Sean McDermott, Asante Samuel never straying from the left side, and Nnamdi Asomugha in Philly?
by JimmyK on Jan 10, 2011 10:33 AM EST
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PrintI have just one major beef with Sean McDermott's style, and that's his usage of the cornerbacks and how they line up pre-snap. For years, both under McDermott and the late Jim Johnson, the Eagles corners play one side or the other. They did it that way when it was Troy Vincent-Bobby Taylor, they did it during the Lito Sheppard-Sheldon Brown days, they did it with Asante Samuel and Sheldon Brown, and they continue to do it today with Asante Samuel and (fill in the CB). The "#1 corner" plays the left side, the "#2 corner" plays the right. But there's a huge difference between the Jim Johnson days and this current team - The Eagles have always had two good corners. This year they have precisely one.
On Sunday, the Packers used that strategy against the Eagles by employing 1 WR, 2 TE sets that essentially negated Samuel as a player. Here's how they lined up on several occasions (please excuse my 3rd-rate X's and O's):
Greg Jennings was typically the receiver lined up out wide to the Eagles' right side (Patterson's side), while the they employed a 2 TE set to the Eagles' left side, essentially making Samuel somewhat of a linebacker. Because the Eagles refuse to stray from the philosophy of moving their corners around, what you have here is Dimitri Patterson covering a fantastic WR in Jennings, while your star corner not only doesn't have a receiver to cover at all, but is also now a liability against the run. What makes it all the more frustrating is that Patterson is actually a nice run defender that isn't afraid to get his nose dirty. This was a nice design by Packers coach Mike McCarthy, who was counting on the Eagles to not vary from their philosophy, and it created big mismatches.
I asked McDermott about that formation, and whether or not he planned on moving his corners around a little more next season, to which he replied, "We'll see." So, in other words, probably not.
Now that isn't to say that I think Sean McDermott did a bad job this season, or that we should all be lining his block with pitchforks and torches. The stubbornness of not moving the corners around aside, I actually think McDermott did a solid job with the hand he was dealt. If I were to ask you how many defensive players started yesterday that didn't start Week 1, without thinking about it, how many would you say off the top of your head?
The answer: 6. That's right... 6. More than half of the defensive unit:
| Position | Player | Round drafted | Week 1 starter? |
|---|---|---|---|
| LDE | Juqua Parker | Undrafted | No |
| DT | Mike Patterson | 1 | Yes |
| DT | Antonio Dixon | Undrafted | No |
| RDE | Trent Cole | 5 | Yes |
| WILL | Ernie Sims | 1 | Yes |
| MIKE | Jamar Chaney | 7 | No |
| SAM | Moise Fokou | 7 | No |
| LCB | Asante Samuel | 4 | Yes |
| SS | Quintin Mikell | Undrafted | Yes |
| FS | Kurt Coleman | 7 | No |
| CB | Dimitri Patterson | Undrafted | No |
While we're on the topic of corners, there was some interesting news out of Oakland yesterday. Nnamdi Asomugha's contract will be voided, making him an unrestricted free agent this offseason. There will be fans of every single NFL team that will be saying "OH MY GOD, WE'VE GOT TO GET HIM!!!" But in this case with the Eagles, it just makes TOO much sense. With the Eagles having dumped so many salaries over the past few years (Donovan McNabb, Brian Westbrook, Kevin Curtis, Reggie Brown, Stacy Andrews, Shawn Andrews, Sheldon Brown, etc), and probably a few more players that may not be Eagles in 2011 (Ernie Sims, Kevin Kolb, and dare I say... Stewart Bradley?), they should be in a position to make a strong move for Asomugha. While Asomugha will turn 30 in July, I believe he falls under the Terrell Owens category of former Eagles free agent possibilities in which they say "Screw it... he's older than we'd prefer, but he's just so freaking good."
Signing Asomugha would instantly turn Eagles' biggest need heading into the offseaon into the best corner tandem in the NFL. It would also afford them the ability to go after other severe need areas in the draft (I'm looking directly at you, right side of the OL). I hate to be the "OH MY GOD WE HAVE TO GET HIM" guy and set off a string of articles reminiscent of Anquan Boldin circa 2009, but... Oh my God, we have to get him.
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Can we borrow the extremely smug Ruben Amaro Jr. this off-season, Phillies? Please?
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 10, 2011 10:39 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
In this case at least
Asomugha is an absolute beast and fills one of our biggest needs and allows us to focus on the o-line
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by Djax10 on Jan 10, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly
I think we will make a strong push for him, but that is not to say we will actually get him.
What about the god awful blitz packages he comes up with. Why do teams constantly get free shots at our qb, but other teams seem to have all day. We always hear about other teams scheming against Vick. Do we scheme against anyone one? If so has it ever worked?
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by EaglesandRavensFan on Jan 10, 2011 10:43 AM EST via mobile reply actions
i also feel this way
we get some well timed sacks…sometimes…but by and large we get little pressure, while our QB runs for their freaking life every time their hands touch the ball
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If they do sign Asomugha
I still want them to draft a corner early. We need CBs who can compete against players like Dez Bryant, Roy Williams, Miles Austin, Steve Smith, Mario Manningham, and Hakeem Nicks for the next 6-8 years.
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The Eagles blitz
is about the worst in the league. I just dont get it. It almost never gets the the QB on time. Why the fuck do it at all then. So bad….
As for Asomugha, the Eagles should really push to sign him. They would still have Lindley for youth and patterson, and maybe a late rounder for depth. This way they could focus their draft on the OLine, Dline and LB
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by BWestFactor on Jan 10, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
ummmmm
Patterson is still a good “backup” CB.
Hanson isn’t bad to cover the slot.
but 4th rounder CB wouldn’t be bad (If we get Asomugha. If not then first round pick = CB)
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by DRIVE FOR FIVE on Jan 10, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
that Patterson is a good backup CB and Hanson is decent in the slot, but in theory…
Say you sign Asomugha. That gives you two 30 year old (stud) cornerbacks. I would absolutely love this, but I think drafting another CB high in the draft would not be a bad idea. I think Samuel and Asomugha might have two more good years left in them. During the next year or two, you bring in another top-end young CB to groom while Samuel and Nnamdi play out their next couple years. As Andy always said… “you can’t ever have too many corners.”
Exactly
This is going to be said time and time again over the next month or two, but….
Signing Nnamdi makes too much sense.
by Smitty2K3 on Jan 10, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes
We know how they value CB play, we know how big of an issue it was this year, and we know how they’ll shell out big dollars for premier players at premier positions.
They are going to make a play for him. What his demands are, who else is in the mix and how much Nnamdi wants to be here are going to be major factors.
It is probably no coincidence our season ended the same day he came free. Offseason obsession anyone?
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They already did get a fourth rounder. Trevard Lindley. I think he’ll be a fine third corner next season.
Dont forget about......
…. Trevard Lindley… he is a top tier rookie corner back… he had a few interceptions this year… he needs a good off season and he should be elite next year… watch and see…. sign Asomugha for next year, let Lindley get a good off season on his belt and then by the end of next year Lindley will be ready for the starting role and will eventually become pro bowl caliber in my opinion… hes only a rookie but you can see he is a ball hawk like Samuel already!
DONT FORGET ABOUT...
…. Trevard Lindley… he is a top tier rookie corner back… he had a few interceptions this year… he needs a good off season and he should be elite next year… watch and see…. sign Asomugha for next year, let Lindley get a good off season on his belt and then by the end of next year Lindley will be ready for the starting role and will eventually become pro bowl caliber in my opinion… hes only a rookie but you can see he is a ball hawk like Samuel already!
I don't see it happening
but it definitely wouldn’t hurt. We need someone! I definitely see Sims and Kolb out… There will definitely be money available, but with the CBA still under agreement, I don’t see anything happening with any contracts until that is situated.
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I don't see Asomugha coming here.
I think he either resigns in Oakland or in San Fran. He is pretty important to that area, much more so than just being a football player. But you never know, the dollar speaks pretty loudly sometimes.
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He’s not going back to Oakland.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 10, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he wants to go to the playoffs. I think it was on SC but it might of been on Gameday final that they said Shane Lechler is pissed that they fired Cable
Are you his agent? Do you know this for a fact?
Until it happens, anything is possible.
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Also, like Legend said, he wants to go to the playoffs / be on a good/winning team. Obviously I don’t know 100% if he’s not going back, but it’s very likely that he’s not returning.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 10, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting article...
but the author is completely off base.
He is saying that Asomugha isn’t worth that much money because he doesn’t make plays…because he doesn’t get INT’s or Sacks, or Fumbles…the dude literally negates half the field for opposing offenses. He doesn’t get those statistical measures because no one puts the ball within a mile of him.
The Raiders may believe the same thing as the author, and in that case, you are right, he probably won’t be back in Oakland, but that line of thinking is why that franchise has become a joke. I would gladly pay him whatever he wants and be happy about it.
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Whoever is saying he isn’t worth the money, doesn’t really watch football. They just play fantasy or madden or something of the nature. Asomugha is the best cover corner in football. He is up there with the Champ Baileys, the Charles Woodsons, i’ll even say the Revis’s. (I think Revis is overrated, maybe only because I hear his name SOOOO MUCH!! He is very good, but I don’t understand why in the last yr he SUPPLANTED EVERY OTHER GREAT CORNER IN FOOTBALL AND was AUTOMATICALLY NAMED GREATEST CORNER!
He does not have any stats because teams, do not, throw, his, way. End. Of. Sentence. He is this generations Champ Bailey.
I dont think Revis is overrated at all. He literally takes the best WRs in the league out of the game completely week in and week out. When they show replays of him covering someone, he is literally always stride for stride with the reciever, regardless of who it is.
He is the best corner Ive ever seen play.
by philiafan14364 on Jan 10, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
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I think he either resigns in Oakland or in San Fran. He is pretty important to that area, much more so than just being a football player. But you never know, the dollar speaks pretty loudly sometimes.
I think Nnamdi is a guy who sees beyond football, a la Curtis Martin or someone, but same time, is not okay with losing.
I think we have a shot. The problem is if someone like the Colts or Steelers or Patriots or whoever compares to us in terms of intangibles gets in the mix and offers big dough.
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It would be awesome if we could get Asomugha but with a cap coming back I’m not sure it happens. JJ did have Lito cover Moss all over the field in the 07’ game against the Patriots and I think he had him do it again that year against T.O. I don’t know why they haven’t done it more. Also the only way I see Stew gone is if he wants too much money but he can’t really ask for too much since he hasn’t stayed healthy.
are they serious about becoming elite next season?
because if not, signing Asomugha at 30 years old would be highly out of the ordinary for the eagles front office. jason peters and asante samuel, two of the biggest signings of recent years came to the eagles at 25 and 27 years old respectively. they commanded big multi-million dollar deals, as will Asomugha, but at 30-years-old he probably has a maximum of 3-4 years of elite ability remaining. I doubt the eagles would go all in banking on Asomugha unless they felt certain they could make the SB in the next 2 years. They definitely do have a great shot at being elite next year, with J. Jackson and L. Weaver coming back, as well as Stew Bradley, Nate Allen, and Brandon Graham, but I expect the FO is seeing the window of opportunity open for 4-5 years, and with DJax and our QBs needing to get paid this year, I don’t see them dishing out the dough for Asomugha, as much as I want them to go after him and as much as I believe he could elevate them to elite, Super Bowl status…we might have to settle for some cheaper, discarded veterans, or maybe a 1st-round CB pick…it all depends on how willing you think they are to go all-in on the next year or two..which they rarely ever do (they seem intent upon trotting out an above average squad year after year, it has become quite maddening, so that’s why I’m in favor of getting Asomugha even though I don’t think it will happen with their perennial “build for the future” mindset)
With such a young nucleus in place, I don’t think that signing Asomugha is an “all in” move. When I think “all in,” I think about the Jets with LaDainian Tomlinson, Jason Taylor, Antonio Cromartie, Santonio Holmes, etc. With Asomugha, they’d fill their biggest gaping need while staying young and keeping all their draft picks. They’d just be adding an insanely good vetaran piece to an already-improving team.
Is a CB opposite Samuel really their biggest gaping need?
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Yeah, that might be overstating it a bit. I don’t think there’s any question the Eagles need to do something to protect Vick’s blind side – that’s a big gaping need, too.
So allow me to rephrase… With Asomugha, I can’t think of a more drastic (and realistic) upgrade that would have a bigger positive effect on the team. I can’t think of one that would even come close.
by JimmyK on Jan 10, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed.
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I agree too, and not just because of Asomugha's impact
which is major.
But by addressing the secondary, and by extension the entire defense, they can go into the draft with a strong focus on the O-line. 23 is a great spot to draft a ready-to-play O-Lineman.
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The biggest thing dude, is that it would allow them to focus more on the Lines at the Draft. To me, if you factor the need a CB along with drafting needs at other position, it does make this FA picjkup “the biggest gaping need” at the moment
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by BWestFactor on Jan 10, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but every other team in the NFL wants Asomugha right now, and the bidding war could cost the Eagles a lot of money. It would def. solve a huge hole and allow them to focus on the draft for repairing the O-line, but would the money be too much for them when they’ve got so many other stars that need to get paid? if they splurge on Asomugha now, would they be limiting themselves in spending power down the line? that’s why i’m worried they won’t pull the trigger and open the wallet when they know they’re going to want to have flexibility over the next 2-4 years
by Nathan Mandel on Jan 10, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I get that point....
but at the end of the day, if they want to win a SB, they need to make agressive moves once in a while. Maybe they dont sign him, but my point is that they SHOULD sign and splurge on a top notch player at either OL, CB, DL or LB. They cant always depend on the draft to get all these guys and expect to get to the SB every year. If spending $$ on the Defense and OL means they will have less flexibility to pay their WRs in the future, then some sacrifices need to be made. Whats the point of having the most explosive offense in the league if you cant even win the Wildcard playoff game 2 years in a row because your Defense is so bad?
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by BWestFactor on Jan 10, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
What difference does it make
Throw the money at Asomugha, its not like Andy won’t trade out of the first round to save money anyway… Honestly, I’ve said before and I’ll say it again I think Reid has ran is course time to move on without him! Get some fresh blood in here we have talent. Time to grow a set and go all in!
by timiglide007 on Jan 10, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a can’t-miss player though, as in… You know with 100% certainty you’re getting a bona fide star. There was only one free agent last year that even came close to being on Asomugha’s level, and that was Julius Peppers. The Bears over-payed to get him, but look at where they are now, and Peppers is a major part of their success this season.
and thats the thing...
TO may have been a bust (although one could seriously argue that he is one of the reasons they made it to the SB that year). Asante Samuel, Jason Peters….those guys may all have been over paid, but they all made the pro-bowl, in multiple years. Like…..the Eagles NEED players like these guys…
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by BWestFactor on Jan 10, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I will argue that TO was not a bust. He may not have lasted that long, but the production he put up on the field does not qualify him as a bust. He has better numbers in 1 1/2 yrs than many players did not match in there entire career with the Eagles. Without stats in front of me, I would say that he probably ended his career here with better numbers than maybe Na Brown, Freddie Mitchell, Torrance Small, James Thrash even? No, probably not Thrash. But just wasn;t sure I agreed with your T.O. statement. T.O. was a lot of things in this town, but a bust, I disagree with.
