposed himself as ignorant in going there.

by NOLACuse on Jan 13, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Whoa

A little far on that one dude with the Asperger syndrome remark. Stats are used to provide credibility to ones point/ argument. When some one come on here and just spouts off at the mouth with out some kind of way to back up what he is saying then it greatly reduces how serious people will take you.

by Two Nickels on Jan 13, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually...

Reid has got to go. Here’s why

In his career, Andy Reid is quite excellent at beating bad teams. That’s what good teams do, right? But he is well below .500 when playing good teams (with a better than 9-7 record). He is also 10-9 in the playoffs.

Here’s an interesting stat I heard on Missanelli…when the Eagles run the ball 40% of the time or more, they are 18-2. When they run the ball 45-60% of the time, they are undefeated. The number of times you run in the game matters. When they pass more than 60% of the time, they are well below .500. Let’s take a look at the teams who are successful this year, because people are inevitably going to bring up the Saints (who had Drew Brees) and the Colts (who had Peyton) as examples of why running the ball is not important.

The Packers—they buttfucked the ever-fucking fuck out of us with the run game—20th in Run Attempts but this number would surely have been higher if Ryan Grant had stayed healthy.

The Jets—they buttfucked the ever-fucking fuck out of the Colts (with the aforementioned Peyton) with the run game—2nd in Run Attempts

The Patriots—Woodhead and BenJarvus are holding it down—10th in Run Attempts

The Steelers—Do I even need to expand on this?—8th in Run Attempts

The Ravens—Ditto—6th in Run Attempts

The Bears—Matt Forte—21st in Run Attempts

The Seahawks—Beast Mode won the fucking game—an anomaly—29th in Run Attempts, but holders of a 7-9 regular season record

The Falcons—Michael Turner is a monster—5th in Run Attempts

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/sort/rushingAttempts/seasontype/2

If insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result, then it is insane to retain Andy Reid’s services as head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles.

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by EvilBanner on Jan 12, 2011 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

The only flaw to this argument...

Is that, when the Eagles did go 18-2 or undefeated, they probably had an awesome Defense which allowed them to run the ball and win games. Now I know that Andy is pass happy regardless, but when you have a shitty Defense like they have at the moment, they are consistently behind in almost every game they play. Which makes them resort to a passing attack to keep up. I know there needs to be balance, but they most definitely need a better Defense if they want to profit from the run game.

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by BWestFactor on Jan 12, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

We are 15th on that list

5 ahead of the Pack and 6 ahead of the Bears. And if you are measuring success as teams still in the hunt that still has 9 “unsuccessful” teams ahead of us. So running is not the magic fix everything wrong with your team aid.

But just using the link you supplied we are first in yards per attempt behind this shitty line (really an argument to run more though) We are fourth in rushing TDs fifth in Yards per game. How much of that is a result of us being a Pass happy team and teams not focusing as much on the run? I agree we should run more but on the other hand…..

If I had to choose between getting a SOLID O line vs running more behind this shitty ass one id take upgrading the line and keeping the ration the same. Lesean had a Probowl year this year regardless of the fact that he didnt make it. Id rather not see his workload increased behind this line and watch him get hurt try to use his elusivness to get through. Id rather have the line just dominate and give him a hole and have him use his “shadyness” to make people miss open field tackles. We are averaging 5.4 behind this line what does that number jump to when we get a line similar to New Englands?

My opinion step one get a good line
step 2 if rushing is WAY successful up the rushing
step 3 ???
step 4 profit

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by Udalango on Jan 12, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The other flaw to the argument...

…is the stat line itself.

when the Eagles run the ball 40% of the time or more, they are 18-2. When they run the ball 45-60% of the time, they are undefeated.

The reason isn’t as you might think it is. The reason is we pass to set up the run. Meaning, we pass to get a lead and then we run the ball to milk the clock. Therefore, in those games where we ran the ball 40-60% of the time, we actually won because we were already up and using the run to end the game.

It’s a chicken-egg scenario

by Qwest on Jan 12, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

and both the chicken and the egg

Need a competent Defense to “run-out” the game, or start the game with running.

Defense and running game win championships. For the most part…..there are always exceptions to the rule…

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by BWestFactor on Jan 12, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You think I am arguing the point when I'm not...

…what I am saying is that the percentages that were listed are not because AR started the game out running and ended up with a lead…they are because they were successful in early passes and ran the ball to run out the clock. His argument is that AR needs to run the ball early and that when he has done so, it has resulted in unbelievable success in the W-L column. I am saying that in those games, I’d bet you found we got up early due to big plays that worked and then ran the ball late, giving us the 45-60% ratio. You see, the ratio doesn’t account for WHEN the ball was run…just that it was run.

by Qwest on Jan 12, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

oh I wasnt saying that you were...

..i was agreeing with the with your point… was just adding to it. I get what youre saying.

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by BWestFactor on Jan 13, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly

why do people not see this?

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by Joe_D on Jan 12, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

People see and disregard what they want to.

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by soman319 on Jan 12, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

unrec

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by waterfield on Jan 12, 2011 6:04 PM EST reply actions  

For those of you defending Marty .....

OK. Let’s for argument sake say that 70 – 80 % passing plays is acceptable. I don’t think it is, but I resolved myself to the fact that as long as Andy Reid is here we’re going to through a lot. I’m not asking for the Eagles to be a run first offense, but more balance would help, IMO.

I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again. My gripe is not with the percentage of pass plays as much as it is the type of pass plays. Why, when you have a line that can’t block and the defense constantly bringing the house, are the majority of plays we are calling of the slow developing variety? The defenses were giving us the short stuff why not take it? I think that Marty did a crappy job of adjusting.

I won’t go as far as saying that Marty needs to go but he does need to do a better job. I don’t think that Childress is the answer either.

So I need some of you guys who are defending Marty explain to me how he gets a pass for not adjusting to what defenses were throwing at us.

Go Eagles!

by MRPH on Jan 12, 2011 6:24 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

for the same reason Akers gets a pass for dropping those FGs

Marty has done some awesome things for us…the guy isn’t flawless, and there are always things to work on.

If an offense’s job is to score points, and a guy sets consecutive franchise records in points scored how can you feel as though he’s not doing his job in the big picture?

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by jalarsen1 on Jan 13, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I get that
If an offense’s job is to score points, and a guy sets consecutive franchise records in points scored how can you feel as though he’s not doing his job in the big picture?

I’m not saying to get rid of him, and I get it that we scored a lot of points. There were a lot of good things that the offense did this year. But the offense is streaky. Those points came in bunches. There were long stretches where the offense was quiet.

In the last two meaningful games this season the offense scored 17 and 16 points respectively. Vick was beat up and consequently not on his game, yet they kept calling the same slow developing plays. Lots of them. That lack of adjusting played a big part in the Eagles losing those games, IMO, and Marty has to take a fair share of the blame for it.

And one more thing. They had better work on this during the off season because we are going to see more of the same from defenses next season. We’re going to see the same defensive strategy until we prove that we can beat i.

Go Eagles!

by MRPH on Jan 13, 2011 6:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly when your mentality is one

thing and you keep doing that it’s hard to go “oh shit, let’s become a run first team this week”..

Marty did become more balanced this year. McCoy had over 1000 yards rushing.. He’s set every position up on offense to be successful for years to come except RG and RT.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jan 13, 2011 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I never said become a run first team

Just mix in short passes. Variety. These last few weeks I (being the armchair QB that I am) new what plays the Eagles were going to run before they happened. If I can do it I think that an NFL DC can.

Go Eagles!

by MRPH on Jan 13, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

its hard to wth vick

hes only 6 foot and he needs throwing lanes for those short passes… seems like he doesn’t like throwng the short passes unless he can actually see them lol

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by Joe_D on Jan 13, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree

That style is not Vick’s forte. He gets balls batted down. Marty gets some slack there.

I’d love to see that worked on this off season, however. The challenge this off season will be to come up with plays that both get the ball out quicker and fit into Vick’s style of play.

Go Eagles!

by MRPH on Jan 13, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

No no no.. I'm saying it's kinda hard to switch your philosophy from week to week.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jan 13, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

i get what you're saying too

that’s why I had to add the ‘big picture’ caveat.

There are definitely single games, or even drives where you could say he sucks…but by and large, the guy is really good and I’ve enjoyed having him here.

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on Jan 13, 2011 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

There are definitely single games, or even drives where you could say he sucks

Just like every other coach across the nation.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jan 13, 2011 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Me too
but by and large, the guy is really good and I’ve enjoyed having him here.

Agree 100%, but if he continues to struggle next year against the blitz I will be rethinking this. Prepare for the blitz, because it’s coming. He has a whole off season to prepare and should have an upgraded OL so there shouldn’t be any excuses.

Go Eagles!

by MRPH on Jan 13, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Situational

True or False when behind you should pass more? We ended up playing from behind in a few games this year, requiring us to turn to the air. You can point to balanced run/pass rations in solid wins, but also, after you take a lead don’t you run more?

This team will always pass a lot, but it really isn’t that big of a deal. It’s been the same argument for a decade now, and you know what? It isn’t going away and we’re STILL winning games. If my team goes down to the Packers in a playoff games so help me God I will murder Andy Reid if he starts running the damn ball. We get to where we are because of a great passing game.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Jan 12, 2011 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

Look , you can put who ever you like calling plays....

Big Andy is still the coach. For some reason he hates to pound the ball at people. Fuck it. You know what I want? A FUCKIN gameplan. What I mean is, it should change week to week, based on a defenses weakness. but who does that….everyone that plays the eagles.

"Intangibles: Fuck the Dallas Cowboys and every fucking thing they stand for; special teams"-The Onion

by dcgreenspro on Jan 12, 2011 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

Reid has got to go. Here’s why: In his career, Andy Reid is quite excellent at beating bad teams. That’s what good teams do, right? But he is well below .500 when playing good teams (with a better than 9-7 record). He is also 10-9 in the playoffs. Here’s an interesting stat I heard on Missanelli…when the Eagles run the ball 40% of the time or more, they are 18-2. When they run the ball 45-60% of the time, they are undefeated.

I agree completely, but I understand Reid is a fixture here (why give him an extension right before he drops two to the Cowboys?) which is why getting rid of Mornhinweg. Besides skewed playcalling, Reid is responsible for the weekly time management issues and other endemic offensive issues.

It’s a shame management didn’t have the foresight to promote John Harbaugh to head coach and send Reid packing. Harbaugh and Belicheck are the two best coaches in the league; both understand the importance of defense and the running game.

We are 15th on that list
5 ahead of the Pack and 6 ahead of the Bears. And if you are measuring success as teams still in the hunt that still has 9 "unsuccessful" teams ahead of us. So running is not the magic fix everything wrong with your team aid.

Not really. We are interested in RUSHING PLAYS, not RUSHING ATTEMPTS. Michael Vick had 100 rushes in the regular season, and the vast majority of them were SCRAMBLES on pass plays. Take away these 80 or so Vick scrambles from the attempts total, and the Eagles are dead last among playoff teams in terms of rushing attempts. (even after adjusting for Cutler and Rodgers scrambling attempts)

Bringing up Green Bay and Chicago wouldn’t help your case even if they were behind us on that list. Green Bay only beat the Eagles because they FINALLY found a running game in the Wild Card, and Chicago went through a slump in the middle of the season precisely because Mike Martz started drifting away from the running game. In fact, the Eagles game where Matt Forte torched us for 120 yards was when they got back on track.

But the argument is not that by running we can gain more yards or even score more points than we can by passing. It’s about:
- Keeping the other offense off the field (this is how the Browns beat the Patriots— running it 40+ times and keeping Tom Brady on the bench)
- Keeping the opposing defense honest. Otherwise, the DEs come flying up the field at the snap to take the QBs head off, and blitzing increases.
- Giving your OWN defense time to rest and regroup.

> In short, it’s about time of possession. While not as glamorous, it’s much better to score on a 10 play, 80 yard drive than to score on an 80 yard bomb and then punt it away the rest of your possessions in the quarter. You put your defense into trouble that way, and the Eagles fall into the latter category all too often.

This team will not win a championship when it passes the ball 70% of the time. It will beat bad teams with its athleticism, and it can make the playoffs, but it won’t go deep into January. If you think otherwise, you belong in the asylum with Andy and Marty. They’re dead set on proving all the historical trends wrong, winning the SB while handing it off 10-15 times per game, and all their fans seem to agree.

by Kevin888 on Jan 12, 2011 8:01 PM EST reply actions  

I've given up hope that we will commit to the ground game. I mean that literally. Given up.

I love Vick as our QB because he is such a good runner, he made it so much less frustrating for me this year. The pass-happy play-calling usually drives me nuts, but when your qb is the fastest ever and is a fearless runner, it’s a nice substitute for called runs.

^Nights Of Cabiria

by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Jan 12, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I think another reason Reid gets a pass is

I believe he’s won games with 6 or 7 different starting QBs. He’s also compared against the success of his peers, and except for Bellichick, there’s not a lot of success there longterm. I think the front office should only give Reid another 2 years to win a Super Bowl, then move on.

by donniethelion on Jan 12, 2011 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

only 2 years?

it took the GREAT cowher 15

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Jan 13, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree

Reid frustrates the living shit out of me at times on game days, but he seems to put a playoff team out there year in and year out. His players don’t quit on him. I’ll stick with him.

What people seem to lose sight of when they want change, is that when change happens it’s not always for the better. Sure, a coaching change may bring us a Super Bowl, but there is an equal chance that we revert back to the days of, gasp, Rich Kotite.

Go Eagles!

by MRPH on Jan 13, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

yup

hey you know one way to win the sb? be a contender year n year out.

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by Joe_D on Jan 13, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Some of these fans...

…either forget (Wish I could) or aren’t old enough to actually remember the Ray Rhodes and Rich Kotite decade. Like you said…every change isn’t for the good. The grass is not always green and lots of times, even when it is its really weeds. Give me a chance to win it every year…sooner or later he will push through

by Qwest on Jan 13, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's the issue against GB

The Eagles did not execute that well

-Akers missed 2 FGs he usually makes automatcally
-Avant drops a huge 3rd down when he was WIDE open to keep the drive going
-The Eagles O-line got no push on 3rd and 1 and had to punt again in GB territory
-Vick under throws a deep ball to Riley Cooper in the end zone to end the season
- Justice was playing so bad that KING DUNLAP had to replace hm

The offense as a whole was just stagnant and didn’t make plays when they had the opportunity too. It’s so easy to blame the play calling but the players just didn’t play good enough. And to be honest, the past 5 games they weren’t playing great football at all

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by Joe_D on Jan 13, 2011 8:56 AM EST reply actions  

We were the #1 rushing team in the NFC this year.

That wasn’t all thanks to Vick. McCoy had over a 1,000 yards on the ground. Maybe the percentage isn’t what we’d all like, but Marty’s offenses have broken the franchise scoring record two years in a row. The biggest problem this year was not playcalling or too much passing. It was a shitty o-line (on the right side anyway) and a suspect defense. Get better linemen and shore up the defense and that Green Bay game probably goes down much differently.

by NOLACuse on Jan 13, 2011 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

I have complaine about playcalling in the past.

Not this season so much though. We are much more balanced than we used to be, even if we aren’t “balanced” in the true sense of the word. Our weaknesses this year really had nothing to do with playcalling.

by NOLACuse on Jan 13, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

We are much more balanced than we used to be, even if we aren’t "balanced" in the true sense of the word.

What is that supposed to mean? We were unequivocally much LESS balanced this year in every way. 70% passing plays instead of the usual 60% we expect from a Reid team.

I’m not saying that the Eagles should be a power running team or that it’s even possible with Reid at the helm. What I am saying is that McCoy should get at least 17, 18 carries per game, instead of 13-14. It’s hard to overstate the difference this would make in terms of how opposing defenses play the Eagles.

You can still throw the ball 40 times in a game AND get McCoy 20 carries. They’re not mutually exclusive. I don’t know how anyone can disagree after seeing what this kid is capable of this season.

Getting McCoy more carries only HELPS the passing game and makes Vick’s life a whole lot easier…. it’s shocking how nobody here seems to understand this.

by Kevin888 on Jan 16, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

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RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
RIP Sean McDermott's job.

by Imp on Jan 13, 2011 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

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UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Udalango on Jan 13, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

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