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Worried if Kolb doesn't pan out? This is why I'm not.

First off, I'd like to start by stating that Kolb should still be the starter for at least the next couple games. He has earned the chance to prove himself. However, that's as far my patience will run. This team is built to win now. It is not logical to throw in the towel and draft a quarterback in the 1st round next year and wait another 2-3 years until he's ready. People need to remember, Kolb is not a rookie. He has been in the NFL and the system for three years and comparisons to current top quarterbacks that had a rough rookie year shouldn't be made. So far(including the pre-season), he has looked less than stellar to say the least.

Staring down his primary receiver, poor vision, poor decision making, inability to read defenses, standing there and taking sacks, inaccurate, you name it. Again it's a very small sample size, he should and will get his chance to turn it around. IF he doesn't.....IF he doesn't....I believe that we can win the Superbowl with Michael Vick(this is with the belief that he will get extended) and here are my reasons why.

Star-divide

Stats in Six Quarters of Play

37/58 - 63.8 pct - 459 yards - 7.9 avg - 3 TD - 0 INT - 105.5 QB rating - 18 rushing attempts - 140 yards - 7.8 avg 

Say what you will about the Packers not game planning for him or the Lions defense being horrible. His play has been incredible. The Packers are a Superbowl contender and the Vick led Eagles nearly made the comeback. Those stats don't even tell the full story. How many times did we see him elude from pressure and making a play due to poor pass protection? With improved pass blocking, he will be even better.

He is also one of the main reasons for McCoy having such a great game yesterday. With Vick at quarterback, defensive ends and linebackers pay extra attention to sealing off the outside just in case Vick gets out of the pocket and rushes. Hence, why we have been so successful running up the middle. ALL four of McCoy's rushing touchdowns came on runs up the middle. 


2010 Philadelphia Eagles vs 2004 Atlanta Falcons 

Take a look at the roster of the 2004 NFC Championship runner-up Atlanta Falcons team. Tell me the Eagles roster right now is not better than that.  That Falcons team was 20th in total offense and 14th in total defense that year, yet they made it to the NFC Championship game and lost to arguably the greatest Eagles team in history. They reached that far primarily for one reason and that's Michael Vick. 

I have never been a big believer of Vick's abilities as a quarterback. You could see that by reading this post I created, ironically right before he was signed by the Eagles. However, my beliefs have changed. Vick has shown he still has that ability and is now on an undoubtedly better Eagles team, not to mention, better coaches. If he can take that Falcons team to an NFC Championship game and if guys like Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson can win Superbowls, who's to say Vick can't with this highly talented Eagles team? 

An Interesting Nugget the Announcers Mentioned During the Game Yesterday

Gunther Cunningham is the current Lions defensive coordinator. During his time with the Chiefs, he was considered one of the best defensive coordinators in the NFL. In the 2004 regular season, Vick and the Falcons faced his Chiefs. They blitzed the living hell out of the Falcons and dominated them in a 56-10 rout. In other words, he knew how to stop Vick. That same coordinator along with Jim Schwartz couldn't stop the 2010 Vick led Eagles. 

Young and Improving Eagles Team 

The average age of this team(besides specialists) is 25.5 years. It's fair to say this team is improving every game they play. Our 2010 draft picks will make significant strides next year, upcoming additions through free agency and the draft will make the Eagles Superbowl contenders in the next 1-2 years. Vick still has 27-yr old legs and an absolute cannon for an arm. He will be the same for a good 4 more years. I personally believe this team is just one good SAM backer(Akeem Jordan is not getting it done), one good offensive linemen and maybe a cornerback away from contending. 

In Conclusion

Kolb could absolutely light it up next week and we will forget all this Vick talk. Hell, I'm absolutely fine with that. I, along with all you, want what's best for the Eagles. I just want to put it out there that it won't be the end of the world if Kevin Kolb is not the answer. I have noticed quite a few posters saying we should just get a high 1st rounder and draft a quarterback next year. THAT, I am not fine with. 