T.O. was not a bust as a player
their biggest free-agent whiffs, that I can think of, have been Kearse and Darren Howard. And even then, those guys weren’t completely useless, they just didn’t live up to their contracts.
As Jimmy said though, Asomugha is a sure thing. More sure than a No. 1 pick. And it doesn’t cost our draft pick. Plus he makes other players better (pass rush, Asante on 2nd best WR). Add him and get rid of Sims, and the defense is instantly much, much better. If they have to pay for four or five years to get three years of elite play … that’s a better bet than giving the same deal to a first-round pick who may or may not pan out.
The issue is not really whether it’s a good idea for the Eagles or whether they’ll try to get him. The issue is whether their contract offer will be good enough (Asante Samuel), be used to get a better deal from another team (Randy Moss) or will be considered but ultimately outbid by another more-serious team (Julius Peppers).
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the Eagles need to do something to protect Vick’s blind side
Like Ive said before, switch Peters and Justice/ Herremans and MJG.
I still havent heard a convincing argument as to why this wont work.
by philiafan14364 on Jan 10, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Because tackles don’t always play well on the opposite side – Justice played one game as a LT and got ass raped in it. Then he plays RT and been solid at it.
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the ‘stigma’ of the LT comes from protecting the QBs blind side. When the QBs blind side switched to the right (ie from McNabb/Kolb to Vick), Justice’s play fell off.
The real question is whether the actual side of the line the player is on is what changes things, or where the QBs blind side is is what changes things. I wish I knew the answer.
by philiafan14364 on Jan 10, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure it made much sense midseason ...
… as LT and RT footwork are not the same.
However, with an offseason of working on it, and knowing Vick is the guy, it might be a better idea.
Wish we could get a No. 2 who’s a lefty too.
Like Ive said before, switch Peters and Justice/ Herremans and MJG.
I still havent heard a convincing argument as to why this wont work.
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Instead of being concerned about switching our Tackles
We need to get another OT that’s better than Justice. That way they’re both good and there’s no need to switch them.
Yes.
Or at least, it’s tied. Offensive line is just as big, but our secondary is only as strong as our weakest link. Our defense was not good this year and the revolving door at RCB was a very big part of that. I put OL and CB as needs 1a and 1b this offseason.
I think it comes down to what the salary cap is, because remember we have to take care of DeSean and Vick first.
by The Legend on Jan 10, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They should be good though....
Just think about it, where is all the big money tied up at the moment? They have room to move shit around…..
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by BWestFactor on Jan 10, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
There’s actually not really much they’d need to move around. More than half the team is playing on their rookie contract and unless you’re drafted in the Top 10 or 15, those rookie contracts are peanuts. The Eagles only have 6 players that made more than $5 mil this season – Peters ($16), Samuel ($10), Maclin ($9), Kolb ($7), Cole (a little under $6), and Weaver ($5). That’s remarkable.
by JimmyK on Jan 10, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly!
That is remarkable…
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by BWestFactor on Jan 10, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
We have to have
a boat load of money freed up to spend big on free agents and a few of our own that need to be paid (like Desean and Vick).
I love the whole “build through the draft” mantra that our team lives by. It’s crucial to success in the NFL, but it is time. It’s time to spend big and go “all in” to fortify this team into a serious SB contender.
by Smitty2K3 on Jan 10, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree
We are a few starters and a few more role players away from being able to take maybe 3 consecutive shots at winning it all.
That’s the beauty of how this roster is currently constructed, you can go all-in without being ass-out if you lose in the playoffs or have hard luck with injuries. This was never the year, but these next few are.
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He said he’s iffy for the start of camp, but thinks he’ll be a go for the season. But the players are almost always overly optimistic about their injuries, so take that for what it’s worth.
Jackson came back way before I thought he would
And got hurt again.
I honestly think we can function with Schmitt. If there’s a reason to keep them both, I’d do that.
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How is Maclins that high? That cant be his rookie contract can it?
by philiafan14364 on Jan 10, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with Jimmy. I’d also argue that if we were planning for the future, Kolb would have gotten more playing time than Vick. Think about our three biggest weaknesses this year: OL, secondary, and LB.
Secondary ended as: Samuel – Mikell – Coleman – Patterson
Secondary next year would be: Samuel – Mikell – Allen – Asomugha
LBs ended as: Sims – Chaney – Fokou
LBs would be (I’d hope): Clayton – Chaney – Bradley/Fokou
OL, well… gimme three new guys in C, RG, T.
But anyway, my point is that with Asomugha (and a new D coordinator, damnit!), our D will be MUCH better off. Big need goes to great strength.
by Eagle Fly Free on Jan 10, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
D Line
A DEF starts up front and moves back! They have got to take a page out of the NYG book and figure out how to get some great 4-3 type DT’s and DE’s!? Especially if they fail to land a lockdown CB and solidify that weak ass undersized LB core. A DLine that can get pressure and sacks covers up alot of what we lack in the other areas on DEF. This goes without saying we have to have some coaching changes i.e. bye bye Sean, and whoever our D Line/LB coach is!
by timiglide007 on Jan 10, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Asomugha
You wouldn’t even need a new coordinator at that point. McDermott’s stuff would look a million times better with a shutdown corner and a gambler/INT corner and a legit WILL.
I hope Allen and Graham are back at full strength too.
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I hope Allen and Graham are back at full strength too.
I hope so too! But the realist in me says I doubt they will.
I agree with your first point though. Asomugha is a scheme/game changer by himself. You put Asomugha and Samuel on the field at the same time and all of a sudden this defense is top 10 and at least middle of the pack in the red zone.
Why do some aspects of this team, like this one, seem so stubborn? Why is there such a reluctancy to change something when it’s not working? As we’ve heard over, and over, and over, Albert Einstein’s defintion of insanity:
Insanity – doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Sigh.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 10, 2011 10:57 AM EST reply actions
It wasn't Albert Einstein
it was Hector Lopez
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
The Eagles are cheapskates. They will not get him and draft some guys like Justice that flop.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
Do your homework, the Eagles have no problem spending on top free agents.
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by EREX21 on Jan 10, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Eagles spend plenty money when the want to.
After Samuel and Peters (and Owens) I don’t understand why this opinion continues to flourish.
by NOLACuse on Jan 10, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't think it flourishes.
There will always be an occasional shallow post on any subject.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
I was going to include overpaying certain players throughout the decade deciden’t not to but should have than I would have been understood. In every sport you spend too much on a few not enough on the others and you never make Championship you might get lucky.
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by Christopher A on Jan 10, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
JimmyK
Thanks for the breakdown, I didn’t think about that at all yesterday. I do think the fact that JJ could leave he CB in place was because they were both very good. Now, since things change, so should the scheme.
Also, getting Asomugaha, makes soo much sense. We need another corner badly. Even though the draft is filled with corners, I think it would make much more sense to sign a proven star in the league, than to pay a ton of money for an unproven talent.
Let’s get it done.
Looking at that list of players
I don’t see any big money contracts on that side of the ball. There has to be some cash available.
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by EaglesandRavensFan on Jan 10, 2011 11:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
We need to stop getting unlegitimate LBs who have a bigger name than talent. (Takeo Spikes, Jeremiah Trotter [part II], Ernie Sims, anyone else I’m forgetting.)
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 10, 2011 11:05 AM EST reply actions
I could see him seriously wanting to join your team
Everyone else is wowed by Vick (why not him?), and assuming the Eagles get him inked for a decent deal, I bet ya he would want to join the Eagles (you know, so he could see the play-offs sometime in his career).
I agree with this too
And other teams who fit the profile, like the Giants and Patriots, have invested quite a few draft picks in the secondary in recent years and might not be interested.
I honestly can’t think of a better destination for a player we assume wants to compete for Super Bowl titles for the next 3-5 years and wants to play an important role on a cornerback-needy team.
