Assessing the Depth of the Eagles
I suspect the Eagles are far from done making moves before they go to battle with the Green Bay Packers one week from today, but with their 53 man roster set, let's take a look their strongest positions of depth, and others where they may be a little thin.
We'll go with the highly scientific "Scale of 1-10 Meter," with 1 being worst in the NFL, 10 being outstanding...
QB - Kevin Kolb, Michael Vick, Mike Kafka
Depth ranking - 7. Kafka's a long-term project, and won't see the field anytime soon. Vick is a very polarizing player, and I can certainly understand if people don't like his game. He has never been an accurate passer or decision maker, but he still has that raw explosive talent. He'll see time on the field regardless of whether or not Kevin Kolb sustains an injury, but if he had to see action for an extended period of time, I'm confident he'd make his share of plays to go along with some inevitable mistakes. If you take a peek around the league, how many backup QB's are out there that you'd rather have over Vick?
RB/FB - LeSean McCoy, Mike Bell, Eldra Buckley, Leonard Weaver
Depth ranking - 2.5. McCoy had a great camp and looks like the player the Eagles hoped he would be when they drafted him last year, and Weaver is the best fullback in football. But after that it's dicey, at best. Bell in an average backup RB that has had trouble staying healthy, as he received a grand total of 8 carries this preseason (for 17 yards), all against Kansas City. Buckley is a good special teamer, but is not much of a threat in the run game. Should McCoy go down, opposing defenses are simply going to pin their ears back and go after the QB, having little respect for the run game.
WR - DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Jason Avant, Riley Cooper, Hank Baskett
Depth ranking - 9.5. Avant might be the best 3 in the game, and Cooper looks like he may follow in the footsteps of Jackson and Maclin by making significant contributions in his rookie season. Baskett is a special teams specialist that knows the offense inside and out.
TE - Brent Celek, Clay Harbor
Depth ranking - 2.5. I really like Clay Harbor, but I'm not ready for him to be my starting TE anytime soon, should Celek have to come out of a game. I'd be shocked if the Eagles didn't look to add a vet in the next day or two.
OL - Jason Peters, Winston Justice, Jamaal Jackson, Todd Herremans, Austin Howard, Reggie Wells, Mike McGlynn, King Dunlap, Nick Cole, Max Jean-Gilles
Depth ranking - 7.5. A week ago, I would have had this number much lower, but the Eagles did an outstanding job dealing for Reggie Wells, and the unexpected early return of Jamaal Jackson is huge. The starters are Peters, Herremans, Jackson, Cole, and Justice, although I suspect that Cole's job will eventually transition over to Wells as the season progresses and Wells adapts to the Eagles' blocking schemes. Herremans is the likely backup at LT, while Wells has previous starting experience at RT. Along the interior of the line, Nick Cole started all 16 games last season (he has 22 career starts), and is the primary backup at all 3 interior OL positions. Although Cole isn't an ideal starter, he's been an outstanding role player for this offense filling in as a starter on numerous occasions and playing well. Behind Cole, Max Jean-Gilles started 5 games last season (16 career starts), and is a competent backup. McGlynn received a ton of scrutiny this preseason due to Jamaal Jackson's injury concerns and was solid, not spectacular in his preseason appearances. Austin Howard is a very intriguing offensive tackle - He had a tremendous camp and earned his way onto this roster. I'm not sure I want to see him on the field during a game that counts yet, but it's hard not to be impressed with the way he made it impossible for the coaching staff to cut him. I'm still not sure how King Dunlap made the team, but here he is... again.