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After reading this post, do you think the Eagles can win a Superbowl with Vick as quarterback within the next 3-4 years?
Yes.
162 votes
No.
53 votes
Undecided.
25 votes
I want Mcnabb back.
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I believe that we can win the Superbowl with Michael Vick

Thank God that I wasn’t sipping my coffee when I read that line…..

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by Chinaman on Sep 20, 2010 4:19 AM EDT reply actions  

And at 4:30am, maybe you should be. LOL.

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by GreenInBaltimore on Sep 20, 2010 4:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's 16:30 for me, I live in China

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by Chinaman on Sep 20, 2010 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well its AM for me. So forgive me. I hadn’t taken your name literally. Sorry! LOL

If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
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by GreenInBaltimore on Sep 20, 2010 4:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Very good post. Level headed and clear. The sky isnnt falling….
BUT…the only thing that I disagree with is the line where you say that “kolb has earned the right.” Really? How? Because he served his time in the backup role? Because everyone has told us he’ll be great? Now had you said that WE deserve to see what this kid has….then I would agree. The only thing that he doesn’t have in his favor at this point, is the stellar play of a backup QB. Beyond that, all things are aligned for a young guy to take the reigns and run.
Of course, I am biased in this. I don’t like KK. I haven’t since we drafted him. I still wanted mcnabb here.
 I’ll support any direction that the eagles go. I just haven’t seen anything in KK that’s changed my mind yet. Here’s to hoping that I do…..

If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
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by GreenInBaltimore on Sep 20, 2010 4:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

BUT…the only thing that I disagree with is the line where you say that "kolb has earned the right." Really? How? Because he served his time in the backup role? Because everyone has told us he’ll be great?

1. The only QB in the history in the NFL to throw for 300+ yards in his first two starts.

2. He spent three years learning the system and earned the job through training camp and practice. With no bitching and crying a la Matt Leinart.

3. He just got a one year $12.26 mil extension of which $10.7 mil is a guaranteed signing bonus. The front office definitely think he earned it. I don’t think you want someone getting paid that much dough, to be riding the bench and not see what he has.

If you remember, I was one of the bigger Mcnabb supporters and didn’t want him to get sent off. You can check the very good Mcnabb post you made. Well, he did and we have to work with what we have now.

by Route36 on Sep 20, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

1. The only QB in the history in of the NFL to throw for 300+ yards in his first two starts.

by Route36 on Sep 20, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Touche. Well put…
But that still doesnt sell me on him earning it just yet. I’m just not there….

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by GreenInBaltimore on Sep 20, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

and i actually went back and read through that post, and all 200+ comments. just to see the views people had back then.
My my my how things have changed.

If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
-Ricky Bobby

by GreenInBaltimore on Sep 20, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Kolb hasnt earned his shot with 3 years of a backup role and 3 starts, two of which he played very well. How has vick earned his chance when he has started for us once. with 6 quarters of good play. What he did in atlanta 6 years ago means nothing. Six years ago Jake Delhomme was a good quarterback too. Lets go get him and start him. Ya…dont be a moron. Neither one of these quarterbacks deserve to be starters yet. Kolb would be better if he pans out because he will be with the team longer. Thats the only advantage either way.

by PolishMiracle on Sep 20, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont know that I am being a moron. And I am also not saying that Kolb shouldnt get to start. But I dont know that he’s earned it simply because he rode pine for 3 years. What if Peyton Manning and the Colts couldnt come to terms on a new contract, and he became available next year? Wouldnt you want the Eagles to at least consider him? I certainly know that I would. And I wouldnt care who rode the bench previous. And thats really MORE than I am even trying to say with our current situation. IMHO, Kolb just isnt the Golden Child yet. I hope that he is, and soon. I’ve just never really liked him. I hope he turns me into a believer….

If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
-Ricky Bobby

by GreenInBaltimore on Sep 20, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem GIB.....

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by Chinaman on Sep 20, 2010 4:45 AM EDT reply actions  

This is exactly how I feel with Kolb… He is NO ROOKIE. Like Damn we traded a good qb for him, I expect him to have a standerd in performance that’s good right away.