That said, if somebody like the Falcons or Bears falls short and is offering an extra year or two and/or and extra $10 million, that will be hard for NA to turn down.
It comes down to how badly they want him and how badly he wants to be in Philly. If both sides are full go, it could happen.
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Other top contenders
Like the Patriots, Falcons, and Giants probably won’t have the resources to invest in a CB like Asomugha.
The Pats just invested a handful of draft picks in the secondary and they look set for at least another couple years.
The Falcons just paid top dollar for CB Dunta Robinson last year.
The Giants just paid top dollar for S Antrel Rolle last year.
There’s always a chance these teams still find a way to sign him. But I think we have as good a chance as any.
Asomugha to the Jets would be sick
Who's Been Eatin' Hummus?
She passed wind, excused herself, and sponged off in the corner as I sat dazed and confused...
And unnecessary
Since they just signed Revis to an extension, traded for Cromartie and used a first round pick on Kyle Wilson.
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if im not mistaken
Cro’s contract is up at the end of the season, and wilson has been a mega bust, whereas he doesn’t even see the field anymore. The way that sexy rexy and mike T(their GM) have been aggressively going at big name players, I wouldn’t be surprised if the jets tried to buy rexy a new toy to play with.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
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by wilddre22 on Jan 10, 2011 10:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My Take on the Beloved Eagles
The Eagles have had shots at getting quality players and decide to go a different direction or some teams beat them to the player. I don’t work for the Front Office so i’m not sure what decisions are made on a daily basis, but I think the Eagles need to be more aggressive at getting quality players. For the last 10 years or so the Eagles have been good at making play off runs, and getting to the SB once. However, Andy Reid, with his “we need to work on that, we need to get better job, its my fault i will work on that” attitude isn’t going to cut it.
The Eagles don’t need dramatic change, but need to explore more options at Coaching and football philosophy. As much as I hate the Patriots, I think Andy and his coaching staff could learn a few lessons from Bill Belichick and his coaching staff.
By the way I hate the Cowboys the most. On my list of most hated people or groups its
1) Osama Bin Laden / Al-Qaeda
2) Cowboys
by Eagles_DevilDawg on Jan 10, 2011 11:28 AM EST reply actions
They absolutely do
The FO may “think” they are always smarter by not signing big name FA, but they are wrong. They need to grab a few of these guys. Just think of the Jason Peters and Asante Samuel. They are both pro-bowlers (time and time again). They are two of the most important players on the team. The Eagles cant draft to every position and every need and expect to win a Superbowl every year.
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by BWestFactor on Jan 10, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I’m no football genius or anything, but I would love to see the Eagles win one superbowl in my lifetime
by Eagles_DevilDawg on Jan 10, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
bullshit
Not too many teams (in any sport) can stay competative almost every year for over a decade. The FO has everything to do with that. Sure, the FO might not be the absolute best, but it could be A HELL OF A LOT WORSE. If the Eagles kick Ried to the curb, why do you assume that Rieds replacement will be any better than he was? IMO, were much more likely to wind up with Mike Shanahan than Bill Belichick.
And, to be honest, I would rather be competative for 10 years and never win a SB, than be shit for 9 years and win a SB the other year. That might sound like sacrilege, but its true.
by philiafan14364 on Jan 10, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure you are in the minority on that one! I would trade all of those playoff appearances and let downs under Reid for just 1 or 2 Lombardi Trophies…The fact that you are okay with being competitive year and year out is the very reason why Reid has been here as long as he has. The team is just good enough to sell out and lockdown media deals, you are okay with being just good enough. To me that’s a shame, the pieces are here on offense I think a fresh perspective on offense with the talent we have would take us over the hump! We’ve gotten all that we are going to get out of Andy, a Lombardi Trophy under his regin is not going to happen folks.
by timiglide007 on Jan 10, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think you need to appretiate what you have. If Reid were to be run out of town by people like you, and then a new coach came in a didnt even make the playoffs for years on end, then I think you would realize that Reid wasnt so bad afterall.
by philiafan14364 on Jan 11, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Even if the do sign Nnamdi, we still will have to draft a corner relatively high. But Jimmy brings up a good point. We satisfy a HUGE need with a GREAT player without wasting a draft pick. And as far as age goes, despite the eagles FO philosophy, take a look at champ bailey, Charles woodsen, Antoine Winfield, and Quentin jammer. Those guys started or seem like they will start to regress in their mid 30s for the most part.
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by immynimmy on Jan 10, 2011 11:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
CBs, LBs, O-Line
What is the most problematic area?
I think that the team needs to seriously look at the LB’s. Devil Dawgs point about quality players is a good one.
Injuries aside, the LB crew yesterday was Chaney (he’s been good), Sims and Clayton, far from quality guys.
Asomugha would be nice. What is the most pressing need?
I think it's a tie between CB and OL.
With Chaney, Bradley, Clayton, Fokou we have decent LB’s. They need to be better though, I agree. An upgrade is definitely needed and Sims is not the answer.
But CB has gotten us killed time and time again. I put it next to OL as a position of dire need this offseason. Signing Nnamdi would mean we could dedicate top picks to OL and LB (but Reid never drafts LB’s high, so probably not). CB would be taken care of, so Reid could go for his diamond-in-the-rough CB in the third or fourth while grabbing a couple sure-fire (or near sure-fire) guys for the line.
This LB group also include
2 rookies and 1 2nd year guy, theyll get better like you said..
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by BWestFactor on Jan 10, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately Reid has drafted 3 LB in 2nd round and each one has been a total fucking bust.
Gardner,Caver, McCoy.
But I’m an ever optimistic Eagles fan, so this year we find a superfreak dominating stud WLB, which is exactly what this defense needs, along with a RCB, and a “Dawkins- like” Safety.
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I think OL
At least they have some type of depth with the linebackers. While getting a good second corner would help a lot, they have to not let Vick get hit as much as he did this year.
JimmyK - about the x's and o's
that was apretty awesome, insightful post. Kinda surprised no one commented directly on it. To me, I think you summarized the whole reason GB won the game. It was a great scheme by the Packers and McDermot never counteracted it.
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I have to disagree.
One stop in the redzone limits the Packers to 17 points.
If the Eagles can’t win that type of game then the fault lies on the O. Players and coaches.
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
Were you watching yesterday?
One stop in the redzone limits the Packers to 17 points.
What about our red zone defense yesterday suggested that they were even capable of stopping the Packers in the red zone? I agree that our offense should be able to top 17 or 21 points, but GB did whatever they wanted to offense. They just never felt the need to really stretch us because in actuality they never needed to. Look at 3rd down. We were atrocious. Why go deep or take risks when a run up the middle or a dink/dunk pass will get the job done all day? I have a feeling that if Rodgers needed to take the game over, he easily could have.
I watched the game.
Nothing about our Redzone defense suggested we could keep them out of the endzone. In my opinion, that’s why we lost. I was just disagreeing with the premise that McDermott not switching CBs, left for right, was what beat us. We held the Packers in check fairly well.
And you know what? If Rodgers didn’t put up more points because he didn’t “need to take the game over”, and Vick threw a better pass to Cooper, or made a better decision on that play, well then shame on Rodgers.
Atrocious? Bit of an overstatement. 21-16. I don’t think we were 25-30 points better than the Packers, do you?
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
i thought about this too….
lets just say that akers hit both of those field goals and give us the lead near the end of the game.
would any of us really trust our defense to stop GB on the game winning drive?
my gut says that the only reason the D started to play better near the end of the game is that GB was playing very conservatively just trying to protect their lead.
imagine now that they are trying to get a lead back, just like the entire first half? no way we stop them.
by RogerPodacter on Jan 10, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
No
But i didn’t trust them to stop the Giants with 1:14 left either, and there are posts on BGN to prove it.
waterfield is right, this defense — be it frustrating, not all that good and definitely with major flaws — came up with opportune stops and gave us a chance to win on Sunday.
