BREAKING: Eagles Trade Charles Scott to Arizona
by Bob_Q on Aug 30, 2010 12:52 PM EDT
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PrintLooks like rookie Charles Scott's time in Philadelphia was even shorter than previously expected. Per ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Eagles have just completed a trade with the Arizona Cardinals that will send Scott to Arizona in exchange for rookie cornerback Jorrick Calvin.
Calvin, a sixth round pick out of Troy, figures to compete for a spot on the practice squad. It's hard to imagine him beating out reserve cornerbacks Joselio Hanson, Trevard Lindley, and Dimitri Patterson at this stage in the preseason. The 5'11" 184 lb rookie has shown skill on special teams and zone coverage, with the added bonus of being able to return kicks. Still, with the PR and KR slots already locked up by DeSean Jackson and Ellis Hobbs, Calvin won't have the opportunity to play more than a reserve role. For more on our newest Eagle, check out his post-draft analysis from our friends at Revenge of the Birds.
Scott, a fan favorite coming into camp, quickly fell down the depth chart due to an abysmal performance in training camp and was eventually designated as the backup to Leonard Weaver at fullback. While Scott had the potential to be a bruising runner, he just could not catch the football - something Andy Reid values highly in a running back. Now, with Scott on his way to Arizona, Eldra Buckley has all but locked up the third RB position (barring a miraculous breakout performance from J.J. Arrington) and CFL rookie of the year Martell Mallett now has a good chance of making the practice squad.
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Anybody know
Anything about our new guy?
by HankM on Aug 30, 2010 12:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If I were you I wouldn't get to know him too well
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Aug 30, 2010 12:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually
According to the cardinals final roster projections over at revenge of the birds he was projected to make the roster as a 5th corner and be their punt returner so maybe we want him in as our punt returner
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Aug 30, 2010 1:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Desean Jackson is our PR! You don’t remove the best in the league from that unless he is a RB, since they take a lot of hits.
I know this
Some have been wondering if we take him off to preserve his health
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Aug 30, 2010 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't know if I'd go as far as "great"
but I definitely like the new trend of getting something for a guy they’d otherwise let go for nothing.
Secretary of State for BGN aka "Most diplomatic man on this site," as appointed by Talon Talent
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Non catching fullback
It was obvious that he wasn’t making the team. Wonder if they worked in a deal like they did with the broncos if he doesn’t make the team
by hoya03 on Aug 30, 2010 12:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
probably not
This Calvin guy probably isnt all that important if they were willing to trade him for Scott. Who knows though, he could be the next Asante Samuel!
I'M GONNA TRIP BALLS!!! -Frank Reynolds
Jibta round 2?
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Aug 30, 2010 1:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No
It’s the first name
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Aug 30, 2010 1:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Scott didn't have a Chance
Unfortunately Scott didn’t have a chance. I understand Reid likes a running back that can catch out of the backfield, but that is what McCoy, and Weaver do. I didn’t see much of Scott in the preseason games, but when I did see him, they were always throwing the ball to him. I say let the boy do what he does best. Run the ball…. You don’t have to always catch the ball to be a good running back. Sometimes just hitting the hole hard is better. IMO
by Eagles_DevilDawg on Aug 30, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
They gave him the ball a lot early in camp, but he didn’t even remotely effective. He got his shot – I think they already knew what they had there, so why waste the preseason reps?
That I didn’t know. However, the point I am making is, when you have a fast, yet powerful RB (not McKoy), it shouldn’t always be a requirement to throw the ball to that guy, I understand having a multi-dimensional RB, but some of the best hard hitting RB don’t catch out of the backfield, they just run guys over. I wish we had someone that can run guys over. In other words punish the D-line, line backers, and secondary with running. I think that makes life easier, for McKoy, Kolb, and the WR corps
by Eagles_DevilDawg on Aug 30, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Everything I read at the beginning of camp was fairly positive UNTIL ...
…suddenly the Coaches decided that they weren’t going to let him have hand-offs until he improved as a receiver (and he started to get stressed and overwhelmed). Then Coach Genius decided that having him learn a second position halfway through camp was the best use of his skillset. That and it dawned on him that perhaps he shouldn’t have the highest-paid FB in league taking so many snaps during pre-season games.