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by Young Eagle on Sep 20, 2010 6:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

In my opinion that is a completely unrealistic way to think. If someone’s dog passes away, do they go out and get a new dog, and then expect him to know all the tricks the first dog did?

 It takes time to train a quarterback, and that final step can only happen with live, meaningful reps…not preseason and one half of football. Give this guy a few more weeks to show that he can be that guy, and if he doesn’t then look elsewhere.

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by southjersey89 on Sep 20, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

bad metaphor. if my dog dies, and then i go get a new one that has been through training, i certainly hope i am not dealing with an untrained puppy.
he definitely gets a few more weeks. but i do think his leash (pun intended) is going to be shorter than if he was actually a rookie.
ouch…..too much “dog” stuff in this post when Mike Vick is on our team.

If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
-Ricky Bobby

by GreenInBaltimore on Sep 20, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

ouch…..too much "dog" stuff in this post when Mike Vick is on our team.

lmao.

Kolb does have some training, but he shouldn’t be given up on until he shows that he can put that training to use on the field. I haven’t seen nearly enough of Kolb leading this offense to be convinced he is a worthless project. Until I do, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

People just need to temper their expectations a bit. Just because we essentially swapped McNabb for Kolb doesn’t mean Kolb should replicate his numbers immediately or else he’s a failure…that’s ridiculous.

"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums

by southjersey89 on Sep 20, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want Kolb to keep th starting job, for now. I just dont want the leash to be more than 5 or 6 games this year. Thats my main gripe. After 3 years of “training,” we shouldnt need to lose a full year to developement.

If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
-Ricky Bobby

by GreenInBaltimore on Sep 20, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just wonder...

…if Kolb doesn’t work out…what do we do with him?

by justyn725 on Sep 20, 2010 7:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Im with u Route 36.......

i know its only fair tho for Kolb 2 get his job back and start against Jacksonville if hes healthy and cleared. That being said im with u 100% on Vicks play, ive always sipped the kool aid when it came 2 Vick but i am especially impressed with his play throwing the ball, i know he only played 1 and a half games so far but 63 % comp. i will take from a guy whos lookin 2 take off from the pocket. Also the 0 picks jumps out 2 me also, however he did get away with a couple that coulda been picked yesterday.
SOOOOOOOOOOO back 2 Kolb we go for now i guess, and lemme say sumtin for everybody who wants Kolb in there over Vick……….our O-line is lookin terrible and if Kolb played against detroit he woulda been manhandled by Suh and Vanden Bosch, just wait till Kolb has a game where he gets sacked 7 times and sum are his fault for not being able 2 get out of his own way, then all the Vick haters will be beggin for him 2 come back in.

by goldenbird09 on Sep 20, 2010 7:56 AM EDT reply actions  

In My Opinion

I have been a KK fan since he was given the starting job. However I am a firm believer that MV is built much better for our OL than KK is. In all fairness he should get a fair shot to start, but I feel this organization comes BEFORE any player or coach. So I say if he can’t get it done, let Vick play.

by EagleElo on Sep 20, 2010 9:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

How is this team built to win now?

We’re practically the youngest team in the NFL, and we’re still trying to get an offensive line together. This team is obviously good, but it is no where near built to win RIGHT now.

by Team Serbia on Sep 20, 2010 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

When I wrote “built to win now”, I meant like a solid winning season not the Superbowl.

The average age of this team(besides specialists) is 25.5 years. It’s fair to say this team is improving every game they play. Our 2010 draft picks will make significant strides next year, upcoming additions through free agency and the draft will make the Eagles Superbowl contenders in the next 1-2 years.

by Route36 on Sep 20, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Frankly

Who cares anymore about solid winning seasons? We had enough of those. Our one and only target got be the Vince Lombardi Trophy, nothing less.

We waited 50 years, I dont mind waiting a couple more.