Red zone. Ugh.
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What Roger said:
I would not have trusted that defense to stop the Packers in a potential game-winning drive situation for them. Rodgers didn’t have to take the game over. He wasn’t asked to and our defense didn’t demand it of him. The Packers played pretty safe football all game, but our defense just let it happen. I don’t think atrocious is an overstatement in regards to 3rd down. We gave up a first down on 62% of GB’s 3rd down tries (and it seemed even worse). That’s not good. Meanwhile we were under 40% on offense for 3rd downs. Also not good. I don’t think we are 25-30 points better than GB, no. I’m not quite sure what you are referring to there though.
No question. Asomugha and Revis are sort of the 1 and 1A of NFL corners, and Samuel is WAY better than Cromartie. Cromartie isn’t what he was a few years ago.
I agree with that logic
Cromartie didn’t look that sharp on Saturday; Samuel or Asomugha would have both outplayed him.
Oof.
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asomugha > revis
yeah int’s are like sack stats to DEs, but giving up 13 catches all season is damn good
He hit him in a bad spot... the hands.
by DaaaBirdsDaBirds on Jan 10, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
"What a gorgeous dog. What do you feed him?"
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by Eagles_DevilDawg on Jan 10, 2011 11:57 AM EST reply actions
Dear Eagles – please win a SuperBowl in our lifetime within the next 2 or 3 years.
Please!
“Our lifetime” is such a broad time frame. Some Eagles fans have gone 50 years without a championship. (Fortunately I’m only 26; been a fan since only the early 90’s; diehard since 2000’s. So I haven’t suffered much at all relatively speaking) But I can’t even imagine that. I don’t know how many more of these heart-breaking season-ending playoff losses I can take.
by Smitty2K3 on Jan 10, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the FO has shocked us before
it really just may happen. picking him up and then drafting O-line some o-line soup and some o-line crackers to boot would be preferable. out of X picks 2-3 of them gotta be good right?
He hit him in a bad spot... the hands.
by DaaaBirdsDaBirds on Jan 10, 2011 12:01 PM EST reply actions
I’m still pretty up in the air about Vick. Some of his passes are just so off and others he absolutely nails. I’m think our offense looks a lot better next year with an entire offseason to tailor an offense to Vick. I feel like a lot of our playcalling was shite this year because of the lack of time to make a gameplan for Vick in the offseason. What good OL could we realistically get in the draft this year? And what position would we draft if we did get one in the 1st round?
Oof.
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I’m still pretty up in the air about Vick
I have this funny feeling that Andy feels the same way. When he was asked who his starting QB would be next year, he said “we’ll see.”
I think that's more to keep the price on Kolb high
He said he was bringing Donovan back too. Dude’s not going to lay his cards out on the table for all to read, then try to play poker.
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I started to notice that sometimes his throws were off the play after he took a big hit. Coulda been a coincidence, I dont know.
by philiafan14364 on Jan 10, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
This happens to every quarterback
Some of his passes are just so off and others he absolutely nails.
Why do you think 65-70% is an excellent completion rate?
Except for the Minnesota game, I didn’t see him miss bad over and over and over again. But even the best QBs shoot it high sometimes, read a guy breaking the opposite direction, etc.
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Some of his passes are just so off and others he absolutely nails.
Mc5 anyone?
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by alcatraz0109 on Jan 10, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
It seems ironic that Reid always stresses the importance of how games are won and lost in the trenches, yet, our o-line/d-line play is incredibly suspect.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jan 10, 2011 12:08 PM EST reply actions
For years it was the strength of the team
I think that’s probably just a flaw of this particular roster not being built exactly the way they would like it at this time.
I find it hard to believe we don’t bolster the trenches hard in this draft, and then suddenly we have a team that better reflects those values.
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Two words...one name
Casey Matthews
Get him somewhere in the middle rounds and hope he’s half as good as his bro.
Nice article Jimmy
im becoming a big Jimmy fan. No pun intended.
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by DRIVE FOR FIVE on Jan 10, 2011 12:37 PM EST reply actions
Will Nate Allen be ready for next year?
I think this question is completely understated. Everybody is assuming Nate Allen will return and continue to play well and improve.
A good friend of mine suffered the same injury as Nate Allen and said that Nate will never be the same. This injury can go either way, but it tends to be career-threatening more often than not.
I’m concerned about Allen and Graham. I was really excited about them, but the timing and severity of their injuries is devastating for them and this team for this offseason. I hope they’ll be 100% by day 1 of training camp (assuming their is a TC), but I have a bad feeling that they won’t be.
I hope he’s back to compete for safety
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by DRIVE FOR FIVE on Jan 10, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think nate allens injury is really severe! Buckhalter had the same injury 3 Times! He came back but this injury could be career threatening. Graham has an acl tear and i suffered this injury myself and with a whole offseason to recover He should be alright but you need maybe 1 full season to be back in pre- injury form!
by daveG10 on Jan 10, 2011 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
I think Graham can come back from his injury and, after a full season to recover, can turn into a top-end DE. But as next year is concerned, I don’t know how much I can expect from him.
With this injurys it’s a head thing! Some Players are more afraid of another injury than others! Those who deal with it the best are back a 100% real quick!
by daveG10 on Jan 10, 2011 2:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree on Allen and Graham
We need both those guys back full strength. I don’t know how different J.R. Reed’s injury was, but he was never the same. And both DE and FS are bad places to be a step slower.
That said, Coleman looked functional at worst; Graham’s injury is the one that worries me more.
I think at least they’ll have an idea about those guys going into the draft.
Besides, there’s always Victor Abiamiri!
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Graham’s injury is the one that worries me more.
It shouldn’t. Unless you say that just because the value you put on the DE position and the fact that he is our 1st round pick.
But Nate Allen’s injury is more severe and tends to be harder to come back from. Especially with the position he plays. I’m more concerned about Allen.
I guess I meant because
Coleman looked functional back there at worst, and is young like Allen so we’d still potentially have a starting safety for years back there and make it less of a lost draft pick.
Whereas our viable DE backup is the oldest position player on the team (Parker). Although I guess we could start Tapp if we had to. But Graham I was banking on to get better and better.
Don’t some knee injuries heal to where the player is stronger than before, or am I confusing that with Tommy Johns in baseball?
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Haha
I think you’re confusing that with Tommy Johns.
But I see your point with Graham. We have so much invested in him with really no other player at that position that has shown much promise (other than a 30-something year old Parker). We need Graham to be a stud. And fast. Franchises can’t afford to blow many 1st round draft picks, especially at that position and especially with us missing at that position so many times in the past. So I get your point. We need Graham more than Allen (to a degree).
I just meant as far injuries alone are concerned, ACL’s tend to be more common and a safer bet to be able to come back from. Patellar tendon ruptures can be more iffy from what I’ve heard/read.
Hopefully they both can come back and return to full strength. I liked what I saw from them this year.
Hmm
If you had the choice between signing Logan Mankins or Asomugha, who would you sign?
Asomugha, in a landslide. I think Mankins is awesome and all, and I’m as big an OL guy as you’ll find, but Asomugha is just such a rare talent. QB’s don’t even bother looking his way. He allowed 13 catches this season. No TD’s. Can you imagine QB’s throwing at Asante Samuel all day? Pick city.
by JimmyK on Jan 10, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
No question about it.
You gotta go Asomugha.
Just as an aside, how many games did Nnamdi miss this year due to injury? That could’ve influenced those numbers you mention. But even having said that, the guy is a stud. He’d have such a far greater influence on this team than any other player we could sign/draft.
by Smitty2K3 on Jan 10, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh ok
I thought he missed more games than that actually.