That’s how Charles Scott went from…
10:05 – First look at Charles Scott with the pads on, and he looks like a really hard runner. Drags a couple Eagle defenders for 3 extra yards on a 5 yard gain.
And again…
9:16 – Charles Scott with a hard run. Keenan Clayton on the tackle. I continue to see this guy everywhere.
9:17 – Charles Scott again. This kid is a load. I’m really looking forward to watching Scott in the preseason. Take this to the bank – The Eagles are going to give him a ton of preseason carries.
Hey! There’s more!
Charles Scott – He a load. I’m pulling for him. I’ve read reports that he has hands of stone. Unfortunately, I didn’t see him get too many opportunities to catch passes in live action, but that’s the word, and Andy doesn’t like to keep backs that don’t contribute in the passing game. However, on the limited number of carries I’ve seen him get, he drags defenders. He’s going to get a ton of work in the second half of preseason games, and if he runs with the power he showed this weekend, he’ll find himself on this roster.
Fickle coaches wrote him off early and now he’s labeled “garbage” by a whole bunch of people that have never even seen him play his natural position…
Maybe this new CB will show some real promise… so he can get thrown into game at Safety. Lulz.
It's an ankle bracelet, not a halo....
Hey, I recognize those! That was from the 2nd day of training camp, I believe. He looked good. But something happens after the first 3-4 days at camp, when your body hurts, you’re tired, and the hits start to accumulate – You see the guys that begin to separate from the crowd, and the ones that regress. Scott regressed. The hard runs were no longer there, he was going to the ground far too easily, and I would soon see with my own eyes that he was basically no threat whatsoever in the passing game.
Eventually they moved him to FB, but he got enough carries in practice at his natural position for the coaches to get a really good idea of what he was.
I wasn't there... and since you were - I'll take your word on it this time.
But I would have been willing to bet my entire paycheck against all comers that if Charles Scott was told he would get 2 series in 3rd Quarter of ANY of these pre-season games to either prove his worth at RB or pack his bags…. He would have responded.
That last dropped pass against KC – I was reading his body language as “C’mon… REALLY? I’m going from blocking blocking blocking… and now you’re going to send me out into the flat to get whatever I can get — would it be so hard to maybe meet me halfway and pitch it to me…?”
I’ve been seeing fan reactions saying he looked scared… To me – he just looked like “Screw this… I hate this place… and I’m not going to add injury to insult and get clocked for this penny ante BS.” I know I would’ve been frustrated with the situation…
Maybe he has what it takes… Maybe he doesn’t. But I think at some point about midway through the season – this team will suffer from anemic rushing yardage and this coaching regime is going to be in the spotlight for poorly managing their ground game personnel in general.
It's an ankle bracelet, not a halo....
by yurintroubl on Aug 31, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
this team will suffer from anemic rushing yardage and this coaching regime is going to be in the spotlight for poorly managing their ground game personnel in general.
I can absolutely see this happening. Our ground game is a huge question mark right now.
Loooooook here brotha'.....who you jivein' with that Cosmic Debris!!!???
Haha classic
Let's get it Birds.
by homestar2281 on Aug 30, 2010 1:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They should have thrown in a 2050 7th rounder to make the points even.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Howie probably asked for it
But the Cards wanted a 2055 6th rounder in exchange.
Who's Been Eatin' Hummus?
She passed wind, excused herself, and sponged off in the corner as I sat dazed and confused...
by rajav on Aug 30, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Lets rewind the trusty dt3 quote machine back to April 25, 2010…
Charles Scott = too little, too late. Even with how desperate we are for help in the backfield there is no way he makes the team
Cornerback is going to be the biggest hole on this team
you’re welcome
VOID!!!
oh and almost forgot the all time classic
What the hell are we doing drafting Kolb’s backup plan when Akwasi Owusu-Ansah is still on the board?!?!??
VOID!!!
Okay, so do you want a gold star or smiley-face sticker? I don’t get what you’re trying to say.
I put a dollar in a change machine. Nothing changed.
by alcatraz0109 on Aug 30, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If Beanie Wells
was awful.. yes.
by Bono Hit My Car on Aug 30, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thats like me asking:
isnt Kevin kolb just a whiter version of McNabb???
