Packers At Eagles: Five Questions With The Enemy
This week we traded questions with Brandon, who runs our Green Bay Packers blog, Acme Packing Company. You can read my responses to his questions here and here.
The Packers secondary is beat up to say the least. What's your level of concern with that in the early part of the season?
Everyone loves Aaron Rodgers, everyone loves the Packers offense this year... but are there any chinks in the armor? What might stop them from being the best offense in the NFC?I've got some concern about the secondary. CB Charles Woodson and FS Nick Collins are two of the best in the NFL, and CB Tramon Williams is a solid starter, and they are one of the team's strengths. Undrafted rookie CB Sam Shields and 3rd round rookie SS Morgan Burnett, who both played like rookies during the preseason, will play a lot, but I can also see their potential. I'm not sure about CB Al Harris, who tore multiple knee ligaments last season, but CB Brandon Underwood should return soon, and former 2nd round CB Pat Lee should get better as the season goes on (he missed all of last season due to a bad knee). Also, SS Atari Bigby will certainly return in a few weeks. The Eagles might be catching them at their weakest.
There aren't any glaring weaknesses in the offense. The pass protection was bad early in 2009, but the return of veteran LT Chad Clifton and RT Mark Tauscher shored it up. The depth is good up and down the roster too. Some of the grey beards (Clifton, Tauscher, WR Donald Driver) aren't as good as they were five years ago, but they can all still play. On the other hand, outside of QB Aaron Rodgers (who'd I put up there against anybody), it isn't an offense loaded with All-Pros either. WR Greg Jennings is a solid No. 1 but he's far from the best WR in the NFC, for example.
If you could steal an Eagle and add him to Packers, who would it be?
My chief concern is the pass rush, so I'd have to say DE Trent Cole tops the list. He wouldn't be a true starter in a 3-4 defense, he's not big enough to play as a 3-4 DE and probably not a good fit at outside LB. But the Packers play a lot in a 4-2-5 scheme (since most teams favor the pass now) and Cole would fit perfectly in it. Unfortunately, just as Aaron Kampman bolted in free agency at his first opportunity, Cole might not like playing in a scheme that would occasionally require him to back pedal in coverage.
As good as the Packers offense was last year, they were only an average team running the ball. Would you say that was a function of troubles they had running, or simply because the passing game was so effective?
They certainly aren't an elite running team. On Thursday night, as I watched the Saints giant offensive guards shove the equally giant DT Pat Williams out of the way, I realized the Packer guards could never do that. Only RG Josh Sitton has above average size. They've tried to get more size inside, but no one has been able to beat out LG Daryn Colledge or C Scott Wells. And the offensive tackles aren't going to pancake anyone either. It's really a line best suited for pass or zone blocking, vs. winning one-on-one matches. The teams primary concern is having good pass blockers, who don't turn out to be the best run blockers, which necessitates more passing. I'm not sure it's by design, exactly, but the result is that they're better off throwing the ball.
The NFC North looks like it will be pretty good this year. The Packers and Vikings are 2009 playoff teams, the Bears went on a spending spree in the offseason, and the Lions are showing signs that they might finally be improving. Since the Eagles play the NFC North this year, would mind sizing it up a bit for us? Who is a real contender and who is a pretender?
The Lions are only going to be better if QB Matt Stafford is better. His stats were brutal in his rookie season (not a big surprise), and I'm not a believer in his future, but if he proves me wrong they could be a much better team as soon as this season. The stars on the Bears defense just keeping getting older and I wonder how much longer they can remain effective, while their offense will only improve if they find a decent starting WR for QB Jay Cutler. The Vikings look in trouble without WR Sidney Rice. It hasn't been talked a lot about nationally, but his loss is very big in my mind. I think back on how Favre played in 2005-2006, when he didn't have a healthy WR Javon Walker or WR Greg Jennings available to him, and his stats plummeted. Unless a Viking receiver other than TE Visanthe Shiancoe emerges as a favorite target, Favre's going to struggle to keep his QB rating above 80, and the Vikings are going to be in a battle for a playoff spot. The Packers still have to actually beat the Vikings this year when they play them, but right now the Packers appear to be a clear step ahead of everyone in the NFC North.
Thanks again to Brandon of Acme Packing Company
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I’m going into this game pretty confident. Ryan Grant doesn’t scare me one bit, and I like our pass rushes’ chances against their O-line. We need McCoy and Weave to eastablish the run (PLEASE FUCKING RUN IT REID!!!!)
^Nights Of Cabiria
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Sep 11, 2010 9:50 AM EDT reply actions
EASTABLISH!
I like it!
^Nights Of Cabiria
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Sep 11, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
indeed
Rodgers is the key, we have to stop that dude, he’s great.
^Nights Of Cabiria
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Sep 11, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
wow
this is quite the blanket statement…based on what facts? Have you timed his release compared with other nfl quarterbacks? Just saying. This might be a little bit of an exaggeration.
by PhilsForever on Sep 11, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Could be an exaggeration
Rogers was widely criticized for hanging onto the ball to long and causing some of last years early season sacks. He has turned that area of his game into a strength. In the preseason his arm on a majority of his throws was moving forward as his foot was hitting the ground on his drops. Granted it was preseason but I don’t remember anyone consistently getting rid of the ball as fast as Rogers has this preseason. Also it hasn’t affected his accuracy as he completed 78% of his preseason passes.
the idea that andy reid is going to become more run oriented is a dream. He is what he is…a pass first coach. He will give up on the run if it’s not working. I doubt we’ll see a change in that after 10 years.
I can still bitch about it
but we both know you’re right
^Nights Of Cabiria
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Sep 11, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
The running would help....
The only problem is that your o-line struggled last season w/ the run & the pass & i don’t see much of an improvement in preseason.
I do agree that you HAVE to run if Kolbs is your Q.B. he’s lack of arm strength negates your speedy receiver’s.
As for Grant he should scare you.He is one of the most underrated R.B’s out there.
"Think of the solution not the problem"
"Do you know who i think i'm not"
by bojackson34 on Sep 11, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
most overrated by far
hard worker, not very talented.
^Nights Of Cabiria
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Sep 11, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats the point...
You don’t need a super star running the ball when your QB & WR’s are…
"Think of the solution not the problem"
"Do you know who i think i'm not"
by bojackson34 on Sep 11, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
precisely
he is the product of a favourable situation. OVERRATED PLAYER. Any half-decent RB could do what he does.
^Nights Of Cabiria
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Sep 11, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m with you. He’s a product of a system. Sure, he has some really good games every once in a while but just about any running back would if they were consistently getting the majority of the carries.
He’s average and probably nothing more. Luckily for us though, we don’t really need him to be anything more because of how much McCarthy loves to pass.
by packallday555 on Sep 11, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
ummm...
The Eagles o-line did not struggle with the pass last season? Where did you get that? They scored a franchise high amount of points. The Only time they struggled is when certain starters were injured. Those starters are back. What are you talking about Kolb’s lack of arm strength? Where are you getting your information from? Also, how would that negate the speedy receivers? Ever heard of YAC? I know you are a packers fan, but please don’t come on this board and claim to know things about the Eagles without doing a little bit of homework.
by PhilsForever on Sep 11, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
definitely a packers fan
click on his username
by PhilsForever on Sep 11, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i stand corrected
he is not a packers fan, i thought I saw the team in his profile, nevermind…sorry.
by PhilsForever on Sep 11, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
((((((((((((((((((((((((RAIDERS)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
"Think of the solution not the problem"
"Do you know who i think i'm not"
I got to watch your camps & he has no big arm.Your receiver’s are not big they are build for speed not taking hard hits.Do you remember De Shawn taking that big hit against the Red Skins i believe?!?! He was out for a game & 1/2.So your Y.A.C. don’t look so good.
O-line has lost Peters right? & isn’t there 1 or 2 new starters?
The Eagles where 5th in scoring behind McNabbs cannon & legs.Kolb has neither ! ! !
So where are all the points going to come from the D### ! ! ? ? YA RIGHT…..