Less than one catch per game is absolutely disgusting.
After hearing that, let me just add to the hysteria by saying:
“OH MY GOD, WE HAVE TO GET HIM!”
Ha, new catch phrase? What’s also funny is that he only has 19 tackles and had a grand total of ZERO interceptions this season. If you look at his stats, you’d think he was a 4th corner, but that’s how much respect NFL offenses have for the guy that they just completely stay away.
by JimmyK on Jan 10, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Unbelievable
If your “thrown at” number of 13 rings true, that is just unbelievable. He had 6 passes defended/deflected on 13 passes against.
I don’t know how else to describe him, other than to just call him unbelievable.
Those numbers are unheard of.
I will say it again (just to emphasize how much sense it makes to sign him)…
"OH MY GOD, WE HAVE TO GET HIM!"
Yeah, apparently he was thrown at 33 times (13 completed, as we’ve already pointed out), for 205 yards. That’s just mind-boggling. In today’s pass-happy NFL, he gave up 205 yards.
OH MY GOD, WE HAVE TO GET HIM!
Haha
Okay that makes a little more sense. But still 13 completions for 205 yards in 14 games is effing ridiculous.
To put that in perspective… he allowed 0.93 catches for 14.6 yards per game.
Not to mention, he’s a stand-up guy, he’s extremely philanthropic, and he’s probably one of the most intelligent football players I’ve ever heard speak.
by Smitty2K3 on Jan 10, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That really does put it in perspective.
allowed 0.93 catches for 14.6 yards per game.
And as Jimmy mentioned, the degree to which it would make Asante more dangerous is almost immeasurable.
Joselio and whoever is covering TEs would get mad looks their way lol.
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Thrown at 33 times for 205 yards = 6.2 YPA
Nitpicking obviously since he never gets thrown at but that’s not an elite CB’s YPA.
DTMWTD
by alcatraz0109 on Jan 10, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Not saying Nnamdi’s not elite, just noting the numbers.
DTMWTD
by alcatraz0109 on Jan 10, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
Elite is when you are thrown at 33 times in 14 games
0.93 catches for 14.6 yards per game……..
by djthekidd on Jan 11, 2011 12:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No...
…they run a lot of quick slants and crossing patterns and the like, TEs in the seam, swings and flairs to the RB, that sort of thing.
I remember somewhere on this site seeing an excel sheet with the contracts for the next 4 or 5 years. Anyone know where it is? Link?
Yeah, it's great
only beef would be sometimes the updates aren’t immediate. But that beats my non-existent Eagles cap resource, so I can’t complain.
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Great article Jimmy as usual.
I usually don’t say “oh let’s sign this big name free agent” just for the sake of signing them. Signing Asomugha would be the perfect thing for this team and turn arguably our biggest hole (other being o-line) into the best tandem in the NFL. We’d be able to shore up the o-line in the draft and maybe pick up another LB and DE in there along with a corner to develop. Nnamdi is just the perfect thing for our team right now. The loss was upsetting but I’m starting to get over it now that I think of how loaded we’ll be next year.
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by Djax10 on Jan 10, 2011 1:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The Eagles don't have alot of big contracts right now
but will they be able to franchise Vick? ‘Cause he’s going to want to break the bank, with all his financial problems. Jackson will as well. All those rookie contracts will eventually come up as well. Can the Eagles afford an MVP discussion caliber QB contract (over 10-15 mil per year) PLUS Jackson, PLUS NA (makes over 10 mil per year now)? That eaglescap.com projects 15 mil budget. No way you fit those 3 contracts for 15 mil, unless I’m reading that site wrong.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 10, 2011 1:57 PM EST reply actions
I'm thinking you're going to need
23-26 mil for those three alone. 10+ for Vick, 10+ for NA (would be a cut in his pay), 3-6 for Jackson. Do they have that money?
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 10, 2011 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think we're all okay with breaking the bank
for Vick.
I’m more worried about the years.
What’s a good deal for him, 5 years, $60 million? I really have no idea what he should make per year, how much should be guaranteed or how much Vick needs to pay his creditors.
But I honestly think the involvement of any other team in the discussion would only be to drive the price up. Philly has to want him back — despite the Kolb is younger and might have more good years left argument, there’s no comparison — and Vick has to want to be back. It’s just a matter of when we expect his fast-twitch skills to decline, and can we pay him like that guy for being just a pocket passer with a cannon arm?
For Vick and Asomugha, I wouldn’t care what they paid. Get ’er done.
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Franchise Vick to keep others from driving up the price in the meantime agree to pay his creditors!
Lockup Jax and try to make a strong run at NA.
by timiglide007 on Jan 10, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
what a piece of cr**!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the eagles were simply outmanned yesterday… the o line on the right side is just awful… watching justice… dunlop… cole… etc. was freakin’ painful… the defense was ok but certainly nothing to cheer about… so… we can wait yet another year…. here’s my wish list… massive right tackle that can block… a massive right guard who can block… maybe a better center… a massive blocking TE… a killer cornerback… a real linebacker… a killer saftey… a defensive end who can collapse the pocket…… a monster defensive tackle… a new defensive coordinator… a top return man… OK…
by Elmo the faithful fan on Jan 10, 2011 2:15 PM EST reply actions
Easy their terminator
This defense played really well yesterday. Aaron Rogers was held under 200 yds only four times this year. Eagles, Det, NYJ and the Eagles.
This defense also stopped Foster, Turner, CJ, MJD Gore and Bradshaw 2x from reaching 100 yards.
We need a better CB and maybe a FS (Coleman and Allen did ok as rookies)
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by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 10, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
You think?
At his age? He’s still playing at a high level and I definitely want him back, but seeing how the Eagles do business, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them allow him to shop around.
It sounds like he really loves Philly and loves playing for Andy, so he might do everything he can to come back. I just don’t think the Eagles will break the bank (relatively speaking) to keep him.
Do you want to rejoin us here in reality?
Nice wish list. Maybe if they contract a few teams as part of the new CBA.
here’s my wish list… massive right tackle that can block… a massive right guard who can block… maybe a better center… a massive blocking TE… a killer cornerback… a real linebacker… a killer saftey… a defensive end who can collapse the pocket…… a monster defensive tackle… a new defensive coordinator… a top return man… OK…
That’s 10 players and a new coordinator, all expected to be upgrades.
If it were that easy, I’m sure the Birds would have done it by now.
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I actually think McDermott did a solid job with the hand he was dealt. If I were to ask you how many defensive players started yesterday that didn’t start Week 1, without thinking about it, how many would you say off the top of your head?
The answer: 6. That’s right… 6. More than half of the defensive unit:
Come on, Jimmy. Really? Is that your argument?
- Juqua Parker took his starting job back because he was playing better than Graham. On top of that, Tapp is better than Parker yet he is not the starter and gets fewer snaps.
- Antonio Dixon is the starter because he is playing better than Bunkley.
- Jamar Chaney is playing just as good as Bradley if not better. Bradley said he could play but he was basically benched by Reid.
- Moises Fokou took the starting job because he is a better SAM than Jordan.
- Kurt Coleman did as good a job as Allen if not better. Off the top of your head, name ONE play where you saw Coleman get beat up top. Nate Allen got beat like that at least 3 times this season.
- Dimitri Patterson is no worse than Ellis Hobbs.
If only, that shows Mcdermott’s poor talent/skill evaluation in the pre-season and training camp. People need to stop making excuses for him. I can’t repeat this enough. We have better players on defense in at least 5 positions than last year and we got worse in almost every defensive category. Solid job? I think not. Green Bay called the most conservative plays after they took a 14 – 0 lead. It’s like we know we are going to win so we will just run the ball now because they can’t even stop James Fuckin’ Starks. They ran the ball 26 times to 27 passes! They were unstoppable on third downs and the redzone. It’s been like that the entire season. People want to keep blaming players for missing a couple tackles or being out of position sometimes. News flash. That happens in every game to every team in the NFL. Mcdermott should be given the boot but he’ll have one more year. A defensive coordinator can make a HUGE difference. Think Steve Spagnuolo or Dom Capers or Gregg Williams. They transformed their defenses in ONE year.
Generally agreed
Don’t know about Coleman playing quite as well as Allen but your points are taken. The Eagles’ defense was worse across the board this year than last year. I would give McDermott one more year next year and if there isn’t a notalbe improvement, he would be gone. I hope the Eagles also make a move to get rid of some of the defensive postion coaches including possibly at DE and LB.
The question is
Are there any guys like that available?
I’d take a Dom Capers or Spags in a heartbeat. But they don’t just grow on trees.
John Fox
Is the only guy I think I would dump McDermott for no questions asked.
But I think he might get a head job.
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Fox used to own us
when he was with the Giants.
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If only, that shows Mcdermott’s poor talent/skill evaluation in the pre-season and training camp.
excellent points.
I like your insight on Coleman vs. Allen.
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by DRIVE FOR FIVE on Jan 10, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Completely agree. The Eagles should hire a new DC as soon as possible. That would make me much happier than signing Asomugha.
You can't be serious
McDermott doesn’t thrill me either, but Asomugha would be more of a game-changer than a new DC.
Asomugha is 100%, sure-fire lock to be a shut down corner for at least another year or two at worst. Bringing in a new DC is a coin flip on whether or not he improves this defense that has mediocre talent.
by Smitty2K3 on Jan 10, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is not even a discussion
Abso-friggin-loutely.
McDermott doesn’t thrill me either, but Asomugha would be more of a game-changer than a new DC.
McDermott could run a pretty good defense with NA.
+1000 Smitty
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+1 new DC is a must... Asomugha is a must... A LB that can cover the likes of Witten & Boss is a must... A DLineman that can disrupt is a must!
Fuck they outta try to make a trade to Cle. Klob for Big Baby Shaun Rodgers!
by timiglide007 on Jan 10, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Question:
Of Parker, Dixon, Chaney, Fokou, Coleman, and Patterson, how many of those guys are above-average NFL starters at their respective positions? Dixon, maybe?
That’s kind of the point. It doesn’t really matter if your DC is Sean McDermott or Jesus… If half your defense is made up of below average starters, what can you really expect from the guy?
Explain to me why Will Witherspoon, Jason Babin and Chris Clemons are above average starters on their next teams but were below average here. What? Did they just hate Philly for some reason? If we got that kind of production out of them here, we would’ve had no complains about this defense.
Clemons played for a year under Jim Johnson, and did very little. So apparently JJ can foster some of the blame there too, I guess. Witherspoon came into the system mid-stream last year, and it’s not like he was anything special this year anyway. And Babin never did anything… anywhere… with 4 different teams before the light came on this season. But that still doesn’t answer the question I posed, which I’ll repeat:
Of Parker, Dixon, Chaney, Fokou, Coleman, and Patterson, how many of those guys are above-average NFL starters at their respective positions?
My answer was related to your question. Maybe, it’s the coach not getting the most of his players? They are all at least average and this defense is way below average.
They’re not all at least average (at least not yet), and the defense is far from “way below average.”
21st in ppg allowed – 23.6
17th in third down conversion – 38.28%
16th in opponents yards per play – 5.2
25th in opponent touchdowns per game – 2.9
29th in opponent redzone scores per game – 2.1
22nd in opponent yards per completion – 11.2
Last in opponent red zone scoring pct – 76.74%. The worst in 25 years.
ALL worse than last year with better players.
Haha, come on, man. Don’t be the guy that cherry-picks all the stats that are unfavorable, and even include some fairly meaningless ones like “yards per completion,” while leaving out really basic stuff like yards per game (12th), takeaways (3rd), etc. That’s not like you.
Why are we always so inclined to give the players a pass, and blindly blame the coach? Is it because we know the coach is easy to replace, but the players, not as much? These players simply weren’t that good, and they were insanely inexperienced. There were holes all over the place.
by JimmyK on Jan 10, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I didn’t cherry pick any stats. Those stats dig deeper into how bad the D really is. Everyone knows the vague stats like we’re the 12th ranked defense and whatnot. There is no point displaying them to you. I used to believe that just giving the fewest yards made you the best defense. I was wrong. That stat is quite misleading. If you give up very few yards but can’t defend the redzone for shit and give up a ton of points than that still makes you a bad defense. Takeaways have more to do with the players making plays then the play calling.
I have more than enough good reasoning as to why Mcdermott has done a poor job so far. Do you not agree we are getting better play from our defensive players overall compared to last year?
MLB edge 2010
WILL edge 2010(barely)
SAM edge 2010
FS edge 2010
SS edge 2010
LCB edge 2010
RCB edge 2009
D-line – Wash
I agree with the inexperience but if you look at the talent on defense collectively, they are no worse than average. He took a team with average talent and put out a below average defense. Bottom line.
OK fine
But he did limit PManning, Rogers x 2, and Ryan. He also slowed down Chris Johnson, MJD, The Giants rushing attack, Foster, and Frank Gore. I say he has potential.
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
"The way I figure it, if my heads gonna pop off it's gonna pop off anyways" - Ellis Hobbs on the possibility of his neck breaking.
by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 10, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
The homer in me
would’ve agreed with this about 4 or 5 weeks back.
But after taking an objective look at it, I disagree.
No way Sims was an upgrade over 2009. We were better off playing with 10 players on the field than to have Sims out there. He is awful!
Also, I was excited about this D-line early in the year, but looking back in retrospect, the 2009 D-line was better with Babin, Clemons, and Howard in there as rotational guys.
Then just a couple minor discrepancies… LCB is a wash at best, mainly because Samuel missed a handful of games and the SS spot is a wash because Mikell played every game both years. I agree that Mikell had a slightly better year this year than he did last, but you can’t give the clear edge to 2010 there.
I agree that the 2010 edge can go to MLB, SAM, and FS, but it’s not as straight-across-the-boad as you say it is.
recd
been sayin this all year. the defense simply doesnt have good players, so you cant blame sean for the mess.
by philiafan14364 on Jan 10, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Coleman came in and played extremely well.
"If they bring in a cardboard cutout of Nicholas Cage to replace McD, I’d be fine with it as long as it can get this D to execute." - McNabb2Maclin4Philly
by begforme4484 on Jan 10, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
McD
did a GREAT GREAT job yesterday.
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
"The way I figure it, if my heads gonna pop off it's gonna pop off anyways" - Ellis Hobbs on the possibility of his neck breaking.
by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 10, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Cash for Free Agents?
Eagles can franchise Vick but I would imagine that would piss him off to no end. He wants to get paid to get rid of his outstanding creditors who are still fairly numerous since he didn’t declare Chapter 7 bankruptcy. Signing him won’t be cheap.
Ditto Jackson. Anyone think that Jackson won’t hope out in camp/be a gigantic pain in the ass unless he gets paid this offseason by the Eagles?
True
I see us contracting Jackson(due to his younger age) and still franchising Vick though….
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by DRIVE FOR FIVE on Jan 10, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe but if you are Vick how can that possibly make you happy? He was a good soldier this year who said and did everything right. He will want to get paid.
Lesser issues are resigning Akers and Mikell. Eagles have a ton of money available to pay with next year generally but they are going to have some big bonuses potentially too.
True. I wish we just extended him earlier. The Eagles probably want to franchise him incase he gets injured next season.
It’s business.