The laws of alchemy dont justify murder........but the laws of murder justify being a cowboys fan :P
If Beanie was slower
He’d probably be awful.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Sep 1, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Some info on Calvin...
Calvin missed his entire 2009 college season when he was declared academically ineligible. He had experienced deaths in his family at the time and had to attend. He stated that he “missed an assignment and couldn’t make that assignment up”, and that “It was all my fault.”. It was an unfortunate situation that caused Calvin’s draft stock to certainly slip.
In 2008 he started and racked up 76 tackles, 2 interceptions, and 9 passes defensed. Sports Illustrated scouted Calvin with the following report:
Positives: Athletic cornerback with good size yet relatively unknown this year. Displays skill in man coverage, quickly locates the ball, and effectively positions himself against receivers to defend the pass. Displays a burst of speed and is physical in his all-around game. Quick up the field to defend the run and very aggressive.
Negatives: Must improve his overall fundamentals. Has not played against top competition much the past five years.
Analysis: Coming into the year, Calvin was a highly rated prospect scouts were excited to see yet situations with the NCAA left him on the sidelines all season. He possesses the necessary skills to be used in nickel or dime packages at the next level, but he will need time to get his feet back underneath him in camp this summer.
Luckily the Cardinals aren’t set with their roster and rookies are given every chance to earn playing time under head coach Ken Whisenhunt. Calvin is very raw, but does have the tools so soak up the knowledge he’ll learn under defensive backs coach Donnie Henderson. But how likely is Calvin to work up the totem pole at defensive back?
Cmon Scott lovers..where are youi
calling every 240 lb player a great power back is like calling every short white WR Wes Welker
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
^ what he said.
He never fumbled in college. Great pedigree. Obviously, we’ve seen many, many times where this amounts to bumpkis in the NFL world. I was hoping this would be different. Fears about Bell’s health are an unfortunate reality up to this point. And like I said before, The Weave can’t block for himself.
by Eagle Fly Free on Aug 30, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Neither can a plethora of running backs
But there is a thing called O-lines that can block. Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson don’t block for themselves either, so I’m still unsure of where you are going with that.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
My pipe dream
was that Andy Reid would maybe, just maybe, work in a power set with a big back, Weaver, and “big” group (an extra OL, maybe) to smash for a first down. How many times did we see Westbrook running a stretch out of the singleback on short yardage?
Like I said, a pipe dream. I doubt I’m the only one.
by Eagle Fly Free on Aug 30, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope, not once
Unless his ESPN page is lying.
I put a dollar in a change machine. Nothing changed.
by alcatraz0109 on Aug 30, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, it’s lying. Look any any running back in college on ESPN. It’ll say 0 fumbles. I’ve fallen for that in the past.
I juh buh fuh gah…
I put a dollar in a change machine. Nothing changed.
by alcatraz0109 on Aug 30, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I once posted that LeSean McCoy had no fumbles in college, and a few days later I realized how ridiculous that sounded, checked some other backs… and sure enough! Stupid ESPN.
Just one more reason not to pay attention to those guys.
Boo.
by Eagle Fly Free on Aug 30, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Earl Campbell.
The only man in the history of the NFL who could block for himself. Look at his fucking legs. His thighs were his fullbacks.
"Up yours, asshole!"--EvilBanner to effeminate yachtsman Boston Jeff Lurie
Maybe the Eagles aren't so deep at CB?
Joselio Hanson has apparently dropped so far that he’s behind Patterson and possibly Lindley at this point. Sure, they moved Macho Harris from corner, but maybe it’s because he can’t actually play there at the NFL level?
Don’t get me wrong — this guy is probably going to start out on the practice squad because he doesn’t know the playbook yet. But maybe Reid is looking for someone to push Hanson as the season goes on.
They have mined
Rod Hood and Hanson himself from the depths of the unwanted CBs, so maybe that bodes well for Calvin. Or maybe it has no relation whatsoever.
Secretary of State for BGN aka "Most diplomatic man on this site," as appointed by Talon Talent
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
OK, I guess I have to be the first to say it...
Calvin and Hobbs?
by JimmyK on Aug 30, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
All right. Egg on my face
I admit I was 100% wrong to have talked up Scott.
