Nothing to worry about Kolb nor Celek

by Joe_D on Aug 30, 2010 2:42 PM EDT

Pre season is never a good indicator of how your team is going to do.

When Bradley took over the starting position, that year, the LBs looked shaky as hell in preseason. It was a huge concern and then come regular season our LB corp had a tremendous year. The cause? Probably the vanilla play calling. I remember when Sean Taylor was a rookie they told him to do some things wrong in preseason to show what would happen making a critical mistake( I believe a TD resulted).

In the Jags game I literally saw 2 maybe 3 different formations being ran from end zone to end zone. No red zone packages, nothing. So, how can you judge an offense that isn't playing any type of scheme.. They probably didnt even watch film and why would they.

Which got me thinking... We already know what Celek can bring to the table.. Why would we make him go all out in PRE SEASON? Celek was probably going 70% most of the plays -- if that. Does anyone think a 25 year old in his prime is just going to go from a 1k yard WR to a bum? I don't think so.

And Kolb will be fine. The two games he started is a much better indicator of how is going to play over pre season. Hell, we didn't even give Weaver any touches, he will definitely be a part of this offense. i don't know how many different types of packages we ran THursday but I assure you it wasn't many.

Did the Eagles even deploy any protection schemes Fri? It looked like KC was running quite a few blitzes and stunts.

Either way, we'll be OK. The only way you can do bad in pre season is if you have an injury. It is not and never will be a good indicator

to quote Bill Billichick

"I think every coach feels like that. I can't imagine that you wouldn't. Regular season and preseason are two different things. Teams start game planning against you. Then you find out a little bit more about where you're really at on some things. Preseason, you're running your plays. They're running their plays. Sometimes they match up. Sometimes they don't. You're playing a lot of people. There are a lot of different matchups.

"It's hard to get a read on it. Once you get to the regular season, nobody holds back. You get their best game plan. You get your toughest matchups. You try to create [tough matchups] for them. Your weaknesses get exposed. You try to get to your strengths, but they don't let you get to them as easily. And you're doing the same.

"It's a whole different game. Until that happens, I don't think you are really sure where exactly everything is. It's different in the regular season."

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Detroit was 4-0 in the preseason before they went 16-0

nuff said

"World Champions...World F***in Champions" -Chase Utley

by Kevin_S on Aug 30, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions

yea, i loved the undefeated season by Detroit!

If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
-Ricky Bobby

by GreenInBaltimore on Aug 30, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah it was the most amazing thing I have ever seen

Don’t know why they weren’t allowed to play in the playoffs though….

Let's get it Birds.

by homestar2281 on Aug 30, 2010 4:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

The NFL had dyslexia...

by justyn725 on Aug 30, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions

dammit

Detroit was 4-0 in the preseason before they went 0-16

"World Champions...World F***in Champions" -Chase Utley

by Kevin_S on Aug 30, 2010 4:17 PM EDT reply actions

i liked the first one better
nuff said

If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
-Ricky Bobby

by GreenInBaltimore on Aug 30, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions

haha

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by Igglesfan13 on Sep 1, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions

nice

by FlyEagles15 on Sep 1, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions

The preseason

is ok as a fan if you’re looking to see what new guys can play in the NFL and what old guys can’t anymore. Example is when you saw Celek in his first NFL camp, when he was just a 5th round kid no one had heard of. I remember seeing him in preseason and thinking “Wow! That kid can really catch for a tight end! Wish he was our starter.” Well, obviously the coaches thought the same thing. I’m thinking that Cooper might be that this year, and in 2 to 3 years he’ll be a regular, who knows? Maybe he’ll be bigger than DJax and Maclin before it’s all done.

On the other side, you could see that Jeremy Bloom was just not going to make it his first preseason (2nd season overall, I believe). He just wasn’t tough enough and it was obvious from preseason that was true.

But I certainly agree with you that judging team performance is foolish. You don’t know what the coaches are working on, and even if you did you wouldn’t know what the opposing coaches wanted to work on, and no one cares about winning the preseason anyway. Let’s go real football!

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant

by NJBammer on Aug 30, 2010 4:25 PM EDT reply actions

Yeah preseason means nothing

But line play is line play, beat the man infront of you, and our o-line had looked so bad. Yeah we can use protection packages but that would mean using our skill players(celek, McCoy, weaver) for blocking instead of going out and making plays.

Let's get it Birds.

by homestar2281 on Aug 30, 2010 4:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

i doubt weaver minds blocking… he’s very capable

by PHIGHTINPHILS on Aug 30, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm sure he doesn't

but if he is blocking he can’t be out creating mismatches in the passing game

Let's get it Birds.

by homestar2281 on Aug 31, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions

Just like to point out, people are panicking over Celek because he only had 4 catches this preseason. How many catches did he had last year in preseason? 4. We all know what he did in regular season.

RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.

by Imp on Aug 30, 2010 6:03 PM EDT reply actions

That was with a different QB though

Im not panicking, but there is a flaw in your reasoning

by Desean Da Man on Aug 30, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions

What, we’re no longer going to use Celek now with Kolb under center?

