Why the Eagles can, should, and I think WILL sign Nnamdi Asomugha... and not just because I REALLY want them to
by JimmyK on Jan 12, 2011 10:00 AM EST
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PrintIn case you're unfamiliar with Nnamdi Asomugha, he plays cornerback for the Oakland Raiders, or at least he used to. This past season, in 14 games played, NFL quarterbacks only threw Asomugha's way 33 times. In other words, they don't even bother looking his way. Just 13 of those passes were completed for 205 yards, and no touchdowns. That translates to 0.9 catches allowed for 14.6 yards per game. That's just stupid good. Looking at his stats is actually comical. He only had 19 tackles and no interceptions, because again, NFL quarterbacks want no part of him. Compare his numbers to little-used Eagles rookie Trevard Lindley, and if you didn't know any better, you'd think Lindley had a better season. That's not to pick on you, Trevard... I have high hopes for your career here, but I digress.
We all know why Asomugha would be a great fit - The Eagles have a big fat hole at RCB, and Asomugha would fit into that empty spot ever so snugly. He and Asante Samuel would form the best corner tandem in the NFL... by far. If QB's continued to throw away from Asomugha and target Samuel, then Samuel may just be a candidate to break interception records. The Eagles could send the house and be confident that they're unlikely to be burned badly on the back end if blitzes don't immediately get to the QB. BLAH BLAH BLAH, YADA YADA YADA.
Here's the rub - Precisely 31 other teams league-wide can also come up with compelling cases to sign Asomugha and make it seem like a no-brainer. He's that good - a rare talent that's on the open market and an absolute sure thing at an extremely important position in today's pass-happy NFL. He's even far more of a sure thing than Samuel was when he was a free agent back in 2008. So why should Asomugha sign with the Eagles over any of the other 31 teams that could greatly benefit for his services?
The simple answer: The Eagles are in a perfect position to be able to pay, or rather, overpay him without dire consequences.
Here are the Eagles' players salaries for 2011 and beyond:
*It's important to note that NFL contracts are very complex. The following table lists salaries only, and while mostly accurate, the figures may not be 100% accurate for every player. They don't show the signing bonuses various players may have signed. For example, Brandon Graham's rookie contract was for 5 years, $22 million. Roughly $15 million of that was in signing bonuses. Sometimes signing bonus money is paid all upfront , other times it's stretched over several years (although even in those cases the bulk of the signing bonus is typically paid upfront). The purpose of this table is to show the structure of the players' salaries, all aggregated by hand from NBC's rotoworld.com. If you're so inclined to see the figures with some signing bonuses included, I'd recommend checking out eaglescap.com, although it's not quite up to date. I included the most relevant Eagles. There were 59 that I felt were worthy of mention (obviously they will not all be with the team next year as many are unrestricted free agents):
| Position | Player | 2011 | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2015 | 2016 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| QB | Michael Vick | UFA | |||||
| QB | Kevin Kolb | 1,392,000 | |||||
| QB | Mike Kafka | 405,000 | 490,000 | 575,000 | |||
| RB | LeSean McCoy | 480,000 | 565,000 | ||||
| RB | Jerome Harrison | UFA | |||||
| RB | Eldra Buckley | RFA | |||||
| FB | Leonard Weaver | 2,500,000 | 2,500,000 | ||||
| FB | Owen Schmitt | UFA | |||||
| WR | Jeremy Maclin* | 3,100,000 | 3,100,000 | 3,100,000 | |||
| WR | Jason Avant | 1,250,000 | 1,500,000 | 2,000,000 | 3,250,000 | ||
| WR | DeSean Jackson | 565,000 | |||||
| WR | Riley Cooper | 405,000 | 490,000 | 575,000 | |||
| WR | Chad Hall | 405,000 | 490,000 | ||||
| TE | Brent Celek | 1,215,000 | 1,909,000 | 3,256,000 | 4,000,000 | 4,725,000 | 4,925,000 |
| TE | Clay Harbor | 405,000 | 490,000 | 575,000 | |||
| OT | Jason Peters | 5,900,000 | 7,900,000 | 10,400,000 | 9,650,000 | ||
| OT | Winston Justice | 2,700,000 | 3,225,000 | 3,750,000 | |||
| OT | King Dunlap | 555,000 | |||||
| OT | Austin Howard | 405,000 | 490,000 | ||||
| OG | Todd Herremans | 1,900,000 | 2,200,000 | 2,600,000 | |||
| OG | Max Jean-Gilles | UFA | |||||
| OG | Nick Cole | UFA | |||||
| OG | Reggie Wells | UFA | |||||
| C | Jamaal Jackson | 1,575,000 | 1,775,000 | 1,875,000 | |||
| C | Mike McGlynn | 555,000 | |||||
| DE | Juqua Parker | 3,500,000 | |||||
| DE | Trent Cole | 2,900,000 | 2,900,000 | 3,400,000 | |||
| DE | Darryl Tapp | 2,250,000 | 2,575,000 | ||||
| DE | Brandon Graham | 405,000 | 827,000 | 1,250,000 | 1,670,500 | ||
| DE | Daniel Te'o-Nesheim | 405,000 | 490,000 | 575,000 | |||
| DE | Ricky Sapp | 405,000 | 490,000 | 575,000 | |||
| DE | Bobby McCray | UFA | |||||
| DE | Victor Abiamiri | UFA | |||||
| DT | Mike Patterson | 1,400,000 | 2,100,000 | 2,900,000 | 3,650,000 | 4,900,000 | 6,250,000 |
| DT | Brodrick Bunkley | 635,000 | |||||
| DT | Trevor Laws | 470,000 | 555,000 | ||||
| DT | Antonio Dixon | 480,000 | |||||
| DT | Jeff Owens | Undisclosed | |||||
| LB | Stewart Bradley | UFA | |||||
| LB | Ernie Sims | UFA | |||||
| LB | Moise Fokou | 480,000 | 565,000 | ||||
| LB | Jamar Chaney | 405,000 | 490,000 | 575,000 | |||
| LB | Akeem Jordan | UFA | |||||
| LB | Omar Gaither | UFA | |||||
| LB | Keenan Clayton | 405,000 | 490,000 | 575,000 | |||
| CB | Asante Samuel | 5,900,000 | 8,400,000 | 10,400,000 | |||
| CB | Joselio Hanson | 1,680,000 | 2,700,000 | 3,100,000 | |||
| CB | Ellis Hobbs | UFA | |||||
| CB | Dimitri Patterson | UFA | |||||
| CB | Trevard Lindley | 405,000 | 490,000 | 575,000 | |||
| CB | Jorrick Calvin | 405,000 | 490,000 | 575,000 | |||
| S | Quintin Mikell | UFA | |||||
| S | Nate Allen | 405,000 | 490,000 | 575,000 | |||
| S | Kurt Coleman | 405,000 | 490,000 | 575,000 | |||
| S | Colt Anderson | 405,000 | 490,000 | ||||
| S | Marlin Jackson | 2,000,000 | |||||
| K | David Akers | UFA | |||||
| P | Sav Rocca | UFA | |||||
| LS | Jon Dorenbos | 800,000 | 800,000 |
Obviously, re-signing Michael Vick is priority numero uno, and the Eagles also need to do something about DeSean Jackson's grossly under-market contract. If the Eagles can't get a long term deal done with Vick, they'll franchise him and be forced to pay him a hefty salary in 2011. Just as a reference, the salary figure for quarterbacks that were tagged was roughly $16.4 million. It should be slightly more in 2011. Let's pretend for a minute that the QB franchise tag number jumps to $18 million 2011. Since Vick made $4,500,000 last season, that would be a raise of $13.5 million. Kevin Kolb, meanwhile made over $10 million in 2010. In 2011, he'll make $1,392,000, which means the Eagles will save over $8,500,000 off his contract. Therefore, at the worst, the Eagles will only have to pay their QB's $5 million more in 2011 than they did in 2010.