I just hope the battle plan is about improving the o-line in next draft/offseason, cause obviously it isnt good enough right now.

by FireTheWalrus on Sep 20, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I agree 100% with the OP. People seem to miss the fact that Kolb is NOT a rookie, so saying how Troy Aikman started off 0-12 is irrelevant.
I would NEVER have thought Vick would be this good PASSING. He was tough, saavy and showed more accuracy than I have ever seen from him. Couple that with the fact that he has legs that even Mcnabb in his prime dreams of…well, you have a defensive nightmare. Kolb ? Theres no doubt he can play—but for our team with this offensive line and Andy’s refusal to run the ball consistently, I dont see things going well for him.
So if Vick is better now than he was when he made the Pro Bowl…why in hell wouldnt we play him now ? Why cant HE be our QB of the future ? Lets not make the same mistake the Giants made with Kurt Warner. Granted Eli won a super bowl but that was more to do wiht their Defense than anything else. Meanwhile Warner went to the cards and showed why he is a first ballot hall of famer.

by Gdog2009 on Sep 20, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

VICK NEEDS TO PLAY!
Kolb needs to sit! I dont know why I see people saying Eagls invested in Kolb and hes the future soooooo much? From the 10 or so quarters that ive seen- he does not have the talent to win a SB unless you have great pieces around him. You dont need great pieces around Vick (offensive line). has anyone seen Kolbs arm? Compare it to young QBs in the league today (Rodgers, Freeman, Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan…just to name a few that are ALL WAAAY BETTER). Kolb will not be the answer when Vick goes. Kafta will not be the answer neither. It will be elsewhere. These QBs dont have the talent to be a QB with all these skilled players at WR, RB, and TE. Are they gonna be abl to compete with GB packers for the next 6-7 years or so with Kolb at the helm??? I dont think so!!!
Does anyone really thinks Shady will be scoring rushing TDs from the 15 yard line without Vick being on the defensive players mind? When have we EVER seen the EAGLES rush like that in back to back games. Thank you above post for mentioning Warner. THE ST. LOUIS RAMS NEEDED AN INJURY TO TRENT GEEN TO SEE WHAT THEY HAD. This seems real similar to me.

by Bugzy on Sep 20, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't need pieces around Vick?

Vick circa the Atlanta years begs to differ with that argument. What did he win there? Absolutely Nothing.

I’m going with Reid and FO here. What YOU haven’t seen in 10 or so quarters they have over the last couple of YEARS. Let alone how good Kolb looked in his two starts last year, you’re going to go and pass judgment on 10 passes in the first game of the year?

That’s just silly.

It’s absolutely ridiculous how jumpy football fans are. Earlier this offseason it was we can’t trade McNabb, after the trade it was, I hope Kolb does well, during training camp it was damn this kid looks good and now 10 passes later Kolb doesn’t have any hope of being a decent starting QB? Give me a damn brake, take a seat and see how he does because I promise you, the guys making the decision have a football IQ exponentially higher than any of us. They know Kolb they know what he can do because they’ve seen him do it every day in practices you’ve never watched since they drafted him. To go and make an impulse decision to go with a QB who has been inconsistent in the past but has put up good performances against a defense who wasn’t prepared for him to play that much in Green Bay and another defense that just isn’t as good in Detroit is just stupid.

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by Rogue Nine on Sep 20, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point

Let the people who have taken the time to be experts in their field make the decisions because they have far more information and knowledge on the subject than we could ever hope to acquire from our keyboards. They’ve done a very good job maintaining a team that has been very successful for a very long time now.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Sep 20, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

bottom line is................

with the way our O-line is looking Vick would definitely be better suited 2 play. He made a couple plays yesterday that no ther QB in the league could make escaping sacks. The bottom line is the guy is a frakish athlete and if his passing keeps improving we might be making a huge mistake letting him go after this year. Everybody says hes getting old but his prison stint actually perserved his legs.

by goldenbird09 on Sep 20, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

My worry is that Vick doesn't have an inbetween mode

You say “keep improving” like it’s a given or he’s a young QB we don’t know a lot about. He has plenty of starting experience and also lots of stats to look at.

Going over his game logs I can see that these aren’t typical Vick performances. Vick over his career averages 140 yards/gm via the pass and about 50 on the ground with an 88 game sample size. We need better than that with our defense the way it is right now. These two games he’s fantastic but we can’t forget that it was against a Packer’s defense that wasn’t ready for him and a Detroit defense that was rather Detroit-esque. On the average though, he isn’t a great quarterback, he’s pedestrian. We need better than that and Kolb could be, he has a ceiling and we don’t know what it is. He can be better than Vick. He could also be worse, much worse but we need to find out because I would say our future is riding more on Kolb than it is Vick.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Sep 20, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

those stats came from the worst OC in the league, greg knapp,

running a completely retarded version of the WCO that featured NO short passing (no slants, etc). and he was coached to look at 1st read, 2nd read, RUN.

riley cooper would have been the best WR on those teams (i’m exaggerating, but his go to guy was brian finneran. who was CUT from the eagles teams that featured the craptastic duo of pinkston and thrash — think about that).

his OL was worse than this OL. his defense could never stop the run.

with far better weapons and far better coaching (and i’m a HUGE critic of andy and marty, but they are light years better than greg knapp), vick could definitely be a SB quarterback here.

by poetx on Sep 20, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good quarterbacks make plays no matter who they are throwing to. You think McNabb loved throwing to First Down Freddy and Pinkston every season? No but he still put up 3000 yards with a few hundred more on the ground and won football games because he made it happen with what he had. Vick showed he could do great things with what he was given in ATL, he had some monster games but he couldn’t ever keep it going he would suck the next week. That isn’t about the team he was on, it’s about personal ability, he CAN do it, he just has never put it all together.

We aren’t winning a SB here. The FO has essentially said that they don’t care about this year. Of course they didn’t SAY it, but when they traded McNabb that was the message. You really think we had a better chance to win with Kolb this year than McNabb? Of course not, McNabb was far and away the best bet to win this season, and we may have been a SB team with him at the helm. By trading McNabb they were saying, we accept that this year we’re going to go through some growing pains but we’re going to see what Kolb is on the competitive field and it will probably hurt us a little and we will lose games.

For the first time in a long time the FO gave us our objective loud and clear, this year it’s isn’t to win a SB, they don’t care about that. This year is to bring in a new QB and work him out in the NFL and see if he’s the guy they want leading this team for the next few years, if not we can move on and figure something else out, if we win a SB, awesome bonus but if we don’t they don’t care because it wasn’t really the objective anyway.

Start Kolb and let Vick sit, or better yet, trade him.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Sep 20, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

10 quarters is all u need to see if somebodys got ithe talent to be LEAD a team to a SB…im not talking trent dilfer here! does he have the arm strentgh..how tight the spiral is…accutacy…pocket awareness…improvising….ect… kolb dont got it. i have seen NONE of that! GB was onto something with rodgers…kolb is not even close to being same calibre player. like seriously…this guys arm is below NFL standard. wobley ducks. NFL QBs throw into the smallest of windows..

by Bugzy on Sep 20, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted yes

But I still don’t think he should be our QB. I think any decent veteran QB could win a Superbowl with this team, especially 2-3 years from now. But Kolb will be a veteran by then and he has a brighter future than Vick. People who know my opinions know that I don’t like Kolb, but he’s our QB and we can’t pull the rug out from under him after one half. In fact, he deserves at least a season and a half. If he’s sucking it up next year and by some chance we still have Vick (which I doubt), then he can be benched. But he deserves a chance.

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by DeSean10 on Sep 20, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

WOW, you want to give him 24 games to get acclimated?? He’s been with us for 3 years already. That is a VERY long leash, my friend.
And you know that I share your exact opinion on Kolb. I dont love him. But he is the guy now. But to give him 24 games is A LOT of wasted time with the core group that we have right now.

If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
-Ricky Bobby

by GreenInBaltimore on Sep 20, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

*to give him 24 games IF he is sucking.

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-Ricky Bobby

by GreenInBaltimore on Sep 20, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe so, but what good does it do if we sent McNabb packing just to give up on Kolb right away? If we wanted to win right now we would have kept McNabb. Plain and simple. McNabb knew this system better than Kolb or Vick simply because of his experience with it, and while he may not have been perfect he was still an excellent QB. I’m not sure whether Kolb will be good or not, but the Eagles FO sure thinks he will be, and I’m not willing to give up on the guy after one season, especially with this offensive line. I’m willing to give Kolb 24 games as the Eagles’ starter and if he hasn’t unequivocally proven that he deserves that title by that time we look for a replacement. But its gonna set us way back if Kolb isn’t what we had hoped.

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by DeSean10 on Sep 20, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well ..something really struck me this last game

one of the commentators said it. Can’t remember the exact words/phrase but it was something on the lines of, “Vick is in a rhythm” or “Vick has found is rhythm”! And I couldn’t dispute that. It confirmed what I saw last game. Yes, Kolb made poor decisions and bad mistakes. No excuses. But he never found or got into a rhythm. More importantly, I don’t believe that he was allow to. Nor given a chance to. A fair chance. Vick got a shot to play an “every-down” QB. Every possession, Vick was the only QB on the field. He got a chance to feel the game and adjust as time went on. To me, Kolb was not given this. U have the fans excited to see our new francise QB start the season off. All the talk about quick slants, and quick routes and releases..yet u come out with Kolb AND Vick on the first play. U keep interchanging the QBs every couple of plays. They put Kolb in bad situations. How do u expect a QB to find a rhythm! I rewatched that game and u notice that when a “Vick play” didn’t work or netted a loss in yards, Kolb was in the next play and then had to deal with a 3rd and long or a bad situation. Basically, I wanna see Kolb play football. I can not assess Kolb fairly with this interchanging QB gameplan (s).

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by Realtalk32 on Sep 20, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly

I said it earlier on the game ball thread, I want to see less Vick next week if Kolb truly is the starter, let him start and let him work through it.

"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.

by Rogue Nine on Sep 20, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dmac got to play years as a full-time QB

I would like Kolb to get that same chance. I’m saying totally cut out Vick. I’m saying let fans, let me, see Kolb play QB. Lets see Kolb can manage the game, call audibles and make the right reads. Lets see the accuracy and the quick release. Stop taking him out all the time. After a couple of games of this..only then can I make a clear decision on who should start for the rest of the season

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by Realtalk32 on Sep 20, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

it really sounds like you’d have some pull over who starts the remainder of the year once you see some more Kolb. LOL. just funny wording….

If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
-Ricky Bobby

by GreenInBaltimore on Sep 20, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i do that a lot.

"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."

by Realtalk32 on Sep 20, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

when did dmac get years to play full-time QB?

he came in 1999 because Doug Pederson blew. He showed flashes of greatness, won a couple games, lost more.

Then in his first FULL season…he leads the team to 11-5 record and 2nd round of the playoffs – history and fans will say ‘it was the defense, it was the defense, #5 was ’inaccurate,’ blah blah blah – but bottom line is – he got it done.

Kolb hasn’t had his first full season yet…heck…he hasn’t played in 3 straight games yet…but from the little we’ve seen…he hasn’t showed much of anything.

Not saying he’s done…

I do agree the vick interchanging with kolb so often is a little silly…

But let’s not say ‘kolb hasn’t gotten the same chance’ because ‘dmac got to play full years as a full-time qb’

no sh*t. he just started.

As much as we’re killin the Eagles O Line…

i imagine #5 would love for his first NFL start to include McCoy, Jackson, Maclin and Celek.

and let’s not act like McNabb wasn’t getting pressured for 70% of his career.

Runyan, Thomas get wayyyyyy to much credit, especially Runyan. This man was solid, came to work every day. which is respectable. It’s invaluable. but let’s not act like Runyan didn’t get his ass beat consistently by the NFC E’s premiere pass rushers. Same goes for Tra ‘what happened’ Thomas.

Vick gives the team the best chance to win now. end of story. all that other sh*t

“kolb is the more accurate qb…”
“kolb is the better fit for the W Coast Offense”
“kolb has better touch, can make quicker reads…”

all of that means jack sh*t if DeMarcus Ware is in Kolb’s face – or Clay Matthews for that matter.

-Damon Moore (i saved the division back in 2001)

by damonmoore43 on Sep 20, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since like 2001.

Dmac had plenty of years as our full-time QB. But I get what ur trying say!

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by Realtalk32 on Sep 20, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's not entirely true

This is one reason why P.Manning is so effective against, a good blitzing team like the Eagles. He killed us becuz he would get the darn ball out so fast. He makes the reads at the L.O.S and call a hot route, usually quick patterns. Makes the right decisions and march right down the field progressively eating away at the defense bit by bit. Yes the Oline needs to be up to par. But it doesn’t have to be great nor really good when u have a QB who has these skills, it can kill a defense. My thing is..if u kno ur Oline is not playing particularly well and ur QB/QBs are running for their lives, why not help out and adjust. Create a gameplan helping out the Oline. Why keep calling 5 step drops?!

"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."

by Realtalk32 on Sep 20, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

on the one drive, the eagles were at like 3rd and forever (vs. GB), and they

insert vick (b/c kolb was already looking tentative against the rush and the line wasn’t protecting) and he gets a dozen yards or so after the pocket breaks down and sets up akers for the field goal.

THAT’s messing up kolb’s rhythm? for the sake of rhythm we should have taken a sack there, instead?

also, when mccoy got his first rushing TD in the GB game, it was during the first half, and when vick was in the game. because vick opens up the middle of the field while LBs and DL are preoccupied with containment. so THAT took kolb out of rhythm, too.

better to not put vick in on that snap, let the defense play vanilla, and that run gets stuffed like it would have last season, if it even gets called.

keep in mind that this whole issue of the offense not scoring goes back to preseason.

for the sake of rhythm, you’d have rather the eagles not have put up those 10 points in the 1st half vs. GB? hmm. going into the lockerroom with a goose egg would have gone over real well with the home crowd.

by poetx on Sep 20, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, that’s exactly what it did, took Kolb out of rhythm.

And uh I’m not sure which game you were watching but Shady’s TD run was at the end of the 3rd quarter, we were losing 13-3 at halftime.

But the 3rd and 21? It was a horrible play call and lacked the sort of guts a head coach needs. Go for the damn first down, that play call wasn’t for the first down. They could have given the call to Kolb for some easy to complete pass to set up a FG or heck, do the right thing and try and get a first down. Instead they pulled Kolb from the game and let Vick run a run they knew would never actually be a first down.

It’s all about the game in the head, and that’s a big part of it, yes some of the plays worked for the team at those particular moments but I think hurt it in terms of consistency in the first half. Taking a player off the field and making him watch a play takes him out of the feel of the game and in one way is equivalent to say “we don’t trust you.” For a QB to command a game he needs full control and needs to be in it every down. How is he supposed to build any personal momentum being yanked around like that?

The FO doesn’t want to win a SB this year, they don’t care about that. They said that as they sent McNabb to Washington, they’d rather not win this year in order to break in Kolb. So yeah, I’m OK with a hiccup here and there that costs us, I’d rather have Kolb take a sack there and lead a goal line drive because those are the experiences he needs in order to be a successful NFL QB, he can’t gain that sort of experience sitting on the sidelines watching Vick do it.

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by Rogue Nine on Sep 20, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm...
It’s all about the game in the head, and that’s a big part of it, yes some of the plays worked for the team at those particular moments but I think hurt it in terms of consistency in the first half. Taking a player off the field and making him watch a play takes him out of the feel of the game and in one way is equivalent to say "we don’t trust you."

Nuff said. Thank u

"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."

by Realtalk32 on Sep 20, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two completely unsupported leaps of faith
This team is built to win now
He will be the same for a good 4 more years.

But otherwise well-argued enough that I’m willing to entertain the possibility that we could win with Vick.

Of course, I’d say about 20 teams could win the Super Bowl if everything broke right.

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by D3Keith on Sep 22, 2010 12:31 AM EDT reply actions  

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