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by DRIVE FOR FIVE on Jan 10, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Vick deal is a no-brainer
Why would you want to franchise him and deal with the contract stuff all over again? I agree with MG, all we do is piss him off and maybe next time he doesn’t come back.
Meanwhile, we waste another of his prime years.
Let’s say Vick has 3 really good years left. He’s cresting right as much of our roster is going to be peaking. If he’ll sign a four-year deal, do it.
You don’t mess around when you have a chance to lock up an MVP-level quarterback. Yeah Vick is a special case, because of his playing style and the liklihood of injury, but the bottom line is the guy gives us a chance to win Super Bowls. Make it happen.
I have never had a good feeling about DeSean, but I think ultimately with Vick back in the fold, we re-sign him. That’s going to be a difficult deal to do, but with the youth, I think the Eagles will have to swallow hard and pay up.
I’d let DeSean walk before Vick though.
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The tag is often used as a way of keeping other teams’ mitts off a player temporarily with the intent of getting a longterm deal done. I think if the Eagles tagged him, they’d still look to pay the man handsomely with a long term deal. A few years back, I was adamant that the Eagles should have tagged Dawkins. Sure, it might have pissed him off a little, but they wouldn’t have had the Macho Harris experiment. Sometimes you can’t worry about that.
I read somewhere (and of course Ill never be able to find it) that Vick owes his creditors a percentage of what he makes. Meaing, hell never stop owing them money.
by philiafan14364 on Jan 10, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
I heard this too
But I don’t know that he’ll never stop owing them money.
I think he owes them a percentage of what he makes, until he pays off his debts.
Would you
take Chilly over Mcdermott?
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yes
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by DRIVE FOR FIVE on Jan 10, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
So when does Free Agency start
I can’t remember if it’s before or after the draft
Last name Ever
First name Greatest
Usually the first week of March, but the CBA expires before then, so if they don’t work that out free agency could be delayed indefinitely.
Jimmy
how would the draft be effected?
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by DRIVE FOR FIVE on Jan 10, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
That's a fact
Draft is on regardless.
I have a funny feeling between the day of the Super Bowl and March 1, the two sides make a lot of headway, and the league year starts sometime in March with a new contract.
They just can’t can’t CAN’T possibly be stupid enough to ruin the cash cow that is the NFL right now.
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This is the same group of people
who tell us they are serious about player safety while strongly pushing for two more games on the most brutal schedule in all of sports. Yeah, they can be that dumb.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 10, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
They're not pushing for two more games
They’re converting two meaningless preseason games to regular season games that count.
And maybe it’s wishful thinking, but I never believe anything either side says in a strike/lockout situation until the 11th hour. Once they go past that with no movement, then I’ll start to worry.
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Honestly, I don’t see Desean staying here. He is going to want big money, and he isn’t worth it. He is like a 7,8,9 guy that is going to want a Fitzy deal. I don’t think it will happen. I can hope, but we all know about his agent.
I have concerns with Vick too, his last deal was more than P.Mannings, I don’t think he is going to be too flexible, being he was in MVP talks with Brady. I say Franchise his ass.
Mikell, Vick, Desean, new free agents (Asomoush), I don’t know how it is all going to work out. Especially since our FO never maxs out the allotment.
I would really like to see the honest breakdown, because I am too lazy to do it.
True
But Jackson really likes playing with Vick. I think he would turn down a few extra bills to stay with a winning franchise. Philadelphia has so much potential next season.
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by DRIVE FOR FIVE on Jan 10, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I remember Vick saying he would give the Eagles a discount (not sure exactly what that means) for taking a chance on him.
by philiafan14364 on Jan 10, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Desean has another year left so lets save this for next year if they dont get a deal done.
"I told you to punt it out of bounds!" -Tom Coughlin
That would be nice if Desean really did that.
Also, just read the ESPN article and it said that Asomugha gave up only 200 yds receiving this year. He also didn’t have any picks , but he only got thrown at 33 times, and let like 13 completions or something.
Sick
nice ruin COTK...
Jimmy, btw, this is my favorite post of the year…
great insight, raises great questions… i don’t know why but i really love this post.
Really?
Your favorite post of the year is basically the first post addressing the long offseason ahead after a heartbreaking loss in the playoffs?
Haha, no offense to Jimmy, but this definitely isn’t my favorite post.
Whoa
I meant no offense by it.
I understand it was your opinion. It is a good post. I was just saying with the topic at-hand, it’s more depressing than other posts Jimmy wrote solely because it addresses why GB out-played and out-coach us as well as an offseason need we need to address.
I’m still bitter over that loss. I’d rather be talking about playing the Bears today, that’s all.
no problems, brother
i love intellectual posts… with facts…pure info that does nothing but help all.
by Ralf E Chubbs on Jan 20, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Dimitri
played well yesterday if he was lined up vs Jennings as much as you say.
Jennings 1 catch for 8 yds.
Driver 5rec for 56
I mean the Eagles shut them out compared to their normal stats. Screen passes and dump offs. Our D did what it needed our Offense came up short.
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
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by MightyJoeBanner on Jan 10, 2011 5:43 PM EST reply actions
I actually agree with that
it’s not a positive stance to take around here, but we did to the Packers what the Redskins did to us in Week 4. Kept everything in front; we didn’t tackle all that well or get off the field on third downs, but that’s not the scheme’s fault.
Defense — with crappy personnel — gave us a chance to win the game.
If McD goes, we better have a really good alternative. And that Packers game was not his worst work at all.
If we sign NA, I’m fine with McD back. With top talent, most coordinators can do the job.
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McDermott and this D sucks.
The Pack beat us with the running game and lame under the safety stuff. He never adjusted. We need to abandon the “small quick” DT crap. Get 2 fat ass Fridge Perry/Hollis Thomas SOB’s in there and watch Trent Cole suddenly last an entire season. Remember Cory Simon? DT’s should weigh 330lbs. Control the line of scrimmage first. Poke me in the eye and tell me you kissed me. I guess I’ll have to believe it.
GO VICK! (And Kolb too if necessary!)
by Lombardi and Broad on Jan 10, 2011 7:39 PM EST reply actions
Agreed
we need to hogs go after big baby shaun rodgers package Marty and Kolb to Clev in a trade!
by timiglide007 on Jan 10, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
loved big corey.....
2 bad wat happened with him he was dominate at one point. I agree we do need sum hogs in there, true hogs lol.
by goldenbird09 on Jan 11, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Asante Samuel will get his Dywane Wade on at the Pro Bowl
and convince Asomugha to take a pay cut to play for a contender. At least that’s what the homer in me is hoping.
by Shady is an Eagle! on Jan 10, 2011 8:53 PM EST reply actions
Its time for Jeffery to grow a set and dump Big Red and Co.
You don’t rebuild for 12 years. It doesn’t take that long to rebuild. This team “rebuilt” in 99 when Reid & McNabb came to town. We make changes here or there, but we’re not really changing every position we have. Some of these guys have now played 3 years or more. No excuse to not getting it done. You build through the draft, as well as free agency if you can find solid players. Chiefs won 10 games this year after only 4 wins. Falcons replaced their whole roster & coaching staff all the way to the best record in NFC. Heck, even the Patriots change pretty much 3/4 of their roster, and THEY have the best record in the NFL. If we have the WRONG players, then the coaches are to blame. They’re the ones who brought them in. If we have the RIGHT players, but the WRONG schemes, then the coaches are also to blame. You build around the players’ strengths. After all, they’re the ones playing on the field.
Im all for it
I would give him whatever he wants. Asante didnt get one interception after getting hurt not because his injury was that bad. It was because everyone knew how easy it was to pick on patterson. They never threw the ball to Asante’s side. We could play a lot more cover 2 man which would be ideal with 2 shut down corners. It litteraly lets the linebackers and safeties sit in zone.
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