I understand team pride & wanting to win lots of Philly fan think they can shoot it out w/ the Packers.That is a false reality…
I.M.O. Vick needs to be in there from the 1st snap,he’s mobile & a bigger arm then kolbs.
"Think of the solution not the problem"
"Do you know who i think i'm not"
umm...
‘DeSean’ is great in crosses. Running a cross route opens your body for a hit and from his two seasons, he has taken them. Brent Celek, who is a rising star in TE loves to take the hit. it takes more then one guy to bring him down. Y.A.C? The reason Kolb is behind shotgun because he is built for a West Coast offense. He can do something Donovan cannot (btw, DMac was my hero so i am completely unbiased). Kolb can hit our receivers IN STRIDE which increases our Y.A.C.
Our O Line has not lost Peters. He is still there at LT. What have you been watchin?
What does Kolb have? A Good arm and accuracy. Plus he does have pocket presence. Where will our points come from? May i remind you Kolb was the first QB in NFL HISTORY to throw two 300 yard passing games in his first two starts.
Before you question our pride vs reality, shouldnt you turn to your home base first sir?
I.M.O Davis needs to be at home and not running your football team. He is dumb, old, and retarded.
"Why do you step onto the field...? I don't believe in pressure. I don't believe in what may be said on the outside. Why do I step out onto the field? To Prove That I Am The Best!"
-Donovan McNabb
OMG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMerHLpoY7U&feature=related
OMG why the fck would we draft a guy that cant take a hit? Watch the video he can take a hit obviously.
I realize you are a Raiders fan so QB play might be a little bit foreign to you. Big Arm+mobility does not equal success.
Look at Peyton he doesnt have the biggest cannon in the league and he sure as hell isnt mobile AHHH OHHH NOESSS POOOR COLTS!!!!!
And our defense got 47 turn overs last year why is it so ridiculous to think they will score points?
UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
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E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!
"fuk u i hate peas"- CNCITINFO (Random BGN troll)
I never said he didnt i just said biggest in the league
UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
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E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!
"fuk u i hate peas"- CNCITINFO (Random BGN troll)
I don't understand the point of the video.
Your trying to defend the fact he can take a hit?
by FlyEagles15 on Sep 12, 2010 2:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yes he said djax couldnt take a hit
obviously he can
UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
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E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!
"fuk u i hate peas"- CNCITINFO (Random BGN troll)
Payton has a fucking rocket arm...
he’s not mobile at all.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.
LOL!
You only wish your shitty team had a game breaker like Desean Jackson at WR. For you to smack talk about Kolb is premature, no one but the Eagles coaches know what Kolb is capable of and that might even be a stretch. Wait until KK has at least a few games under his belt this season before you start drawing conclusions. You’re entitled to your own opinion of course, but you make it sound like you have some sort of inside info that none of us Eagles fans have on Kolb, which you don’t, so again, come back after there is some actual proof to your claims.
Oh and Peters is our starting LT, he’s not lost.
Brennan Huff: I have a belly full of white dog crap in me, and now you lay this shit on me?
I seriously cannot sleep!!!!
C’mon hurry up clock!!!!
by FlyEagles15 on Sep 12, 2010 2:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Overlooked Advantages for the Packers...
On advantage the Packers have is their cohesiveness. The Packers team is pretty much the same offensively. The Eagles have had a complete overhaul in the entire roster.
While it could be an advantage in the sense that the Packers don’t have a lot of film on the current Eagles, I’m more concerned that the Pack is more of a well oiled machine.
Also, I hope the Eagles corrected their deficiencies on covering opposing tight ends. JerMichael Finley is ferocious. He might cause problems all day.
Lastly, it’s well chronicled how the 3-4 defense is tough to play against. With Kolb in his third NFL start, I wouldn’t be surprised if he struggles to figure it out. Especially, when he throws short passes and slants.
This is a terrible matchup for the Eagles to start the season.
Win and win some more...
good point Jay
I’m not so scared of their defense, that’s why I’m optimistic. Kolb vs. 3-4 is something to watch.
^Nights Of Cabiria
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Sep 11, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
overhaul?