Otherwise, there are a grand total of ZERO Eagles that will make in excess of $6 million in base salary in 2011. None. Only 2 will make over $5 million - Samuel is set to make $5,900,000 in salary. He'll make $8,400,000 in 2012 and $10,400,000 in 2012. The other highly paid Eagle, Jason Peters, will also only make $5,900,000 in salary, as his contract is also backloaded. Only SEVEN others will make as much as $2 million in salary - Leonard Weaver, Jeremy Maclin, Juqua Parker, Winston Justice, Trent Cole, Darryl Tapp, and Marlin Jackson. Marlin Jackson's chances of seeing that $2 million are somewhere between slim and none, and depending on the roster moves the Eagles make this season, it's debatable whether Justice will see the $2,700,000 that he's scheduled to earn, and if Juqua Parker will see his $3,500,000.
It's utterly remarkable that as of today, only 9 Eagles are scheduled to make at least $2 million in salary in 2011. So how did they get there? Well, as we all know, they purged a boatload of veterans this past offseason, and with them their lofty contracts. Here's a quick list of all the players that the Eagles got off their books within the past 12 months:
- Donovan McNabb - In 2009, the Eagles redid the last 2 years of McNabb's deal, which was $24.2 million over 2 years. They dumped that contract when they traded him to the Redskins.
- Brian Westbrook - The Eagles saved $7.5 million when they decided to release Westbrook in February.
- Stacy Andrews - The Eagles traded Andrews and his awful 6-year, $38.9 million contract to the Seahawks. He would have made $5,250,000 in 2011 with the Eagles, which would have been the 3rd highest salary on the team.
- Shawn Andrews - Signed a 10-year, $35.5 million extension in 2006. The Eagles released Andrews in March of 2010.
- Kevin Curtis - Signed as a free agent in 2007 for 6 years, $26.7 million. The Eagles released Curtis in March of 2010.
- Darren Howard - The Eagles signed Howard in 2006 as a free agent for 6 years, $32 million. Just like with Kevin Curtis and Shawn Andrews, the Eagles released Howard in March of 2010.
- Chris Clemons - Signed for 5 years, $13.5 million in 2008. The Eagles traded him to Seattle, although they received a similar contract back in return in Darryl Tapp.
- Reggie Brown - Signed a 5 year extension "worth as much as" $27 million in 2006. The Eagles traded Brown to the Buccaneers in March 2010.
- Sheldon Brown - Signed a 9 year contract extension worth $25.4 million in 2004. The Eagles traded Brown to the Browns in April of 2010.
- Chris Gocong - Gocong was also traded along with Brown, and would have made $1.7 million in salary in 2011.
That's TEN veterans with significant contracts that the Eagles got off their books in one offseason. They were replaced by young players (15+ rookies played for the Eagles this season) that are mostly making near the league minimum. If the Eagles like Asomugha (and how can they not?), there's really little excuse not to back up the Brinks truck for him, especially when the team is loaded with such an impressive young nucleus that should be a serious contender as it is in 2011.
Howie Roseman, look at me. You and Uncle Joe have done an amazing job managing the cap and building a fantastic young core through the draft, making prudent decisions and not going hog wild on garbage like some of the other crazy GM's in your division. And I applaud the work you've done. (Clapping). However, now is the time get aggressive and add a true difference maker, even if you have to overpay. The money is there - I see it. So again, look at me:
Get it done. No, seriously.
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Can’t agree more!
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Nice post
To add to your point, Asomugha wants to play for a contender. We’ve shown that we are that, and he’s got to realize that he would be a big piece that is missing from the puzzle. This would be a huge upgrade for our defense.
Get it done!
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because it’s that damn good.
Not just because I want it to happen, but because you actually gave me a sense that it could happen.
That being said, I still think Asomugha ends up with the Jets.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Because him and Revis are good friends. Because Asomugha said he wants to play with Revis, he has said he wants to play for Rex.
Because the Jet’s can sign him if they want to.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
How can they sign him?
They just gave ludicrous contracts to some big-time core players.
I’d be shocked if they have the money to compete for NA.
In another comment I mentioned that Cromartie, Edwards and Holmes are all F.A’s. So their money comes off the books.
Which looking at it, isn’t that much….like 6 mil.
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"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
They’ll re-sign one of the WR’s at least. And they have a 1st round CB on the roster behind Cromartie (if they don’t re-sign him). I’d be shocked if they have the money to pay the top two CB contracts in the league (Revis/Asomugha) while also having a 1st round contract (Kyle Wilson) at the same position (which isn’t a ludicrous deal, but I’d bet it’s over $2M per year).
Not to mention, didn’t they just extend Nick Mangold and their LT (name?) to a huge deal?
Kyle Wilson is not doing well this year. They’d still need a CB because I don’t think they have any other capable backups (or at least solid CB2 types).
DTMWTD
by alcatraz0109 on Jan 12, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
I know Wilson didn’t play well this year, but anytime you invest a first rounder on a guy, you assume/hope they make a big jump from year one to year two. I’d be surprised they don’t go into camp with Wilson being the clear # 3 CB with hopes of him competing for the #2 spot opposite Revis with a Cromartie or rookie type CB.
Again, I will be absolutely shocked if they have the resources to have the top two CBs in the league along with a first round draft pick (while taking into consideration the other big contracts they just signed to guys like Mangold, Ferguson, etc).
I think it's a reach for the Jets
The Jets are loaded with contracts and they will have to bring back at least Holmes, which will be pricey. They also have a bigger needs along the d-line, specifically NT. Meanwhile, Ngata, who used to play under Ryan, is going to be a FA. Basically they are going to have thier hands full come free agency, and trying to land likely the 2 biggest free agents on the defensive side of the ball of the year would be difficult, then throw in the best wideout on the market as well. I wouldn’t say it won’t happen, but I think they have too much on thier plate to really nail that deal down on the first weekend of free agency.
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I dont think they traded much for him
I think it was just a 4th round pick or something. I thought i heard somewhere that his contract is up this year.
"I told you to punt it out of bounds!" -Tom Coughlin
His contract is up, as is Edwards and Holmes contracts. Just off the top of my head.
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It would really be a shame if he signed with the Jets
They are not a bad team but I dont think they are a superbowl team now and its not like cromartie was a bad cb. Signing Asomugha would not = superbowl for them.
"I told you to punt it out of bounds!" -Tom Coughlin
I think the Jets are closer to the Superbowl than the Eagles are.
Afterall, they did just win in Indy, Birds lost at home.
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and a 2nd round pick THIS year
which guarantees that he sticks with them. You don’t waste a 2nd round pick and then a 1st on your 3rd corner with the intention of making them your 3rd and 4th corners respectively. They have waaay too many problems to address in the offseason, namely resignings.
The Jets will not get Asamugha, so no worries about that
by birds'n'raiders on Jan 12, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
They would need to resign Cromartie
for him to stay on the team. He is a UFA. They actually did make that deal for only a year….
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If anything we should be a top 3 contender for his services
Its not always about the money as cliff lee pointed out. Ive been reading other teams blog sites and a lot of their posters are saying the same things you are. The only problem is they are idiots and have no sense of how strapped for cash their teams are. Only a small list of teams has the cash to give Nnamdi as well as retain other key players. I will be extremely dissapointed with this organization if they don’t do everything they can to make him an eagle. It just makes too much sense.
"I told you to punt it out of bounds!" -Tom Coughlin
p.s.
Signing him solidifies our secondary and lets the eagles focus on the only other 2 needs. Linebackers and right side Oline. Easily turns us into one of the favorites in the NFC.
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by andyb on Jan 12, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Besides safety
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
"The way I figure it, if my heads gonna pop off it's gonna pop off anyways" - Ellis Hobbs on the possibility of his neck breaking.
by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 12, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Safety isn't a need..
Coleman-Mikel are a good combo… Allen-Mikel is even better.. and Allen-Coleman is most likely the future
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Coleman??
Coleman is living off his preseason play as far as why fans like him so much. I saw him miss tackles, get run over and be late over the top.
Allan was doing good but who knows if he ever gets back to what he was and in my opinion he needed to get better to be elite.
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
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by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 12, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Did you watch him late in the year???
He played very well..
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
coleman
coleman is a decent back up .. hes not a starter
by jack is better than asante on Jan 12, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
yes
he is a great back-up, serviceable starter but not good enough to be our guy. If he puts on 10 lbs and his FB IQ shoots up in the offseason I would be wrong on my opinion today. But if he stays what he is or only mildly improves he doesn’t cut it.
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
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by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 13, 2011 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
Actually they said he's one of the smartest players on the team.. He pretty much couldn't do anything
until training camp due to Ohio States late graduation date..
His Football IQ is pretty high for him to play that well in our system with no time to learn it.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
High IQ and Ohio State
This might be the first time I’ve heard those two mentioned in the same sentence
Fuck the buckeyes, but Coleman can play.
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For fuksake.....
…Allen is a rookie! You expect your baby to tap-dance through the after-birth? Or maybe you’ll settle for lassoing the nurse with the umbilical cord….either way, you’re asking a bit much. Elite rookies a rare and wonderful find, as are tap dancing newborns. i should know. I was one.
....and thats a Jack Fact
Pass rush is still a big need
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I don’t wanna be a top 3 contender :/
I was wrong on Julius Peppers (at least for this year) and I don’t want us to miss out on another impact FA.
:3™
i think that we made a push for Julius
but it wasnt an aggresive one, i want an aggressive push to get Asomugha from the FO…getting him will make us a serious contender for sure
He(Peppers)
wanted the bears. We would of had to blow him out of the water with a CRAZY offer. He really likes Lovie Smith and his system.
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
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by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 13, 2011 8:23 AM EST up reply actions
Thats good because the eagles play a lot of man.
"I told you to punt it out of bounds!" -Tom Coughlin
He definitely plays both. Defenses in the NFL can’t just play man, or just play zone. With that kind of predictability, NFL offenses would absolutely light them up. Now, some defenses will play more man than zone and vice versa, but they’ll never just completely go one way or the other. Since Asomugha never comes off the field, he’s most certainly playing his share of both.
It's a COMPLETE no-brainer.
He turns 30 next year, which is about the time CBs start to slip. Of course, 90% of Asomugha is still probably an elite CB and Champ Bailey and Charles Woodson (before he moved to this safety/LB hybrid) have shown that older CBs can still be dominant players. I hope they do it, because it would mean they could spend the first two picks on OL, thus validating my strategy as imaginary GM.
by Tracer Bullet on Jan 12, 2011 10:45 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
He is getting up there in age
But the positive is that Nnamdi played safety in college. He could easily switch to Safety in a few years and probably be top-notch at it too.
Nnamdi is a "young 30"
He played very little if at all during his first 3 seasons
by birds'n'raiders on Jan 12, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
That's a huge byproduct of doing this deal
Not only does it “fix” the D, but it means we can go OL-OL or OL-LB in the first two rounds. We might go BPA-BPA, but I think this is a year where we have to draft for need and “go for it” so the freedom to just take an OL would be worth whatever we had to pay.
The other thing is that the Eagles have clearly shown the propensity to pay big dollars for premium players at four positions: CB, OL, QB and DE.
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Honestly with all our young depth..
we’ve set this year up where we can mortgage a few picks and get the best player available a a position of need..
OL isn’t that great this year.. So I expect us to go CB or BPA in the 1st round.. then Address a need in the early 2nd..
We will wheel and deal this year..
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
As opposed to what?
We will wheel and deal this year…
Can’t remember the last time they stood pat. lol
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Honestly I mean even more than normal...
About what they did last year..
I think we’ll take our 9-10 picks or however many and get like 5-6 quality guys..
I wouldn’t be surprised to see 2 1st rounders in this one.. or 2 second rounders or whatever… I think we’ll try to get higher picks.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
but it means we can go OL-OL or OL-LB in the first two rounds. We might go BPA-BPA
More likely we’ll go OL then trade down until we can BPA-OL-?-LB-BPA. Oh, and in Andy speak, BPA is best project available.
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by einman77 on Jan 12, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought BPA was like Maclin at #19 or whatever my bad, or like Desean in the 2nd round....
I mean yeah… they were projects right???
Honestly bud, ripping on Reids drafting which has been very successful is a dumb thing to do..
I honestly want BPA, then BPA, then with the 3rd pick (whether in the 2nd, 3rd or whatever) go for a need if it’s not already filled.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Ried likes to trade down
That’s all I was pointing out, that the likeliness of him trading down with either the first or second rounder is high, as is him jumping up in the first to get his #1 guy if he can. He also likes to build draft picks and take a number of projects in the later rounds. I’m not ripping him for it. Then you go and call my “ripping” of his picks dumb. I didn’t mean it in any negative light, but it is a fairly consistent strategy of his. Why are you trying to be so abbrasive?
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Oh, you made it seem like all he does is get projects..
Reid’s strategy is amazing..
Get (at least)1 guy who can come in and help either immediately or soon.
get 2-3 guys who can contribute a in some way as a role player
1-2 guys who have tremendous upside that just need to be coached for a few years…
From last draft:
Allen and Graham come to mind.
Lindley, Coleman, Chaney, Cooper are the “role players”
Clayton, Te’o, Calvin, are the “projects”
IDK where to put Harbor, I don’t think he’s quite a role player because he played quite a bit, but he didn’t have an immediate impact, and he’s still a project… He’s kinda the special one in all this.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
It's funny
in rounds 3-7 it just seems like there are an equally high number of players who make it vs those that fall out of the league fairly quickly. The biggest difference is the hype. I love howAndy picks, but on draft day I buy into the hype and always find myself yelling “Why didn’t you pick HIM!!!” But yeah, he’s got quite the system worked out.