DL - Brandon Graham, Trent Cole, Mike Patterson, Brodrick Bunkley, Juqua Parker, Antonio Dixon, Darryl Tapp, Antwan Barnes, Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, Trevor Laws
Depth ranking - 9. Let's get the starters out of the way - Cole is great, Bunkley/Patterson are who they are (outstanding clogging the middle against the run, not much in the way of pass rushers), and if you're an Eagle fan and you're not excited about Graham you don't have a pulse. Beyond that, this team has a very nice mix of DL talent. Juqua Parker had 8 sacks last year, which tied him for 20th in the entire NFL. Unfortunately, Parker is too undersized to consistently hold the point of attack against the run and was a liability in that regard. With Graham taking over as the starting LDE, Sean McDermott can give Parker a more defined role, where he can be used to his strengths. Daniel Te'o-Nesheim saw a time as an inside pass rusher in the nickle, and looks like a great try-hard guy that can be very effective as games get deep into the 3rd and 4th quarters as the offensive line tires. Graham should also be occasionally used as an inside pass rusher in the nickle defense. Barnes is a speed rusher that should see action in obvious passing situations. Tapp could be used to spell Cole on occasion (Cole rarely came off the field last year), although Tapp needs to improve on his disappointing showing in camp. Trevor Laws was one of the true pleasant surprises in camp, and could finally start to contribute as a pass rushing DT. Dixon, the Eagles 3rd DT last season, returns after winning a roster battle with rookie Jeff Owens.
LB - Stewart Bradley, Ernie Sims, Akeem Jordan, Keenan Clayton, Jamar Chaney, Omar Gaither, Moise Fokou
Depth ranking - 6. What a difference the presence of Stewart Bradley makes - This time last year, after Bradley had gone down and Gaither became the starter (leaving the depth cupboard completely bare), I might have called this category a 1.5. I mean... they signed Jeremiah Trotter... and actually put him in the lineup! Ugh. Apologies to Trot, a great former Eagle, but thank God that whole mess is over (knocking on wood). The Eagles linebacker corps was a disaster last year, and it may be the most improved unit on the team this season. Stewart, Sims and Jordan are the starters, with Omar Gaither a capable backup at all 3 LB positions. Fokou looks like a player with immense talent, but makes too many dopey decisions to be trusted as a starter. He'll see some time as the joker. Clayton, for now at least, is probably just a special teamer, but the possibilities he brings with his freakish speed and play making ability are very intriguing. The Eagles will find a role for him. Chaney is a project that the Eagles didn't want to expose to the other 31 teams. I suspect he'll be inactive for the majority of the season.
CB - Asante Samuel, Ellis Hobbs, Joselio Hanson, Dimitri Patterson, Trevard Lindley, Jorrick Calvin
Depth ranking - 5.5. I really struggled with this one. Samuel and Hobbs are the starters, and I feel pretty good about that for now. As for the depth, on the one hand, it's hard not to be encouraged by the way Trevard Lindley and Dimitri Patterson played this offseason. They were awesome in camp and in the preseason games, but we've never seen Lindley play when it counts, and we've never seen Patterson play well over an extended period of time. Conversely, we have seen Hanson play well when it has counted, but he had an atrocious preseason. Calvin played well against the Jets, but I'm not going to pretend I have a strong opinion about his game. Rare occasion where I really have no idea whatsoever how the Eagles will utilize their corner depth. The common perceived hole that the experts want to pick at is corner depth, but I really feel strongly that this team has slightly above average depth at corner. Can Patterson and Lindley continue their strong play? That'll be the question.
S - Quintin Mikell, Nate Allen, Kurt Coleman
Depth ranking - 2. Mikell and Allen are the starters of course. Mikell is among the best safeties in the NFL, and Allen already looks like a smooth, polished vet. Coleman, meanwhile, is the story of the preseason on the defensive side of the ball. It's remarkable how much confidence the coaching staff has in him to cut both Macho Harris and Quintin Demps, leaving a 7th round supplemental draft pick as the primary backup at both safety spots... for now. But in reality, raise your hand if you're not concerned with that thought. Just like at the TE position, the Eagles will almost certainly add a veteran safety in the next few days.
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i think u nailed it for the most part
but if the birds sign ingram to the PS, than id give em a 4 for depth, and for running back, i wouldnt say a 2.5, maybe a 3.5 or 4 because if shady does go down, which i pray he doesnt, weaver would get a lot more snaps at tailback than bell or buckley
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This list is why
injuries play such a large part of the NFL season. Look at Dallas last year vs. the prior years. What was the difference? Last Dallas was one of the healthiest teams in the league, the years before they were not.
If our starters stay healthy, we win 10-14 games. If not, then 8-8 would be great.
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I am definitely a bit worried about the RB situation. If McCoy goes down the front office will be scrambling for a replacement.
that's why...
we have deuce staley back in the organization… just in case…
seriously, if shady does go down, then reid has one more reason to pass more…
by ringordietryin on Sep 5, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
When was Boo Robinson cut?
Keeping Dunlap and cutting Demps? (Eyebrows go up half an inch)
I hate to see a failed experiment repeated, but why do I feel that the Eagles are going to try once again to convert a cornerback to safety?
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Boo was cut a couple days ago. And I agree with you on Dunlap – Even if the Eagles pick up a safety this week, I’d much rather have either Macho or Demps over Dunlap for the time being. Then, after they find a safety they may like more, that’s when you cut Macho/Demps.
mehhh.....
i dont get it, ive never been 2 big on Victor " i wish i was Macho" Harris but i think its WAYYYYYYYY 2 soon to be giving up on Demps, i dont like the move one bit. The guy is very talented he just needs 2 stop being a knucklehead and take 2 being coached up. Hes a fairly decent safety as well a kick returner. I think there will be more than a few teams interested in his services and i wouldnt be surprised if one of them is from the East.
Boo who?
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by MightyJoeBanner on Sep 5, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure you are giving Bell enough credit. When he was the starter last year, he had some good games then he got hurt and was asked to be the short yardage back I think he will be better this year since he just won’t be a short yardage back when he is a backup. As for Buckley I’m hoping they get somebody else that can play STs that can actually run because I’d have nightmares if both McCoy and Bell got hurt and then he had to start. I think Michael Robinson is still available.
Wells vs Andrews?
I’ve been reading alot of posts here and elsewhere, but I still can’t figure out why AZ would let Wells go for peanuts, if he’s really a quality proven starter…..I think overall I like the move, but what am I missing here?
well....
if something is 2 good to be true it usually is lol, i know Wells lost his job but theres also gotta be a reason they gave him up so cheap, i say we shouldnt get 2 pumped about the move.
Check out this post I wrote a month ago that identified teams that had an overabundance of talent at various positions. If you’ll note, the only team that I identified as a team that had good depth at OG was in fact the Cardinals…
Cardinals (OG) – Alan Faneca came over from the Jets and will start at LG. Reggie Wells is the likely starter on the right side, with Herman Johnson serving as his primary competition. Rex Hadnot also provides valuable depth as a backup guard and center. The wildcard here is former 2nd round pick Deuce Lutui, who apparently has been eating small school children all offseason. The Cardinals would love to unload him for a draft pick, but I think interested teams might be wise to simply wait until he’s cut.
The Cards must feel pretty good about Alan Faneca, Duece Lutui as the starters, and with a capable backups in Herman Johnson and Rex Hadnot, they apparently asked Wells if he would rather serve as a backup or be traded. He opted to be traded… so here he is. I think we can go ahead and feel pretty good about this one for now.
At some point, someone out there is going to put a list together of all the attractive players that are available at each position, and I haven’t found it yet. I would put it together, but unfortunately I too much work to do around the house today, and don’t have the time for the level of legwork that a list like that will take. When one eventually pops up, I’ll take a look then.
Here’s a list of who was cut if that helps you at all.
On quick glance, there weren’t any names that stuck out to me in terms of safeties.
I put a dollar in a change machine. Nothing changed.
yeah thanks alcatraz......
glancing quickly at the names none really jumped out obviously so, however i did see a interesting name , Myron Rolle was cut by the Titans , we all kno who he is, i wouldnt mind bringing him in for a workout.
I kinda don't want him to play in the NFL
A kid with his brain would be better served doing something more useful like neuroscience, med school, or whatever the hell got him into Oxford.
I put a dollar in a change machine. Nothing changed.
I am fine with Dunlap on the team for now, but he should be the first to go when the Eagles pick up another WR or TE. I am struggling to think who should go on the defensive side: one of the 10 DL or 6 CB.
I like Mike Bell
so I give our RBs a 7
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Joique
is the man. Or was in college
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by MightyJoeBanner on Sep 5, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
So who's getting the boot?
Is we keeping him as an LB or DE?
haha
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by MightyJoeBanner on Sep 5, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Some players cut
-Troy Smith (QB) – I dont want him but weren’t we rumored to want to trade for him?
-Joique Bell(RB) – I loved him in the draft.
-Chase Coffman(TE)
-Larry Asante(S)
-Dre Bly(CB) – not sure if he has anything left.
-Earnest Wilford(TE/WR) – He’s 31 so…….
-Derrick Burgess(DE) We’re stacked at DE but I always liked this guy. We don’t need him I know!
-Andre Brown(RB)
-Justin Hartwig© someone on here mentioned he was good but I have no clue.
-Myron Rolle – JasonB says he’s over rated. Prob is but I liked his measurables.
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Hartwig is a C
Take the name off the back of the jersey's and reinvent football as a team sport.
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by MightyJoeBanner on Sep 5, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I would add Tank Tyler (DT) from Carolina, although the Eagles have the defensive line very stacked.
Anyone want to re-negotiate Matt Leinart?
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Andre Brown was already signed.
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
Donovon Warren also.
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Is Chad Hall getting signed to the practice squad?
by The Fish on Sep 5, 2010 2:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Is there any possibility that Clayton could play safety if needed? He played some safety at Oklahoma; if i rmember correctly that’s how he won a starting spot his freshman year.
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Generally agree
Except on the line – MJG, McGlynn, Howard, Dunlap, Cole are going to be the backups on this team by Week 3 or so after Wells gets enough familiarity with the playbook.
A rating of 7.5 to me implies this group is one of the better group of backup OL in the league.
MJG started 5 games last year – he was an absolute disaster in the last 2 of them and didn’t play well in a single start. I would say he is a below average backup.
McGlynn is a guy who is entering his 3rd year and frankly didn’t so much this year in OTA or in camp. If he had at C, he would likely be the starter in Week 1 as the Eagles wouldn’t feel so pressured to rush back Jackson. Instead, McGlynn was mediocre at best struggling to call out blitz assignments and generate much run blocking push upfront. Again, maybe he gets pressed into duty and shows he is an adequate starter at the NFL.
Howard had an up-and-down camp and Dunlap showed that he is a guy that you don’t want on the field.
This is a group that has one guy (Cole) who has showed that he can fill in adequately at the G position. There simply aren’t any real contingency plans at either C or RT. Not as big a deal at RT because you hope Justice stays healthy. Huge risk at C to assume that Jackson comes back healthy and effective for 16 G.
CB
Seems a bit high too because if Hobbs/Samuel go down it will either be Patterson or Lindlay starting at one of the outside CB spots. Get buy with this for maybe 1-2 G but going to be a real problem if either guys misses a month or more especially against team that use alot of spread/4 WR formations.
Agreed on the D-line depth
It’s really impressive. At DE alone they’ve got two guys who were starters last year in Parker & Tapp that are backups now. Laws looks like this year’s Winston Justice and although Dixon was banged up a lot in camp, he was surprisingly good last year.
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As for possible RB depth… Julius Jones was cut. Nothing special, but he can catch the ball. Probably suffered playing behind a pretty terrible Seattle line last year.
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He would be a good pickup. Kind of a high-injury guy though, only thing that would make me nervous.
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Only issue would be that he would have to play special teams. Buckley does that, fairly well actually. My guess is that Jones & Bell generally don’t?
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Actually special teams is probably what won Buckley the job. I though Mallett actually ran a little better in preseason.
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you grossly overestimated your depth for the defensive line.
I’d put it at a 3.5. You lose Bunkley or Patterson and you’re screwed.
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Really? Why is that? Laws has been outstanding this preseason, as has been Dixon, and Jeff Owens almost earned a spot too. He’ll be on PS. We have a TON of depth at every DL position.
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Safety with Experience
I’m pretty sure I got an espn text about jonathan babineaux being cut. obviously nothing spectacular, but once was a decent safety and will make for a guy with good experience, if nothing to teach coleman some more
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I've heard
from a bunch of buddies who are Packers fans that they’ve had to cut a few really good TEs because they had too much depth. Might be interesting.
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I think the ranking for the run game should be higher
I understand that if mccoy is down, then basically we are screwed. But the fact that we have a healthy mccoy right now, and the best fullback in the nfl…i think it should be higher than a measly 2.5
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team
i think we have a good team , but they got to come together as a team,
plus we have some tough teams this yr. we need a another safety on the ps

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