Overhauled their entire roster offensively? I see only two changes, qb and backup running back from last year. While qb is a big change, I would hardly consider this a roster overhaul when only two players are replaced. Being an Eagles fan I figured you might be a little more knowledgeable about your own team. Stewart Bradley was a big reason why they did not do so well with tight ends last year. Bradley being back and Sims speed should help with that this year. I think this is a great matchup for the Eagles to start the season. A great team and it is at home. Will give us fans a great look at the new revamped defense against an explosive offense and our kolb led offense against a good green bay defense. Good measuring stick for the beginning of the year. Plus it is game 1. No panic if they lose this one.
by PhilsForever on Sep 11, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes overhaul...
First, I’ll start with what we agree upon. If the Eagles lose this game, I won’t panic at all. Green Bay is a tough team. Besides, it’s only the first game. If Kolb struggles, I won’t be calling for his head or any foolishness like that.
I call it an overhaul on offense because now (supposedly) we will have the “new and improved West Coast offense” the way it is “designed to be executed”. Our old QB and our new QB are diametrically different, so that means the offense will be entirely different.
Okay, maybe the players are mostly the same, but the game plans will be different on offense (supposedly).
You make some good points about Bradley and Sims. Still, JerMichael Finley is a match up nightmare for almost every team, including our Eagles.
Win and win some more...
The only way to stop Finley is to double him. He’s just too fast for linebackers and too big for corners. I kind of doubt either Bradley or Sims will be able to cover him, and that opinion has nothing to do with either players skill. I just think Finley’s that good.
by packallday555 on Sep 11, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s kinda what I sensed. I figured I’d just help you out a bit :).
by packallday555 on Sep 11, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
I think Sims has the ability and speed to cover him in one on one coverage. He may not be perfect all day, but I’m sure he has the speed.
In Kolb we trust...
I think you severely underestimate the Eagles linebacker corps and the quickness of Ernie Sims but your argument is just so compelling its hard to disagree. To say he has no chance is just ignorant, but I can’t believe that Finley will never get loose. He’s a play-maker and he’s bound to break free, I just don’t seeing him being as huge of a threat to the Eagles defense as others do.
In Kolb we trust...
You know at this point Packer fans probably know more about Simms than Eagle fans do. All I can say is that if you’re right, then I hope that’s not how the coaching staff plans to handle Finley.
Side note, while Finley is very athletic, don’t you think he’s getting an awful lot of hype? I mean, didn’t Celeck have a WAY better season than him last year? As of right now we’re more afraid of his potential than his production.
That said, I did go out and pick him in my fantasy league……so I guess I’m guilty of buying the hype as much as anyone.
Your right about the hype
It is amazing the hype Finley is getting for what he has accomplished in this league. But based on the practices I saw at training camp and preaseason he is unstoppable one on one. Just about anytime a player or coach is interviewed his name is brought up and talked about in terms of Superman. He has phenomenal recieving skills in athat huge body. I’m suprised he’s being hyped the way he is nationally but I maybe wrong but I think he’s going to put up record type tight end numbers this season.
You’re completely right about the lack of offensive overhaul for the Eagles. ONE new starter, ONE. It’s in an important position, but I wouldn’t call that an overhaul.
However I don’t remember the Eagles being all that great against TEs two years ago with Stewart Bradley in there either. I’m worried about the Eagles coverage of the TE in almost every game they play, and that’s only heightened against teams with good ones and other weapons.
Overhaul was probably the wrong word but a new Qb is always going to be a big change in most cases. We definitely went through it with Rodgers in his first few games. Seems like the coaches try and water things down a bit at the beginning to get them more comfortable. I’d have no idea if Reid will do this or not though.
by packallday555 on Sep 11, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
This game will be won or lost in the trenches…for both teams.
"If I can get you to think twice, I'm in your head."
-Brian Dawkins
"Yeah, I like to hit people"
-Brandon Graham
by immynimmy on Sep 11, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think
the team that allows the fewest will win.
^Nights Of Cabiria
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Sep 11, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Kolbs did what???
I said who has to start….????
"Think of the solution not the problem"
"Do you know who i think i'm not"

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