Now, please, let’s stop drafting the same guy over and over again and then realizing he doesn’t fit our offense. Reid, let’s stay away from the Hunts and Scotts of the world and stay on the Bucks and McCoys
Fair criticism
If they don’t fit, we should probably notice that in advance.
Related … how bad was Tony Hunt to never even get another shot in the NFL after being a 3rd rounder?
Secretary of State for BGN aka "Most diplomatic man on this site," as appointed by Talon Talent
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Extremely bad.
I think he’s a greeter at Costco now.
"Up yours, asshole!"--EvilBanner to effeminate yachtsman Boston Jeff Lurie
He is.
I saw him working at a Costco in Philly, but he eventually got fired because everyone would tell him to fuck off when he would greet them.
DAT ASS!!
That was almost gonna be my exact post
Never fall in love with a 6th rounder til after he makes the team.
Secretary of State for BGN aka "Most diplomatic man on this site," as appointed by Talon Talent
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I definitely loved the pick when it happened.
I watched him some at LSU (they are on TV a lot down here in NOLA) and thought he had a shot. He’ll probably stick with someone, but he certainly didn’t impress here. My other sleeper guy was Chaney, we’ll see if I was wrong about him too soon enough (at least as far as making the team goes).
Does it really matter?
If the Cards were willing to trade him for Charles Scott, he must not be very good.
Could he be a finalist for the Andy Studebaker “We hardly knew ye” award?
"Let's take this thing from the beginning. Let's go out and make some plays! Special teams, defense, big hits, turnovers, whatever it takes to win this thing!"
-Brian Dawkins
by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Aug 30, 2010 5:29 PM EDT reply actions
Analysis from NFL.com about Calvin
Pick Analysis: The Cardinals bring in another athletic defender to compete for time as a backup corner. Jorrick Calvin has solid overall skills, and will fight for a roster spot as a sub-defender/special teams player.
More analysis from NFLdraftgeek.com
Jorrick Calvin is a very interesting prospect, only playing 1 year at Troy after transferring over before his Junior season, and then being ruled academically ineligible as a Senior. There is little doubt about his talent though, he played very well in his Junior season, recording 2 interceptions and displaying top notch athleticism, runs a 4.4 40, and has the potential to develop into a very good player. He could easily be out of the league in a short time, but if he gets coached up, the Cardinals could have themselves a real player in a couple years.
by phillyhoosfan on Aug 30, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I think:
1 (off topic, but related to the poster) UVA is going to lose to Richmond saturday, and that sucks
AND
2 (on topic) That trading for a guy who was academically ineligible his senior year is a bit of a departure from their draft where they took a bunch of character guys and team captains. Not knowing anything about the circumstances, at face value this seems pretty uncharacteristic of this FO.
Nope.
by bigmeanie08 on Aug 30, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If we win 5 games this year it’ll be a successful season.
by phillyhoosfan on Aug 31, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
As far as the Richmond game goes,
here’s hoping for that loss!
Sorry, but we gotta get on that road back to an FCS championship…and you have our old coach. Gotta pay the tax for that purchase.
Do NOT buy a Jorrick Calvin jersey.
That is all.
Although, big props to JimmyK
That is a kickass name for a cornerback tandem…and a heartfelt comic strip.
"Up yours, asshole!"--EvilBanner to effeminate yachtsman Boston Jeff Lurie
Bar none my favorite comic strip growing up
I think I still have a few of the collection books lying around somewhere…
I think it's one of the most overrated of all time
But everyone likes it so I’m obviously wrong.
I was more of a Far Side kid myself.
Secretary of State for BGN aka "Most diplomatic man on this site," as appointed by Talon Talent
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Hey, don't get me wrong
The Far Side was a close second. They were really the only two comics worth reading back then.
Also an opportunity to share one of the funnier pics I've ever seen
I put a dollar in a change machine. Nothing changed.
by alcatraz0109 on Aug 31, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
if they liked him on draft day then why not take him instead of Scott?
Charles Scott wasn’t making it here, neither will this corner. It just saves face if they cut a draft pick
Obviously something changed
between draft day and now. Drafting is not quite the exact science you apparently think it is.
Secretary of State for BGN aka "Most diplomatic man on this site," as appointed by Talon Talent
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
It's the rookie pay thing
saves both teams money when they cut them.
Although I think Calvin might be a depth player.
Nope.
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