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I used the JIBTA test
and put him on the Eagles roster on Madden 11. Ridiculous how bad opposing passing games were.
Given that Madden is clearly a realistic simulation of actual football, let’s get it done.
Seriously, though, I love the move. There’s no issue that I can possibly imagine with signing him. Fix the OL and get some CB/TE depth, and that’s how you win the Lombardi.
Brent Celek is my boy
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by Carolina Iggle on Jan 12, 2011 10:52 AM EST reply actions
That’s the CNCITINFO test. Top notch stuff, there.
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by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Jan 12, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I love this test. I used it in all my betting this year…… Can I borrow some money from someone?
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it makes sense, but still seems unlikely
you make good points that the eagles are in a relatively comfortable financial situation, with such a young nucleus and no monster contracts to account for, they are probably in top 5 position to make a splash with this signing. But, you have to consider how truly monstrous Asomugha’s contract is going to be. he signed a 3-year $45.3 million dollar deal with Oakland, and you can likely expect his free agent contract to exceed $15 million per year. Let’s be conservative and say Asomugha concedes the Philly discount and would be willing to accept $18 million per year to come play next to Asante Samuel and across from Mike Vick—that, would be THREE times the Eagles next highest paid player. They’ll have to eventually lock down either Kolb or Vick for at least $10 million/year and give DeSean something closer to market value. Signing Asomugha, as much as it would help this team, goes against everything the Eagles have been building towards the last 2-3 years, giving a monster contract to a 30-year-old vet would prevent financial flexibility in the next 3-5 years and it just doesn’t seem like the type of bank-breaking move the Eagles would go for. But man I’d still be jumping for joy if they got him.
by Nathan Mandel on Jan 12, 2011 10:52 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Asomugha won’t be getting any raises from the $15M he signed in Oakland. Keep in mind, Oakland voided his contract because the $15M/year was out of hand. By saying the Eagles should overpay for him, I’m not suggesting that the Eagles give him $18M. That’s lunacy. The money they’d have to give Vick was addressed,and at the very worst, the Eagles will only be paying $5 million more to their QB’s than they did last year:
Obviously, re-signing Michael Vick is priority numero uno, and the Eagles also need to do something about DeSean Jackson’s grossly under-market contract. If the Eagles can’t get a long term deal done with Vick, they’ll franchise him and be forced to pay him a hefty salary in 2011. Just as a reference, the salary figure for quarterbacks that were tagged was roughly $16.4 million. It should be slightly more in 2011. Let’s pretend for a minute that the QB franchise tag number jumps to $18 million 2011. Since Vick made $4,500,000 last season, that would be a raise of $13.5 million. Kevin Kolb, meanwhile made over $10 million in 2010. In 2011, he’ll make $1,392,000, which means the Eagles will save over $8,500,000 off his contract. Therefore, at the worst, the Eagles will only have to pay their QB’s $5 million more in 2011 than they did in 2010.
As for Jackson, sure, you can probably add another 6-9 mil if they get something done there, but with the 10 big contracts they purged last year, that’s chump change.
Jimmy I think your numbers are off....
I think it’ll be a good deal less than 5 mil more. Just off the top of my head I think vick was around 5 million, and Kolb had that 12 million roster bonus, so that’s 17 million there. Even if we paid Vick 17 million that’s just staying even. That said we have plenty of money to make this happen.
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if you franchise vick for $18 million and solve the QB situation for one year, you’re still going to have to pay him between $15-$18million/year after next season is over for the course of however many years you want to sign him. same with Jackson at $6-$9million, like you said.
2010 QB Salaries:
Vick $4.5 mil
Kolb $715,000 (plus signing bonus of $10.7 million= $11.4 million)
Total: $15.9 mil
2011 Projected QB Salaries (if both stay):
Vick: $18 mil (franchise tag)
Kolb: $1.4 mil
Total: $19.4 mil
2012 Projected QB Salaries:
Vick/Kolb sign long term deal, somewhere between $15-$18 million per year.
The point of all this is that in 2011, assuming Kolb stays, the Eagles will be paying $3.5 million more at the QB position than they did in 2010. And at most , $2 million more for the QB position 2012 than they paid in 2010. Both these figures are relatively negligible until you add DeSean’s likely $6-9 million per year…Let’s say he signs for $7 million a year. Together, the Eagles will pay about $9.5 million more in 2011 and 2012, (and 2013-2015 for that matter), for the services of DeSean Jackson and their QB of choice.
Now I admit $18 million per year was unrealistic for Asomugha, so let’s use julius peppers’ contract from last year as a barometer for Asomugha, both are about the same age and both represent elite talent at a key defensive position. Peppers got 6 years, $91.5 million from the Bears. the first three years of the contract pay him $40.5 million (and then it escalates in the latter years). That would be $13.5 million per year for the first three years for Asomugha. The question is, will the Eagles pay Asomugha more than twice the current highest paid player, on top of Vick/Kolb and DeSean’s $9.5 million extra?
$13.5 million for Asomugha and $9.5 million more in 2011 for QB+DJax is an extra $23 million a year for those three players for 2011 and beyond. It seems doable, despite incoming rookie contracts and Peters/Samuels inflating contracts, but will the Eagles actually pull the trigger? My sense is that they’d rather invest in multiple young talents and see if they can hit the jackpot for a lot cheaper.
by Nathan Mandel on Jan 12, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
sorry that was long and rather dry, but I just realized eaglescap.com says there is $15 million current budget space…that number should increase after some cuts, but if it’s accurate, it looks like the Eagles couldn’t afford to sign Asomugha and extend their QBs/DJax, according to my above calculations.
I really want them to sign Asomugha, but I’m trying to use math (and I hate math) to prepare myself for the inevitable letdown.
by Nathan Mandel on Jan 12, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Eaglescap.com is unfortunately not up to date. My man fell asleep over there, haha. In fact, the “budget space” is kind of meaningless right now, since there’s currently no salary cap.
yeah that makes sense. we’ll just have to wait and see on Asomugha.
after a few days to digest the GB loss, i’m more excited about next year then i have been in a long time. you could argue that the off-season has never been more important to this team because they seem on the verge of becoming truly elite IF the off-season is a success.
by Nathan Mandel on Jan 12, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
thanks, i’ve been a reader for over a year now and just recently decided to get involved in the discussion, lots of passionate, intelligent eagles fans up in here
by Nathan Mandel on Jan 12, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I would argue this
you could argue that the off-season has never been more important to this team because they seem on the verge of becoming truly elite IF the off-season is a success.
And yes, welcome. Good first few posts.
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I'm going to love Nathan..
so much work into his comments, he really brings a lot of information and knowledge to a discussion or argument..
Nathan, when (not if but WHEN) I we brawl on here (actually just a back or forth over a disagreement) keep it coming, I like a challenge..
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thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
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Too bad we have to wait a few months to see what happens.
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I know. We can't address this soon enough
for my tastes. lol
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Another reason to sign Nnamdi is to prevent him from going to another NFC East team. Dallas could certainly be in the running for him.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 12, 2011 10:57 AM EST reply actions
Good point. I think every NFC East team will look at him, and I really don’t want to play against him 2x a year.
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Nice post..
I know I’d like to go younger at CB (and I still would) but bringing in this guy would be fantastic for Lindley, allow him to learn behind a guy who I feel he could end up resembling, and allow him to learn from Asante and learn learn learn for a few years (like Sheldon, Sheppard, and most of our other historically great CB’s did) then when Asamwhatever retires or declines we’ve got a nice replacement.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
if he is smart he wants to play in philly
on a contender with another excellent corner
by andyfrombrooklyn on Jan 12, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bunkley's salary shocks me
Is that his rookie contract?
I guess I didn’t realize the Eagles never extended him.
Yeah, where he was picked (14th overall, I think), guys usually get 5-year deals, so that should be about right. Either the Eagles have little interest in extending him, or Bunk was willing to roll the dice and play out his rookie deal.
Yeah
That surprised me. He appeared to be a key core guy in that defense over the last few years. I just assumed they extended him. But now after losing his starting spot, it wouldn’t suprise me if the Eagles let him play out his contract.
It wouldn’t surprise me if they traded him this offseason, in fact. He should be able to net at least a 2nd rounder, if not more.
by Team Serbia on Jan 12, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Seeing all those numbers, I don’t know if the FO will make that move. I guess Asomugha will expect a huge contract, like the one he had in Oakland. He was scheduled to receive top QB money. Literally.
The Raiders had an option for 2011, which would be worth either $16.8 million or the amount of the quarterback franchise tag, whichever is greater.
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Sign it:
Everyone.
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I don’t know if he will necessarily want tons of money, I’m guessing he just wants to win. Rumors have it he wants to go to GB to play with Woodson again but considering the money they are paying him and Tramon Williams I doubt they can pull it off. Nmamdi would make almost to much sense for the Eagles to sign him, but one can only hope!!
Some of the Eagles writers have said they won’t be surprised if it gets ugly in the contract talks with DeSean he supposedly wants top $$. I’m fine giving him $8-10mil but I don’t think he should be paid like Fitzgerald
His game-by-game inconsistency concerns me.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 12, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think many of us would be surprised if it gets ugly
or if a Rosenhaus client asks for more than he’s worth.
Bottom line, does the extension get done or not.
DeSean is not a free agent so he doesn’t have max leverage. He knows he’s fragile, and the Eagles will try to use it against him, but same time that’s all the more reason he should collect a very large signing bonus before he plays another game.
Re: inconsistency; I thought about this though. Can you think of a game in which DeSean had a huge play that we lost?
Me neither. He turns toss-ups into Ws. The Eagles know this and will make a generous offer, though less than what Rosenhaus is asking for. In the end, both sides would do well to agree to it … no telling if they will though.
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1. He is 30 years old
2. He will be asking for a 10-15 mill/yr
3. He would want a contract for 4+ years
4. Two years from now both Asante and Nmandi will be 32 yrs old
5. Both Asante and Nmandi would cost 20 mill for one season
Who's Been Eatin' Hummus?
She passed wind, excused herself, and sponged off in the corner as I sat dazed and confused...
He’s actually turning 30 in July.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 12, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
1. He is 30 years old – He sure is.
2. He will be asking for a 10-15 mill/yr – Yeah, probably.
3. He would want a contract for 4+ years – Football contracts and baseball contract are very, very different. In baseball, the money is guaranteed for the length of the contract. in the NFL, not so much. Players actually prefer shorter contracts in the NFL with more guaranteed money up front. Teams prefer long ones.
4. Two years from now both Asante and Nmandi will be 32 yrs old – Yup, but in the NFL, 3 years is an eternity. It’s not like Nnamdi is an OL and he’s smashing into 300 pound beasts 60 times every week. He’s covering WR’s, and not really even getting much physical contact, since they completely stay away from him.
5. Both Asante and Nmandi would cost 20 mill for one season – Normally, I’d agree that could be an issue. But with the team having almost no big-money guys, who cares?
Also would normally take issue with No. 5
5. Both Asante and Nmandi would cost 20 mill for one season
But again, these guys would improve the other 9. Their impact would be felt throughout the entire defense, so to look at it as “wow we’re spending a lot on cornerbacks” is a very narrow view.
Put another, very Eagle-centric way:
We’ve seen this defense function when it has two very good corners, and when it does not.
Which do you prefer?
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Great article
I don’t think there’s a premier pass rusher in FA, so Nmandi is the next best thing. I wouldn’t get caught up in his age. He seems to be in the mold of a Charles Woodson.
Don't Sweat the Technique...
Eagles coveting Asomugha?
By Mark J. Miller / Scoop Du Jour
Nnamdi AsomughaCornerback Nnamdi Asomugha(notes) has been made a free agent by the Oakland Raiders and CSN Philly is reporting that the 29-year-old four-time Pro Bowler is “at the top of the … priority list” for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Man, maybe it could happen…..
Asomugha is at the top of Reuben Frank’s priority list, not necessarily the Eagles’. Thanks for the competent journalism, Yahoo.
And when I read the Reuben Frank piece yesterday
it said in the comments that Asomugha had a wish list of teams and the Eagles were on it. Unless it was on ESPN Insider or behind some other pay wall, this list does not exist.
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From ESPN insider rumor rundown..
Though the Philadelphia Eagles are allegedly not one of Nnamdi Asomugha’s preferred destinations — those being the New York Jets and Green Bay Packers, according to David White of the San Francisco Chronicle — they could wind up being his eventual landing spot once the free agency period opens this offseason. As we’ve been mentioning, there aren’t many teams that wouldn’t like to have Asomugha in their defensive backfield if the price is right.
The Eagles did have some deficiencies in the secondary this season, and it’s possible that the team will upgrade this offseason. But would they really fork over another megabucks deal to a CB when Asante Samuel is slated to be paid $24.7 million over the next three seasons? ESPN NFC East blogger Matt Mosley opined in Tuesday’s chat that that deal actually shows that the team is willing to break the bank when they see a player they want:
- Tim Kavanagh
Matt Mosley
They’ll make inquiries
“I think [Eagles GM] Howie Roseman will at least look at the possibility. They don’t mind paying some money for a star player, as we’ve seen in the past with Samuel.”
Thanks
From what it sounds like — Jets and Packers — NA is placing a high premium on playing for a contender with another elite corner.
Since both of them are still playing and have very good secondaries already, my guess is we fit the mold as much as anyone else.
Bottom line is how much the Eagles are willing to pay. I don’t think a losing team really has a chance, not after a guy leaves Oakland. Someone like Atlanta or Chicago or Kansas City — playoff team with need in the secondary — could worry me though.
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I guess the other thing is I'd like to read this ...
… from a non-Eagles, all-NFL source, or better, from NA or his agent. I’d like to hear him say (and this might never happen) yes they’re in the mix.
It might never happen that way of course.
(is obsessed)
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If we have NA and AS as our corners, I could be the DC and we’d be one of the top defenses in the NFL. I really, really, REALLY want him to be an Eagle. Here’s hoping!
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by NJBammer on Jan 12, 2011 11:48 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
NA and AS
shorten it to NAS and we have" Nasty Nas" as our secondary name and automatically we become illmattic.
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
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by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 12, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
It ain’t hard to tell…that secondary would be the best.
by djthekidd on Jan 12, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nice one
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
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by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 12, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
We would Ether teams
I figured there was maybe one more chance to get one in before that got ran into the ground.
Probably coulda did something with “Halftime” there too :)
I’m definitely referring to them as Nasty NaS though.
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NASty secondary, second to none?
The motto of the 2011 season…
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant
Is anyone else worried about a Trent Cole holdout? That man is grossly underpaid.
by philiafan14364 on Jan 12, 2011 11:59 AM EST reply actions
I was about to mention that.
The fact hes barely making as much as Darryl Tapp is sickening.
Oof.
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It makes sense. It works. It helps. It won’t happen. Too much competition for this FO to go out and compete against 20 or so teams and pay this man top dollar. With the new Djax deal and Vick deals, I just think this FO will look to the draft…again…to fill our void at corner. They are already so high on themselves the way they man-handled the draft this year that I think they will have the idea in their heads that they can do it again.
I’m not sure, but it seems like some of the best rookie corners this year have come in the later rounds of the draft. I know McCourty was like a 4th rounder, and I think theres one or two more that have turned out to be great and taken in the later rounds. If we don’t get this signing, I think we should start looking into the later rounds of the draft to see what CB’s are going to be available.
Oof.
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Devin McCoutry of the Patriots? He was taken 27th overall this year, and that’s where he was projected to go. Late 1st round.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 12, 2011 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
While I agree that there are players in house to lock up
If the money is there they will make a big push for this guy. If we know about this hole in our defense the FO knows. CB is one position where they have demonstrated that they’ll pay for a big name (both lines come to mind, too). Plus fi they resign Vick (probable), they are going more into a win in the next couple of years push (not completely, but Vick is 30). This guy at 30 would fit that MO.
I think that they have this guy in their cross hairs. Whether they can get something worked out is another story, but they will make an attempt.
Go Eagles!
Think ofiti this way
If we lock up Namdi our offense will only have to average above 17 points per game. Our defense would improve that much.
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
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by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 12, 2011 12:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
think of it
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
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by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 12, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Which is it very capable of doing
without any changes on that side of the ball. And you know we’re going line.
Basically, this is the reason why you free so much money up.
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The Eagles will not be signing Aso, he will require franchise QB money as a CB and he is going to be 30. The Eagles need cap space for the coming Vick and Jackson contracts and the youth movement is very clearly underway.
Merry Vickmas everyone! * Falls into pile of snow DeSean style *
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In that case, then, what can they do to legitimately address the CB position?
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 12, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
he will require franchise QB money as a CB
He may want franchise QB money, but he isn’t getting it. Oakland has already recognized how dumb that contract was, so they voided it. I think the market for corners that Oakland screwed up will settle down a bit.
he is going to be 30.
True, but he hasn’t had more than 40 tackles in any one season since 2006 because QB’s are so petrified to throw his way. The wear and tear on him isn’t like other players. And it’s not like the Eagles shy away from players Asomugha’s age. They signed Terrell Owens to a huge deal when he was 31. They signed Darren Howard to a big deal when he was 30.
the youth movement is very clearly underway.
The Eagles are already one of the youngest teams in the NFL, and they currently have 9 picks in the upcoming draft. They can continue to infuse youth into their roster, and rookies are extremely cheap (high 1st rounders aside). But as they continue to build their core of young players, what’s the harm in adding a vet, especially if he’s arguably the best player at his position in the game?
by JimmyK on Jan 12, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
great point
what’s the harm in adding a vet, especially if he’s arguably the best player at his position in the game?
Not only is there no harm
It’s exactly WHY you manage your cap like this, so you can make this move when you need to and other teams can’t.
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My ideal situation
Either sign Asomugha or Mankins (I’d prefer NA), then draft whatever position you didn’t sign in the first round.
The Pats O-Line is the focal point of that offense, they won’t let him go.
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by begforme4484 on Jan 12, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
O-Line is the focal point of that offense
I’m an Eagles fan, what does that mean?
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by BWestFactor on Jan 12, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
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Playing golf in early January for 2 years straight?
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by BWestFactor on Jan 12, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
A focus on the o-line would help this offense more than explosive playmakers on the outside. It’s fine and dandy to have guys who can turn 5 yard outs into 91 yard TDs but does you no good if your QB gets crushed before he has a chance to throw the ball.
Funny how the tables have turned
Early in the 2000’s, Andy focused heavily on the O-line, while having an atrocious WR corps (Pinkston, Thrash, Brown, Mitchell, etc, etc, etc). Fans continuously yearned for an Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Terrell Owens type WR. But now we have one of the best WR duo’s in the league and fans can’t stop bitching and moaning about the o-line. Now things keep being said like this:
A focus on the o-line would help this offense more than explosive playmakers on the outside.
I wish we could have our cake and eat it too, but it’s not that easy.
by Smitty2K3 on Jan 12, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This right here is my point
while having an atrocious WR corps (Pinkston, Thrash, Brown, Mitchell, etc, etc, etc)
Back then, had the FO been capable of fielding a decent receiving corp as opposed to completely terrible one, there would have been less fan outrage.
Now, we have Batman & Robin out wide with The Green Hornet in the slot but the QB spends as much of his time running for his life as he is completing passes.
Exactly what I was thinking
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
So true
It would be great if we could acquire high caliber OL, CB, LB, WR, etc, etc. all at once, but that just can’t happen.
It’s clear that we have high end skill players and the FO has done a great job in that regard. Now it’s time to focus on the OL and the defense. These things take years not months.
by PF_Flyers22 on Jan 12, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No but ...cmon....
They signed (and kept) the Andrews sisters for Wayyyyy too long. They put all their hopes and dreams into high draft picks (Dunlap, Justice). They drafted too many unproven hybrid DE/LB that didnt pan out…..they had opportunities to “Have their cake and eat it too”
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Usually when someone says “high draft pick” they mean a 1st or 2nd rounder. That’s at least how I’ve always read it.
Picture it this way…. You start listing each draft pick at the top of a sheet of paper. The #1 pick is the “highest” pick in the draft (at the top of the sheet of paper) with each pick after that being lower.
Haha that’s kind of a kindergarten-type of an explanation, but that’s how I’ve always interpreted it.
If it makes you feel any better
or not…it can go either way. Its like golf the higest score is the lowest, who wins …..anyways I did screw up when talking about Justice, I forgot he was taken so “early” aaaah there we go :-)
But anyways my point still remains that the Eagles havent been focusing on the Oline for a few years, have made poor decisions on the FA market, and put too much hope in Castillo.
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Peters?
the Eagles havent been focusing on the Oline for a few years
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
They also went out and got Stacy..
they extended Justice to sure up the RT spot..
Kept the quality depth we had in Nick Cole and MJG.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Um, I disagree...
2 years ago we traded for Peters, knew Shawn Andrews would be the RT, had Stacy at RG, Jamaal at Center and Herremans at LG..
We had no needs then with Nick Cole and MJG as backups with Justice being the swing tackle…
Then Shawn went on injured reserve.. Justice starts the year and did very well, becomes the RT of the future.
Stacy just plain couldn’t get back, Nick Cole was the one of 2 OLmen to start all the games…
So even though we went from Jason-Todd-Jamaal-Stacy-Shawn to Jason-Todd-Jamaal-Cole-Justice we still looked good on the OL.
Then…
Jamaal got hurt..
So last off-season with Nick Cole playing well at OG, and Justice playing well at RT we had good depth in Max, Stacy, and would have Jamaal and Shawn coming back..
My point is they did focus on the OL, went out and got a top shelf LT, and a good RG to fill the only needs we have.. 1 worked out and 1 did not, then the RT plan went to shit…
Now I agree they put to much on Castillo, can’t keep handing him chunks of earth and telling him to find the gold in it and expect him to hit every time.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
by wild_eagle on Jan 12, 2011 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Funny (Depressing) how
Just two years ago we were all touting this line as potentially the best in the league.
Then it all went to hell.
I’ll give you the DE/LB argument…totally agree there. At some point it’s also about the simple luck of the draw. You’re going to get your Daniel Te’o-Nesheims and Bryan Smiths.
But you’re also going to get Jamar Chaneys and Kurt Colemans. Some guys pan out and some don’t.
by PF_Flyers22 on Jan 12, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeh and thats fair enough
I just think that the best OL are usually in the early rounds. Instead of going DE-FS-DE-LB-QB…..they could have thrown in a linemen in there last year (or make a play for one). There is a lot of luck involved I know, I just think that the way the FO has dealt with the draft/FA/trade in regards to OL has been very poor in the last 5 or so years.
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What? they had a total HIT on Peters bro...
yes, they’ve dropped the ball a little.. but there’s been no real need till this year..
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Very true
At one point, when it looked like Stacy might be something, we had eight linemen we though could play if necessary. That’s stacking the deck.
They signed (and kept) the Andrews sisters for Wayyyyy too long.
Stacy was here for a season and a training camp. If anything, they admitted the mistake quickly on that one.
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Yes... We had 8 lineman we thought were starter quality to great.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
We had 8 linemen we thought were starter quality
Then someone obviously dropped the ball……badly…..
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by BWestFactor on Jan 13, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
While I agree with it there, I think it's a little more than the Luck of the draw...
and I don’t think you can put Te’o in with Brian Smith yet..
Te’o actually has the build for a good DE, now it’s up to him to put it all together.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
teo
teo is trash .. just like teabow .. u have no ability to judge talent .. who ever u want .. i want the eagles to stay far away from
by jack is better than asante on Jan 12, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Jibta, I actually dislike Te’o, I think we took him 4 rounds to early… He’s got the size, and the lateral ability.. But he doesn’t have the burst the Eagles like… I’m just saying it’s to early to label him a “brian smith”…
Really JIBTA, so you don’t want NA, Joseph etc? because we’ve been kinda agreeing on FA’s we’d like to bring in..
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
opportunities
..they had opportunities to "Have their cake and eat it too"
True. If they had hit on Stacy, this would all be moot. We might even have a game this week.
That said, name me the team that hits on all of its draft picks and FA signings.
I’ll wait.
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Yo, I'd hit 100% of the time.. the "busts" are just because I'd want to help out the competition so it
could keep up
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
You must have just started following the Eagles
For years they went O-Line heavy and had crap WRs.
To Eagles FO (usually…Jason Peters is large exception)
QB & WR > O-line
Seriously, this only applies to this past season.
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No, been an Eagles fan 20+ years...
QB & WR > O-line
That post was in regards to the here and now.
O-Line was a focal point early in big andy’s regime. Once they built a decent line (Tre, Herr, honey buns, shawn, big jon) the assumed they could coach up low round/undrafted talent. Aside from Winston Justice and Jason Peters, what major moves have been made on the o-line in the past 6 years?
But when it comes to skill positions, they have gone big money FA (T.O), 1st round WR (J-Mac, FredEx), and early 2nd round RB & WR (shady, desean)
Oh, okay
Agreed they’ve let the line fall into disrepair, but that comes as a surprise to no one here, and probably no one in the front office or coaching staff. It was patchwork, and that’s just a reality that most times you can’t have a perfect roster.
To say that the front office values WR over OL I don’t think holds up at all; over the course of the 11 years, they’ve used high picks on every position, even LB. In any case, since we’re all on the same page, there’s nothing to argue about.
Unless they somehow manage to NOT address the line this offseason.
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DO IT
pop da trunk get ‘a’ wiff of that new car smell.
He hit him in a bad spot... the hands.
by DaaaBirdsDaBirds on Jan 12, 2011 1:40 PM EST reply actions
I would love Asomugha but you guys should look at this another way. He will get a good 5+ million more per year than the next best corners(Grimes, Joseph,). That’s another good player’s salary. Signing him could mean we would be unable to bring back Mikell or sign another big free agent. If I had the choice of just Nnamdi or Joseph + Carl Nicks/Mikell/Davin Joseph etc, I would go with the latter.
There are good free agent corners available and this draft is pretty deep at corner. At least half the NFL is going after Asomugha. It would be really tough. The Eagles have recently shown with Peppers that they will go after big free agents but if the contract goes out of their price range, they will not pursue any further. Let’s not get our hopes up too high for NA.
Screw you man! I’m an eagles fan! I will always get my hopes up high! Lol
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by immynimmy on Jan 12, 2011 2:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that the Eagles put their name in and if it gets too expensive
they pull it out (i.e. Peppers, Dawkins).
Same time, when they fall in love, they go big (Samuel, Peters), and I don’t know why they wouldn’t fall in love with NA since it’s the perfect marriage of positional need, position they value and literally the best or second-best player you could possibly have at that spot.
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Id take NA over Revis
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I'd take NA over NA+another player, as Route36 said
Normally I would want more players (i.e. the Eagles draft strategy, and they just got eight rookies who were major contributors, so I think it’s usually sound).
But NA can literally make the entire defense better. So the question is really do you want two good players or NA+10 better players.
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One problem
Our CB tackling would be the worst in the league, lol. If it wasn’t already.
by cin7 on Jan 12, 2011 2:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
this is not founded in any type of reality
Tackling was one of the STRENGTHS of our CBs this year.
by birds'n'raiders on Jan 12, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you think NA is a bad tackler?
The only reason he has hardly any tackles is because the ball is never thrown near him. I mean didnt he only let up 200 yards last year? Patterson and Hobbs both almost do that in one game.
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I'm obviously not debating their coverage skills
The only two good teams we lost to (Green Bay and Chicago) were lost on screen or run plays with poor tackling. I don’t see replacing Patterson with NA as being a huge upgrade in the tackling department, do you? Also, the huge pass plays given up by our D were mostly against below average teams that we ended up beating anyway.
I checked NA’s wiki page and he did have a record high of 55 solo tackles in 2005. Again, that stat is just as subject to debate as anything else. So I dunno, would NA step-up against the run/screen pass?
Nate Allen = bad tackles (rookie, could improve)
Coleman = ehhh, he’s small, but was impressive, doubt he will start next year though
Mikell = hit and miss from what I remember
Asante = injures himself just as often as he makes a clean tackle
Sims = overshoots every tackle and ends up too far up field
Bradley = usually in the right place to make a tackle if he’s not on the bench
Patterson = awesome tackles on the run
So my question is still.. who will step up on the Screen and side-line runs with NA/Asante as CB? I think we rock the run down the middle.. it’s Trent Cole losing containment and a CB/safety making a tackle that has been our downfall.
NA would be a HUGE improvement overall and any decent D-coord could build a defense around Asante/NA to stop the run. I just don’t have that kind of confidence in McD… really hope he’s fired this offseason.
My only point was that NA/Asante’s weakness would definitely be the screen/run plays which we basically lost to Green Bay because of. So it’s a little weird coming out of a huge playoff loss and seeing a post about a free agent that wouldn’t fix that specific problem… hence my original comment.
Yeahhhh... but so was Asante early on...
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
This is nitpicking to the highest degree
I don’t see replacing Patterson with NA as being a huge upgrade in the tackling department, do you?
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Here's the thing about the screens and such
NA and Asante would be such a reliable corner tandem that you could honestly commit an extra safety to tackling if need be, you could dial up the JJ blitzes he used when he had two great corners, etc.
No doubt we were a poor tackling team, and Ernie Sims is his own separate issue and will be gone either way. Having two corners like “NaS” … We’re talking about playing 9 against 8 here, it has to improve the overall team tackling.
NA, regardless of his individual tackling skills, would improve the team’s tackling by proxy.
Bottom line, even if we still can’t stop screens, a team can’t run 70 of those a game. If our defense can stop the run, generate turnovers and be extremely hard to pass against, I think we can afford to be vulnerable against the screen.
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I think we can afford to be vulnerable against the screen.
NA use to be a safety… I think he can tackle.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Haha wait
Didn’t you just shoot my statement down above?
I think Nnamdi can hold his own as a tackler. He was a safety in college afterall.
Then you come down here and just re-state exactly what I said?
What was your point by saying:
Yeahhhh… but so was Asante early on…
Well, Nnamdi played
Safety in college, converted in the Pro’s..
Asante was a safety until like 1/2 way through his freshman season…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
I’ve watched some film on NA, and I’m not a guru/scout/coach or anything, but the guy has pretty damn good mechanics for tackling and he doesn’t really get beat or out of position too often. I really doubt that’s something that we should be worrying too much about regarding NA signing
by notfromphilly on Jan 13, 2011 3:23 AM EST up reply actions
You know what'd fix the whole tackling worry???
If NA and AS don’t allow many catches… and if the other team runs or throws a screen all they do is put forth an effort and allow our LB’s to pursue and our Safety’s to make a hit.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
I'm skeptical that the FO will tie up that much scratch in Asomugha.
If we don’t land him, we must sign Jonathan Joseph, IMHO.
Exactly what I wanted, thanks Jimmy
I think the deal will get done, and it will a 3 year deal. Align him up with Asante too.
I think its going to work out real good here.
We cut Justice, Hanson, Jackson and maybe Tapp (I seriously think we got raped on that trade, Clemons was better pass rusher)
Q, Desean, Vick all need their money too. I would also say that Dixon and Bunkley too.
It makes
too much sense to sign him. Thus the eagles won’t
:roll eyes:
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Rec'd
But I’m curious what we do about DJax – I didnt even realize how much more Maclin made than him, and I can think with other people getting paaaaaaaid, he’s going to make a stink about renegotiating.
I’m really not familiar with this, but like say Desean says F it I dont want to pay for a half mil – is his only option to pull a Revis and hold out on training camp?
Honestly Maclin earned every single penny of that money this year...
he’s the first WR we’ve had get double digit TD’s in a season since TO.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
maclin
is our best wr hands down
by jack is better than asante on Jan 12, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
JIBTA, I thought I couldn't evaluate talent and you wanted away from whoever I like?
And I happen to agree with that statement.. so which one are you going to contridict?
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
I’d say that if the Eagles don’t get something done with Jackson by the time mini camps roll around, he’s a surefire bet to start making some noise, and I can’t say I’d blame him.
Pretty much.
We all know Rosenhaus vs. Eagles mean there’s going to be some serious highball vs. lowball going on.
The bottom line is twofold: Jackson is both fragile and one of the most explosive players in the NFL. He’s also not a free agent, which means he doesn’t have quite the leverage he needs. Both sides acknowledge he’s very much underpaid.
Therefore it stands to reason that the deal gets done before Jackson ever takes another hit — as he’s proven what he can do (he basically wins games). The Eagles will try to cover their butts a little by not locking themselves into something with major future dollars committed over several years, but that’s how they do all their deals.
Long story short, I expect a big lump sum payment for Jackson, as well as a deal with low base salaries or weighted with incentives.
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are you kidding me with shadys contract?
good for us.
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Sigh
If only we signed Peppers this past offseason and taken Earl Thomas in place of Graham… We wouldn’t even have had to play last week and we’d be hosting a game this weekend.
by andyreidswaistline on Jan 12, 2011 10:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Agreed
We haven’t done a good job at drafting DB’s since all the way back to Sheldon and Lito. Look at the past few drafts and barely any of them are still on the team (excluding the most recent one with Lindley, Coleman, and Allen, whom all have potential). Considine, Gaddis, Barksdale, Harris, Demps, Ikegwuonu. It’s ridiculous. SIGN NNAMDI
Those are all fourth and fifth-round picks though
Brown/Sheppard/Lewis/Dawkins were all late 1st or second rounders and were more likely to succeed. Same with Allen.
I tend not to get on a team too bad for getting a few meh years out of fourths and fifths, with the occasional Cole/Celek gem.
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Yeah I agree
I still think Andy (and co.) is an above average drafter. I don’t expect a ton from those middle or late round guys. But to see all of the mid-round secondary guys he has whiffed on is kind of unfortunate. Hopefully Lindley is an exception.
Hell, DJax barely makes more than King Dunlap. That just isn’t right…
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True
I usually can’t stand when players hold out and act like babies just to get money. But I would not blame DJax one bit if he was to do just that.
I don’t think he deserves to be the top-paid WR in the league. But he does deserve to get a hansom extension. Not only for his performance on the field, but the overall publicity he brings to the Eagles.
I'm not going to read through all these posts but...this won't work out because
Aso is a man corner and Asante is more of a zone corner.
my conclusion is it starts with the corner.
the oline needs help too. but part of the reason it sucked was because the eagles were under so much pressure to score all the time. even in the poor offensive showings, two touchdowns were scored. no shutouts. no only field goal games. ask a jets fan about their green bay game. ZERO POINTS.
when you have to score with every possesion and it is seen as a failure when you don’t the qb becomes more vulnerable to hits as the pass plays, deep drops, and desperate scrambles mount in number.
but the demands on the o go way down if the d was more reliable. put a great corner alongside asante and there it is.
better d means you don’t have to score all the time. ask the ravens and steelers.
by andyfrombrooklyn on Jan 15, 2011 11:17 AM EST reply actions
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