I put a dollar in a change machine. Nothing changed.

by alcatraz0109 on Aug 30, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions

What?

Last year’s preseason McNabb was QB, this year Kolb is QB.

by Desean Da Man on Aug 30, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions

What are you worried about? Were you expecting Kolb/Celek to be superhuman this preseason?

I put a dollar in a change machine. Nothing changed.

by alcatraz0109 on Aug 30, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Right

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Aug 30, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions

I said i wasn't worrying if you read my other comment

by Desean Da Man on Aug 30, 2010 8:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Okay, then why does it matter if it’s a different QB? We’re not changing Celek’s role.

I put a dollar in a change machine. Nothing changed.

by alcatraz0109 on Aug 30, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Well

Kolb and Mcnabb have different mind sets when it comes to playing Quaterback. Celek might not get the same amount of ball thrown his way with Mcnabb compared to Kolb, for example. It doesn’t matter because I have enough confidence in Celek to draft him in everyone of my fantasy FB leagues.

by Desean Da Man on Aug 30, 2010 9:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Celek had two HUGE 100+ yard days with kolb

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Aug 31, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions

I think you guys are misunderstanding me here

I know Celek had 8 catches and 104 yards in each games w/ Kolb. I was just giving an example. If it helps you can replace the names in the example….

by Desean Da Man on Aug 31, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions

He had 50 yards in 2009 and he currently has 51 so far this preseason.

Now is the time to panic.

by Greg M on Aug 30, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.

by no1pipelayer on Aug 30, 2010 7:15 PM EDT reply actions

by macjack09 on Aug 30, 2010 7:34 PM EDT reply actions

I'm not "worried" about Kolb or Celek...

I’m worried about Andy Reid and I’m worried about the offensive line.

This year, it’s all about Andy Reid. If the team succeeds, he deserves the majority of the credit. If they flop, he’s going to be the reason.

Kolb looks legit; I don’t worry about his stats. Celek is a stud. He’s been ballin’ since the game agaisnt the Seahawks in late ’08.

Now it’s up to Reid to author a gameplan. We need to cross our collective fingers…

Win and win some more...

by JayDuce on Aug 30, 2010 8:39 PM EDT reply actions

I agreed with you all the way to that last sentence.

You don’t have enough fingers you could cross to save this season as far as wins. You must understand this is one of those down years. I can’t see us better than 6-10. It is a rebuilding year. Not just a rebuilding off season.

I'm on board with the Eagles rebuilding plan.
I don't expect a winning season.
I don't expect a playoff appearance.
I do expect to see the best players emerge and improve week by week.
I do expect that this team at the end of the year shows that it can knock out teams trying to make the playoffs.
WE ARE REBUILDING

by Lombardi and Broad on Aug 30, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions

I really don’t see how you can definitively say we’re “rebuilding” and set for a down year. Yes, we traded McNabb, and yes, we have a first year starter. However, he’s been in the league a few years, and it’s not going to surprise many people if he plays well. Other than that, we lost Westbrook, who played minimally last year, and Sheldon Brown, who could be a significant loss.

One reason this team might not play very well this year has nothing to do with anyone that was released/traded, and has nothing to do with a supposed “rebuilding” process. The OL is pretty weak as it stands, and could easily derail the season.

Could this team go 6-10? Sure…it’s possible. However, it’s also possible this team goes 10-6.

by eagleyosh on Aug 30, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions

play it safe

and bet .500
8-8 +/- 1 is what you should expect. anything worse is a disappointment and anything better is a bonus. but yea – can we get thru the preseason already?

by PHIGHTINPHILS on Aug 30, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions

One thing for sure.

We will find out coming up in less than 2 weeks what we have. I’m excited for that reason only. The FO agrees with you.

by Lombardi and Broad on Aug 31, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions

Crossing our fingers...

We are on the same page. I was being a little sarcastic with the “crossing our fingers” line. I think the team will be 7-9. I’m hoping this year shows the Eagles’ brass that Reid is not an elite coach. He’s done a very good job over the last 11 years giving the Eagles an identity. I think most of his personnel moves have worked out. I just don’t know if he’s detailed enough to be considered an elite coach.

The talent is there, but not the coaching.

Win and win some more...

by JayDuce on Aug 30, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Good gm

by Desean Da Man on Aug 30, 2010 10:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

I got killed by suggesting Gruden the other day but I think as someone

else suggested that Andy as a GM and Gruden as coach might work. Gruden groomed the Raiders who went to the Super Bowl right after he left and he brought the heat on a veteran Tampa team that was not playing to its fullest capabilities under Dungy. Dungy went to a Colt team that had too much pressure on it’s shoulders and proved to be a settling force to enable them to succeed. Some times good coaches are not the best fit to move the team to the next level. I think we are seeing this with Andy. I think this young bunch is going to cause some havoc in the years to come. But I think you need someone who is able to make change and adjustments on the fly. I saw Gruden doing that when he was with Ray Rhoads. That’s his strength. It happens to be Andy’s weakness.

by Lombardi and Broad on Aug 31, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions

Adjustments = Our biggest weakness

I totally agree that our biggest weakness seems to be our inability to adapt our plans, matchups and play selection based on what the other team is throwing at us (See the excellent quote from Belichick in the original post). Andy seems to be a very patient guy, intent on seeing through what he has designed until it works. That is a fantastic profile to get a team in a position to compete every week. It is not enough, and may be a drawback when playing the very best teams with the very best coaches. If they can respond faster and exploit whatever weakness there is in the game plan we come in with (and there always will be some – every scheme creates advantage in some areas by risking weakness in others) – and we fail to respond to counter their adjustments – then we will consistently get beat in the 2nd and 3rd quarter by elite teams (a pattern I’d love to see some JimmyK stats on). If another team finds a big gap in our armor in Q2, we may need to completely throw out the game plan and do something radically different in the very next series in order to counter that. Instead, it seems our coaches just say “go back in there and execute the same thing harder and quicker and maybe they won’t get us the next time”. They take halftime to make some adjustments – but of course the opposing team expects them to do that, so they have also adjusted again anticipating the obvious counter-moves.

So I agree with L&B that we need better/faster adjustments. But I would hate to think that we would have to go to such a caustic, egotistical guy like Gruden to get that capability. If that were the only place to get it, I am not sure it would be worth the price given all the personnel/team spirit disruption he would inevitably cause. Thats why he was a perfect fit for the Raiders – a bunch of last-chance loner individualists. Would be a disaster here on a young team that draws on its enthusiasm and camaraderie as a core strength.

by PrincetonGreen on Aug 31, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions

Jimmy Johnson? Mike Shanahan is gone.

Actually Jimmy Johnson would probably love to stick it to Jerry Jones Philly style. I get you concerning Gruden. That attitude is his weakness at times.

by Lombardi and Broad on Aug 31, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions

is 5 championshipo games and 1 SB appeaerance not detailed enough

that’s crazy talk

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Aug 31, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Seriosly

only 10 possible teams could have won the Super Bowl during AR tenure in Philly. To call him unsuccessful for not being in the 7 teams that did win one is being ridiculous.

by Desean Da Man on Aug 31, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Great! THE EAGLES, KING OF #2

We OWN THE HELL OUT OF #2!! You better not mess with our #3 and 4’s either! We earned that crap with ANDY REID CONSISTENT PLAY!

Are you people off your rockers on this board? I want a damn championship! There ain;t nothing you can say to justify this coaches inability to close the deal.

by Lombardi and Broad on Sep 1, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions

so do we

do you know how manyh times it took the legendary Cowher? 15 years. Stay loyal, stay patient..

DeSean Da Man actually brought up a great point… in Reid’s tenure only 10 possible teams of the 32 could’ve won it all

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Sep 1, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions

As I said before, that's one Cowher to an Andy Reid, a Bud Grant,

a George Allen, a Marty Schottenheimer, a Jeff Fisher, a Marv Levy, a John Robinson. Cowher is the only one that was headed for the crown of, “Mr. Can’t Close the Deal” and actually turned the corner and quit! Right now, there is no one wearing that crown finer than our beloved Coach Reid.

I want a championship!

by Lombardi and Broad on Sep 1, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Same argument I used in the other post

Trent Dilfer has a ring. You might want to go tell the packers Rodgers aint gunna cut it. Trent is a damn champion.

UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

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E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!

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by Udalango on Sep 1, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Let me make it clear to you. I would prefer any of the Super Bowl teams

records and their SUPER BOWL RING (Except the cheatin Patriots!) over the same timeframe of Andy’s so called NFC dominance and ZERO, NOTTA, ZILCH, GOOSE FRIGGIN EGG!

And I say! GO EAGLES! I want a damn championship!

I want a championship!

by Lombardi and Broad on Sep 1, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions

You arent arguing

for the team and records though you are just arguing coachs dont try to change the argument i was just using an example to show you your view is flawed. Just because a coach wins the Super Bowl doesnt mean he is automatically better than Reid.

UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

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E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!

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by Udalango on Sep 1, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Ok, I'll be flawed for requiring Reid to win a championship.

Deal?

I want a championship!

by Lombardi and Broad on Sep 1, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Also, I'd take those coaches over Reid too.

Is that apples to apples for ya?

I want a championship!

by Lombardi and Broad on Sep 2, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, it’s just idiotic to say we should get rid of Reid. Who exactly would you like to replace him?

Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"

by Ed Van Chimp on Sep 2, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions

And spare me the Jon Gruden talk the guy ran the Bucs into the ground and if Andy still wants to coach I’d take him over Gruden any day.

Formerly... "You don't have to be sweet, to be good"

by Ed Van Chimp on Sep 2, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions

We just have to agree to disagree. I want a champion.

The Bucs got old. Can’t blame the coach for players getting old. Broken record: Andy is a winner, not a champion. I want a champion. Andy has a short leash left with me. Either produce a champion or get out. The City made Donovan walk the plank. Andy is next. Joe Banner and his “awesome” capology can go too. I’ll give the young kid a break. Let’s see what his first big draft amounts to.

I want a championship!

by Lombardi and Broad on Sep 3, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions